is 406 RAW out?
Does it looks like it's out yet? Right now Oda is ill and he may not release it next week so can't you just wait and see instend of asking over and over again?
is 406 RAW out?
Does it looks like it's out yet? Right now Oda is ill and he may not release it next week so can't you just wait and see instend of asking over and over again?
joekido, please be nice to other forum members. It's clear that he just joined the forum recently, it is his FIRST POST, and blah blah and blah.
You've been acting too… bossy lately. Leave that job to e1n with his umbrella.
that's what you get when you paint him red :laugh:
yeah yeah purple but that doesn't ryhme.
OK Joekido Thanks for your very very nice answer. It´s the first time I post than oceanizer say so quiet and Thx for the information
joekido, please be nice to other forum members. It's clear that he just joined the forum recently, it is his FIRST POST, and blah blah and blah.
You've been acting too… bossy lately. Leave that job to e1n with his umbrella.
Shoot, I thought I was being carefully nice >_>. Yeah I've been bossy a lot outside this fourms due to a prideful habit I develop as a kid, sorry.
I'll try to be more soft and human from now on.
I think I've mention it in this post or is it another but I'll mention it again. I don't think there can be a glass Logia. Glass Paracemium, yes, Logia, no.
Why not? Oda's definition of elements seem rather loose. We've seen smoke and sand logia, so I don't see why there couldn't be a glass Logia. It'd be a pretty awesome fruit actually.
So uh, is there an OP 406 this week or something ^^;
Why not? Oda's definition of elements seem rather loose. We've seen smoke and sand logia, so I don't see why there couldn't be a glass Logia. It'd be a pretty awesome fruit actually.
True that ice, lighting and sand are not the classic elements earth, fire, wind and water however they have this elemental touch because either they are natural forces (lighting) or because landscapes are covered respectively made of it. Think of deserts (sand) and the Poles (ice).
Glass however doesn´t fall under that category. True, sand can become glass if you heat it up, that´s a fact. But glass just doesn´t have this natural touch that you think of untouched natural elements, while ice, sand and lighting have it. Just as wood, rock, magma, moss, light and darnkess could count as elements too. They are not the classic elements but they have this natural touch just as Aokiji´s, Enel´s and Crocodile´s abilities.
I don´t see the deal with glass any different then Mr. 3´s powers. Wax also isn´t something that you think of as an element that covers landscapes or is a force of nature. That´s why it is a paramecia which resembless logias. If Calipha truly has the Glass fruit (which still remains to be seen) then I think it will this kind of fruit.
I see your point, but you can still find glass in nature. Sure it's not as common as wood, earth or sand but glass is still found in large quantities around some volcanoes, where it has a dark color and is called obsidian. It's created when lava gets in contact with water.
It's still an element created by nature under extreme circumstances, not too different from lava or even ice for that matter. So a glass Logia would still have that elemental feeling to me, at least not less than a smoke or a magma one.
Yeah you´re right about that. What was talking about is just the image certain elements have in general. Even though glass does can be found in nature generaly it overall doesn´t have this image. It is generally gets considered as some product of manufacturing processes by humans.
That´s where I personally interpret the line is drawn between logias and paramecias like the Wax Fruit. Hope I got that arcoss somehow. :unsure:
I don't see glass as being a logical extension of Sanji being shiny. Glass is a hard substance and Sanji is shown in different poses, so clearly he can still move, and if he was covered in glass then the casing would shatter. Oda is very perplexing with this one. In that first image of Sanji where Chopper says that he's shiny, Sanji almost looks like a confectionary – like a candied fruit. A sugary coating would be more fitting for our pirate chef, n'est pas?
That´s where I personally interpret the line is drawn between logias and paramecias like the Wax Fruit. Hope I got that arcoss somehow.
Sure, that's a worthy point of view.
I don't see glass as being a logical extension of Sanji being shiny. Glass is a hard substance and Sanji is shown in different poses, so clearly he can still move, and if he was covered in glass then the casing would shatter. Oda is very perplexing with this one. In that first image of Sanji where Chopper says that he's shiny, Sanji almost looks like a confectionary – like a candied fruit. A sugary coating would be more fitting for our pirate chef, n'est pas?
Actually the first time I saw Sanji in that state it reminded me when one of the Foxy crew member gives Chopper a candy apple before the Davy Back fight begins. It'd be funny if Calipha indeed had a sugar fruit. Though it still wouldn't explain why the hell Sanji's all misshapen.
I don't see glass as being a logical extension of Sanji being shiny. Glass is a hard substance and Sanji is shown in different poses, so clearly he can still move, and if he was covered in glass then the casing would shatter. Oda is very perplexing with this one. In that first image of Sanji where Chopper says that he's shiny, Sanji almost looks like a confectionary – like a candied fruit. A sugary coating would be more fitting for our pirate chef, n'est pas?
Yep, you´re right. There´s too much properties that wouldn´t fit with glass. Just looking like a glass doll doesn´t mean that Sanji has to be one. I don´t know who it said a while ago but Sanji beeing laminated (sp?) is another possibility.
The thing with this darn fruit is that no matter what we think it is it will be probably something else nobody might have thought of but in the end it will be so obvious. :laugh:
That said, I´d like to add the possiblity about a different approach to her ability. We look to much at it to be similar to Mr. 3´s fruit. Meaning if we interpret him as being covered in glass then it is a glass fruit. Or if we interpret it as plastik then it is a plastik fruit. Just like because Mr. 3 ate the wax fruit and can cover people in wax.
However what if we look at it as being similar to Hina´s fruit. If we would have seen the effect of her ability first without seeing it in action then we would probably would have interpreted as iron logia or something like that just because all we would have seen so far would be a guy covered in iron. But in the end she doesn´t ate an iron logia but a cage paramecia. What if Calipha´s fruit works like that too?
Sorry if this was mentioned before but I didn´t see it so far.
Yup, I said it myself a few pages ago, or something very similar.
Anyway, as to which elements can be considered Logiable and which can't, I'd like to see light and darkness out of the list. First, because neither has a physical shape (even lightning has a discernible shape, light just fills everything, not only the cone under a lamp) and transformations would look very weird (would a light Logia just become a hologram or explode in flashes?)and second because it's the kind of over-powered Mary Sue DF that fanboys like to use in their fics. ;P I hope Oda never uses those in OP. (Although the over-poweredness is arguable, I still think you can trap a light Logia in a box of mirrors).
That said, I'd like to see a shadow (not darkness, mind) Paramecia. His shadow would become huge and attack other people's, causing real damage, but he wouldn't be able to become shadow, I mean, they're two dimensional and need to be lying on a surface, darkness is not a black blob of goo, you know.
@Monkey:
Yup, I said it myself a few pages ago, or something very similar.
Anyway, as to which elements can be considered Logiable and which can't, I'd like to see light and darkness out of the list. First, because neither has a physical shape (even lightning has a discernible shape, light just fills everything, not only the cone under a lamp) and transformations would look very weird (would a light Logia just become a hologram or explode in flashes?)and second because it's the kind of over-powered Mary Sue DF that fanboys like to use in their fics. ;P I hope Oda never uses those in OP. (Although the over-poweredness is arguable, I still think you can trap a light Logia in a box of mirrors).
That said, I'd like to see a shadow (not darkness, mind) Paramecia. His shadow would become huge and attack other people's, causing real damage, but he wouldn't be able to become shadow, I mean, they're two dimensional and need to be lying on a surface, darkness is not a black blob of goo, you know.
Light has a shape. Light, like water, conforms roughly to the shape if it's container. Also, light acts like a wave but is made of particles, and each of those particles has it's own shape. So yes, light does have a solid shape. Darkness, on the other hand, is merely the absence of light. So I'm with you on "no darkness logia."
Are you sure photons truly have a shape? We're talking subatomic particles here, where things aren't anywhere, you just have a probability chart of where they might be. ;P Remember that you can send an electron through a double slot and it will interfere with itself, meaning it has gone through both slots at the same time. And electrons are something we should be able to trust to be at the same place (seeing how the structure of matter in our universe depends on them, and all). Damn them.
And, as you said, light is a wave, it propagates in all directions at the same time, water doesn't. Both will take the shape of their container, but our Logia user won't spend his time inside one will he? What I mean to say is that, whereas you can truly imagine a body of water twirling around mockingly while you try to hit it, if a person turns into light, they'll just spread all over the place without control. It could be used as a means of teleportation, though, since the user should be able to choose where he reappears.
But that's enough shonen science, right? >_<
@Monkey:
Are you sure photons truly have a shape? We're talking subatomic particles here, where things aren't anywhere, you just have a probability chart of where they might be. ;P Remember that you can send an electron through a double slot and it will interfere with itself, meaning it has gone through both slots at the same time. And electrons are something we should be able to trust to be at the same place (seeing how the structure of matter in our universe depends on them, and all). Damn them.
Off-Topic: That is one of my favorite mysteries of the universe.
On-Topic: I think a light or darkness logia would be almost too powerful and I can't even imagine a really good way to portray those powers, but if Oda does it, I'm sure it'll be cool.
Off-Topic: That is one of my favorite mysteries of the universe.
On-Topic: I think a light or darkness logia would be almost too powerful and I can't even imagine a really good way to portray those powers, but if Oda does it, I'm sure it'll be cool.
That´s exactly that thought that I have whenever I think of the light/darkness logias. :biggrin:
I actually created a psychotic fan character with that power once. He used it oddly and paradoxically, so its actual power was never really resolved. He simply used it for accelerating and for blinding people so he could run away.
@joekido:
Does it looks like it's out yet? Right now Oda is ill and he may not release it next week so can't you just wait and see instend of asking over and over again?
damn im ill too
That´s exactly that thought that I have whenever I think of the light/darkness logias. :biggrin:
The only problem I see with a Light Logia is that's it's closely related to the electricity and fire powers of Enel and Ace…I mean, my main thought of someone wih light-power is that he can fire beams of intense heat.
However, A light-power would be ideal for creating optical illusions, and It'd be awesome if it ventured into the realm of radiation...with the exitation (english word?) of electrons and all...Or if the user could emit electromagnetic Gamma-waves!!
However, I'm still hoping for a prism/ Diamond power if we get to see anything light related.
Edit: A light Logia would actually be cool, as he'd be able to make himself invisible / change his apperance- at least visually. And perhaps emit UV/ infrared rays?
Hey, does Nami still have her Impact gaunlet from weird knight? That'd be useful in her coming battle her CP9 Kalifa/Califa/Calipha/Kalipha? I'll look her name up later.
I doubt she still has it, I dont think Gan Fall would give away a piece of his armor.
speaking of dials,what sorts of dial did ussop use in the perfect clima tact
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What has happened here? I ignore the thread for a week and when I click on the thread the first sentence I read is:
Are you sure photons truly have a shape?
You guys are too much. Unintentional I'm sure and part of a deep conversation but boy did that give me a hearty chuckle.
I meant is as a joke, anyway, I'm glad someone understood it that way. ^_^ Part of my campaign against Mary Sue fanfics and DFs!