Finally a Iron Man movie that looks interesting, never bothered seeing the previous films since the impression gave( judging from the trailers) they always looked like generic fun popcorn flicks without any substance or emotional pull.
You should at least watch the first one.
The second you can skip.
I thought the second one was fine. A little too much SHIELD stuff for the Avengers displacing the plot and the final fight was pretty anticlimactic but it was a fun movie.
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I thought the second one was fine. A little too much SHIELD stuff for the Avengers displacing the plot and the final fight was pretty anticlimactic but it was a fun movie.
When it came out I knew part 2 would be better with time… after the movies it was setting up came out. It pretty much sacrificed itself to the world building... and it was worth it for Avengers.
So it works better as a prequel to Avengers than as a sequel to Iron Man 1.
Iron Man 2 is better than Thor and Incredible Hulk.
Eh, not a huge fan of the who share universe thing(I'm a guy who didn't care for the Avengers the first time I saw it). I think superheroes films should be separate from one another to tell the strongest standalone story. I'm not saying its a bad thing they've built towards a shared universe, I think that's a kinda neat innovation in cinematic terms, but still meh.
However eventually your gonna run into a mess of problems along the way, they can't do this forever. When all the key characters in this verse have gotten their trilogies in order what will Marvell do then? The Avengers 3? But then what else? Reboot? I'm not sure what else one could do differently with these characters, they just don't seem to have that longevity as much as something like Batman has.
This is part of the reason I love Batman, he is a character who has such longevity and as Nolan said he can go on forever on film unlike say Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America which just doesn't have a varied a history with a strong rogues gallery to keep them on support.
Batman has much more material to draw upon, so much variations/interpretations that he is the crown jewel in comics to use for cinema. You can James Bond Batman easily since there's no set in stone version of him anyway, and he's a character who's thrived on reinterpretation. Some people will prefer Millers insane anti-hero Batman, or some will prefer Neal Adams heroic batman. Just like in film, some people might prefer l Keaton's killing Gothic sociopath Batman, or some might prefer the more humanized, heroic Batman of the Nolan films. I love that about Batman, he's so enduring. He's immortal…really he is.
Marvel Superhero films are here to stay, they are perfect cows to milk, they are easy to write and with modern special effects eyecandy effect is assured.
They are excellent movies to go watch with friends because they are entertaining, easy on eyes and have a plot that wont force you think too much. Also they are 100% reliable cash-magnets who will become seasons highest crossing films because you know you will be entertained in one way or another.
Iron Man 3, Thor 2&3, Hulk movie, Hawkeye/Romanov movie, Captain America 2&3, Avengers 2&3…so many movies and sequels that will surely be a commercial success with each of them. Then there is of course reboots and Marvel charecters who havent been done yet.
Marvel franchice has been well established and everyone know about these movies, making sequels pay no risks and each sequel movie will be a succesfull and easily pay 2-5 times of money that was invested on each film.
Marvel Superhero films are here to stay, they are perfect cows to milk, they are easy to write and with modern special effects eyecandy effect is assured.
They are excellent movies to go watch with friends because they are entertaining, easy on eyes and have a plot that wont force you think too much. Also they are 100% reliable cash-magnets who will become seasons highest crossing films because you know you will be entertained in one way or another.
Iron Man 3, Thor 2&3, Hulk movie, Hawkeye/Romanov movie, Captain America 2&3, Avengers 2&3…so many movies and sequels that will surely be a commercial success with each of them. Then there is of course reboots and Marvel charecters who havent been done yet.
Marvel franchice has been well established and everyone know about these movies, making sequels pay no risks and each sequel movie will be a succesfull and easily pay 2-5 times of money that was invested on each film.
I'm talking about Marvel studio films specifically.
The Marvel films have no doubt achieved an unprecedented amount of success, there's no denying that however the issue is how long Marvel can keep it up. Also keep in mind this most likely wont last forever., as these characters are not as varied as something like Batman, which is a very flexible superhero that you can take in a number of different ways and still feel right. The character of Batman in the comics has such a vast gem of stories, supporting characters that have yet to be explored cinematically. The character has a long lifespan destined for him, and can be played by different people with different takes for each. Iron Man, Thor and Captain America don't have that vitality, and due to the fact that they don't they're lifetime in cinematically might be sparse. The Hulk especially is a character who's mythos is so small and so simple that he simply can't carry a film by himself(he works better in an ensemble like Avengers recently displayed). The Hulk recently got some momentum from the recent Avengers film, so they're might be some hope of him spawning another single film. but as whole not the best character for solo franchise. Out of all the Marvel films, the Hulk movies have been the least popular.
As I typed this: I just realized Marvel actually has the rights back to Daredevil, who's got a similar problem. Daredevil is little more darker than most of the marvel characters so I find it interesting to found out how marvel will integrate the harsh gritty marvel character into the mostly less serious marvel universe(assuming they will make their Daredevil movie part of the universe).
as these characters are not as varied as something like Batman, which is a very flexible superhero that you can take in a number of different ways and still feel right. The character of Batman in the comics has such a vast gem of stories, supporting characters that have yet to be explored cinematically. The character has a long lifespan destined for him, and can be played by different people with different takes for each. Iron Man, Thor and Captain America don't have that vitality
Doubting the lasting power and depth of franchises that have been popular for half a decade seems foolhardy to me.
Daredevil doesn't have to be dark. The current Daredevil is very light-hearted and goes back to his swashbuckling roots. And it won like 10 Eisners.
Everytime i hear Daredevil and dark the Mike Murdock bit pops into my head
cracks me up every time
Doubting the lasting power and depth of franchises that have been popular for half a decade seems foolhardy to me.
I'm saying they won't everlasting due in large part they aren't as flexible as something like Batman, I really don't think reboots, or James Bonding things will work well as much as something as Batman if they do get to the point they have to do them. Also Hulk has never really been popular until the Avengers reinvigorated interest in him.
Also my impression of Daredevil being dark comes from the 80's Miller comics like "Born Again" which were dark, haven't read the current stuff so maybe Daredevil can work within the realms of the Marvel cinematic universe.
I don't get your assumption that these characters are set in stone
Betwenn now and the 60's there's been tons of changes in anything from tone to character.
Hulk was super popular because of the Lou Ferrigno TV show and was probably Marvel's number 3 most popular character around after Spider-Man and Wolverine until Iron Man came out.
And just because you're not familiar with current Daredevil doesn't change that a C-lister who was dark 'n gritty for decades can succesfully become the complete opposite of that in both critical and financial ways. That's called flexibility.
As Wolfwood said, when you have such a rich history of comics there's actually very few characters who are set firmly in stone.
Hmm, you know what? I don't know enough about marvel to really continue this argument. Oh well, this argument I'll retire. Though I still feel my basic point is still all the more true. I want to explain more but I feel it will be derailing this thread.
Y'know what marvel villains doesn't use enough of these days? Shrink rays!
Throw some more of those things in, and some campy lava-men planning to conquer the surface and we'll have ourselves a good ol' sci-fi marvel reboot. Back to the roots baby
I know campy-ness is fun, but is it feasibly possible to do a non-campy version of lava men and shrink rays?
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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=96373
This is interesting. The Wolverine actually takes place after the X-Men movies instead of before. They might use this movie to set up the modern X-Men's status for Days of Future Past.
^^The continuity continues to confuse me…
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=96373
This is interesting. The Wolverine actually takes place after the X-Men movies instead of before. They might use this movie to set up the modern X-Men's status for Days of Future Past.
Wait didn't cyclops died on the third movie?
Edit: forget what i said
So… bone claws?? Thats interesting..... are they going to use the events in Fatal Attraction (by retconning Magneto from X3 or by ignoring the movie altogeter), or just some new tech to release the adamantium.
But anyhow, judging by just that short info, I think the premise is indeed interesting. Focusing on Logan's immortality and the burden it carries along with it.
Plot prediction: Logan volunteered to be experimented again (this time to undo his adamantium bond), but that this time hoping it'll kill him. But it doesn't and sends out the berserker side, which he then rediscover the meaning of life etc etc and decided to just live through his immortality. Sounds pretty cheesy I know, but somehow I have a feeling I wouldn't be too far off in the end
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For the bone claws, my guess is WWII flashback in Japan.
So… bone claws?? Thats interesting..... are they going to use the events in Fatal Attraction (by retconning Magneto from X3 or by ignoring the movie altogeter), or just some new tech to release the adamantium.
But anyhow, judging by just that short info, I think the premise is indeed interesting. Focusing on Logan's immortality and the burden it carries along with it.
Plot prediction: Logan volunteered to be experimented again (this time to undo his adamantium bond), but that this time hoping it'll kill him. But it doesn't and sends out the berserker side, which he then rediscover the meaning of life etc etc and decided to just live through his immortality. Sounds pretty cheesy I know, but somehow I have a feeling I wouldn't be too far off in the end
The movie has a lot of flashbacks so that's where the bone claws come in.
I kinda hope the bone claws aren't just part of a flashback :sad:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/29/frank-grillo-cast-as-crossbones-in-captain-america-2
Frank Grillo cast as Crossbones in Captain America 2
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=42105
Mark Millar confirms that Fox Marvel is going to make a movieverse similar to Disney Marvel.
Haven't they already been doing that with X-Men?
Not really. Avengers connected different, separate franchises, while X-Men is its own franchise.
Maybe it means the X-Men will be in the same universe as Fantastic Four?
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Not really. Avengers connected different, separate franchises, while X-Men is its own franchise.
Maybe it means the X-Men will be in the same universe as Fantastic Four?
That's assuming Fox'll make a successful Fantastic Four movie.
Well, we finally got a good Captain America, so at this point I'll believe just about anything.
Of course, Fox does kinda suck at the whole superhero movie thing.
Josh Trank made one of the best superhero movies ever with Chronicle.
Also Fox may have made some bad movies but Marvel Studios (hell Marvel Comics, period) wouldn't exist at all without Fox.
I haven't seen Chronicle yet, but I noticed everyone loves it.
Didn't Star Wars basically save Marvel comics from extinction years ago? I can't put my finger on it but it did as far I can tell.
Star Wars saved Marvel in 1977. Fox and Sony (and Toybiz) saved Marvel in the late '90s.
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I haven't seen Chronicle yet, but I noticed everyone loves it.
It's really great, but its really not a superhero movie at all, its actually more like an American Akira in a way. Imagine the film Carrie mixed with a sci fi twist of Akira and you got Chronicle.
But I dunno, Trank seems like an odd choice for something like Fantastic Four as I've always thought the Fantastic Four as more lighthearted in tone.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/14/thor-villain-on-marvels-norse-sequel
Lostie Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje described his dual villain role in Marvel's upcoming Thor: The Dark World. Playing the Dark Elf Algrim the Strong as well as Kurse, Akinnuoye-Agbaje took some time to detail his process and his personal history with Marvel.
Apparently AAA is playing two villains of Thor Algrim and Kurse
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/14/thor-villain-on-marvels-norse-sequel
Lostie Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje described his dual villain role in Marvel's upcoming Thor: The Dark World. Playing the Dark Elf Algrim the Strong as well as Kurse, Akinnuoye-Agbaje took some time to detail his process and his personal history with Marvel.
Apparently AAA is playing two villains of Thor Algrim and Kurse
Algrim and curse are the same character, with Kurse being the transformed version of Algrim.
Sorry for the double post but BIG NEWS, DOCTOR STRANGE CONFIRMED: http://splashpage.mtv.com/2013/01/25/ant-man-doctor-strange-marvel/
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Now we need black panther!
Double post because no one has posted in this thread for a while.
Black Panther is awful.
Please…PLEASE PLEASE...Hugh Laurie for Dr. Strange
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Black Panther is awesome.
He just hasn't been used well in a while.
…is he still randomly married to Storm?
They separated after AvX…they've been unhappy in their marriage for quite a while...Namor flooding Wakanda didn't help matters either...
Well, considering their marriage was just a stunt anyway, and the two characters had pretty much never met before the issue where they got married…
And no real plus for them getting married to the story…not a hint of character growth because of it...
It was only a matter of time...
Personally, I enjoy Luke Cage's marriage more...
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