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Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 8 - Onigashima)
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Is it? Law is beloved pretty much everywhere but this forum.
Also didn't Oda mention that there would be an episode of Ace in Wano?
Hey man in this brave new world where Marineford is apparently the greatest OP arc i don't know what is what anymore. Maybe he is now the super fan favorite and not the Bleach refugee/pick up artist expy that can only exist in a place that doesn't do sarcasm
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For me, this is especially apparent in an arc where Oda has made 2 (one prominent, one somewhat so) female designs that are very distinctive in Hiyori and Tsuru. It doesn't mean she's not going to be a Straw Hat, but in a thread devoted to discussing the possibilities, it's certainly worth exploring.
I don't know about others but I often mistake Hiyori with Robin.
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I just find it weird for Yamatos logic to join Luffy would basically be the same as Tamas, minus the emotional attachment to Luffy.
Also wondering how Yamato would interact with Ace’s self proclaimed BFF Tama and Odens son Momonosuke…
Recently I saw a theory online where Yamato and Tama are the same person and time shenanigans are involved.
So maybe that's how they both join, technically.
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I think the whole point of NW is that it's not a game anymore like pre ts, they are not taking on the strongest pirates in the world with … 8 years olds.
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I just find it weird for Yamatos logic to join Luffy would basically be the same as Tamas, minus the emotional attachment to Luffy.
Also wondering how Yamato would interact with Ace’s self proclaimed BFF Tama and Odens son Momonosuke…
I got the feeling Tama and Yamato already know each other, I mean, is unlikely that Ace ever invaded Onigashima on its own, so I think Yamato went to Kuri to collect Oden stuff and found Ace instead.
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Tama being eight years old, Yamato being eight when witnessing Oden's greatness, Tama's name being part of Yamato, coincidence? I don't think so!
Maybe she's like Onimaru. :ninja:There's the whole thing with the kokeshi dolls having to do something with dead children also.
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Tama being eight years old, Yamato being eight when witnessing Oden's greatness, Tama's name being part of Yamato, coincidence? I don't think so!
Maybe she's like Onimaru. :ninja:And they both met Ace and had the same story about wanting to join his crew and not being able to. At the same time.
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Tobi= Obito again huh!:ninja:
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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Tobi= Obito again huh!:ninja:
It was right last time!
Only problem is explainint the time shenanigans, cuz the only time fruit we have so far doesn't quite explain how two versions of the same person could exist in the same point of the timeline.
But it's time travel, man. Everything is possible.
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What's more lame; Yamato looking like Nami or the parallel with Tama?
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Tama can be Kaido's other child though, unknown to him.
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Tama can be Kaido's other child though, unknown to him.
How? I think it's more likely that she is Orochi's child but I think it would be better if that sort of thing doesn't come up for her. Just let her become a cool little ninja. :ninja:
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It's inevitable, it has to be part of her past, in order for her to join. :ninja:
She won't join until the epilogue though. :ninja:
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I read that Law was a Bleach refugee and now I can't unsee it. Oda has focused on Law more, but I like Capone more if I had to choose
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If I had to rank Supernova characters, of course Zoro and Luffy would come first because I know their personalities so well.
11 Hawkins - no meat to his bones, he's boring. Kid made an attempt to fight Kaido, Apoo set them up. This guy was just there. Almost every scene, he's just there. He puts more effort into being a lackey/subordinate
10 Drake - 2 faced, gossip behind your back, can't trust em
9 Bonney - she's got balls
8 Urouge - don't know why everything he says is funny to me
7 Kid - sticks to his script
6 Apoo - survivor
5 Killer - level headed, but also a murderer
4 Law
3 Capone
2 Luffy
1 ZoroI feel like there's gonna be a time where things are going smoothly for Capone and this thing shows up to remind and humble him.
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I feel like there's gonna be a time where things are going smoothly for Capone and this thing shows up to remind and humble him.
[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/q01LPMa.gif[/qimg]Speaking of it, I think we are still going to visit Raijin Island and this… thing... Capone visited.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Speaking of which, I think we are still going to visit Raijin Island and this… thing... Capone visited.
Isn't that where Smoker waited for Luffy? I'm guessing that will be part of Urouge's narrative. I think Oda addresses, in some capacity, what some of the Supernova endured during the timeskip. The Rocky Port incident, this for Capone and Raijin Island for Urouge.
We got Brownbeard, which was what Hawkins last dealt with and the Beast Pirates (Drake). There's a lot of ways to address these things.
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The cultural gap truly is vast.
I don't get it how You guys don't Like law when he is zolo and Robin mashed into one. With a chopper cherry on top.
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Isn't that where Smoker waited for Luffy? I'm guessing that will be part of Urouge's narrative. I think Oda addresses, in some capacity, what some of the Supernova endured during the timeskip. The Rocky Port incident, this for Capone and Raijin Island for Urouge.
We got Brownbeard, which was what Hawkins last dealt with and the Beast Pirates (Drake). There's a lot of ways to address these things.
The Rocky Port incident alvo involves Coby, so I think he will explain what was that at some point.
About Raijin Island, yes, it was where Smoker expected to find Luffy, which almost worked, but Luffy ended up in Punk Hazard, a phantom island no log pointed to.
However, Raijin Island holds some importance. We saw Urouge there, and he's a character bound to still have a role in the main story. But we also saw Roger's crew there in Oden's flashback, after they had gotten through Sky Piea and Fishman Island, so it must have some meaning. There's probably a Poneglyph there.
Due to the Reverie events, I feel we are going back to the Red Line after Wano. That may prove an opportunity to explore places we had skipped before, since the entirety of the New World adventure didn't follow the logs, and they are key to reach Lodestar, another place we may yet visit.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I don't get it how You guys don't Like law when he is zolo and Robin mashed into one. With a chopper cherry on top.
I guess he's kind of boring next to just about everyone else. He doesn't have any real quirks. There are things he doesn't like that end up being brought out when the Straw Hats are near him, but those things again are part of his dryness. The quirkiness of Robin and Zoro are about things they actually like and things they do. I don't dislike Law, but I get it.
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Law is a fine secondary character. He's the serious business guy that enhances the comedy by just being there to contrast with the funny protagonist.
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Personally i'd say Law is terrible in oh so many ways but this isn't even about that. It is more about how in a world populated by so many huge personalities and imaginative designs this dull ass patchwork of cool guy tropes gets ranked number two most interesting
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Is it weird that when I first saw Law in the manga that all I could think about was how he looked and acted so much like Trent Lane from Daria?
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Personally i'd say Law is terrible in oh so many ways but this isn't even about that. It is more about how in a world populated by so many huge personalities and imaginative designs this dull ass patchwork of cool guy tropes gets ranked number two most interesting
It really shouldn't be surprising considering how focused the story was on him at the time. It is amusing though that Sanji couldn't do the same when the story was focused on him.
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The Rocky Port incident alvo involves Coby, so I think he will explain what was that at some point.
About Raijin Island, yes, it was where Smoker expected to find Luffy, which almost worked, but Luffy ended up in Punk Hazard, a phantom island no log pointed to.
However, Raijin Island holds some importance. We saw Urouge there, and he's a character bound to still have a role in the main story. But we also saw Roger's crew there in Oden's flashback, after they had gotten through Sky Piea and Fishman Island, so it must have some meaning. There's probably a Poneglyph there.
Due to the Reverie events, I feel we are going back to the Red Line after Wano. That may prove an opportunity to explore places we had skipped before, since the entirety of the New World adventure didn't follow the logs, and they are key to reach Lodestar, another place we may yet visit.
I remember Koby being referred to as the hero, while Law is the mastermind. The fact that Oda continues to thread this and the Raijin Island through the story mean they are bound to be brought up again.
With the amount of Royals introduced for the Reverie and threads with no closure, I see the crew returning to a pace that is more of their speed, post Yonko Saga. Shanks became a Yonko 6 years ago, but WB said that Shanks had already made a name in the New World before he met Luffy. This can possibly mean that the crew has to explore different parts of the world and take it 1 step at a time as Rayleigh said.
I'm waiting to see what Luffy decides to do with the info of the 3 Road PGs. Something may demand his action like Ace did or they will randomly travel as they used to. I don't think this becomes a race for the 4th PG. It doesn't sound like Luffy
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Is it weird that when I first saw Law in the manga that all I could think about was how he looked and acted so much like Trent Lane from Daria?
He was very different pre-timeskip though. He seemed more a "chill guy" while in the post-timeskip he became a "dark and serious guy"
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Law is a Bleach refugee but it's okay because he is used as a straight man in the character dynamics (which in One Piece means being tortured by all the wacky characters around him).
Plus he is better written than 99% of Bleach characters.
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Law's ability to tamper with things in a specified space as he does is similar to Orihime's "healing" ability in Bleach, but more closer to what Hachigen does
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It also doesn't help that Law has one of the worst DF-abilities in regards to brokenness - second only to Sugar.
It's so broken that Oda had to limit the powers by adding an MP/stamina bar.
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It's true that Law changed personality after Sabaody. He seemed laid-back and careless back then. But his current serious personality was already in place when he reappeared in Marineford to rescue Luffy and Jinbe. I guess Oda had not fully defined the Supernovas' personalities before that, but we can handwave it as Law just being chilling in Sabaody, with no personal stakes at the time. Then, when going after his true objectives, he goes super serious.
Fun thing: back then, I imagined that Law had extracted Luffy's and Jinbe's hearts to blackmail or control them later. I theorized he was able to do it even way before the story confirmed he could do it in Punk Hazard.
I still think he did that, and wouldn't be surprised if, by the end of Wano, Law reveals he had Luffy's and Jinbe's hearts all this time, and then gives them back, finally considering Luffy a friend and not just an ally.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Fun thing: back then, I imagined that Law had extracted Luffy's and Jinbe's hearts to blackmail or control them later. I theorized he was able to do it even way before the story confirmed he could do it in Punk Hazard.
I still think he did that, and wouldn't be surprised if, by the end of Wano, Law reveals he had Luffy's and Jinbe's hearts all this time, and then gives them back, finally considering Luffy a friend and not just an ally.
Wouldn't they have, like, you know, giant gaping holes in their chests where their hearts would be if that were the case?
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Wouldn't they have, like, you know, giant gaping holes in their chests where their hearts would be if that were the case?
Law had plenty of time to do surgery on them while they were unconscious. He could very well carefully removed their hearts in a way that left no gaping hole on the outside.
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Right. Then Law would implant synthetic hearts so they wouldn't notice … All so he can flex.
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I don't think Law did that. Especially having into account that the alliance will no longer exist after they take Kaidou's head. He wouldn't just give the hearts back while patting on their backs saying "good job, here's your heart that I took from you two years ago without you even realising" xD.
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I don't think Law did that. Especially having into account that the alliance will no longer exist after they take Kaidou's head. He wouldn't just give the hearts back while patting on their backs saying "good job, here's your heart that I took from you two years ago without you even realising" xD.
No, the logic behind that is that Law would have taken their hearts to force them to cooperate should they meet again. Law is smart and scheming, he's dealing with pirates and "pirate alliances never end well", so the hearts would be his failsafe. However, upon encountering Luffy in the New World, Luffy just colaborated with him without need of leverage. Also, Luffy treated Law as a friend all this time, never as a mere ally of convenience. But there was never need to use his little trump card, and being ultimately a good guy, Law would finally reveal what he did and give Luffy and Jinbe's hearts back because he now considers the Straw Hats his friends. It's a nice way to conclude their alliance.
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No, the logic behind that is that Law would have taken their hearts to force them to cooperate should they meet again. Law is smart and scheming, he's dealing with pirates and "pirate alliances never end well", so the hearts would be his failsafe. However, upon encountering Luffy in the New World, Luffy just colaborated with him without need of leverage. Also, Luffy treated Law as a friend all this time, never as a mere ally of convenience. But there was never need to use his little trump card, and being ultimately a good guy, Law would finally reveal what he did and give Luffy and Jinbe's hearts back because he now considers the Straw Hats his friends. It's a nice way to conclude their alliance.
No it is not.
Law: " Your Live's have been in the palm of my hands for two years. Things worked out well so here is your hearts."
That is terrible.
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No, the logic behind that is that Law would have taken their hearts to force them to cooperate should they meet again. Law is smart and scheming, he's dealing with pirates and "pirate alliances never end well", so the hearts would be his failsafe. However, upon encountering Luffy in the New World, Luffy just colaborated with him without need of leverage. Also, Luffy treated Law as a friend all this time, never as a mere ally of convenience. But there was never need to use his little trump card, and being ultimately a good guy, Law would finally reveal what he did and give Luffy and Jinbe's hearts back because he now considers the Straw Hats his friends. It's a nice way to conclude their alliance.
Yea, but being that the case Law learned how he could trust Luffy back in Dressrosa, so that would be the perfect time he gave Luffy's heart back. Remember how he was ready to give his life away just to take Doflamingo down, and how he trusted the straw hats would defeat the shichibukai with no doubt.
Even when narratively and to the One Piece world taking Kaidou's head is much more important, to Law, the most important thing Luffy could do was to defeat Doflamingo himself and avenge his late beloved Corazon.
Plus, let's be honest, by the time he came to meet Luffy's actual personality and he stated that "an alliance is like being friends", he probably realised he could trust him, and would have given his heart back then (perhaps secretly in order not to look suspicious, though).
And in my opinion, at the end, Luffy will probably betray Law, in a childish way, but will do so anyway. Maybe this statement doesn't make so much sense but I feel it's gonna be like when they stole Skypiea's gold xD.
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Yeah, Law has warmed up to Luffy a lil, but I think he's not divulging info still. His escape seem shady, the Rocky Port Incident thread is still in motion and he still has a choice to make on how he'll live on after taking down Doffy. I see him more likely to be a rival that conveniently helps at times than a full blown ally or enemy after this.
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You know you have nothing to talk about when you start discussing Law, in what is supposed to be, the Next Nakama Thread.
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I think at the end Law will betray Luffy - by trying to perform the immortality operation on Luffy against his will.
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I don't usually post here so I may have missed a conversation on this but what do people think about the possibility of two more characters joining after Jinbe? I know everyone has been focused on Luffy's comment on 'about 10 men' and taking it as Luffy + 10 as the final straw hat count but the fact he uses 'about' meaning roughly 10 means it could go over or under. So I was curious what people though about that?
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I don't usually post here so I may have missed a conversation on this but what do people think about the possibility of two more characters joining after Jinbe? I know everyone has been focused on Luffy's comment on 'about 10 men' and taking it as Luffy + 10 as the final straw hat count but the fact he uses 'about' meaning roughly 10 means it could go over or under. So I was curious what people though about that?
The "about" 10 is just a translation issue, it's just "10 members" as far as I knkow. That said I'm highly convinced the crew will be 13: Luffy + 11 nakama + the ship.
The crew is called "Mugiwara no Ichimi" which is roughly "Strawhat Gang/Crew" but it could also be another wordplay of Oda's Ichi = 1, Mi = 3 so "Strawhat of 1,3"
If you look at the Sunny from both sides the soldier dock doors are normally 1 and 3 even after Franky reconfigured the Sunny during time-skip. Now the Soldier Dock doors when rotated go from 1 –> 2 --> 6 --> 3 --> 4 --> 5 instead of something more logical like numerical order (1,2,3,4,5,6) or odds and evens (1,3,5,2,4,6). All this makes me think there's some symbolic reasoning for why Oda keeps the doors defaulted to 1 and 3, probably to indicate the Sunny as #13. Luffy being #1, Zoro #2, ...., Jinbe #10, ????, Sunny #13. Makes sense that there's a #11 and #12.
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You know you have nothing to talk about when you start discussing Law, in what is supposed to be, the Next Nakama Thread.
Why though, just out of the blue.The timeline felt pretty straight forward. Robby reminded us that the Japanese tastemakers once voted Law to the absolute top of the character polls, i assumed it to be because the Japanese tastes differed from the west, Andre lovingly gaslighted me a bit about how everyone outside of AP also has Law in their top five, people chimed in and then it all kind of settled on he's so average it's okay. And here we are at the mandatory talking about what we talked about segment. Just another AP day chasing the conversational spark
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