Hahaha. You know the South Park guys have been enjoying this:
South Park
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She-Hulk's writer doesn't seem to like South Park:
https://tvweb.com/south-park-tweet-social-media-dana-schwartz/?fbclid=IwAR1-qrjePDA9iDLuEWAWh0b-Ubuq-yyFAz6ThjDopSNgy5ki_pzZBzpBw60To which I say, "I feel like you're missing the point, lady".
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To which I say people like or dislike what they want.
This seems more like a south park story since I think we would be reacting to the vadility of her criticism of South Park and her work is irrelevant in this discussion.
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She-Hulk's writer doesn't seem to like South Park:
https://tvweb.com/south-park-tweet-social-media-dana-schwartz/?fbclid=IwAR1-qrjePDA9iDLuEWAWh0b-Ubuq-yyFAz6ThjDopSNgy5ki_pzZBzpBw60To which I say, "I feel like you're missing the point, lady".
Nah, she's 100% completely right. She sees the point. ANd that's that there is none, but South Park acts smug about it anyway.
In retrospect, it seems impossible to overstate the cultural damage done by SOUTH PARK, the show that portrayed earnestness as the only sin and taught that mockery is the ultimate inoculation against all criticism.
Smugness is not the same as intelligence; provocation isn't the same as bravery. The lesser of two evils aren't the same. It seems [like] South Park has been trying to reckon with this-I admit I haven't been watching the show in recent seasons, but I'm fascinated to see [the South Park creators apologizing]. To be clear, I don't blame the show itself as much as I do the generation of boys who internalized it into their personalities. Which maybe isn't the show's fault! "
Just for examples off the top of my head. They refused to accept Global Warming until last year after spending literal decades mocking it, (from Al Gore's manbear pig to electric cars to heat wave disaster movies, they mocked global warming a ton.) And every four years bring out the "both candidates are a douche and a turd sandwich and are exactly the same" and even reuse the props and exact joke, even when that's really really not the case.
ANd time after time they go "we're smug outsiders condescending on this entire conversation. We're not going to actually pick a side on anything, both sides are stupid because everything is stupid. We're going to sit out on having a real discussion or opinion."
"We offend everyone equally" being their comedy coverage is one thing. That's fine, that's legit, that's South Park for you, no religion or famous person is safe..
"We don't take a stance on anything and say everything is dumb" just repeating for 300 episodes for 25 years isn't great. And when they come off as, and pretend to be, the smartest people in the room, and millions of viewers internalize their message from middle school onward? That's not healthy for the audience.I know once upon a time when I was in Middle School and South Park was still new I watched South Park and went "yeah, these guys are smart, they get it, they're right about everything!" and carried that for ages. And then I outgrew that and went "why don't these guys ever have an actual opinion?" Back when South Park was a show that had just been around for a couple years that was one thing. But after decades of pushing the stoner philosophy? Of saying "your voice doesn't matter, everything sucks anyway, don't get involved in anything?"
She wasn't criticizing the comedy. She was criticizing the message that the show built over time and what that's done to those that internalized it. How any potential voters need to be convinced their vote is meaningless to affect an election? 60,000 over three states? 538 in Florida?
Even Trey and Matt are starting to realize that exact thing. Because they ARE apologizing for being wrong on global warming. And they seem to know they messed up when it comes to Trump.
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I fondly recall when it was allowed to just be a funny show about an elephant making love to a pig or a book mobile driver molesting chickens to teach children how to read. Analyzing comedy is the bane of enjoyment
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I fondly recall when it was allowed to just be a funny show about an elephant making love to a pig or a book mobile driver molesting chickens to teach children how to read. Analyzing comedy is the bane of enjoyment
Sounds like the 90s. And that you should watch sunny in Philadelphia.
It's a lot harder to find visual entertainment without some level of messaging to analyse these days.
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Sounds like the 90s. And that you should watch sunny in Philadelphia.
It's a lot harder to find visual entertainment without some level of messaging to analyse these days.
Long time fan of Sunny, and those guys like to use their show to comment on anything and everything. But i do want to differentiate betwenn the showrunners having a thing they want to slip into their show and a third party analysing how the comedy is affecting the holy cow of "society". To me one is a natural part of telling a story, the other feels like dissecting a frog. But i mean in general i dislike any sort of broad take on how X is corrupting the minds of the youth, so maybe i am biased here
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I'm kind off on the fence on this one. On the one hand, it's hard to ignore her arguments because I know enough South Park fans who act exactly like she describes, having taken this "everything and everybody sucks equally, so let's just mock it indifferently from the sidelines" mentality which I do think is kinda dangerous. On the other hand, South Park, as smug as it can be, is pretty hilarious and clever most of the times. You may not agree with their general stance, but they do hit the nail on the head when it comes to satire more often then not. Even something serious as global warming shouldn't be a sacred cow that isn't allowed to be satirized (especially electric cars, yikes).
It's completely ridiculous how people are now apparently pissed off at her for daring to criticize their favorite show, lol. Especially since she even pointed out that she doesn't really blame the show itself all that much.
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I fondly recall when it was allowed to just be a funny show about an elephant making love to a pig or a book mobile driver molesting chickens to teach children how to read. Analyzing comedy is the bane of enjoyment
And when that's all South Park wanted to be, all the way back in season 1, that was fine. That WAS just comedy. They were just doing anal probe jokes and talking about Chef's big salty balls, and making a CHristmas mascot a piece of talking poo, having fun. And during that season they DID actually take a stand on one thing in like their fourth episode… that its okay to be gay. They said it in a big over the top way, but they actually picked a side and said "yeah, accept people who are different."
Once South Park decided they had a message and that they were the smart voice on television and they had the moral high-ground in every argument, and that ultimately their opinion that needed to be shared every week was 'everything sucks equally and we're smarter than everyone else", that's not as keen. It wasn't JUST comedy after a point. Even if it wasn't their intent to push their philosophy, after hundreds of episodes from just those two voices those opinions and attitudes leaks through anyway.
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I wasn't offended by the movie's content so much as by its nihilism. At a time when the world is in crisis and the country faces an important election, the response of Parker, Stone and company is to sneer at both sides – indeed, at anyone who takes the current world situation seriously. They may be right that some of us are puppets, but they're wrong that all of us are fools, and dead wrong that it doesn't matter.
I mean, I still watch South Park and I generally enjoy it (though not as much as I used to), but yeah, it does make me wonder how much they have contributed to nihilistic, both-sides-suck viewpoints in America.
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I'm kind off on the fence on this one. On the one hand, it's hard to ignore her arguments because I know enough South Park fans who act exactly like she describes, having taken this "everything and everybody sucks equally, so let's just mock it indifferently from the sidelines" mentality which I do think is kinda dangerous. On the other hand, South Park, as smug as it can be, is pretty hilarious and clever most of the times. You may not agree with their general stance, but they do hit the nail on the head when it comes to satire more often then not. Even something serious as global warming shouldn't be a sacred cow that isn't allowed to be satirized (especially electric cars, yikes).
It's completely ridiculous how people are now apparently pissed off at her for daring to criticize their favorite show, lol. Especially since she even pointed out that she doesn't really blame the show itself all that much.
This is very true. I mean, every fandom has awful people in it, but one failure of South Park (is it really a failure though?) is that there are some awful assholes who watch it. As long as you watch it with a grain of salt that's one thing, but there are people who take it way too seriously.
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disagreeing with a show's politics is fine but saying it ruined society is hysterical it's just a tv show it doesn't have that much influence
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Lol, I wonder what exactly was going on in her life to prompt those comments.
Yeah South Park has its issues, but to blame one show for causing "irreparable cultural damage" is absolutely hilarious.
I get that South Park tends to make commentaries on society, but absolutely no one has any obligation to heed their words and follow what they say. Its a comedy show where characters fat/quiff on other people's faces, and a literal piece of shit has sentience. None of it is meant to be taken seriously.
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disagreeing with a show's politics is fine but saying it ruined society is hysterical it's just a tv show it doesn't have that much influence
This continues to be a debated topic with no definitive answer. I don't think any reasonable person would argue that a movie or TV show about serial killers makes one a serial killers, but one could argue that the media we consume shapes our view of the world. For a quick test, close your eyes and imagine a French person. If you imagined a person in a beret, maybe with a moustache, striped shirt, and a baguette, then I think you may see my point. And, by that same token, could shape our views about ethics, morality, and philosophy, or at the very least reinforce them.
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
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This continues to be a debated topic with no definitive answer. I don't think any reasonable person would argue that a movie or TV show about serial killers makes one a serial killers, but one could argue that the media we consume shapes our view of the world. For a quick test, close your eyes and imagine a French person. If you imagined a person in a beret, maybe with a moustache, striped shirt, and a baguette, then I think you may see my point. And, by that same token, could shape our views about ethics, morality, and philosophy, or at the very least reinforce them.
Sure but none of those things can be defined by one show.
For example, your example of a french person only happens when someone has consumed several pieces of media that depict French people in such a way.
So we can't blame one show for shaping the minds of people. It would be a different argument if it was the entire industry being criticized.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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Sure but none of those things can be defined by one show.
Ah, but if its one of the only shows you watch, and you see it every night in reruns, for literal decades, then it IS going to have an effect on you. You're going to think thats one of the only kinds of comedy around, those opinions and viewpoints are going to be ones you hear regularly. If the shows you watch only have a certain ethnicity in them and you never see any gay relationships, those things become alien to you. And if you're not getting anything else, it seems smart to you so you mimick those opinions because the sart guy that understands the world says it, so they must be right….
Keeping to the SP example, on the same channel it was followed by the Daily Show and Colbert Report for ages. The Colbert Report ran for almost a decade, and there are a lot of people that thought Colbert's character was completely real and didn't understand that he was a parody. But still thought he was smart and knew what he was talking about, and missed the satire of it all. Because they just didn't know any better and that's all they knew.
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We really need a few studies or some statistics before we can properly debate whether or not claiming the show damaged our society is a ridiculous idea.
As it stands now, the article is just another Jack Thompson vs video game violence campaign.
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Feels like an easy out for deeper issues. I'd argue that American society has far more relevant institutions who had an active hand in creating jaded uncaring people. Like the douche and a turd thing, doesn't it feel more reasonable to assume that the broken nature of the US election makes the (atleast perceived to be) locked out people disillusioned and apathetic toward voting or is it more reasonable to attribute it to that a dick and fart show once made that joke?
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South Park has taught me one very important lesson. I don't know if it was the intention of Stone and Parker to teach anyone any lesson with this episode but teach me it did. It's the Go God Go duology and it taught me to importance of not seeing everything in black and white, and it taught me at a point when I looked at everything that way.
If you need a refresher on Go God Go, Cartman travels to the future where the world is ruled by atheism as a pure, logical, perfect place free of religion and all the wars it causes. War quickly breaks out between various factions over the most logical way to solve the world's problems.
After reading everyone's posts, in hindsight, I can see a nihilistic slant to it. That 'both sides suck, it doesn't matter' vibe is there for sure. But what I got out of it was that the right solution isn't exclusively whatever opposes a problem. What I got from it was that thought, attention, and time are what's needed to find the right solution to a problem, not throwing yourself blindly to an opposing cause with zealotry.
Whether or not South Park has destroyed our society, I don't know. But I can say it has influence on people. I can say it made me less simple-minded. I can also say it's made people pretentiously apathetic. Everyone here has met at least one person with a dead Kenny tee who had to loudly announce that both candidates in an election are the same.
I think tv can influence us and influence us greatly. It can shape every believe we have. It all comes down to how cool or admirable the characters with the opinions are portrayed as. To build off of nobodyman's examples about serial killer shows not making people serial killers - most serial killer shows would make the killer morally conflicted about their killings or make them a problem for ordinary people (i.e. the demographs that make up the viewers), so if the killer has a philosophy or opinion, it's the fact that the killer has given themselves a self-made problem or that the killer opposes the people watching that could make his opinions seem wrong. Whereas with South Park, it's a horrible yet realistic world where most people are cartoon characters and the kids who champion the creator's thoughts are sane, smart, and humane. There's also the fact that even really impressible people understand the basic morality that killing is wrong, whereas whether or not an issue is even worth discussing doesn't conflict with any basic morality and could be much more influential.
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I'll never forget the episode where they went all out against home shopping networks.
Legendary.
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I tend to believe media has a part of shaping how you view the world. Not the only part, theirs also your neighbourhood , education, family and friends etc… But I tend to believe pretty much everything you interact with have an influence and tv takes a decent chunk of time of most modern people.
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Because they can't wait for the next season:
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of course Randy would try to cash in on the pandemic. of course Cartman would take advantage of this by not going to school
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The new episode was pretty good. The stuff with Randy were pretty funny throughout the episode. The entire storyline with Butters was heartbreaking as went on. The behind the scenes stuff for the episode was really interesting since everyone including Matt and Trey are working from home. I'm wondering if this season, they are just going to do special episodes.
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CC has the episode online for everyone:
https://southpark.cc.com/episodes/yy0vjs/south-park-the-pandemic-special-season-24-ep-1Let's be honest, the best part of that whole episode was Death.
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I have reviewed all of South Park. The first 2/3 episodes were really cool. Then it was not the same. The impression that chtoli spoiled. The episodes don't run like that anymore.
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Pandemic Special 2 is coming in March.
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That "Q" has me worried . . .
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the fact they used herd instead of heard makes me think South Park is about to do something that's beyond crazy.
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New teaser for the new special.
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I enjoyed this episode, wonder though what this means for the new direction southpark goes.
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I had no idea that Casa Bonita was a real place, or that it was in trouble:
https://movieweb.com/south-park-creators-buy-casa-bonita-cartman-restaurant/?fbclid=IwAR0KIp-yLzCklv8J5RXjColOG2Dh1_lxzX-NfuwMK7LnvofJwtP4Z4GIYUEBut here's hoping that Matt and Trey can buy it to save it.
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Here's to hoping if they save it, they actually pay the employees well enough.
I would not trust Trey Parker to pay restaurant employees well. I hope I'm wrong and they genuinely take initiative to make it into a good restaurant and pay employees fairly
But Trey Parker's politics are such shit, I'd fully expect him to buy the restaurant, pay the employees at minimum wage, then mock them on South Park should they say something.
But who knows. If he has a personal stake in it, he might actually give enough of a shit. And that'd be the only reason why.
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It's apparently something he loved from his childhood. That might be enough of a reason.
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So for those unaware, Matt and Trey just released a South Park movie on Paramount Plus. And apparently they're planning on doing 13 more of these things.
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a38086635/south-park-movie-release-date-post-covid/
Welp, guess this is the final push I needed to get Paramount Plus.
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Post Covid is already out. Didn't knew it would be connected to the previous two specials. Now I have to watch the other two.
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Knew they were gonna make this:
It'll never be better than Isaac Hayes, but the dude did pretty well.
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I was laughing way too hard at the 'Tolken" reveal
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I was laughing way too hard at the 'Tolken" reveal
And they're adding to the gaslighting by changing his name in their mobile game.It was absolutely brilliant.
It actually made me realize that the show surprisingly treated Tolken so well, that even in our current modern social climate, the show was never actually lambasted for having a token character
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This is a hoot:
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wait, so Cartman ended up getting his breast implants removed from that other special? i can't keep up with the Paramont+ only stuff lol
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You knew they were gonna go for this:
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I really enjoyed the new South Park special. The cereal mascots being mob bosses made me laugh really hard. I have to admit the health system song was really catchy.
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Here's the trailer:
Guess it's time to go to Colorado.
