It's Boa Hancock, guys. 
Don't be surprised when next arc turns out to be about her. 
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 8 - Onigashima)
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Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Welp, guess we can take out the last option on the poll:
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Just to reprise my thoughts on why Hancock seems likely:
! Why Hancock matters
I've been looking up to Hancock having a meaningful role in the story since her past as a slave was revealed. I only warmed up to her a nakama during Impel Down, thought, as her personality showed great potential for both drama and comedy. I was surprised to see her left behind, but, as in Jinbe's case, it then became clear that Oda was playing the long game.
! Before the timeskip, we got foreshadowed that Hancock losing her title would mean doom for Amazon Lily. Also, with her past as a slave, she had ties to the Celestial Dragon plotline, a thread that was also left dangling since Sabaody and still needs to be addressed in the main story. It's no coincidence that both stories are now returning.
! The flashback is coming…
Another thing to consider about Boa Hancock is that she's one of the few characters that is sure going to get her own flashback. When FIshman Island started, I was afraid that the most meaningful event of her past, the raid of Mary Geoise by Fisher Tiger, would be covered in Jinbe's flashback. Instead, to my not-so-surprise that exact event was refered but never covered. It got completely skipped, which means it is yet waiting to be shown and expanded.
! But Hancock's flashback won't just be about Fisher Tiger rampaging against the World Nobles. There's some small threads dangling about it. In Chapter Zero, we see a 7-year old Hancock telling her sisters they need to be even stronger to get on the Kuja ship. Ok, that, by itself, does not mean much. What's really strange is that Hancock and her sisters were kidnapped while on the ship, and, while you can say that a 12-year-old Hancock may have been strong enough to be accepted into it, what to say of 11-year-old Sanderonia or, worse yet, 9-year-old Marigold? No, I feel the sisters got on the ship as stowaways, were found out by the Kuja while on sea, and then kidnapped. If this theory is true, then what prompted the Boa sisters to wish to go to sea may be related to some sort of personal dream, and it could even mean that the younger sisters got onboard following Hancock, which would put her as feeling responsible for their enslavering and four years of suffering in Mary Geoise. That has a ton of potential for drama in a flashback and attonement in the present.
! Foreshadowing
Earlier today I said that I think the next nakama was hinted at way back in Chapter 97. Some people guessed right, I was talking about these panels:
! In those, Nami is experimenting several clothes from a store in Logue Town, only to reject them because they are not of her style. What really makes this foreshadowing is the fact that the first set of clothes (from right to left) is Robin's. The second one, we would learn many later, was based on Hancock's earlier concepts.
! Another interesting thing from the same time is that Oda, as the story was entering the Grand Line, was asked to draw "future opponents" in one of the Color Walks. He then drew this concept, which he would later confirm was intented to be Hancock at the time. Notice the color purple/violet scheme:
! I should also point out something that may be just coincidence, but Hancock's first appearance was in chapter 516, "The Pirate Empress, Boa Hancock", which featured the then-crewmates first appearances with the message: "A casual discovery…". Maybe it's nothing, as that was the first cover story after the crew's separation, but what if "A casual discovery" was a reference to a character being introduced to that chapter?
! Purple/Violet, in a subtle way
To make this already long post short, we essentially have a character that:- has both a dramatic past and comedic potential.
- Luffy treats as a friend, call by name (actually a plot point) and owes a huge debt to
- has a flashback waiting to be shown
- is at the right strength level to join the crew now
- has been following Luffy's exploits all this time, and even helped him, thus wouldn't be a total stranger to the crew's adventures
- has been planned by Oda since the early days of One Piece.
- has been foreshadowed at least once
- Bonus: her numbers are 9 and 2: her birthday is September 2nd (9-2, or "Ku-ja"). Ok, it's not the 2.9 DF, but it's still 2 and 9, uh?
! And, as a plus, always has at least some modicum of violet/purple in her clothes:
The Kuja symbol (magenta/purple) / The sash (light purple) and innards of the dress (violet)
! The violet sash / The violet/purple Marineford dress (exact tone changes per source)
! It's just my opinion, as always, but I know this for sure: even if she's not the last nakama, I'm sure she will have a big role soon. She could be the next "Trafalgar Law". -
ban the 36 people who voted none, jinbe is the last strawhat :devil: bye bye wolfwood
and then ban everyone else who are wrong, then itll end up with just me, evo, zhenya and sengokusgoat left in the forum, and we can circlejerk each other until the end of the series!
Oda never said the theory was right, only that it surprised him.
And I think it surprised him because 9-2 is "Ku-ja", as a reader had defined it as Hancock's birthday just a few volumes before.it should be 2,9 though.
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Welp, guess we can take out the last option on the poll:
Isn't this news over 20 years old?
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Oh i'll continue being a salty hater no matter which come lately tack on ends up being attached to the proper crew. My heart will never acknowledge anyone beyond Jinbro as being a strawhat. Unless that person is Vivi rejoining, cause thats alright, she's grandfathered in
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Oh i'll continue being a salty hater no matter which come lately tack on ends up being attached to the proper crew. My heart will never acknowledge anyone beyond Jinbro as being a strawhat. Unless that person is Vivi rejoining, cause thats alright, she's grandfathered in
you just foreshadowed Tamas tsuku tsuku (attach, 2.9) no mi fruit
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Oh i'll continue being a salty hater no matter which come lately tack on ends up being attached to the proper crew. My heart will never acknowledge anyone beyond Jinbro as being a strawhat. Unless that person is Vivi rejoining, cause thats alright, she's grandfathered in
The ultimate salt for you would be Im joining the crew and being replaced by a completely new big bad all within the last 10 chapters.
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A Carrot, Tama and Yamato war is on my timeline and I don't know why.
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A Carrot, Tama and Yamato war is on my timeline and I don't know why.
Right. We all know Momo is the one true New Nakama.
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A Carrot, Tama and Yamato war is on my timeline and I don't know why.
on twitter or? i would love to see what other people are saying about tama joining
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It's Boa Hancock, guys.
Don't be surprised when next arc turns out to be about her.
Good way to take Sanji out for good. :ninja:
It would just be an awful triangle, Hancock being in love with Luffy, Sanji being in love… with every woman, and permanently stoned (:ninja:).
It would be horrible.I don't even want to start with Nami and Robin...
This alone:
That wouldn't work out for anyone.
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If it is JUST one person, it's Vivi; But I think Vivi being 5.5 gives Oda a loophole. I dunno, I still feel strongly about Carrot and Smoker. So we'll see. I don't take 11 as the limit. Oda didn't invent Robin until after these sketches were made. It seems pretty clear now that the big guy in the other smaller sketch was Jimbei, not Franky. And there's someone erased standing next to him still.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
If it is JUST one person, it's Vivi; But I think Vivi being 5.5 gives Oda a loophole. I dunno, I still feel strongly about Carrot and Smoker. So we'll see. I don't take 11 as the limit. Oda didn't invent Robin until after these sketches were made. It seems pretty clear now that the big guy in the other smaller sketch was Jimbei, not Franky. And there's someone erased standing next to him still.
yeah, ill agree with Vivi's loophole. keep in my mind that the sketch were made before serialisation begun of one piece. the other sketch was made just at the start of the serialisation and it actually got 6 average sized people, just like the east blue strawhats + robin.
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yeah, ill agree with Vivi's loophole. keep in my mind that the sketch were made before serialisation begun of one piece. the other sketch was made just at the start of the serialisation and it actually got 6 average sized people, just like the east blue strawhats + robin.
Yeah, I agree; and as I understand, the clarification in the magazine is just that Luffy isn't included in his statement about ten. Which only means that Jimbei isn't the last. The 'one more to join' part is being added by fans. It can mean that, but not necessarily.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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Good way to take Sanji out for good. :ninja:
It would just be an awful triangle, Hancock being in love with Luffy, Sanji being in love… with every woman, and permanently stoned (:ninja:).
It would be horrible.I don't even want to start with Nami and Robin...
This alone:
[qimg]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEw3qg2WwAAopa1.png[/qimg]That wouldn't work out for anyone.
That's so wrong and limited. I trust Oda to be more creative with crew interactions than that.
To me, the family dinamic is kept. Hancock is the eldest sister, helping mom and taking care of the youngest children, but also in conflict with her siblings. As I imagine it could be:
Luffy: The usual: she's eager to please him while he's mostly ignoring her advances. Hancock's absent-mindedness, in which she ignores details and events because she's focused on Luffy, would be a recurring gag.
Zoro: No conflict. He's immune to her charm, and they'd reckon each others' strength and trust in Luffy. I can see them joining battle together and posing like badasses.
Nami: Rivalry, similar to Zoro and Sanji. They try to order each other around and engage in competition. Hancock is eager to please the captain, while Nami tries to be the voice of reason. Hancock belittles Nami's physical strength, but respects her navigator skills.
Usopp: Hancock reckons him as Luffy's best friend and asks advice on how to get Luffy's attention, leading to weird Usopp advice. She is, however, annoyed by his cowardice and decides to help him be brave and strong… by forcing him to train and putting him in dangerous situations. She also helps him understand and develop his haki, and over time she comes to respect him.
Sanji: Well... turn to stone everytime Hancock uses her beauty to turn enemies into stone. She is annoyed by his constant adulation, and Sanji loves when she "looks down on him so much she's looking up instead".
Chopper: At first she kicks him, annoyed that someone put a tanuki in her path. Chopper fears her and avoids her initially, but after a while they get to respect each other.
Robin: Is the one Hancock trusts the must in the crew and becomes Hancock's confidant. Robin also gives her creepy or plain wrong romantic advice that usually leads to Hancock acting weird.
Franky: Hancock's annoyed by his pervertedness. Like the other women, she doesn't care for robots, ninja and other men stuff. Mostly neutral interactions otherwise.
Brook: Usual Brookness. Unlike Sanji, Hancock tolerates his antics because she finds his jokes funny and is enthralled by his music.
Jinbe: Much like Zoro, there would be mutual respect between Jinbe and Hancock, but, as a fishman and a former slave, and both former Shichibukai, they'd be closer friends. Jinbe, as the only Straw Hat that witnessed Hancock's efforts to help Luffy pre-timeskip, would speak in her behalf and help her adjust to the crew, often tempering her outbursts of arrogance.
Beyond that, Hancock has Salome, which could also have weird interactions with the crew. Like trying to eat Chopper sometimes, or being used to train Usopp.
Chapter 528 shows how she behaves around silly people, while in Chapter 591 she is being silly herself. Chapter 599 has another gag of her being overzealous. I think the seeds are already there.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Yeah, I agree; and as I understand, the clarification in the magazine is just that Luffy isn't included in his statement about ten. Which only means that Jimbei isn't the last. The 'one more to join' part is being added by fans. It can mean that, but not necessarily.
yeah, id wait until the release of the magazine to see someone like greg or someone else translating it.
Beyond that, Hancock has Salome, which could also have weird interactions with the crew. Like trying to eat Chopper sometimes, or being used to train Usopp.
lmao, i love that.
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At this point, I'm seriously considering Vivi to be a loophole inclusion.
The crew technically has 11 members, but only 10 are adventuring. And if Alabasta really goes into the shitter as it is being implied, then it would be convenient for her to return to the pirate plot.
Also can't ignore this:
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Finally we know that only one more person… Not that it was that hard to figure out
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It won't be Carrot--- Update From New Post Merge ---
At this point, I'm seriously considering Vivi to be a loophole inclusion.
The crew technically has 11 members, but only 10 are adventuring. And if Alabasta really goes into the shitter as it is being implied, then it would be convenient for her to return to the pirate plot.
Also can't ignore this:
I love my Vivi and her being back with the crew. But something huge would be needed to her being able to fight at the NW
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time for a new poll with Vivi and no option of the crew being finalised already, this poll didnt age well. :ninja:
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Whoever this last crewmate is i hope Oda does a good job in flashing them out.
It's gonna be really hard to make me care about this newcomer when compared to the other SHs.
From what we know of Carrot i definitely don't care for her. Yamato has some potential i guess but i'm not feeling them either.
If Oda's 5 year plano is true then it's even worse, that person is going to be with the crew for such a small portion of the story.
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The last one is the honorary member, Vivi. Main crew-wise, I think it's finalized.
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Whoever this last crewmate is i hope Oda does a good job in flashing them out.
It's gonna be really hard to make me care about this newcomer when compared to the other SHs.
From what we know of Carrot i definitely don't care for her. Yamato has some potential i guess but i'm not feeling them either.
If Oda's 5 year plano is true then it's even worse, that person is going to be with the crew for such a small portion of the story.
Vivi certainly wouldn't have that problem since she's adventured with the crew for over a 100 chapters and has been a recurring sight since. She's the 11th character in terms of panel time behind the SH + Law - Jinbe.
And she's only going to become more important now with all the Nefertari Family shenanigans the Five Elders mentioned at the Levely. She will definitely play a leadership role in the final arc.
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Isn't this news over 20 years old?
Its been recently aknowledged in the One Piece Magazine.
Also it seems Jinbro was in the original sketches but was deleted to avoid spoilers.
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Vivi certainly wouldn't have that problem since she's adventured with the crew for over a 100 chapters and has been a recurring sight since.
And she's only going to become more important now with all the Nefertari Family shenanigans the Five Elders mentioned at the Levely. She will definitely play a leadership role in the final arc.
Yeah, Vivi would work i suppose. I'm gonna root for her then since the "no one else" option is apparently not a possibility anymore.
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Nothing's changed on my end.
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http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28651
lol… I've been arguing on Vivi's behalf for a very long time. I've gone through multiple iterations. In the lead up to the time skip, I posited she would interpret Luffy's message and appear with something happening to Alabasta in the intervening years. Can't find it, but a later version shortly after the time skip involved the World Gov seizing control of Alabasta to search for Pluton.
Either way, I think the idea that Vivi / Alabasta come into peril necessitating her return to the Straw Hats is still in play all these years later.
But also, as I said, I think Vivi represents a loophole. The quote still doesn't put the limit on ten; it establishes 1 more as the minimum. I'll continue presenting arguments in favor of Carrot (and Smoker :ninja:) until 'the crew is complete is the Word of Oda.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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I believe the next and last Straw Hat will be a character very similar to Oden.
That is he/she will come from another pre-established crew and will effectively leave that crew to join the SH so that they can discover something in regards to One Piece.
My belief is that this character will come from the Red Haired Pirates crew and will potentially join as a result of a Davy Back Fight between SH and Red hair pirates.
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That's so wrong and limited. I trust Oda to be more creative with crew interactions than that.
Sure, he only needs to change her whole character, easy.
Her personality doesn't allow her to be under someone, even if it's OK for her to be under Luffy it wouldn't be OK for her to be under Nami or Zoro. And it's necessary for a new Nakama to be OK about taking orders from someone else besides Luffy.
That's just something that can't be done with Hancock, that would change her whole character.Especially after that statement:
She has CoC for a reason.
Luffy isn't yet on a level where it would be OK to have another CoC Strawhat.Chopper: At first she kicks him, annoyed that someone put a tanuki in her path.
No, just no.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Lmao the first reply simply being "No" from a guy who got banned is cracking me up.
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So what's Vivi's ship role? lookout?:ninja:
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When you believe that all 3 have a chance to join, so you don't participate in the meaningless Twitter war>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Cockyscent, fool me once, but dont fool me twice. Tama is completely invisible on twitter.
Vivi's role could be advisor, like Vito in firetank pirates.
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I actually think Vivi might be the one writing the narration boxes; Whoever it was had to have been told at least some of the stories since they begin with the very first chapter. And we see here:
Vivi has been keeping a log of the Straw Hats voyages; She could be the chronicler like Oden.
Just a thought. But we have seen her doing this multiple times over.
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Cockyscent, fool me once, but dont fool me twice. Tama is completely invisible on twitter.
Vivi's role could be advisor, like Vito in firetank pirates.
There's like 2 people mentioning Tama in the Yonko thread, but yeah it's not that much compared to Yamato and Carrot discussion. My bad
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When you believe that all 3 have a chance to join, so you don't participate in the meaningless Twitter war>>>>>>>>>>>>
It originated from the confirmation that Luffy meant 10 people in the Magazine. Is not a Twitter thingy.
There is now as a matter of a fact, one more person left.
Maybe if we all send letters to Oda, that we only want Drake, we can still save the series from the recent candidates.
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It originated from the confirmation that Luffy meant 10 people in the Magazine. Is not a Twitter thingy.
There is now as a matter of a fact, one more person left.
Maybe if we all send letters to Oda, that we only want Drake, we can still save the series from the recent candidates.
If I send a letter, it's gonna be pac ked with "show Vegapunk already" and "no more nakama after Jinbe". Doubt he'd care
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If someone is left out of that picture, it certainly isn't Vivi.
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If someone is left out of that picture, it certainly isn't Vivi.
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Topic: Characters that did better than expected
To be honest, I have lots of such characters, but if I have to choose one, it must be VIVI!! No, she was Miss Wednesday.
At first she appeared as an agent of Baroque Works, but I didn't think more about her. But, one time I drew Miss Wednesday with her hair down, and found, "Ohh she looks like a princess!"
I got the plan of the Alabasta Kingdom arc a while before. And then what will it be like if this girl would be the princess of Alabasta?
The Alabasta arc started like that. For that reason, still beloved by fans, the character, Nefeltari Vivi was born.
Serialization is WONDERLAND. Eiichiro Oda
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The dwarf thing and plant freak being dropped in favor of Franky and Robin as well as Brook, Jinbe, and Chopper all being very different sizes makes it harder to really try to "fit" an existing character into the proto-Straw Hats lineup. At the very least we can rule out Carrot.
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Sure, he only needs to change her whole character, easy.
Her personality doesn't allow her to be under someone, even if it's OK for her to be under Luffy it wouldn't be OK for her to be under Nami or Zoro. And it's necessary for a new Nakama to be OK about taking orders from someone else besides Luffy.
That's just something that can't be done with Hancock, that would change her whole character.Especially after that statement:
[qimg]https://abload.de/img/0956-0175jjlp.jpg[/qimg]She has CoC for a reason.
Luffy isn't yet on a level where it would be OK to have another CoC Strawhat.No, just no.
You have a terribly narrow view of her character, especially if you think she wouldn't be happy to be free from her burdens and past in the crew. Hancock is a character of strong personality, but that only makes a character more entertaining in her interactions.
And Luffy's crew isn't ready for another CoC user? We are reaching the endgame! We are about to finish two Yonko. The crew is more than ready already.
Well, we just need to wait and see. Last crewmate shouldn't take that long to be revealed.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Vivi is probably my favorite SH candidate, I just don't talk about her because Yamato is in Wano and she is not. Even then, she could show up right as the SHs are leaving Wano and beg to join, if they don't go to where she is.
At this point the only thing she lacks is strength, which she could have boosted in the timeskip (she was already roughly Nami/Usopp level before, anyway). The Reverie thing may be the motivation/sad past. She's already got character depth and friendship with the crew/Luffy by default due to having been a SH before. Her role can be something like a diplomat, which is her strongest suit and which she has shown before multiple times. And the issue with her wanting to be a princess can be nullified if she is wanted by the WG or if Alabasta is under their control, which will force her to join the crew "temporarily" until after the final war, which in practice means she joins until the manga ends.
She can also be helpful in a final conflict against the world government, because she can help make the alliances needed for the final war. And we are gonna need to build a new government once the current one is taken down and there just happens to be a celestial dragon princess who is a good guy and has top tier political skills.
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I'm pretty sure Vivi will appear, meet the crew and even travel with them again, maybe until the end of the series. But she won't be the 11th Straw Hat, in the sense that she won't be getting fights or have a counterpart on the Blackbeard crew. She may not even be the only companion of the Straw Hats in such fashion.
The 11th Straw Hat will be someone else.
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The dwarf thing and plant freak being dropped in favor of Franky and Robin as well as Brook, Jinbe, and Chopper all being very different sizes makes it harder to really try to "fit" an existing character into the proto-Straw Hats lineup. At the very least we can rule out Carrot.
I'd say that the sausage fest of the early SH crew would make another female character more likely, just for variety's sake.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Vivi is 5.5; Carrot is 8.5; Smoker is 10
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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I would really like a logia to join
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Oh i'll continue being a salty hater
You people wanna hear about salt?
10 years ago in the volume 5 of this very same thread I made the argument that the next crewmate would be at least as tall as Brook and Franky based on the databook Green original sketches. The argument being that, taking basic composition into account, there was a tall member erased in the sketches. You can still read the thread here but I'll paste some of my comments:
"Looking Green sketches of the crew it seems like the new strawhat is as tall as franky and brook."
"Oh man. I'm not talking about sanji, zoro or luffy sketches but of the blank spot above them. There's a character erased by the editors there. You can see it, no?"
"You know Oda had planned since the beginning to be 10 nakamas in the band. It's obvious that Oda drew sketches of the entire band in the beginning (although later change his mind) so there's one missing in the image."I was insulted by a lot of users who might not even post here anymore nor read this message. Here's their input:
"If we vote on stupidest post of 2010, I'm going to vote for Enther over people like AlmostLegendary, AGOG, and Soapbox." - JERK_DISEASE
"Honestly you've littered this thread with your irrelevant posts. It's not topic worthy" - Zik
"Hey! I also want to play that game called "make a stupid, random and overly subjective theory with zero backup"!" - Just_BabeAnd my favorite reply, because I was arguing for Hachi as a new member (yeah I know) but this user broke the time/canon fabric:
"OMG its a "big" space and therefore only a "big" character can fit. Using AGOG's theory, only Jimbei = 3 Luffy's is compatible !!! It must be Jimbei!!!" - kageisaSo yes. I held this salt for 10 years knowing that some day the non edited version of the sketch would be released and today is the blessed day. I thank apforums for keeping the posts alive, I thank the posters of back then for helping me improve my poor English and I thank reality for proving me right.
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You have a terribly narrow view of her character, especially if you think she wouldn't be happy to be free from her burdens and past in the crew. Hancock is a character of strong personality, but that only makes a character more entertaining in her interactions.
I see her character as what it is, not what I think it could be. Your view of her character is clearly subjective.
As usual, people try to push characters in directions where they would like them to be and not where they belong.And Luffy's crew isn't ready for another CoC user? We are reaching the endgame! We are about to finish two Yonko. The crew is more than ready already.
I said, Luffy isn't on the Level to have a CoC user under him, nothing about his crew…
