Heh, I wonder if we'll get a Nightmare Momo in addition to ( or instead of ) Nightmare Luffy, powered through either the shadows of the Strawhats or the entirety of the Kozuki retainers' shadows.
Chapter 955: ENMA
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There is nothing like a failure coming up. We've already had Luffy's defeat, a prison break by Luffy and Law and the rescue of most of the biggest characters. We've had enough failures already. Denjiro, Nekomamushi, Marco and a couple others will show up in the eleventh hour and we'll have a grand ole battle for the ages. It's do or die, everything is all in and nothing is gonna stop it now.
I dunno why people still think Marco is coming. He already made it clear he's not, since he wants Neko to send a message.
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At first I just assumed Marco was giving away the location of the last Poneglyhp in said message, but now I also think it could be something related to Tama.
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At first I just assumed Marco was giving away the location of the last Poneglyhp in said message, but now I also think it could be something related to Tama.
Could also be something about Weevil, like don't fight him or be careful. Or something about Blackbeard. Could be anything really.
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Could also be something about Weevil, like don't fight him or be careful. Or something about Blackbeard. Could be anything really.
It sounds Wano related the way Marco asks if they're going to Wano right before he asks the question.
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Could be something about Kaido. As I said, could be anything really.
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This whole arc doesn't feel like a full blown loss for Kaido. Just for him to possibly lose Wano. So, however it's structured, Kaido doesn't have to be defeated for the arc to be resolved.
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Don't think it's any coincidence that Marco was revealed to be a doctor with healing abilities attributed to his df. I'm predicting his role in the story will involve saving the life of a half-dead Luffy ( and maybe Sanji and Zoro as well ) following Wano's conclusion. In which case, the message he wanted conveyed to Luffy will be directly related to the ongoings on Wano. Probably something related to Kaido's weak point or something.
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This whole arc doesn't feel like a full blown loss for Kaido. Just for him to possibly lose Wano. So, however it's structured, Kaido doesn't have to be defeated for the arc to be resolved.
Basically my thoughts as well. My theory is that Shanks will pull a Marineford and show up at the last minute again to resolve the conflict, in this case claiming Wano under his protection. A bruised Beast Pirates are forced to concede but live to fight another day, the WG is prevented from invading, and the Alliance get a happy ending of sorts without necessitating a complete win over Kaido. One big consequence of this is Luffy feeling cheated out his opportunity at beating Kaido, frustrated by Shank's intervention. Not that that they'll meet, as I'm predicting Luffy will suffer a near-death experience at the hands of a backstabbing Kidd at some point.
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Raid fails, we get Oden and family flashback, real final conflict begins with grand fleet and other parties like Moria and Marco arriving.
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This whole arc doesn't feel like a full blown loss for Kaido. Just for him to possibly lose Wano. So, however it's structured, Kaido doesn't have to be defeated for the arc to be resolved.
Kaido absolutely does need to be defeated. He's oppressing the entirety of Wano with his presence. He's the next Arlong/Enel/Crocodile/Doflamingo. He may be a Yonko, but he's ultimately not in the same grey area that Big Mom operates in that allowed Luffy and co. to exit Totland without defeating her.
Kaido on the other hand doesn't allow for that. This has been building up since Punk Hazard. A massive alliance has formed in pursuit of Kaido's goal, with a promise being directly made to Momo himself. Kaido has to go down one way or another. He doesn't necessarily have to die, but he does have to be defeated, as he is certainly not going to just leave Wano with his tail between his legs.
@Ghidorah:
Don't think it's any coincidence that Marco was revealed to be a doctor with healing abilities attributed to his df. I'm predicting his role in the story will involve saving the life of a half-dead Luffy ( and maybe Sanji and Zoro as well ) following Wano's conclusion. In which case, the message he wanted conveyed to Luffy will be directly related to the ongoings on Wano. Probably something related to Kaido's weak point or something.
I would definitely say it's just a coincidence. Marco, a guy with a Phoenix DF happening to be the doctor of Whitebeard's crew isn't surprising in the least. That introduction, where we see him tending to the villagers, was just to symbolize how ingrained Marco has gotten to living in this village. Not to mention we have both Chopper and Law, Marco is not needed for that role at all.
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Guys we're in the endgame now.
People say, in a one-on-one fight bet on Kaido. If you wanna be the pirate king you have to beat the odds.
Therefore you have to beat Kaido, it's inevitable. Luffy can't suffer a near-death experience.
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Even if he beats Kaido, Luffy suffering a near-death experience is almost guaranteed. Dude almost died with freaking Hody Jones. That's just one of the things that always happens. Sometimes several times during the arc like in Alabasta.
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Yeah, one-on-one… Kaido is juuust playing fair announcing a Yonko alliance.
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Yeah, one-on-one… Kaido is juuust playing fair announcing a Yonko alliance.
As if he would let Big Mom get in his way. Alliance or not. And it's more a truce than an alliance.
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Could be something about Kaido. As I said, could be anything really.
It cannot be anything, Marco would never tell Luffy his cake recipes with Nekomumashi.
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It cannot be anything, Marco would never tell Luffy his cake recipes with Nekomumashi.
Wasn't that Whitebeard's last order? "Tell that brat your cake recipes."
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As if he would let Big Mom get in his way. Alliance or not. And it's more a truce than an alliance.
Well, he changed his mind seeing LinLin. Could be he is changing his mind again if he sees Luffy getting attacked by Big Mom and then smashes her aside. I'd be cool about that to be honest. An implosion of this alliance is kind of expected anyway.
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I wonder if the reason Nekomamushi is taking so long to get to Wano (it's been like a week since the arc started and Luffy got there in a couple days) is because Weevil arrived on Sphinx while he was there.
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@Ghidorah:
Basically my thoughts as well. My theory is that Shanks will pull a Marineford and show up at the last minute again to resolve the conflict, in this case claiming Wano under his protection. A bruised Beast Pirates are forced to concede but live to fight another day, the WG is prevented from invading, and the Alliance get a happy ending of sorts without necessitating a complete win over Kaido. One big consequence of this is Luffy feeling cheated out his opportunity at beating Kaido, frustrated by Shank's intervention. Not that that they'll meet, as I'm predicting Luffy will suffer a near-death experience at the hands of a backstabbing Kidd at some point.
The series is nearing its conclusion and honestly it would be pretty bad writing for Luffy to somehow defeat the Beast Pirates without defeating either Kaido or Big Mom. I'm confident that Wano will be Luffy's crucible, transforming him and granting him the strength to deal with the few remaining threats ahead.
He can't just rely on Rayleigh's teachings forever.
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I wonder if the reason Nekomamushi is taking so long to get to Wano (it's been like a week since the arc started and Luffy got there in a couple days) is because Weevil arrived on Sphinx while he was there.
That or he's just lazy.
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That or he's just lazy.
Inuarashi: The war is over already. Strawhat left 2 weeks ago. Why the fuck you only getting here now?
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When it comes to what Marco told Neko, I think it's related to why WB or Izo never successfully got Kaido out of Wano. Don't even know if they tried or not. I question this. WB definitely cared for Oden
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I stumbled on a really good video from months ago that offers another key reason why the raid on Onigashima will fail:
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The discussions for the last couple of chapters have been so fun to read. Well all but the Zoro-Sanji power wanker discussions.
The 9 Scabbards will ultimately fall and in their place the true 9 will emerge. Ten scabbards really. It took 20 years because Luffy and the gang needed to grow. Somehow I bet it's going to come to that.
I really like that in these last 20 years the Kinemon and his gang have more or less been on the ball taking care of business. Now it is a bit disappointing in that it does once again feel like the Straw Hats are getting side lined for these side characters but I think once the Wano scabbards go down the Straw Hats will carry on where they couldn't in series defining ways. At least I hope so.
Last arc we knew Jimbe was around but it took a years worth of chapters for him to actually appear and make significant head way. Hopefully when the really zanny stuff goes down it will be the Straw Hats who just completely shock and amaze the world with their capabilities.
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The discussions for the last couple of chapters have been so fun to read. Well all but the Zoro-Sanji power wanker discussions.
Don't be an ass and demean other people's thoughts and concerns while wanking on top of your ivory tower.
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Nekomamushi is definitely not coming back alone and he is coming with enough fire power to even some of the odds. Marco might still have a change of heart or might point Nekomamushi towards other former Whitebeard captains. Otherwise, either Sabo and his crew or Fujitora might show up to even the scales a bit. As they are now, the army, with Luffy's improbable new strength might have a 15% chance at winning. That tiny sliver might be enough with the right strategy but with reinforcements, who knows what might happen. I expect serious casualties on the side of the protagonists but failure is not an option. The die is cast.
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Don't be an ass and demean other people's thoughts and concerns while wanking on top of your ivory tower.
I'm never an a$$! You see my signature?! I scored two awards in one ceremony!
But you are a power wanker right? It was you who I responded to a few days ago? I'm watching you buddy, you and anyone who throws shade at any of my Straw Hats. This tower is a perfect surveillance point.
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I'm never an a$$! You see my signature?! I scored two awards in one ceremony!
But you are a power wanker right? It was you who I responded to a few days ago? I'm watching you buddy, you and anyone who throws shade at any of my Straw Hats. This tower is a perfect surveillance point.
Damn, must have misunderstood your intent!
Well yeah. Even if I try to hide it behind "genuine" concern over each SH's air time.
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I'm waiting for that perfect panel showing all Scabards ready to fight just like the Strawhats at the gates of Enies Lobby.
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I'm waiting for that perfect panel showing all Scabards ready to fight just like the Strawhats at the gates of Enies Lobby.
Those types of line up shots are the best. The last time we got that with the crew was Fishman Island…
I'm looking forward to the fall of the Wano scabbards and in their place emerge Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook and Jimbei. They'll be the new 9 with Luffy as the head like Momonosuke. It would be neat if that mirrored the Wano scabbards almost exactly.
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As long as no one doubts the concept of the monster truck I am ok
But yeah I would love to see the 9 Scabbards being the SHs.
with Luffy as leader with finally Jinbe… And if Jinbe won't appear Oda can fuck off
Enough is enoug
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I don't see that theory, where the crew is the "real Scabbards", panning out frankly, but we'll see.
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I don't see that theory, where the crew is the "real Scabbards", panning out frankly, but we'll see.
It's one of the few reasons why the time jump needed to take 20 years. Maybe lol.
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The weird part about the theory of the 9 being the SH is because while it would make sense for the prophecy to not count Momo among the warriors and only go with his 9 Scabbards, I don't think it would make much sense for Toki to have a prophecy with the SH but Luffy not included. Unless Jinbe is not counted among those and the 9 SH are Luffy+8
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@.access:
The weird part about the theory of the 9 being the SH is because while it would make sense for the prophecy to not count Momo among the warriors and only go with his 9 Scabbards, I don't think it would make much sense for Toki to have a prophecy with the SH but Luffy not included. Unless Jinbe is not counted among those and the 9 SH are Luffy+8
Yes, that's what I was thinking when I wrote my previous post. It makes sense for Momo, a kid, to be excluded. The Scabbards are all relatively equal to one another in terms of prominence and can all clearly fight unlike Momo.
But this doesn't work for the Strawhats, as the prophecy not having any obvious allusion to Luffy means it can't be them, as we only have 9 shadows to work with instead of 10. And of course like you said, since it only mentions 9 shadows, the only way it could possibly apply to the Strawhats is if Jinbe is excluded. So believing that this prophecy could be referencing the Strawhats is inadvertently admitting that you don't view Jinbe as a Strawhat. At least as far as this arc is concerned anyways.
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Yes, that's what I was thinking when I wrote my previous post. It makes sense for Momo, a kid, to be excluded. The Scabbards are all relatively equal to one another in terms of prominence and can all clearly fight unlike Momo.
But this doesn't work for the Strawhats, as the prophecy not having any obvious allusion to Luffy means it can't be them, as we only have 9 shadows to work with instead of 10. And of course like you said, since it only mentions 9 shadows, the only way it could possibly apply to the Strawhats is if Jinbe is excluded. So believing that this prophecy could be referencing the Strawhats is inadvertently admitting that you don't view Jinbe as a Strawhat. At least as far as this arc is concerned anyways.
well, said sentence was said towards Orochi, so yeah it's pretty much the Scabbies since Luffy and Co are more interested in the Disney Animal Kingdom pirates.
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well, said sentence was said towards Orochi, so yeah it's pretty much the Scabbies since Luffy and Co are more interested in the Disney Animal Kingdom pirates.
Yea I agree, I just wanted to point that out as being the most damning argument against the prophecy referring to the crew.
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Won't the strawhat fight along with the scabbards ? For me either everyone is defeated or none
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9 scabbards…8 supernovas present. Urouge coming back soon maybe?