What are the chances Aokiji will ditch the Black Beard Pirates and join the Straw Hats
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
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I always thought that, at this point, we really dont need any ship position/role to determine new nakama. Their characterization, design, plot, abilities etc are way more important than that.
Because on other crewmembers, even the small ones like Blackbeard they dont even have clear roles. Like, what position does Catarina Devon etc fulfill rather than another combatant? Come to think of it, even Zoro doesnt have a clear role. Especially now when we're nearing the endgame, where firepower is more important than anything. Because, when you're gonna fight the world's big wig, we dont need navigation etc, we need combat improvements!
So if next crew member doesnt have a clear role, ehh its not a big deal. More firepower is good.
I mean, even if we don't particularly value it, that doesn't guarantee the story won't. Each cremates profession seems to be built up as if they're a "master" at something, like master swordsman or master shipwright, if not, exceptional as if there's no one else better for the job available, which may also apply to Yamato in case she also turns out to be a master brewer.
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But Oda is seemingly going out of his way to have this battle occur without anyone in the capital noticing.
I think they will find out at some point, but I don't think the festival or the lantern ceremony will be interrupted by Onigashima until the end.
I mean….Oda places a huge emphasis on the importance of people dying in the series, so I imagine having a festival that celebrates and mourns the dead will be respected.
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What are the chances Aokiji will ditch the Black Beard Pirates and join the Straw Hats
Very likely if by "join" you really mean 'allie'. I don't think Kuzan would ever really join a pirate crew regardless if they are bad or good.
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I'm still sure this would be good reason enough as any to give Yamato greater purpose in sailing with Luffy beyond freedom and adventure:
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Can anyone please translate what is written on the bottle?
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@$;4181388']Can anyone please translate what is written on the bottle?
[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/EHgHYDX.jpg[/qimg]Yeah, I guess it may or may not give a hint as to whether those and other bottles had alcohol brewed by Yamato.
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Yeah, I guess it may or may not give a hint as to whether those and other bottles had alcohol brewed by Yamato.
Greg about Yamato the Sake Brewmaster
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Yeah, I guess it may or may not give a hint as to whether those and other bottles had alcohol brewed by Yamato.
Greg about Yamato the Sake Brewmaster
"Sure, why not.
Though Yamato could take literally any role Oda throws at a wall that sticks.
I would argue though, it'd be nifty if Yamato knows the recipe for Binks' fav. booze."
http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=43241&p=4181359&viewfull=1#post4181359
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@$;4181399']Greg about Yamato the Sake Brewmaster
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Greg about Yamato the Sake Brewmaster
"Sure, why not.
Though Yamato could take literally any role Oda throws at a wall that sticks.
I would argue though, it'd be nifty if Yamato knows the recipe for Binks' fav. booze."
http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=43241&p=4181359&viewfull=1#post4181359
Well, each recruit usually shows some talent or skill related to their role before joining, like Zoro telling Luffy he uses three swords and Nami with maps at Orange Town. Chapter 999 might so far be the biggest evidence of Yamato’s role in case the title refers to her as well as she being the one who brewed the alcohol.
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I have no issue about Yamato being a brewer in the crew. As long as she ain't no stowaway/intern/trainee/whatever. That's Carrot's role. And I'm for both joining.
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I have no issue about Yamato being a brewer in the crew. As long as she ain't no stowaway/intern/trainee/whatever. That's Carrot's role. And I'm for both joining.
Still unsure about Carrot, but I definitely think we’re being set up for Yamato to do a 180 and suddenly change her mind about going to sea and instead stays on Wano forever. If Yamato was being written more similar to Vivi, I’d be more inclined to think to stay, but as is, I don’t think she will stay.
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@$;4181388']Can anyone please translate what is written on the bottle?
https://i.imgur.com/EHgHYDX.jpgAccording to my wife, the phrase is 不知夜月 / "Izayoizuki", which means "Not knowing the night". It's talked about a little here: https://onepiece-log.com/blog-entry-2301.html
One could read a lot into that, considering the dawn theming all over the story these days. But it doesn't indicate whether Yamato had anything to do with making it. In fact, the label is one that exists in real life:
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According to my wife, the phrase is 不知夜月 / "Izayoizuki", which means "Not knowing the night". It's talked about a little here: https://onepiece-log.com/blog-entry-2301.html
One could read a lot into that, considering the dawn theming all over the story these days. But it doesn't indicate whether Yamato had anything to do with making it. In fact, the label is one that exists in real life:
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Well, Yamato had been talking about the dawn quite a bit, so I don't think it would be too out of line to suggest that she makes labels like "I don't know the night, because the moon is rising all night."
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Its quite similar to Toki's words about Orochi.
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Its quite similar to Toki's words about Orochi.
Yeah, so maybe it might be a little more of a hint that those are Yamato's after all, as opposed to her just taking them from someone else, or Ace making them.
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The more I think about Master Brewer, the more plausible it seems, especially when you bring into the equation Oden.
There is a certain statement Oden made during his final words that may have influenced Yamato into pursuing a particular profession. Before the iconic "I AM ODEN AND I WAS BORN…TO BOIL" farewell that he yelled, he expressed a very curious statement to Kaido.
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!"For I am a story to accompany your drinks…"
Yamato was present during that message and Kaido's subsequent actions that left him mortified, inspired and completely in tears. It wouldn't be erroneous to suggest the Hour of Legends was burned into Yamato's memories and entire being. Following Oden's execution, Yamato was compelled to rush toward Kuri to save Momonosuke. He was too late but what Yamato found was Oden's journal. A journal that detailed Oden's story.
With the Kozuki family and Akazaya Samurai believed dead, and the Daimyo having sacrificed themselves to save Yamato, the only person who now knew Oden's story (beyond his presence in Wano) was Yamato. After Oden died, Yamato inherited Oden's will. If Yamato processed Oden's final message as something he wished to uphold, he could have interpreted the above part of the message as more than just words but a path on which he found himself traversing.
Yamato knew Oden's story and in order to establish a setting in which he could express that story as per Oden's final words, he could have learned how to brew drinks. By preparing drinks, he could share it with others and have an excuse to convey the story of Oden which until the Onigashima raid, he believed he was the only one aware of.
Further, when you take into account what Oda has revealed about what Yamato knows, there is genuine reason to believe that Brewer is a sound possibility. What evidence is this you ask? Well, it is the knowledge Yamato has regarding the construction of Vivre Cards. Now, I concede that fermentation and the construction of [special] paper aren't directly related but when you take a step back both are subject to chemical processes where breaking down the original source material is required.
The exact process for the creation of Vivre Cards isn't known at this point but the main material used in the process are an individuals fingernails. Another key aspect of Vivre Cards to remember is that they are waterproof and fireproof. Vivre Cards aren't just ordinary paper. Considering the production of Vivre Cards aren't just limited to one particular person who possesses some power, it conveys that the process can be learned and mastered. It is a knowledge based skill opposed to a genetic one. To produce the type of paper that is waterproof and fireproof while incorporating a person's fingernails, several chemical processes breaking down the original material (fingernails and wood) would be required to produce chemical wood pulp or semichemical pulp. On a side note, to plug the Stonemason theory, the equipment Yamato may have used for this process like stone grinders (for mechanical, groundwood or semichemical pulp) and some sort of stone flattening press device could have been created from the stonemason skills he picked up from Oden's journal and honed through pactice (Stonemason + Brewer let's goooo!).
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As for why I brought up the production of Vivre Cards in relation to fermentation, since both involve chemical processes, it wouldn't be illogical and surprising for Yamato to have taken his knowledge (of producing Vivre Cards) further and applied it to learning how fermentation works. Or it could be the other way around where Yamato learned how to create Vivre Cards because he knew how to create drinks as within the chemical wood pulp or semichemical pulp process, there are methods of creating paper that involve using soda or liquor i.e. soda pulping and kraft pulping. Being a brewer can go hand-in-hand with producing Vivre Cards.It may be coincidental but things get even more sweaty. The term "ferment" comes from the Latin word fervere, which means "to boil." What was Oden's last words again?
"I AM ODEN AND I WAS BORN…TO BOIL"
To be a Brewer is to know how to ferment i.e. to boil.
Yamato admires Oden and wishes to be like him. I am not sure how this translate over in Japanese but what if Yamato took the "to boil" aspect of Oden into a different direction i.e. fermentation? When the Brewer role is filtered through such a context, it doesn't convey itself as being wholly detached from Yamato and the story Oda is presenting. And rather than a Brewer title, Oda could go with something more encompassing to refer to Yamato's role, a Zymurgist (one who studies the chemical process of fermentation in brewing and distilling aka a knowledgeable brewer).
Use of brewing/chemical skills to the Straw Hat Pirates:
- Production of Vivre Cards,
- Production of Super Paper for Nami to use for drawing her maps (waterproof and fireproof); and
- Production of Cola. With the Thousand Sunny and Franky's main fuel source being cola, Yamato could provide them some assistance in this area. Yamato may even be able to brew more intense cola than Franky is used to which would provide the Sunny and him with a more potent fuel to power themselves with i.e. indirect power-up.
Whoever suggested Master Brewer as a potential role, thank you. I love possibilities like this that allows me to go on a complete tangent of thinking and submerge myself in research for hours where I end up learning things I never knew before which I amusingly am able to apply into the context of a fictional story. It's wild. I love theorycrafting. I now know a bit about zymurgy, the production of paper and how fermentation works. After this, I really can't disagree with Yamato being a Brewer/Zymurgist. In fact, I love that possibility (same with Stonemason to keep Oden's stonemason skills alive).
Well, Yamato had been talking about the dawn quite a bit, so I don't think it would be too out of line to suggest that she makes labels like "I don't know the night, because the moon is rising all night."
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If the interpretation of '"I don't know the night" because the moon is rising all night' is accurate, it conveys a representation closer to Yamato than Ace.
"Night" in this sense appears to be embody "darkness" and in turn "despair".
The "Moon" appears symbolic of hope that prevents one from being fully consumed in the darkness i.e. the Night.
Reading that in the context of Ace doesn't make much sense to me but in Yamato's circumstances, it establishes their story before the Onigashima raid. The "night" represents Yamato's darkness of being imprisoned on Onigashima, beaten by his father and physically, mentally and emotionally isolated from bonding with anyone else. The experiences Yamato suffered that brought him closer to despair each day embodied the "night".
The "Moon" took the form of "Kozuki Oden" which Yamato coated his fears in through the gesture of becoming Oden. Oden's journal epitomized Yamato's salvation and hope in the future. Within the pages, Oden wrote of events that will take place in over 20 years where powerful pirates leading the next generation will come swarming into the New World to challenge and defeat Kaido. This is why Yamato has been waiting and fighting for this moment for over 20 years. It represents the light guiding them within the darkness. The "Moon" can also take the representation of Monkey D. Luffy. Two years ago when Ace died, Yamato realised how important Luffy was and finally was able to put a face to the figure Oden wished to open Wano for. Since this realisation, Luffy became the salvation for Yamato hence why Yamato targeted Luffy before anyone else when the Samurai Rebellion came to Onigashima, told Luffy he had been waiting a long time for him and declared to Luffy that he wishes to fight on Luffy's side. Yamato understands the role Luffy embodies and seeks to embrace that light.
The reason Yamato never knew the "Night" (complete darkness) is because a Moon always existed in the darkness for him (Oden, the nameless Samurai, Ace and Luffy). Yamato being the one who prepared the drinks Ace and him bonded through seems genuinely possible.
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And would you look at that, Yamato delivering her self brewed sake to old ladies. :ninja:
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And would you look at that, Yamato delivering her self brewed sake to old ladies. :ninja:
Ah, didn't realize that was meant to be a sake barrel, assuming it is one.
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The more I think about Master Brewer, the more plausible it seems, especially when you bring into the equation Oden.
There is a certain statement Oden made during his final words that may have influenced Yamato into pursuing a particular profession. Before the iconic "I AM ODEN AND I WAS BORN…TO BOIL" farewell that he yelled, he expressed a very curious statement to Kaido.
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! https://12dimension.files.wordpress.com/2022/05/one_piece_v96_ch972_p017.jpgYeah, I thought that too, as if it's set-up for for at least two people to talk about Oden's story over drinks.
Also, speaking of which, just found this funny coincidence.
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And would you look at that, Yamato delivering her self brewed sake to old ladies. :ninja:
[qimg]https://abload.de/img/2022-05-0620_46_28-wil4ko5.png[/qimg]
Cats on the cover! Someone bring out that old cover that shows various One Piece characters as cats as definite prof that Yamato will join asap :ninja:
I need that cover like yesterday people!
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I mean, even if we don't particularly value it, that doesn't guarantee the story won't. Each cremates profession seems to be built up as if they're a "master" at something, like master swordsman or master shipwright, if not, exceptional as if there's no one else better for the job available, which may also apply to Yamato in case she also turns out to be a master brewer.
Why even the crew need a brewer… I mean Sanji is a cook, he can surely brew some beer etc. Tbh Carrot (for example) as a scout is more believable (not to mention useful) than a brewer.
Why can Yamato or anyone else join just as a fighter? Do you see other crews? Where is their navigator, cook, doctor etc? All they have are fighters.
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Why even the crew need a brewer… I mean Sanji is a cook, he can surely brew some beer etc. Tbh Carrot (for example) as a scout is more believable (not to mention useful) than a brewer.
If Sanji brewed, he wouldn't have mentioned they were out of alcohol to begin with. Besides, Luffy has cremates like musician. The don't need to be the same as "scout" to be "useful." lol
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Why even the crew need a brewer… I mean Sanji is a cook, he can surely brew some beer etc. Tbh Carrot (for example) as a scout is more believable (not to mention useful) than a brewer.
Why can Yamato or anyone else join just as a fighter? Do you see other crews? Where is their navigator, cook, doctor etc? All they have are fighters.
No need of Scout when they have Usopp
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Ah yes, Carrot the useful scout
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@$;4181602']No need of Scout when they have Usopp
Also, I originally wasn’t going to say this, but after realizing how long I’ve been seeing it, I have to mention that it’s getting a little ridiculous how often Carrot is getting brought up to counter just about any point with Yamato, as if Carrot is at war with Yamato. lol
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Also, I originally wasn’t going to say this, but after realizing how long I’ve been seeing it, I have to mention that it’s getting a little ridiculous how often Carrot is getting brought up to counter just about any point with Yamato, as if Carrot is at war with Yamato. lol
I think it's because we're in an unusual case where there's two popular choices for the next crewmate who aren't competing for the same role like Franky and Paulie were, and the reasons why people view each character as being likely happen to be reasons why the other seems unlikely.
Carrot:
- strong bond with the crew, or at least the Whole Cake Island team (especially Nami, Chopper, and Sanji)
- very clear potential for a role on the crew (lookout)
- not much of a bond with Luffy (a few little moments, but not much)
- not much focus during Wano (even her plotline that had been built up since WCI was resolved in a way that seems weirdly pessimistic for One Piece)
Yamato:
- a large amount of focus since the character's introduction
- a strong bond with Luffy (at least, he trusts Yamato and said he owes him one, and Yamato knows Luffy's big dream that Roger also had)
- the rest of the crew barely knows that Yamato exists
- no clear role on the crew (sake brewer feels like a stretch to me - it seems like saying that the crew really needs a diplomat, scientist, or astronomer because someone really wants Vivi, Caesar Clown, or Monet to join and is working backwards from that)
I'd love it if both of them joined, but regardless of which one joins, or if both of them do, it's definitely being handled in a weird way. (I've only been around for Franky, Brook, and Jinbei joining, but in those cases, you could clearly call it well in advance, whereas in these cases, it feels like some significant pieces are missing from the puzzle)
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@$;4181602']No need of Scout when they have Usopp
Hey, I picked Carrot just as an example. Brewer… is stretching imo. Someone else said, the crew has no alcohol? Just buy them. Its not like they need very high class booze or the booze gives them super powers etc.
What I meant is, booze is not important imo.Just add Yams or anyone else as one more frontline fighter. Easy. No need for super specialized crewmember.
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I think it's because we're in an unusual case where there's two popular choices for the next crewmate who aren't competing for the same role like Franky and Paulie were, and the reasons why people view each character as being likely happen to be reasons why the other seems unlikely.
Carrot:
- strong bond with the crew, or at least the Whole Cake Island team (especially Nami, Chopper, and Sanji)
- very clear potential for a role on the crew (lookout)
- not much of a bond with Luffy (a few little moments, but not much)
- not much focus during Wano (even her plotline that had been built up since WCI was resolved in a way that seems weirdly pessimistic for One Piece)
Yamato:
- a large amount of focus since the character's introduction
- a strong bond with Luffy (at least, he trusts Yamato and said he owes him one, and Yamato knows Luffy's big dream that Roger also had)
- the rest of the crew barely knows that Yamato exists
- no clear role on the crew (sake brewer feels like a stretch to me - it seems like saying that the crew really needs a diplomat, scientist, or astronomer because someone really wants Vivi, Caesar Clown, or Monet to join and is working backwards from that)
I'd love it if both of them joined, but regardless of which one joins, or if both of them do, it's definitely being handled in a weird way. (I've only been around for Franky, Brook, and Jinbei joining, but in those cases, you could clearly call it well in advance, whereas in these cases, it feels like some significant pieces are missing from the puzzle)
I mean nothing stopping others from saying needing a lookout is a stretch when others like Usopp do the role just fine.
I don't think the crew barely getting to know Yamato at this point is a con, because again, most of the crew barely knowing Robin before Vivi left.
For that matter, Franky barely "bonded" with Luffy before the Straw Hats got the Sunny. Luffy was mostly focused on trying to rescue Robin and was mad at him most of the time because Franky hurting Usopp. I don't think that would count as the "bonding"/"getting to know" prerequisites some people deem as necessary.
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Hey, I picked Carrot just as an example. Brewer… is stretching imo. Someone else said, the crew has no alcohol? Just buy them. Its not like they need very high class booze or the booze gives them super powers etc.
What I meant is, booze is not important imo.Just add Yams or anyone else as one more frontline fighter. Easy. No need for super specialized crewmember.
Well again, if the answer is just to buy it, then why resort to getting alcohol from an alcohol making device?
You're also prob stretching it if thinking that Zoro wouldn't want homemade/high-class booze as if he doesn't value it. lol
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For that matter, Franky barely "bonded" with Luffy before the Straw Hats got the Sunny. Luffy was mostly focused on trying to rescue Robin and was mad at him most of the time because Franky hurting Usopp. I don't think that would count as the "bonding"/"getting to know" prerequisites some people deem as necessary.
Plus, he encouraged Usopp and Robin to return to the crew, befriended Usopp, fought alongside Sanji, bonded with (and later saved) Chopper, helped Nami get the keys to save Zoro and Usopp, and was entrusted by Luffy to save Robin, which he literally did. Then, he kept battling alongside the crew against the Buster Call captains. And, to cap it off, promised the Straw Hats to make them a brand new ship.
Luffy started liking him after all that. Still, it required the Franky Family to ask the Straw Hats to invite Franky before Luffy considered the idea. He had no particular bond with Luffy then, but he had proven himself not only to him, but to almost the entire crew and the reader at that point.
And, from a meta perspective, at that point Franky already had gotten a full flashback, lots of character quirks, a dream, and a clear profession.
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I haven't commented on the brewer thing yet, so here it is:
I find the idea somewhat amusing. Those panels are not enough to say Yamato has that profession, or even that the Straw Hats need it. It feels like a stretch, it's like suggesting he's logkeeper because he read a journal, but if it's confirmed that he has such an ability, it may increase his chances indeed. The Blackbeard pirates even have Vasco Shot as their own potential brewmaster, after all. At this point in the story all "must-have" professions have been fulfilled, so a less important one wouldn't feel weird.
There's some things in the way, however. Where did he practice his craft, since he was in the run? Who taught it to him? We did see his hidden shrine and there was nothing there suggesting such a profession. Plus, in a place like Onigashima there's probably lots of alcohol available to appease Kaido and throw his parties, so Yamato may have just taken some from Kaido's stashes rather than made his own brew..
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Plus, he encouraged Usopp and Robin to return to the crew, befriended Usopp, fought alongside Sanji, bonded with (and later saved) Chopper, helped Nami get the keys to save Zoro and Usopp, and was entrusted by Luffy to save Robin, which he literally did. Then, he kept battling alongside the crew against the Buster Call captains. And, to cap it off, promised the Straw Hats to make them a brand new ship.
Luffy started liking him after all that. Still, it required the Franky Family to ask the Straw Hats to invite Franky before Luffy considered the idea. He had no particular bond with Luffy then, but he had proven himself not only to him, but to almost the entire crew and the reader at that point.
And, from a meta perspective, at that point Franky already had gotten a full flashback, lots of character quirks, a dream, and a clear profession.
Yep, and Robin much less since Chopper didn't even know who she was until Vivi left too.
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I haven't commented on the brewer thing yet, so here it is:
I find the idea somewhat amusing. Those panels are not enough to say Yamato has that profession, or even that the Straw Hats need it. It feels like a stretch, it's like suggesting he's logkeeper because he read a journal, but if it's confirmed that he has such an ability, it may increase his chances indeed. The Blackbeard pirates even have Vasco Shot as their own potential brewmaster, after all. At this point in the story all "must-have" professions have been fulfilled, so a less important one wouldn't feel weird.
There's some things in the way, however. Where did he practice his craft, since he was in the run? Who taught it to him? We did see his hidden shrine and there was nothing there suggesting such a profession. Plus, in a place like Onigashima there's probably lots of alcohol available to appease Kaido and throw his parties, so Yamato may have just taken some from Kaido's stashes rather than made his own brew..
I still think it lends a little more of a hint to Yamato's skills and role because of the labels, Chapter 999 title, and Zoro finding the alcohol brewing device after Sanji point out they had no alcohol with them, because Yamato hasn't really been hinted to write journals of her own beyond Oden's journal if you ask me.
I think it is more possible since Kaido is based on a certain oni who drank a lot, meaning that Yamato could have been surrounded by people constantly making sake for Kaido and might have been even ordered be Kaido to make sake for him at certain points, which is when she might have learned it, on the presumption that homemade sake tends to be more favorable than store bought ones.
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This may sound dumb, but once Yamato is finally free of Kaido, would she still use her kanabo, or switch to something like an Odachi to be more like Oden in being a swordsman?
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Yep, and Robin much less since Chopper didn't even know who she was until Vivi left too.
Robin will always be the odd one out.
It's hard to compare her to anyone because there were no hints of her joining, the only signs could only be perceived in hindsight.
It's pretty different from a character saying he wants to join in his second chapter and then having 50+ chapters later to flesh it out.
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This may sound dumb, but once Yamato is finally free of Kaido, would she still use her kanabo, or switch to something like an Odachi to be more like Oden in being a swordsman?
I haven’t recognized any hint or sign she’d get rid of it. She seems comfortable in using it at this point actually.
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Robin will always be the odd one out.
It's hard to compare her to anyone because there were no hints of her joining, the only signs could only be perceived in hindsight.
It's pretty different from a character saying he wants to join in his second chapter and then having 50+ chapters later to flesh it out.
In that case, I’m sure Yamato can be her own odd man out too, which I suppose is nice.
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In that case, I’m sure Yamato can be her own odd man out too, which I suppose is nice.
The thing is that "this time will be different" is a poor argument. It can justify pretty much everyone, from Smoker to Carrot to Bon Kurei.
Every Straw Hat has some uniqueness in how they join, Oda doesn't copy and paste their plot points in their entirety. However, some checkboxes are common in many of them, which works as a basis for predictions. At least fulfilling some of those checkboxes help define candidates.
Which is why, for instance, you are trying to assign a profession to Yamato. It's a checkbox, and every checkbox filled up makes the chances stronger.
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The thing is that "this time will be different" is a poor argument.
Welp, hope to find a better one then. Thanks.
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I'd like to comment that I don't think the "Yamato4Nakama" discussion should boil down to the binary of:
1. Yamato will stay at Wano
2. Yamato will become a Strawhat NakamaI don't agree that these are the only 2 options.
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I have a different take altogether, drawing inspiration from both sides of the discussion:
-Yamato will absolutely set out to sea.
-Yamato will do so as Momonosuke's personal bodyguard.
-Momo and Yamato will board Luffy's ship as "guests."I believe this because Momonosuke's role in the Dawn is insanely important. He's much more than just the Shogun of Wano, but a leader of the coming Dawn. So, I don't think he'll just stay at Wano, but instead will travel with Joyboy (Luffy), as his special powers alluded to in Oden's journal are likely necessary to save the world. This top-tier level of importance could necessitate a personally-assigned bodyguard, and there's no one better for this task than Yamato. Not only is Yamato the strongest warrior Wano has to offer, but Yamato has also inherited Oden's will, and you can be sure that if Oden were alive today he'd be protecting Wano's most important person (because they're one of the Dawn's most important people), who also coincidentally happens to be his son! I also don't think it's any coincidence that Yamato ended up with a DF known as the "Guardian God" of Wano. This means Yamato's role will be to take Oden's place in the Dawn…
In other words, Yamato can set out to sea with Luffy, while also being Momo's bodyguard. These concepts are not mutually exclusive. It involves Yamato not being a Strawhat Nakama, but having a different role to play in the grand scheme of things.
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Separately from this, I also believe it's being setup that Vivi will become the final member of the SH crew.
She's already been officially anointed as Nakama, and only avoided boarding Luffy's ship because she had her freshly-liberated homeland to stay at. But what if something happens to Alabasta? If she couldn't return there, she'd absolutely join the SH's ship, no questions asked. When you consider that Imu is holding her photo while the Gorousei ask which light to erase from history…we should probably expect her to be in a bit of trouble, to which Luffy would certainly save her from. It seems obvious, even, that she'll rejoin when you consider: (1)She is depicted alongside the Strawhat Nakama on the Official One Piece Youtube banner, (2) She has a position etched out in the Vivre Card Databooks as a Strawhat Nakama, and most importantly (3) She asked the SH's if they'd still consider her a Nakama one day in the future, to which they replied a resounding "Yes."
She could be the "diplomat" of the crew. And she (or Carue potentially) could even eat a Logia Devil Fruit, finally bringing that long-awaited DF-type to the main crew.
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I haven't seen anybody else say something along these lines in the hundreds (upon hundreds) of pages discussing any of this.
So, I'm interested to hear what you all have to say.
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@Shin10:
I'd like to comment that I don't think the "Yamato4Nakama" discussion should boil down to the binary of:
1. Yamato will stay at Wano
2. Yamato will become a Strawhat NakamaI don't agree that these are the only 2 options.
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I have a different take altogether, drawing inspiration from both sides of the discussion:
-Yamato will absolutely set out to sea.
-Yamato will do so as Momonosuke's personal bodyguard.
-Momo and Yamato will board Luffy's ship as "guests."I believe this because Momonosuke's role in the Dawn is insanely important. He's much more than just the Shogun of Wano, but a leader of the coming Dawn. So, I don't think he'll just stay at Wano, but instead will travel with Joyboy (Luffy), as his special powers alluded to in Oden's journal are likely necessary to save the world. This top-tier level of importance could necessitate a personally-assigned bodyguard, and there's no one better for this task than Yamato. Not only is Yamato the strongest warrior Wano has to offer, but Yamato has also inherited Oden's will, and you can be sure that if Oden were alive today he'd be protecting Wano's most important person (because they're one of the Dawn's most important people), who also coincidentally happens to be his son! I also don't think it's any coincidence that Yamato ended up with a DF known as the "Guardian God" of Wano. This means Yamato's role will be to take Oden's place in the Dawn…
In other words, Yamato can set out to sea with Luffy, while also being Momo's bodyguard. These concepts are not mutually exclusive. It involves Yamato not being a Strawhat Nakama, but having a different role to play in the grand scheme of things.
I do agree that Momo could help out Wano not just by always staying in it, similar to Yamato. Even Vivi left Alabasta for Reverie since it was in support of her dad who's currently the king, and I think there would be a little more weight behind that at this point seeing as how both were left perplexed by the missing info from Oden's journal and why Oden would want the country opened for Joy Boy, in addition to what they laughed at at Laugh Tale.
I still think Momo, Hyogoro, and the others could handle themselves well without Yamato, and Luffy can always just claim Wano as his territory anyway, but I can also still see to the idea of Momo and Yamato going to Laugh Tale together and better understand how to help Wano out.
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I mean nothing stopping others from saying needing a lookout is a stretch when others like Usopp do the role just fine.
I don't think the crew barely getting to know Yamato at this point is a con, because again, most of the crew barely knowing Robin before Vivi left.
For that matter, Franky barely "bonded" with Luffy before the Straw Hats got the Sunny. Luffy was mostly focused on trying to rescue Robin and was mad at him most of the time because Franky hurting Usopp. I don't think that would count as the "bonding"/"getting to know" prerequisites some people deem as necessary.
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Well again, if the answer is just to buy it, then why resort to getting alcohol from an alcohol making device?
You're also prob stretching it if thinking that Zoro wouldn't want homemade/high-class booze as if he doesn't value it.
Lol. Everyone talks about alcohol and alcohol brewing like its super important to the crew. It's… really not.
Only Zoro drinks sake regularly (and even then not in every scene he has), everyone else drinks when its on a party. And still you consider it vital for a seafaring journey.Oh and do remember sake making is a lengthy process, the fermentation alone could take months even years. You talk like brewing sake is easily done in 1-2 hours like cooking a dinner... no it isn't. Does the crew has such a long free time for waiting?
Lookout is more important... but you know Oda does not even focus on that.
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I mean nothing stopping others from saying needing a lookout is a stretch when others like Usopp do the role just fine.
I don't think the crew barely getting to know Yamato at this point is a con, because again, most of the crew barely knowing Robin before Vivi left.
For that matter, Franky barely "bonded" with Luffy before the Straw Hats got the Sunny. Luffy was mostly focused on trying to rescue Robin and was mad at him most of the time because Franky hurting Usopp. I don't think that would count as the "bonding"/"getting to know" prerequisites some people deem as necessary.
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Well again, if the answer is just to buy it, then why resort to getting alcohol from an alcohol making device?
You're also prob stretching it if thinking that Zoro wouldn't want homemade/high-class booze as if he doesn't value it. lol
The whole bonding stance has always been ridiculous to me and not a con for Yamato.
Not every straw hat has bonded with Luffy or the crew before joining. Several of them have bonded with Luffy after the fact.
There’s absolutely no pattern to that argument that actually has support from the story. Especially when ppl have their own ideas of what bonding is and consists of let alone settling on a definition.
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@Johnny:
This may sound dumb, but once Yamato is finally free of Kaido, would she still use her kanabo, or switch to something like an Odachi to be more like Oden in being a swordsman?
You would think wanting to be Oden and despising his father would completely throw Yamato in to the Oden two sword style when it comes to weapons but for some reason he’s pretty more familiar with Kaido.
I don’t think Yamato has any kind of identity crisis or any dispute that he’ll drop the Oden idolizing since I feel like Oda sees it as a joke that’s funny (at least to him) and funny enough to be the signature comedy gag for the new crew member so I expect more of it.
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@Zik:
The whole bonding stance has always been ridiculous to me and not a con for Yamato.
Not every straw hat has bonded with Luffy or the crew before joining. Several of them have bonded with Luffy after the fact.
There’s absolutely no pattern to that argument that actually has support from the story. Especially when ppl have their own ideas of what bonding is and consists of let alone settling on a definition.
Yep, not even Water 7 being wrecked after Aqua Laguna and Iceburg growing up as a brother to Franky as shipwrights was enough for Franky to stay behind in the end, and that Luffy doesn't ask for much in wanting people to join him like how him and Usopp fighting Kuro's forces together was enough for Luffy to invite Usopp despite not knowing him for too long either. Having crewmates join isn't really any more complicated than timing and instinct honestly. lol
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Outside of initial awkwardness meeting Momo, absolutely nothing in the story has framed Yamato's idolizing and wanting to be Oden as a bad thing that he needs to stop doing, the opposite in fact, that its a super impactful respectable dream. That he's been living for twenty years and that the badguy wants to stop.
And he still declares his name is also Yamato, so its not like a fully blown identity crisis.
I'm not a fan of it but it doesn't need to go anywhere. Especially since he'll only need to make it work for a few years, unlike say, Zoro getting lost, Sanji's nosebleeds, Brook's panty jokes, etc.
Maybe knowing the scabbards and Momo are alive he will switch from "I AM Oden" to "I am LIKE Oden" and that's enough… but I hope his remaining a man stays as a character trait.
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Maybe knowing the scabbards and Momo are alive he will switch from "I AM Oden" to "I am LIKE Oden" and that's enough… but I hope his remaining a man stays as a character trait.
I agree with you here, and it's nice to see someone else that feels this way. While a lot of theories have been put forth, we still don't conclusively know why Kaido also sees Yamato as his son as opposed to his daughter, and I personally do expect Oda will answer this question for us within the story.
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Outside of initial awkwardness meeting Momo, absolutely nothing in the story has framed Yamato's idolizing and wanting to be Oden as a bad thing that he needs to stop doing, the opposite in fact, that its a super impactful respectable dream. That he's been living for twenty years and that the badguy wants to stop.
And he still declares his name is also Yamato, so its not like a fully blown identity crisis.
I'm not a fan of it but it doesn't need to go anywhere. Especially since he'll only need to make it work for a few years, unlike say, Zoro getting lost, Sanji's nosebleeds, Brook's panty jokes, etc.
Maybe knowing the scabbards and Momo are alive he will switch from "I AM Oden" to "I am LIKE Oden" and that's enough… but I hope his remaining a man stays as a character trait.
It's not so much idolizing Oden that's a bad thing, but trying to take on someone else's identity as if you shouldn't be true to yourself, and that you have to literally be someone else in order to achieve great things and carry on their will. That would be like Chopper wanting to be human as if he shouldn't try to stay true to himself and not accept himself for who he is at heart, as opposed to being comfortable with yourself for who you really are. I think it would put it more into perspective if Chopper kept calling him "Hiriluk", which Chopper didn't do, because Chopper doesn't need to do that to carry on Hiriluk's will and I think the same could apply to Yamato too.
It's something I think wouldn't be too far from what Luffy was feeling when he was telling her she can't be Kozuki Oden. Also, although Kaido might have said it for a different reason, I think him talking about how taking on Oden's name and how it can be a burden could have some truth to it in a way, because trying to juggle your own name with someone else's name isn't exactly a comfortable life to lead.
If nothing else, Yamato only tried juggling Oden's name with herself because she was desperate to carry on his will. I really don't think it would make sense for her to be more inclined to keep taking on his name like that after Kaido is defeated and Wano is liberated.
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Yamato will join. Her role will be being the destroyer of fanfic M3 and wings… The dream a lot of people had since Robin will finally be archived
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Yamato will join. Her role will be being the destroyer of fanfic M3 and wings… The dream a lot of people had since Robin will finally be archived
I honestly don't care how much people give fanfare to wing and trio nicknames, as long as that doesn't stop Yamato from joining the crew. I understand something similar was being said about Jinbe previously, in that he didn't deserve to join because he'd "destroy" the monster trio dynamic, whatever that even means. lol
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I honestly don't care how much people give fanfare to wing and trio nicknames, as long as that doesn't stop Yamato from joining the crew. I understand something similar was being said about Jinbe previously, in that he didn't deserve to join because he'd "destroy" the monster trio dynamic, whatever that even means. lol
And both will or has joined and nothing changed/will change.
And I am a day one supporter of both
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If anyone, Yamato's the one that deserves to witness Kaido's fall with her own eyes, which I guess is the reason why she left Momo again, and since Oda has been kind of redundant these days, I could see a Yamato flashback next chapter, along with(hopefully) Luffy defeating Kaido for good.
Abandoning Momo is pretty much the most consistent of Yamato's traits, really points to the story going in one direction only.
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If anyone, Yamato's the one that deserves to witness Kaido's fall with her own eyes, which I guess is the reason why she left Momo again, and since Oda has been kind of redundant these days, I could see a Yamato flashback next chapter, along with(hopefully) Luffy defeating Kaido for good.
Abandoning Momo is pretty much the most consistent of Yamato's traits, really points to the story going in one direction only.
Yeah, I wouldn’t doubt the possibility of Oda setting up a moment with Yamato like Nami seeing Arlong Park fall or Robin seeing the World Goverment flag getting burned down.
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If anyone, Yamato's the one that deserves to witness Kaido's fall with her own eyes, which I guess is the reason why she left Momo again, and since Oda has been kind of redundant these days, I could see a Yamato flashback next chapter, along with(hopefully) Luffy defeating Kaido for good.
Abandoning Momo is pretty much the most consistent of Yamato's traits, really points to the story going in one direction only.
He has abandoned Momo as many times as he has returned to Momo… Just because he wasn’t in the only panel that showed Momo’s partial body in last chapter doesn’t mean he left again.
And him being with Momo does not mean he can’t witness Kaido’s defeat. Momo deserves to see it just as much.
Well, the resolution is hopefully near. We will see it soon(ish).
Eight chapters or less to go, I’d expect.
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He has abandoned Momo as many times as he has returned to Momo… Just because he wasn’t in the only panel that showed Momo’s partial body in last chapter doesn’t mean he left again.
And him being with Momo does not mean he can’t witness Kaido’s defeat. Momo deserves to see it just as much.
Well, the resolution is hopefully near. We will see it soon(ish).
Eight chapters or less to go, I’d expect.
Yamato was standing in Momo's head and scolded Momo for not trying to make flame clouds hard enough.
Yamato is clearly not longer there, cause Momo's smashing his head(where Yamato was) towards Onigashima and also Yamato would've scolded him for doing something that stupid.
Also Momo cannot actually move from there(that is unless Zunesha arrives), cause when Kaido goes unconsciouss, his flame clouds will be gone, and Onigashima will just fall.
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She was standing on his back/neck (wherever the one ends and the other starts on a dragon…) when she scolded him...
So that one panel doesn't mean anything...