@Ivotas:
Because a government body and a military body are different in that matter. In a government body you can easily start working as a small bureaucrat and get promoted along this line until you are a bureaucrat that controls a fighting branch.
The same applies to a military, especially if you manage to luck out and are chosen for officer training early on. A military cannot function with bureaucratic elements and we've seen several people who fit that bill (Crane, Komir, Brandnew).
In the military however you start as a small trained fighter. No matter if you´re good or not you receive that training and this will never be gone no matter how much in ranks you rise. And it is very likely that along those lines you get even more powerful since you might get even better training along to the rising of the rank.
Actually, the farther you rise through the ranks, the more and more your time will be consumed by things that have nothing to do with training. The higher up the chain of command, the more administrative duties. As such, at least one of the Admirals should be fairly busy with actually commanding fleets which does not demand that he be that powerful of a fighter. Why not have it be Akainu?
Plus the Marine is the classic antagonistic body for pirates. So if the Shonen formula applies for pirates then it better has to do so for the Marine if they have to be convincing antagonists.
If you look, they're not all that convincing antagonists when it comes down to it. They cannot stop the spread of piracy and there are pirates out there who would easily defeat the strongest elements of the Navy.
Give me one superior where it is proven that his subordinates are stronger then him.
There simply isn't a large enough pool of Marines that have displayed feats of strength to know that to be the case either way.
As I said I know where you´re coming from. But without examples this doesn´t work. It is a Shonen story after all so it´s fair game to assume that it goes with the rank with power formula until proven otherwise.
I can´t believe that we are moving in circles this much. Fullbody was demoted and Jango is a former pirate. How can they be representative for the general situation in the Marine? Fullbody was a Lieautenant before he got demoted. You think he loses his strenght when he loses his rank? And Jango was a pirate. He can consider himself lucky to be even in the Marine. I seriously doubt that there´s hundreds of previous pirates like him doing the Odd Jobs in the Marine now. So he definitely is an exception.
By appearances, they are roughly equal in strength, so the two of them proved more than equal to the task of seizing a Baroque Works ship without further assistance.
Nezumi always outranked Fullbody, so by manga logic, he should have been stronger. Again, do you think that he could have done that task even with the resources at his disposal?
If not, we have a situation where one former Lieutenant and a former pirate are capable of something a Captain and his entire crew are not capable of.
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No, but being called "the greatest powers of the World Government" in a Shonen manga does guarantee it. As I said, if it would be "greatest powers of the Marine" then it would could also have indicate that their command influence is meant. But if you say "…of the World Government" this can´t be the case because they can´t be the highest commanding instance within it. So it is very likely that it indeed means that they are the strongest fighters fighting on the side of the WG.
This must be another semantics issue, because I see the quote either way as being a reference to their importance as a resource. Sengoku is Chief of Naval Staff; by manga logic, he should be stronger than any of the three Admirals. So why are those three men the greatest powers of the World Govenrment and not him? If nothing else, why isn't it those four men?
For almost 400 chapters Oda has been following manga logic when it gets to the topic of fighting (to which strenght levels and the like belong to) and I see no hints that out of a sudden that should be changed.
So Foxy is stronger than Ener and Lucci is stronger than Aokiji?
The fact that clearly weaker characters are introduced later on and yet still manage to be a threat is a sign that Oda does not necessarily follow manga convention.
The impact that is required to make it collapse definitely has to be very strong and such would be to strong to just knock you sideways but it would definitely make a strong impact like a canon ball. Just look at the Coup de Vent again. You´ll clearly see the point of impact at the middle of the page.
It would do damage, but much of that damage would be mitigated by the fact that it would shove the ship sideways. If the ship was connected to the ground like the crane or the galleon under construction, then it would be wrecked because all of the energy is being directed into it.
@omae:
Seriously, I expected something that would make this an amazing an truly unstoppable force that could erase an island which is what it was said to do, but it couldn`t even do that. All this talk about Ohara disappearing from the map. Please.
Is this some sort of intricate parody or something?
Again, if it's an truly unstoppable force, then why don't they ever use it on pirates? What we saw provides a clear answer for that: because there are pirates out there than could kick the ass of such a fleet.
Spandam was obviously using hyperbole, which should have been obvious before we saw what happened. The Navy does not have the necessary technology for such an action.
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And what a fearful force they are. One uses his ship to attack weak people and the other has some beef with him and lets the girl they were fighting agsinst escape, not to mention his previous care of the crew.
The fact that Kuzan became disgusted with the whole thing after Sakazuki's actions seems to match his general attitude: lazy-ass justice. I don't know that he liked the entire concept of the Buster Call in the first place, but he definitely did not approve of destroying the evacuation ship.
Of course, did he even know what was going on where Robin was concerned? As far as he might have known, she was just a little girl that Sauro was trying to protect without realizing that she was an archaeologist. Spandain was aware of that and Sakazuki might have been through him, but why would Kuzan know?
And as if they`d show up the instant the BC was initiated.
That just makes it a delayed death sentence where she's concerned.
Yeah. when she was how old again? 8? Shes seen them single-handedly take down forces the likes of which havent even been seen on the Blue Sea and shes seen that they have the ability to bust through Enies Lobby like shit through a goose. And youre gonna tell me she gets a free pass cause she was 8?
She's had twenty years to dwell on something that happened when she was a little kid. Age magnifies things, especially fears. It doesn't help that she's spent the last twenty years on the run from the World Government for nothing more than the fact that she didn't die like she was supposed to.
She saw Sauro mow right through half of the Buster Call fleet and what happened when one of the Vice Admirals stepped up? He lost instantly.
Poor writing on Oda`s part.
I couldn't agree less.
There was not anything about the Buster Call that made it seem like an impenetrable phalanx of death and destruction. Completely out of character and nothing that came out of this changed my mind.
See, I would have been disappointed if the Buster Call had not been portrayed in a more realistic fashion as it would have blatantly contradicted everything that we have seen in the entire series thus far.
The fact that Oda actually went about it a manner that fits what we have seen from the Navy is far, far more impressive to me than suddenly tossing out superweapons of dooooooom could ever be.
Which she didn`t see mind you.
Except that she definitely saw Zoro, Sanji, and Luffy all go down after initially attacking Aokiji.
Even if she didn't ask about what happened next, well, hell, Luffy was acting it out for the benefit of Usopp and Chopper. He might have thought it was funny, but she sure as hell didn't, especially seeing as how Sauro died like that.
And again, as if the instant the button was pushed Ao Kiji would be there.
She knows full well that Aokiji wouldn't come because the Buster Call is set into operation, the problem is that he will certainly come after them if the task force loses.
Yeah, as if the full force of a Buster Call would waste much time chasing a moving target.
Why wouldn't they? They have been given orders and it is therefore their duty to fulfill them. It's not like they can't draw off naval resources to make their job easier than other Marines would not have.
The VA have several important things to take care of at the moment
The fact that the Vice Admirals have more important things to do doesn't really matter in light of the fact that one of the Admirals seems to regularly blow off his duties and go gallivanting around the Grand Line.
and how long have people like Smoker been chasing Luffy without fully catching up?
In Odaverse time? Two or three weeks at the most, which isn't that much at all.
Smoker actually managed to get ahead of Luffy on the Grand Line despite the Straw Hats having a head start and the fact that he likely took a different route to Alabasta.
If Dragon isn't there, Luffy gets caught by Smoker at Loguetown.
If Ace isn't there, Luffy gets caught by Smoker upon entering Alabasta.
If Bon Kurei isn't there, Luffy gets caught by Hina.
If Aokiji doesn't just let them go, Luffy is dead.
If he doesn't get stuck between those two buildings, Luffy is dead.
In his last five encounters with the World Government, Luffy had his ass saved by others three time. Aokiji just let him go because he owed him one and he was somewhat impressed by his willingness to die for his friends. In the other instance, it was pure luck that he didn't wind up in the ocean.
Considering that the two encounters that the Straw Hats have had with the Navy since Robin joined were almost complete disasters and their two strongest fighters proved utterly incapable of scratching the Cipher Pol agents, why should she think that they could beat five Vice Admirals by themselves? The fact that Luffy could mow through Enies Lobby's scrubs means little when she saw Sauro do something similar and still be easily crushed by Kuzan.
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