I think it was made pretty clear in the manga that he observed the details of soru carefully. I didn't get the impression it was careless at least.
Chapter 401 "Pirates vs. CP9" Discussion
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I think it was made pretty clear in the manga that he observed the details of soru carefully. I didn't get the impression it was careless at least.
Who said it was careless?
Do you think Sanji or Zoro would not be observing their opponents' moves?
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Sorry to give the impression that you thought it was careless, I was more or less commenting on my on view.
EDIT: About Zoro and Sanji, sure they would. I think Luffy is a better fit for copying techniques, at least to me. When I see his fights, he just does whatever comes into his head in life or death situations. That unorthodox technique he uses is what gives me that impression I suppose. As for Zoro and Sanji they seem less likely to do something they haven't done before in most situations, because I feel they are more structered in their fighting styles that they wouldn't do something out of the ordinary during a fight with a high-caliber opponent. For Sanji to try out a Rankyaku during a fight after not knowing before just doesn't seem to fit with me. Am I excluding the possiblity or condeming it? No.
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ummmm, does anybody know where is the title page?
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The colorspread and the title page are one and the same.
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What if she ate a rabbit fruit? It wouldn´t be much of an dangerous animal bust I can already imagine her half-animal form to look like a playboy bunny? [qimg]http://freeweb.siol.net/majek05/shifty-ivo.gif[/qimg]
Hey! The Rabbit fruit was my idea! :lol:
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I'd say she gets a …invisible clothes fruit...
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Sanji could take the key and run shrugs
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But no matter how strong you are in your field, you can't just adapt in a second. Like an expert judo-ka throwing an elbow will most likely still look like a goof. For me it depends on how it's picked up. If Sanji used Rankyaku to bust into Calipha's room, it'd be weird, but if she keeps using it on him and he turns his leg swings into the move, I guess it wouldn't be bad.
My point, yeah. I think I can accept this whole Sanji situation you mentioned. But really. It's not like the mugiwaras are all that martial-art experts. Zoro is a swordsman. Luffy doesn't have any fightin style (martial-fightin style, that is). Sanji is possibly the one that you can call "martial-artist", so maybe I can accept him learnin rankyaku, since it's a leg move. But it's not only watchin and adaptin. Fuck. Ask me, it takes good amounts of PRACTISE to learn EXACLTY how to perform a high-level martial art move. It's not like, I see my master doin it, and by seein, I try and do it perfectly in no time. It takes time and practice and all this cliche' stuff. So that's why I still can't 100% accept the fact that Luffy performed sorou so easily, even in the Gear 2 form. Cause, physical strenght is one thing. MAsterin a martial art move (and a difficult one) is another.
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Well, don't forget that they're BEYOND the level or martial arts most people can even think about reaching. They're beyond anything even a 9th dan would reach.
And, last I checked, fighting with swords was considered a martial art…
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I say she gets a lion fruit. for two reasons i think im stretching this theory of mine a little bitt. But i just remembered a not so old colour spread. For sure somebody mentioned this before, i didn't read all the posts. It's the straw hats in a sawana like place with GIRAFFES and lions, and Sanji is sitting on one of the lions.
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Well, don't forget that they're BEYOND the level or martial arts most people can even think about reaching. They're beyond anything even a 9th dan would reach.
And, last I checked, fighting with swords was considered a martial art…
Yeah, seems that I forgot that this is a shonen jump manga. duh. Where people can lift buildings with one hand. :wacko: you're right.
and yep, martial art indeed, tho it's not the same.
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Well, I doubt Zoro'd be picking anything up, especially since he can basically already pull of Rankyaku with his swords, but I'm just sayin'…
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zoro can easily see soru, block rankyaku, and he didn't even put his bandana. without his devil fruit, kaku would be ko quite easily i think.
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I agree with you igalsfy. I like the fact that Zoro is stronger than Kaku in some senses. If not, it would be really pointed out who is strongest of Luffy and Zoro. And making Sanji fighting the weakest is pure genius work. Now, even after this arc, when almost everyone said that "after this fight,we will probably be able to decide who is strongest/weakest of Luffy, Zoro and Sanji". Oda is doing the exact opposite. :)
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I agree with you igalsfy. I like the fact that Zoro is stronger than Kaku in some senses. If not, it would be really pointed out who is strongest of Luffy and Zoro. And making Sanji fighting the weakest is pure genius work. Now, even after this arc, when almost everyone said that "after this fight,we will probably be able to decide who is strongest/weakest of Luffy, Zoro and Sanji". Oda is doing the exact opposite. :)
maybe it is pure genius work but I don´t like the whole duscussion who is the strongest.
I´m already pissed of that always Zoro gets 2nd-strongest villian. That is the reason why everybody think he is stronger but Sanji never got his chance to show us that he could beat someone like Zoro.
In the begining when Sanji enter the crew he got worthy oopponents like in he Arlong arc and Alabatsa arc but Zoro always have one ahead. I´m already pissed of already that always Zoro gets 2nd-strongest villian. That is the reason why everybody think he is stronger but Sanji never got his chance to show us that he could beat someone like Zoro.
Both of them are always shown as really strong but when it comes to a fight Zoro always get the big one and now Sanji got the weakest. This a unfair :sad:
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Ahh, but you see, Sanji looks at Calipha and sees a beautiful girl. This girl might say bad things about Robin. So his moral code would be confilcted. He must save Nami, but can't bring himself to harm a beautiful girl. In a sense, Calipha is the perfect foil to Sanji. That's what makes this such an interesting matchup.
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Ahh, but you see, Sanji looks at Calipha and sees a beautiful girl. This girl might say bad things about Robin. So his moral code would be confilcted. He must save Nami, but can't bring himself to harm a beautiful girl. In a sense, Calipha is the perfect foil to Sanji. That's what makes this such an interesting matchup.
maybe but it is still unfair that Sanji gets the opponents which stay in the second row. I want a "real" fight for him where he could show how strong he is. Zoro should get a weaker opponent this time.
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That is the reason about the whole who is stronger threads because you´re never able to compare them… this time the cliff between the opponents are enormLuffy - his opponent is 2times stronger than the second
Zoro - The second-strongest like always
Sanji - A girl... for him a hard fight just for him but. He should get Jabura or Kaku but he got the weakest. So she has to have a kick-ass Logia-type DF
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What the hell do you care? Like it even matters Sanji could be just as strong as Zoro, or even who their opponents are or stuff like that. It's battles, enjoy them and stop fretting about who is fighting who because it's ''unfair'' or some stupid shit like that. It doesn't mean anything, and even if it did it's stupid to care about it that much simply because you like Sanji more. I like Chopper, but you don't see me complaining about him not facing the strongest main villians instead of Luffy.
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@Mog:
What the hell do you care? Like it even matters Sanji could be just as strong as Zoro, or even who their opponents are or stuff like that. It's battles, enjoy them and stop fretting about who is fighting who because it's ''unfair'' or some stupid shit like that. It doesn't mean anything, and even if it did it's stupid to care about it that much simply because you like Sanji more. I like Chopper, but you don't see me complaining about him not facing the strongest main villians instead of Luffy.
I like Zoro as well but the fact is that Ussop no match for Jabura and i don´t say Sanji should get the strongest because that is Luffy´s task. The matchups should be fair
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The matchups should be fair
And it's up to you to decide what's fair, is it?
Okay, whatever.
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@3-Swords-Style:
Sanji - A girl… for him a hard fight just for him but. He should get Jabura or Kaku but he got the weakest. So she has to have a kick-ass Logia-type DF
Man, I really, really hope Califa doesn't get a Logia Power as it's way too late in the arc to introduce such a powerful Devil Fruit. A Logia's essentially being wasted on such a low level character at this stage in the game as Oda's not going to have the chance to show it off like he has for the other Logias.
I'm still sticking with the prediction that it will be an animal that nullifies her physical looks by either being ugly or being goofy looking.
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wait, im very confused.
is it out translated yet? oO;
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@3-Swords-Style:
I´m already pissed of that always Zoro gets 2nd-strongest villian. That is the reason why everybody think he is stronger but Sanji never got his chance to show us that he could beat someone like Zoro.
In the begining when Sanji enter the crew he got worthy oopponents like in he Arlong arc and Alabatsa arc but Zoro always have one ahead. I´m already pissed of already that always Zoro gets 2nd-strongest villian. That is the reason why everybody think he is stronger but Sanji never got his chance to show us that he could beat someone like Zoro.
It´s already late over here so maybe it´s just me, but does anybody else see double here? :blink: :blink:
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Don't worry, it's not just you….
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I guess he doesn't like Zoro fighting the second strongest CP9?
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Chill out, althought Zoro is fighting the 2nd best CP9 Kaku
Sanji's fight will be more difficult for him that any other fight because he's fighting a woman that alone triples the power of Califa
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Woah….wait a sec here.
Where does teh whole Zoro would have Ko'ed Kaku without his DF come from?
Last i checked, Zoro could keep up with Soru and was parrying rankyaku's. But he in now way showed himself to be superior to Kaku just yet.
Hell he was the one doing the heavy breathing after their small little spar. And he could even tell that Kaku was going easy on him.Meh, maybe its just me, but i personally would rather see Zoro grow in his fight and defeat Kaku, rather than the other way around. He still hasn't gotten past Tekkai yet.
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Read some post a bit earlier where some people were stating that Luffy could only perform Soru after he went to Gear 2nd?? i thought we had this discussion already, and that Luffy was doing Soru before he went to Gear 2nd, i guess i have to go re-read that chapter. As for him picking up the move, the move isn't as complicated as the other techniques, and i see no reason why someone who's a fighter as well shouldn't be able to pick it up, and luffy's been having to deal w/ people who move around quickly for quite some time now, i think it's ok for him to learn Soru.
The other techniques, i don't expect anyone to learn tekkai, kami-e, or shigan, but i'm putting some my bets on Sanji learning something, not necessarily a rokushiki technique, but i don't think his fight with Wanze, where he kicked him 12x in an instant was demonstrated for no reason. To my knowledge, Sanji hasn't gone through as much growth as Luffy and especially as Zoro, who's supposed to be his rival, so i'm expecting and really hoping for some Sanji growth in this arc ^_^
Not sure about geppou for sanji, maybe this'll change his character too much, i just can't picture him flying around in the future… :huh:
Edit: just checked, and Luffy did indeed to go 2nd Gear before he started using Soru
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Not sure about geppou for sanji, maybe this'll change his character too much, i just can't picture him flying around in the future…
But if he can do it and Zoro can't, it'll sure piss off Zoro.
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Why do people always say Zoro and Sanji are rivals. I don't think Zoro has any interest in beating Sanji. He is competing with swordsmen not kicking cooks. Sure they fight but I wouldn't say it deep rooted rivalry but more like petty bickering for comedy purposes. I just wish people would stop comparing those two. They way too different.
And honestly who cares.
And why shouldn't Zoro get the second strongest villains. He's the first person to join the crew and his main purpose on the ship is to kick arse. Sanji's main purpose is to cook delicious meals and the fighting thing is just a little bit extra that makes his character more fun. To tell the truth I like Sanji best when he's cooking. It's a side of his character I wish would come up more often. Cooking is his number one thing. Okay ladies are his number one thing and cooking is close second.
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@Bad-Beat:
I guess he doesn't like Zoro fighting the second strongest CP9?
Thats not the problem. Zoro is my favourite strawhat but I want to fight Sanji one of the most powerfull characters that we can already end the discussion if Sanji ist weaker than Zoro
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I don't think Oda will ever give us direct evidence about who's stronger between Zoro and Sanji. I like it the way it is now, and I believe they're both equal in strength, just that their strengths are different. Zoro is a swordsman, and Sanji is a love-cook that kicks major ass :lol:
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@Melee128:
come on people. Sanji can't hit Kalifa ugly or not.
Her devil fruit might turn her into some kind of animal so Sanji wouldn't be hitting a female but a big hairy monster
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Her devil fruit might turn her into some kind of animal so Sanji wouldn't be hitting a female but a big hairy monster
That better not be a spoiler..had enough of that last week..:hm:
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This chapter is fabolous. The next one should be very interesting i am waiting for it. But the Giraffe guy Kaku is a bit too much :D
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I don't think Oda will ever give us direct evidence about who's stronger between Zoro and Sanji. I like it the way it is now, and I believe they're both equal in strength, just that their strengths are different. Zoro is a swordsman, and Sanji is a love-cook that kicks major ass :lol:
Zoro and sanji are not rivals.
I doubt sanji can even fight on even grounds with Luffy, so how can he be stronger than Zoro?
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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I doubt sanji can even fight on even grounds with Luffy, so how can he be stronger than Zoro?
I you trying to say that Zoro is stronger then Luffy there? :ninja:
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Zoro and sanji are not rivals.
I doubt sanji can even fight on even grounds with Luffy, so how can he be stronger than Zoro?
When Zoro tried to attack Nami, believing that she had killed Usopp, Sanji stopped him (and he didn't seem afraid of zoro). It's not as though Zoro wasn't serious, he believed one of his nakama had just been killed by a traitor.
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I you trying to say that Zoro is stronger then Luffy there?
No Zoro and Luffy are equal in strength. I do believe that Zoro has more skills than Luffy, that is what's seperates him from Luffy.
When Zoro tried to attack Nami, believing that she had killed Usopp, Sanji stopped him (and he didn't seem afraid of zoro). It's not as though Zoro wasn't serious, he believed one of his nakama had just been killed by a traitor.
This means nothing. Sanji and Zoro are not rivals, Zoro simply has no interest in Sanji. Zoro does not take Sanji serious.
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If you say so.
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Zoro and Luffy used to be equals in strenth, but i believe Luffy became much stronger than Zoro since gear second.
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damn 402 isn't out yet? i long for the days when one piece was usually released first. :(
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Zoro and Luffy used to be equals in strenth, but i believe Luffy became much stronger than Zoro since gear second.
Zoro has gotten stronger too. Zoro stated it himself. Luffy is not the only one who grew in strength. Let's not even forget the fact that Zoro can combat soru really easy now.
