On the topic of Mochi.
I just had YakiMochi wrapped in melted cheese then bacon.
You guys don't know what you're missing out on. Don't eat plain mochi and hope it to impress you.
Had to order seconds.
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I'm not pulling a strawman. You tried to compare Luffys endurance vs Katakuri vs Luffu vs Lucci which is before any training and any past experiences wirh opponents Luffys had after that.
If you honestly think Luffy hasn't gotten any more durable or stronger since timeskip, you're a lost cause
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You're an absolute meme. You called me pulling a strawman when i replied to the stupid arguement you made here.
"Luffy vs Lucci pre time skip and no training
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Luffy vs New world after time skip.
If you're trying to explain how strong Luffys become, you've made a good point.
But you're trying to justify his endurance vs a time when he was a lot weaker, a time where the entire strawhat crew couldnt even take out a pacisifta, then Luffy coming back and 1 hitting it with a jet pistol after timeskip.
Listen buddy, Luffy is getting stronger and stronger, hes getting closer to ranks of Admirals and Yonkous. If he cant last 24 hours in a fight, how would compare to Kuzan and Sakazuki fighting for 10 DAYS!
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I lost it on this line bahaha
Now I get it, you appeared in the middle of a conversation I was having with other person and start accusing me of stuff. Like the guy was the one that compared Luffy resistance from Lucci fight and Katakuri. I said Luffy resistance against Katakuri is way higher. That was my point. And you accuse me of saying that Luffy should have the same resistance pre to pos timeskip, like I ever made that point. This is pretty much 100% strawman, you come out with a point that "I'm making" and refute it so you "won" the argument.
Please, don't use the excuse of improvement to say that one can improve by any measure. Even if the training was specific to that improvement, something that it wasn't. Luffy wasn't 2 years training is endurance.
And what about Fishman Island Luffy endurance? And Punk Hazard, and Dressrossa? Or Did Luffy made majority of this improvement during Whole Cake Island.
Note, there is a pretty big difference between Luffy been fighting 11 hours by using Guerrilha Warfare and being backed up by Nami and the Homies, and him taking a beating for 8 hours. Both are pretty Spectacular compared to real life, still the second is pretty Spectacular compared with the 1st.About Akainu and Aokiji, just talking about 10 days is a huge exageration, but even so, you can let it pass because they were even. Is not like one was stronger than the other and so they were able to endure 10 days. Also you don't really know if they had rest times, they certainly needed to drink and eat. If you take that in that way you have Broggy and Dorry that are fighting for 100 years. But also that fight is even.
Not only Luffy doesn't need to reach anywhere close to their endurance levels to beat them, but there is a big difference between 10 days even and 8 hours beating.
Let's talk about Boxing, since people here seem to think is the same situation. Even in boxing you have fights that take seconds and fights that take hours. The ones that take seconds is when the one that looses is taking a beating, and the ones that take hours are because the fight(note that I'm talking of the "fight") is even. Boxers that in a even match endure hours in others they endure just minutes or less. This doesn't mean that their endurance changed, just different fights require different "endurance feats".
In fact even with all the pros of Boxing, the longest fight ever took 7 hours, less than Katakuri vs Luffy, and yes the fight was even and not a beat down. -
Have anybody mentioned that Katakuri is going to wear that hat after he wakes up? I wonder how he is going to change since this fight is over.
I think someone else is going to become Sweet Commander or he is going to become the main captain of the Big Mom pirates after Luffy defeats Big Mom.
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Guys do you think that ,this fight was unbalanced? Art , paneling and creativity was superb, however it is hard to believe that after 15 chapters of
Merciless beating luffy won in one chapter of exchange of punches. I know that luffys durability is off the charts , but this is new level. Even in snakeman luffys punches
Weaker. What do you think what broke katas will to fight? Chapters ago he was telling luffy to endure and get up , but when he falls he can't fight anymore.
I feel like there is one chapter missing in this fight between 885 AND 886. Something feels off and because of that I could not feel emotions after the fight.It felt like fairy tale.
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I need to get home on my laptop to break down this bigivels points. Sitting in a Yakitori place with a phone isnt cutting it.
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If you absolutely want to analyze a shonen fight, which sounds pretty pointless in my opinion cause those were made to be enjoyed without second thoughts rather than analyzed, you must stay focused on what you are doing.
You may analyze it by comparing it to other famous mangas. Like some compared a certain panel of Katakuri to Guts from Berserk.
Or if you have insight on Oda's inspiration, you may discuss it. In SBS Oda told that he loves Tarantino or Burton. You can definitely argue that the latter inspired him for Brook character design.But right now what are we talking about ? "This method is used in boxing a lot" ? What is the correlation between boxing and One Piece and/or Oda's intent and inspirations ?
You may be right, maybe Oda loves boxing (I don't remember every SBS). But if that's the case you need to remind us before using boxing as an argument. Otherwise Oda didn't think about boxing at all while drawing and your analysis is about boxing and not about Oda's intent.I love sawyer7mage, but he starts pointing out martial arts references in the fight without precising that Oda is actually versed in martial arts. Is he ? I don't remember. You need to established those things clearly. Or you are just saying whatever comes to your mind with no evidence that it came through Oda's.
The only boxing champion we've seen in One Piece started off with a dropkick… and he was from Karate Island.
Fights can be smart, filled with strategies and very technique, I'd recommend watching Hunter x Hunter if you want to analyze stuff. Or Hajime no Ippou if you want to discuss boxing.
One Piece has very straightforward fights : they punched a lot, one had more stamina, the end.Analysing by comparing it to other famous mangas? You don't need that. You can very well analyse something by its own merits. And Comparising analyses is just making an individual comparison of the other work and then analysing the "differences" of both works.
The boxing stuff is stupid, the people that brought that up are like comparing two different things. The fact that you can supposedly "relate" both things is a pretty down point about this fight.
Is like saying that the speed of a person canoeing in a race, was like a swimmer velocity in another race. Well, if the canoes rider did that then he certainly was doing a lot of stuff wrong, because he was going really slowly.
Hunter x Hunter fights and smart and filled with strategies and very technique does not mesh very well. First there is no strategies in HxH fights(And they shouldn't).
Situational fights like the ones that happen in One Piece, HxH and other series of the kind don't really bring strategy into play. What you're talking about strategies is called Tactics. And the big difference in HxH and One Piece is not that one have more than the other(I would argue that One Piece has more than HxH), but that HxH has info dumps about it and has many times the tool of outsiders perspective(or even insiders outside perspective), Hitman reborn and other series of the kind use a lot that tool, while One Piece doesn't have nothing of that kind, there is no exposition(or very little of it), things flow just like in a real life audience point of view(or close to it), in fact I would say this fight(Luffy vs Katakuri) is the one we had more exposition in the series.
Also HxH has the everybody has a different and strange ability, and the mega overthinking, like you have 2 roads to choose, and you know that 1 has 90% chance of being the better road, and you end up getting 30 minutes of a person stopped in the intersection analysing what the better choice of road and if he could even take another group of roads that almost certainly don't even exist(but why not hyphotetically think about them? right?).Kingdom and World Trigger are mangas and anime with better strategies and Tactics than HxH.
The best strategies HxH have in its entiry series were going in a "straight line" fighting the enemies until their base and then decide what to do close to it(they ended up being intercepted and Kaito died), and making a 2 way invasion into a palace. Not really that complex of strategies to be sure(not saying that simple is bad, in fact why do people assume complex is good or better than simple?).Yep, Luffy and crew defeated Oz, by just punching until he lost his endurance.
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Now I get it, you appeared in the middle of a conversation I was having with other person and start accusing me of stuff.
You weren't in the middle of a conversation, some guy just replied to some other guys comment and then you jumped into saying how it was BS.
Here is the link;
@AvocadoInTheRain:Me too. Some people are freaking out about for some reason but I don't get it. Some people are saying Luffy too way too much damage, but I distinctly remember Luffy taking several of Lucci's secret technique and still getting up.
Like the guy was the one that compared Luffy resistance from Lucci fight and Katakuri. I said Luffy resistance against Katakuri is way higher. That was my point. And you accuse me of saying that Luffy should have the same resistance pre to pos timeskip, like I ever made that point. This is pretty much 100% strawman, you come out with a point that "I'm making" and refute it so you "won" the argument.
What the hell are you talking about? You say Luffy's resistance is higher than Katakuri like it's an asspull whereas the one VS Lucci is a fight that makes sense to you and is not an asspull. I mean look at your own words;
! Nope, Luffy was deflecting majority of the attacks due to the rubber, and the fight took like 1 hour(probably less), and it wasn't a beat down, but an even fight, where luffy was getting the edge until the Rokugan. And Luffy only endured 3 Rokugan attacks and with much help from Ussop, and after that he couldn't even move.
! You Have:
- Rubber Deflects attacks
- 1 hour fight
- Even fight
- endured 3 Rokugan
- Stamina ended after that fight
! That is Lucci, now Katakuri
! - No Rubber deflection due to Armament Haki, not even in Gear 4th
- at least 8 hours fighting
- Beat Down all throughout the fight. And Luffy basically couldn't even hit Katakuri for most of the fight. The times he hit Katakuri can almost be counted by 2 hands.
- Endured, being beat for 8 hours, at least 2 times being buried alive with mochi, taking Multiple Advanced Armament Haki Donut Attacks, Getting 1/4th of his stomach taken, at least 2 Grilled Mochis, 2 Miced Mochis.
- Still got up and walked after the fightI also like your exaggerations.
Please, don't use the excuse of improvement to say that one can improve by any measure. Even if the training was specific to that improvement, something that it wasn't. Luffy wasn't 2 years training is endurance.
I don't think you understand how you acquire endurance to hits and attacks. You fight, you get hit a lot, your body gets used to it and then you get stronger. Luffy isn't sitting there like a punching bag 2 years to train his endurance, he acquires it through his combat.
And what about Fishman Island Luffy endurance? And Punk Hazard, and Dressrossa? Or Did Luffy made majority of this improvement during Whole Cake Island.
Luffy had no problems with endurance against Hodi, lol.
Luffy had no endurance problems against Ceaser.
Luffy only had a stamina issue with his gear 4 which has ACTUALLY improved when we see this vs Katakuri. Luffys gear 4 runs out the first time he couldn't move, whereas this time he could move but he couldn't use Haki.
What supreme damage did Luffy take on Dressrosa?
Note, there is a pretty big difference between Luffy been fighting 11 hours by using Guerrilha Warfare and being backed up by Nami and the Homies, and him taking a beating for 8 hours. Both are pretty Spectacular compared to real life, still the second is pretty Spectacular compared with the 1st.
You don't even know what Guerrilla warfare is.
Luffy was not just taking a beating for 8 hours, what are you talking about. Did you notice how Luffy did not get hit once by the spear the entire fight until someone's interruption?
Did you notice Katakuri huffing and puffing, what do you know about Luffy not hitting Katakuri off panel?About Akainu and Aokiji, just talking about 10 days is a huge exageration
Oh so now the Legendary battle to the death for fleet Admiral is an exaggeration now huh? Oda just made it up for the LOL's.
but even so, you can let it pass because they were even
They were so even and evenly matched, weren't they? A guy that melted the entire frozen ocean in seconds.
Is not like one was stronger than the other and so they were able to endure 10 days. Also you don't really know if they had rest times, they certainly needed to drink and eat. If you take that in that way you have Broggy and Dorry that are fighting for 100 years. But also that fight is even.
Don't compare Broggy and Dorry. We literally have a fight between Jinbe and Ace fighting for 5 days straight, they didn't stop have some O-Cha and Mochi and then get up and get fighting again.
Not only Luffy doesn't need to reach anywhere close to their endurance levels to beat them, but there is a big difference between 10 days even and 8 hours beating.
Let's talk about Boxing, since people here seem to think is the same situation.Luffy showcases supreme endurance and you think he can't get anywhere close. His endurance is going to better, he's the main protagonist and he's going to get stronger.
The fight would have gone for a day + at least if the both of them weren't stabbed.
Even in boxing you have fights that take seconds and fights that take hours. The ones that take seconds is when the one that looses is taking a beating, and the ones that take hours are because the fight(note that I'm talking of the "fight") is even. Boxers that in a even match endure hours in others they endure just minutes or less. This doesn't mean that their endurance changed, just different fights require different "endurance feats".
In fact even with all the pros of Boxing, the longest fight ever took 7 hours, less than Katakuri vs Luffy, and yes the fight was even and not a beat down.You're comparing a long manga fight to a long real life fight. Oh dear lord.
All the boxing comparison was that Muhammed Ali took a beating and WON.
That's all that guy was posting to show and you just attacked him.
Get it over it buddy, Luffy's endurance has gotten better, and you can live in your happy little beatdown world in your own mirror world.
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Can anyone tell me what this guys point is?
He's complaining about how someone lasted longer in a latter fight vs a former fight and the guy takes bigger stronger attacks compared to the former. But somehow his point isn't that Luffy's endurance came out of nowhere.
Call me out on making a strawman argument, that is exactly the point you made.
How about I give you an actual straw instead?
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You weren't in the middle of a conversation, some guy just replied to some other guys comment and then you jumped into saying how it was BS.
Here is the link;
What the hell are you talking about? You say Luffy's resistance is higher than Katakuri like it's an asspull whereas the one VS Lucci is a fight that makes sense to you and is not an asspull. I mean look at your own words;
! Nope, Luffy was deflecting majority of the attacks due to the rubber, and the fight took like 1 hour(probably less), and it wasn't a beat down, but an even fight, where luffy was getting the edge until the Rokugan. And Luffy only endured 3 Rokugan attacks and with much help from Ussop, and after that he couldn't even move.
! You Have:
- Rubber Deflects attacks
- 1 hour fight
- Even fight
- endured 3 Rokugan
- Stamina ended after that fight
! That is Lucci, now Katakuri
! - No Rubber deflection due to Armament Haki, not even in Gear 4th
- at least 8 hours fighting
- Beat Down all throughout the fight. And Luffy basically couldn't even hit Katakuri for most of the fight. The times he hit Katakuri can almost be counted by 2 hands.
- Endured, being beat for 8 hours, at least 2 times being buried alive with mochi, taking Multiple Advanced Armament Haki Donut Attacks, Getting 1/4th of his stomach taken, at least 2 Grilled Mochis, 2 Miced Mochis.
- Still got up and walked after the fightI also like your exaggerations.
I don't think you understand how you acquire endurance to hits and attacks. You fight, you get hit a lot, your body gets used to it and then you get stronger. Luffy isn't sitting there like a punching bag 2 years to train his endurance, he acquires it through his combat.
And what about Fishman Island Luffy endurance? And Punk Hazard, and Dressrossa? Or Did Luffy made majority of this improvement during Whole Cake Island.
Luffy had no problems with endurance against Hodi, lol.
Luffy had no endurance problems against Ceaser.
Luffy only had a stamina issue with his gear 4 which has ACTUALLY improved when we see this vs Katakuri. Luffys gear 4 runs out the first time he couldn't move, whereas this time he could move but he couldn't use Haki.
What supreme damage did Luffy take on Dressrosa?
You don't even know what Guerrilla warfare is.
Luffy was not just taking a beating for 8 hours, what are you talking about. Did you notice how Luffy did not get hit once by the spear the entire fight until someone's interruption?
Did you notice Katakuri huffing and puffing, what do you know about Luffy not hitting Katakuri off panel?Oh so now the Legendary battle to the death for fleet Admiral is an exaggeration now huh? Oda just made it up for the LOL's.
They were so even and evenly matched, weren't they? A guy that melted the entire frozen ocean in seconds.
Don't compare Broggy and Dorry. We literally have a fight between Jinbe and Ace fighting for 5 days straight, they didn't stop have some O-Cha and Mochi and then get up and get fighting again.
Luffy showcases supreme endurance and you think he can't get anywhere close. His endurance is going to better, he's the main protagonist and he's going to get stronger.
The fight would have gone for a day + at least if the both of them weren't stabbed.
You're comparing a long manga fight to a long real life fight. Oh dear lord.
All the boxing comparison was that Muhammed Ali took a beating and WON.
That's all that guy was posting to show and you just attacked him.
Get it over it buddy, Luffy's endurance has gotten better, and you can live in your happy little beatdown world in your own mirror world.
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Can anyone tell me what this guys point is?
He's complaining about how someone lasted longer in a latter fight vs a former fight and the guy takes bigger stronger attacks compared to the former. But somehow his point isn't that Luffy's endurance came out of nowhere.
Call me out on making a strawman argument, that is exactly the point you made.
How about I give you an actual straw instead?
Your amazing rationale
Getting beat up = get hit by spear.
Improving endurance = any level of increase
Calling bullshit about taking more damage and last longer = Saying that power comes of nowhere.
And you even question me?
Simple answer, pay more attention to context, orders of magnitude, difference between qualitative and quantitative measurement.
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BMP incompetence is getting to staggering levels, none of them smoke a cigarette, are they telling me no one could smell Sanji's cigarette? Better, someone to sense him?
They are not a small group in the middle of the desert. They are in the center of an inhabited city, surrounded by its citizens. Someone smoking a cigarette in the area is would just be normal. They finding the smell strange is what would sound forced.
As for they not sensing him, I agree they should be able to, but CoO ability to sense others is very plot related and very inconsistent. No one in the Revolutionary army sensed Burgess, Luffy didn't sensed Doflamingo when the Funk brothers tricked him, both Luffy and Katakuri failed to sense Flambé and her group (don't mind the fact they had their CoO active the whole time)… and I'm sure there will be dozens of other examples if someone bothers looking for them.
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Your amazing rationale
Getting beat up = get hit by spear.
Improving endurance = any level of increase
Calling bullshit about taking more damage and last longer = Saying that power comes of nowhere.
And you even question me?
Simple answer, pay more attention to context, orders of magnitude, difference between qualitative and quantitative measurement.
So you ignore everything I say and just tell me to pay attention blah blah and don't come back with any arguments. But you don't really have any.
Luffy took hits and dodged but he didn't take anything more than he's taken in the series lol.
Keep talking about your strawman strawman arguments meanwhile you don't write anything back or justify any claims you've made.
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I wish Oda would cut out this sircus act when it comes to the height of the big-names. All the admirals, schibukais, and so on. It's absolute idiotic.
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So you ignore everything I say and just tell me to pay attention blah blah and don't come back with any arguments. But you don't really have any.
Luffy took hits and dodged but he didn't take anything more than he's taken in the series lol.
Keep talking about your strawman strawman arguments meanwhile you don't write anything back or justify any claims you've made.
Ignore? You're basically repeating the same thing that I said was wrong. In this way we're going to continue in circles and stay here forever. While Katakuri stayed 8 hours and wasn't able to defeat his "enemy" I don't have the same luxury with time.
You liked the strawman, you even showed an image, though a strawman is not a straw, but this ->
and now you even repeated 2 times.
Most of what I did was argue with your points. I basically said "This" is wrong to me because of "That". And presented my points. "This" is like that because of "That". This is pretty much where I will go at justifying with you.
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They are not a small group in the middle of the desert. They are in the center of an inhabited city, surrounded by its citizens. Someone smoking a cigarette in the area is would just be normal. They finding the smell strange is what would sound forced.
They may be in the city, but it is a city of food that smells sweet. It would be fine, but there are some people but 5 steps away from Sanji, and none of them are smoking. Cigs have a very distinctive smell.
Either way, it is more of a response to the Big Mom Pirates being incompetent for not being able to sense him with haki, when there is an obvious reason why he should not be smoking so close to his enemies.
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I think Pudding will use her power of memory modification on Oven and co. and that's how Sanji will manage to take Luffy away from that mirror.If Luffy is to come out from **that mirrior,**i see no other solution.
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I think Pudding will use her power of memory modification on Oven and co. and that's how Sanji will manage to take Luffy away from that mirror.If Luffy is to come out from **that mirrior,**i see no other solution.
That would have been a great solution! Pudding could make everyone "remember" Luffy having said he would come from a mirror in Peanuts island or something. But I think Pudding is not confident with her strenght and powers to be able to manipulate the whole crowd's memories without being interrupted or attacked by them. It's just too many people.
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Discussing if everyone could smell the cigar in the town because Observation Haki is the stupidiest fucking thing that happened until now this year.
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The thing that left me a bit unsatisfied is that, as others said, luffy took punches for hours while katakuri was waaaay less beaten when they started the final phase of the fight and were "even". So it seems unrealistic that with that last blow katakuri fell and luffy could still stand after a few minutes.
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The thing that left me a bit unsatisfied is that, as others said, luffy took punches for hours while katakuri was waaaay less beaten when they started the final phase of the fight and were "even". So it seems unrealistic that with that last blow katakuri fell and luffy could still stand after a few minutes.
Well, I think that the prolonged fight had bad effect on everyone's memory on power of gear 4. It's on whole new level of strength compared with Luffy's other states. Big Mom blocking it so easily as the last instance before the fight probably also have contributed to this negative effect.
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So who thinks Luffy will really come back to fight Big Mom?
I personally don't see how the story will allow for such a scenario to occur. We finally have a roadmap to the end of the series and since the SH have big mom's copy of the poneglyph, I don't see why they would ever seek conflict with BM again.
The series can't keep treading water, therefore, I don't see how Oda can justify dedicating chapters to Luffy beating BM in the future.
Personally, I think the BB pirates will swoop into WCI after the SH leave. while the BM pirates are recuperating. We know they are the most opportunistic crew in the series and they are actively hunting down DFs.
Still, it feels weird that Luffy and BM have actually met and nothing of significance ever happened. I think Oda should have Luffy at least deal a significant blow on BM before they leave.
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So who thinks Luffy will really come back to fight Big Mom?
Luffy plans on doing so, but because this is a narrative, he'll face her again in the Elbaf arc.
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Fishman Island conflict, Big Mom's beef with the Giants, Lola reunion, need to see Pudding's awakened 3rd eye, and so on. Plenty of reasons to have her show up again. I won't pretend to know if Oda will play it completely straight or whatever, but if he keeps saying it's going to happen, then I guess it's going to. This reminds me of how people kept ignoring characters saying that Luffy will win the fight. Not everything has to be a red herring; I feel that the end of the Katakuri fight makes that very much clear to many now that Oda intends to do this.
Neither do I believe that the Marines or Blackbeard will show up. I feel that people keep underestimating the fact that it takes days just to arrive in her territory, and then even longer to reach WCI. Plenty of time for them to get composed again, or the very fact that the journey takes so long means that they won't bother to begin with. Especially in the Marines case, since some believe Stussy has called them.
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What the fuck??? An off-paneled final punch?? The hell Oda?? Besides you stop the momentum of Katakuri's Diced Mochi to force the hole below Luffy… and forget what was required last chapter to create a hole? Is this Charlie's Angels??
Sanji's outcome with Pudding and Morgans' intent to publish what happens are the only good things.
If 900 dissapoints me, i will drop this shit, too much, like One Piece is to 7 yrs old children now.
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They may be in the city, but it is a city of food that smells sweet. It would be fine, but there are some people but 5 steps away from Sanji, and none of them are smoking. Cigs have a very distinctive smell.
Either way, it is more of a response to the Big Mom Pirates being incompetent for not being able to sense him with haki, when there is an obvious reason why he should not be smoking so close to his enemies.
Show me only one sign Oda drew in this whole arc that shows: No Smoking. Or a family member reacting to a smoking citizen, and your argument would be valid. The worst crime was eating houses iirc.
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Show me only one sign Oda drew in this whole arc that shows: No Smoking. Or a family member reacting to a smoking citizen, and your argument would be valid. The worst crime was eating houses iirc.
Have you seen any citizen in this arc smoking? =O
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Show me only one sign Oda drew in this whole arc that shows: No Smoking. Or a family member reacting to a smoking citizen, and your argument would be valid. The worst crime was eating houses iirc.
Not sure why would that matter. If someone is smoking in your vicinity you can smell the smoke.
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The point is, there are several complaints about how come the Big Mom pirates cannot detect Sanji with observation haki. What I am saying is that if you want to complain about something, might as well focus on the smoking.
In other words, both are bad complaints.
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16 characters of Amande.
Read lol. I said "CITIZEN" not Big Mom crew.
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Not sure why would that matter. If someone is smoking in your vicinity you can smell the smoke.
The question is not whether or not they smell the smoke, its how they would react to it.
1. Sanji is far from the only person in Totland who smokes, so they wouldn't automatically think cigarette smell = Sanji.
2. Not that many people here even know that Sanji smokes given that he wasn't smoking at the wedding and he's not smoking on his wanted poster.
3. They don't think any of the strawhats are on the island. They think the plan is for the strawhats on the Sunny to land on Cacao island and meet up with Luffy. They have whole fleets of ships chasing the Sunny, so they know it hasn't made land yet.
They have no reason to suspect anything if they smell cigarette smoke.
Purely coincidence
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The question is not whether or not they smell the smoke, its how they would react to it.
1. Sanji is far from the only person in Totland who smokes, so they wouldn't automatically think cigarette smell = Sanji.
2. Not that many people here even know that Sanji smokes given that he wasn't smoking at the wedding and he's not smoking on his wanted poster.
3. They don't think any of the strawhats are on the island. They think the plan is for the strawhats on the Sunny to land on Cacao island and meet up with Luffy. They have whole fleets of ships chasing the Sunny, so they know it hasn't made land yet.
Exactly, so imagine you are 5 steps away from a smoking person while you are with your friends. You smell something, smells like minty tobacco, you look at your friend and no ones is smoking. The only logical conclusion is that they disregarded as:
Mystery Wind.
I am not saying they should know Sanji is there because he is smoking, or that Sanji is the only smoker. This is a direct response to the observation haki complaint. The people shown around Sanji were not smoking. We can conclude that they cannot smell it because of their stuffy noses. I just think that both are bad complainst, the smoking one less so than the observation one when talking about why they are not detecting Sanji in the first place.
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Exactly, so imagine you are 5 steps away from a smoking person while you are with your friends. You smell something, smells like minty tobacco, you look at your friend and no ones is smoking. The only logical conclusion is that they disregarded as:
Mystery Wind.
It's more: You're in a gigantic crowd of smelly pirates and you smell some tobacco. I certainly wouldn't look around to try to find the source. Also keep in mind that Oda is from Japan where people smoke like chimneys. Nobody is going to react to the smell of tobacco.
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These people are on the edge of the circle.
Since when were the Big Mom pirates smelly?
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In other words, both are bad complaints.
I agree 100%. People should take a look back at Brook and Pedro for example.
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I agree 100%. People should take a look back at Brook and Pedro for example.
Funny enough, I actually had the same thought process back then. I just think it is…stealth 101 not to...you know...produce distinctive odors that may reveal your concealed location. But as you can see, I can say it is a bad complaint either way. I know I am taking the more realistic route. I think I saw it as a gag in some other show and it stuck as a bad move to do.
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I think Sanji QUITTING smoking is a good way to show an evolution in this character. When you smoke you are less "powerful". Imagine Judge giving to Sanji a raid suit and fighting without smoking any cigarette.
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Sanji isn't fighting in a raid suit.
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Are you people seriously, SERIOUSLY, SE-RI-OUS-LY complaining about people not reacting to the smell of cigarette?
This is a new level of ridiculousness, I can't believe I am seriously trying to show someone this doesn't make sense. But anyways:
https://readms.net/r/one_piece/892/4843/15 The place is flocked with people. It is not just the BMP.
https://readms.net/r/one_piece/894/4881/16 Here you can see the citizens stayed there even after Oven orders (in case someone would argue they were just there because Oven had an order to give them).Do you seriously expect the BMP to go "oops, smoke! I know the population of this city! I know Bob, I know Mary, Jane, Edgard, Saint Clare, Sister Consuelo and the kids Alonzo, Baptista, Papadopoulos and Porfirio, I know Porcino the baker and Rita his lovely wife, I know Noah, Liam, Mason, Jacob, William, Ethan, James, Alexander, Michael, Benjamin, Elijah, Daniel, Aiden, Logan, Matthew, Lucas, Jackson, David, Oliver, Jayden, Joseph, Gabriel, Samuel, Carter, Anthony, John, Dylan, Luke, Henry, Andrew, Isaac, Christopher, Joshua, Wyatt, Sebastian, to name just the guys, and I know Emma, Olivia, Sophia, Ava, Isabella, Mia, Abigail, Emily, Harper, Madison, Amelia, Elizabeth, Sofia, Evelyn, Avery, Chloe, Ella, Grace, Victoria, Aubrey, Scarlett, Zoey, Addison, Lily, Lillian, Natalie, Hannah, Aria, Layla, Brooklyn, Alexa, Zoe, Penelope, Riley, Leah and Audrey, to name just the girls, and I know a lot others I will not name here and NONE OF THEM SMOKES!!! IT MUST BE AN ENEMY!"
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What the fuck??? An off-paneled final punch?? The hell Oda?? Besides you stop the momentum of Katakuri's Diced Mochi to force the hole below Luffy… and forget what was required last chapter to create a hole? Is this Charlie's Angels??
… I don't think you understood what happened.
We ended last chapter with both throwing their final attacks. We start this chapter with each of them retracting their arms after they landed their blows. The hole below Luffy happened because of Katakuri's attack, Katakuri didn't stop his attack mid-air and then the hole magically opened (you can even see the ground below Luffy completely broken after the attacks, before it crumbled).
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So, who won the fight ?
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Luffy, Katakuri was already done, but knew that he had to wait 10 minutes before Luffy got up, so he could say goodbye.
If you look at the page before the floor breaks, their eyes are different. Luffy's eyes are more alive, and Kata's seem to have faded.
I think the point of showing us the time the floor broke, amd the time Luffy got out of it, 10 exact minutes, is just further.proof that Luffy could still be conscious, but completely exhausted.
Even if he wasn't, he finished the fight before the meeting time and is walking away from it.
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So, who won the fight ?
Obviously the one who's walking away and accomplished what he wanted to do.
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… I don't think you understood what happened.
We ended last chapter with both throwing their final attacks. We start this chapter with each of them retracting their arms after they landed their blows. The hole below Luffy happened because of Katakuri's attack, Katakuri didn't stop his attack mid-air and then the hole magically opened (you can even see the ground below Luffy completely broken after the attacks, before it crumbled).
I must admit that at first didn't catch it.
But… the cliffhanger of the previous chapter was destruction and the floor smashed and destroyed with boulders flying everywhere and CoC' sparks here and there.
Then, as you point, Luffy retracts his arm and Katakuri returns his arm to normal... i can see the form of the Diced Mochi arm on the floor, i get that Katakuri made a hammer kind of move to smash Luffy, like at the previous chapter (if you think about the cliffhanger then, there is no logic, cause that proof on the floor takes the credit of all the other destruction).
Then both of them spurt blood, Kata from mouth, Luffy from the head... the hole is open and Luffy falls and rest unconscious, Kata falls forward cause of being tired.
Then, 10 mins after, Luffy climbs and crawls, Kata stands, dialogue, and falls backwards knocked.
That is what i get, man. For example, Miya put on Greg's thread that this happened at Moria's fight, Luffy resulting winner cause of being rubber, but Snake isn't exactly a deflectable mode, even considering Kata's CoA being stronger than Luffy's CoA...
Luffy resulted almost intact from the "whip" and passed K.O from the fall... that is nonsense, don't you think?
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Luffy, Katakuri was already done, but knew that he had to wait 10 minutes before Luffy got up, so he could say goodbye.
If you look at the page before the floor breaks, their eyes are different. Luffy's eyes are more alive, and Kata's seem to have faded.
I think the point of showing us the time the floor broke, amd the time Luffy got out of it, 10 exact minutes, is just further.proof that Luffy could still be conscious, but completely exhausted.
Even if he wasn't, he finished the fight before the meeting time and is walking away from it.
Oh yeah, I guess Katakuri's last line just bugged me. He made it sound like he was letting Luffy go so that he comes back one day to defeat Bigmom…
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I must admit that at first didn't catch it.
But… the cliffhanger of the previous chapter was destruction and the floor smashed and destroyed with boulders flying everywhere and CoC' sparks here and there.
Then, as you point, Luffy retracts his arm and Katakuri returns his arm to normal... i can see the form of the Diced Mochi arm on the floor, i get that Katakuri made a hammer kind of move to smash Luffy, like at the previous chapter (if you think about the cliffhanger then, there is no logic, cause that proof on the floor takes the credit of all the other destruction).
Then both of them spurt blood, Kata from mouth, Luffy from the head... the hole is open and Luffy falls and rest unconscious, Kata falls forward cause of being tired.
Then, 10 mins after, Luffy climbs and crawls, Kata stands, dialogue, and falls backwards knocked.
That is what i get, man. For example, Miya put on Greg's thread that this happened at Moria's fight, Luffy resulting winner cause of being rubber, but Snake isn't exactly a deflectable mode, even considering Kata's CoA being stronger than Luffy's CoA...
Luffy resulted almost intact from the "whip" and passed K.O from the fall... that is nonsense, don't you think?
I thought the diced mochi attack knocked him out, it was just delayed.
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Ignore? You're basically repeating the same thing that I said was wrong. In this way we're going to continue in circles and stay here forever. While Katakuri stayed 8 hours and wasn't able to defeat his "enemy" I don't have the same luxury with time.
You liked the strawman, you even showed an image, though a strawman is not a straw, but this -> [qimg]https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Itnb0hcPnqE/WbwccZMsQnI/AAAAAAAAKu4/KDmsDlF5fIYZjYEixaPf_ihKHOPelkOOgCK4BGAYYCw/s640/Know%2BYour%2BPropaganda%2BTemplate%2B-%2BStraw%2BAmn.jpg[/qimg]
and now you even repeated 2 times.
Most of what I did was argue with your points. I basically said "This" is wrong to me because of "That". And presented my points. "This" is like that because of "That". This is pretty much where I will go at justifying with you.
The straw means "suck it up". You're having real trouble.
You say Luffy's endurance is stupid crazy now, I explained why. You called strawman. It looks like its your favourite word, did you learn it recently?
You then tried to argue that that wasn't the point you were making, then you tried to argue that Luffy wasnt training endurance for 2 years.
Why isnt there a facepalm Emoji.
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Now I get it, you appeared in the middle of a conversation I was having with other person and start accusing me of stuff. Like the guy was the one that compared Luffy resistance from Lucci fight and Katakuri. I said Luffy resistance against Katakuri is way higher. That was my point. And you accuse me of saying that Luffy should have the same resistance pre to pos timeskip, like I ever made that point. This is pretty much 100% strawman, you come out with a point that "I'm making" and refute it so you "won" the argument.
I just realised that you even say that I said you made a point in which I never did, then call strawman to finish the argument and call it your win or some shit.
Luffy against Lucci took attacks that are huge for that time period which can equate to what we see now in the series. Luffy was at his limit like he was in this fight and got back up.
I argue that Luffy has gotten more endurance and then you start to argue against it as per below.
Nice calling strawman buddy.Please, don't use the excuse of improvement to say that one can improve by any measure. Even if the training was specific to that improvement, something that it wasn't. Luffy wasn't 2 years training is endurance.
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Again using Luffy example against Doflamingo. You also forgot that in snakemen he didn't do a Kong Gun, but Culverin, that Doflamingo took and didn't fly anywhere.
With Katakuri Luffy Gear 4th Tankman attacks that hit him: 2 Kong Guns and 1 Rhino Scheiner didn't had such a destructive effect, Katakuri didn't even fall down by them. Against Gear Snakeman, Luffy hit him with 4-5 Culverins, yep in the entire fight,that did practically nothing, and with a King Cobra.
In fact Katakuri had an clatch of fist against Luffy Snakeman, luffy Culvering against Katakuri advanced haki, and Luffy Lost. So his attacks do more damage. If you arguing that Luffy attacks are highly destructive, you just have that Katakuri ones are moreso.You'r story analysis skills are probably the worst I've seen, ever.
You failed to understand the difference between normal Culverin and jet Culverin.
You obviously didn't read the story to understand why Katakuri didn't literally fall down, and I bet you were probably wondering why Katakuri got up and fell down again, but backwards.
You think that Luffy's attacks are weak and did nothing when Oda is obviously portraying a powerful form of Luffy's.
You then say Luffy's G4 attacks didn't have such a destructive effect?
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Luffy sent Katakuri flying through all those mirror world walls every single time, Katakuri's super strong Haki didn't stand a chance against boundman. Not only that, Katakuri was all bloody, coughing up blood and wheezing after the second punch.
There's also a reason why Boundman is more destructive is because of it's mechanics. Your knowledge is lacking. So because Katakuri's Haki defence is stronger, his attack power is stronger. The kanji is 防御 which means defence, it's not an offensive. It's just Luffy is punching into something really hard and that it hurts.
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Someone posted these edited photos to explain the final impact better
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Luffy's fist appears to have knocked katakuri back a decent amount (katakuri was quite close before) and in return he stretched his arm out enough to make up for the greater distance
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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@Long:
Someone posted these edited photos to explain the final impact better
Luffy's fist appears to have knocked katakuri back a decent amount (katakuri was quite close before) and in return he stretched his arm out enough to make up for the greater distance
I'm still not clear on what the difference is between a king cobra and a regular snakeman culverin.
Purely coincidence
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I'm still not clear on what the difference is between a king cobra and a regular snakeman culverin.
When luffy pulls it away its about the size of katakuri's chest whereas a regular snakeman culverin was the size of katakuri's head,its just a bigger version
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Can someone explain how come Luffy's King Cobra arm was straight instead of bent like how it was in the previous chapter?
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Can someone explain how come Luffy's King Cobra arm was straight instead of bent like how it was in the previous chapter?
I wondered that too. Once it connects it probably just straightens out as it readies to retract.
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I'd imagine if someone were to ask in the SBS why no one smelled Sanji's cigarette, Oda would answer that it blended in with Oven's Devil Fruit-enhanced musk
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Or that it was just a chocolate scented cigawet.
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If the Minks in Cacao island see Pekoms helping Luffy, or even going Sulong, what do you think they will do?
