Bonney is Luffy's mother, obviously
One Piece 865: "Hey, Mother"
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Dr. Kureha is still the best candidate we have –among the characters we already know-- to be Mother Caramel.
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Dr. Kureha is still the best candidate we have –among the characters we already know-- to be Mother Caramel.
I think Miss Bakkin is Mother Caramel. Her fingers are the same, her facial features are the same (look at that jaw, and those lips!), her height is the same… The only difference is she now has a pointier nose.
It seems obvious to me.
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I think Miss Bakkin is Mother Caramel. Her fingers are the same, her facial features are the same (look at that jaw, and those lips!), her height is the same… The only difference is she now has a pointier nose.
It seems obvious to me.
I don't think her height is the same at all actually. According to last chapter, Mother Caramel looks way taller
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For people commenting on the incompetence of BM's crew, I would like to remind that Jack is still at the bottom of the ocean for being a needless bully
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For people commenting on the incompetence of BM's crew, I would like to remind that Jack is still at the bottom of the ocean for being a needless bully
And Burguess got beaten by Sabo just like Freeza did to Vegeta in Namek.
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For people commenting on the incompetence of BM's crew, I would like to remind that Jack is still at the bottom of the ocean for being a needless bully
You mean that he lost against something eventually being an ancient weapon ? and against 2admirals ?
Anyways, I ain't saying a thing about Bigmom's crew but that really ain't the same thing, specially when the whole crew is on WCI and Jack and Burgess were alone. Well I mean, Jack was the only worthy pirates on Zou… fodders don't count of course
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The surprises coming at the Big Mom pirates are many, and fast pacing. Like I said before, it may have been several chapters, but the time that went by may have been no longer than a couple of minutes.
Anytime anyone wants to intervene, they may face Big Mom's wrath. Is it not funny, that as soon as Big Mom was hit by confusion, all the Big Mom pirates started to act immediately.
Not every guest at the wedding is a Big Mom pirate or a combatant.
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Zunisha, an ancient weapon?
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That he might. Nevertheless, I would find it a stretch if it turned out 'Caramel' Bonney has been around for over 60 years, with all the effort Oda made to introduce her as one of the Worst Gen rookies. Her fruit may allow her to hide her actual age, but it doesn't explain why no-one would have heard of her before.
Well, Bege is an old timer mafia boss. They are only rookies as pirates, it doesn't mean they need to be young or can't have made names for themselves in other areas already.
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My problem with the displayed competence of the recent enemy teams like Doflamingo and Big Mom Pirates is their dysfunctionality as a team. To quote Zoro from Punk Hazard: This is the goddamn New World!!! This is the final sea where only the best of the best are supposed to have any chance at all. But aside from being stronger I don't feel any difference at all. Sure, Doflamingo and Big Mom are incredibly strong, but that's just is it.
Is it really too much to expect at least one of the endgame villains to
#1 have a non-dysfunctional crew that can work together and actually rival the Strawhats' teamwork?
#2 be an actual competent leader?Both Doflamingo and Big Mom are average leaders at best, and their crews are average at best, too. (Again, not talikng about strength here.) I don't want to see the Strawhats dealing with these kinds of enemies any more. We had the East Blue and the Paradise for these villains. Now I want to see the creme de la creme. I want the Strawhats to have to bring their A+ game in order to deal with Big Mom's A game. Instead we get the Strawhats bringing their B game in order to best the enemies' C game.
Aside from Big Mom and some others like Katakuri being super powerful I don't really feel any threat coming from them.
Like, what do we have? Everyone fears Big Mom big time preventing the overall team from actually being not completely inefficient as a whole. Incredibly lazy writing.
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My problem with the displayed competence of the recent enemy teams like Doflamingo and Big Mom Pirates is their dysfunctionality as a team. To quote Zoro from Punk Hazard: This is the goddamn New World!!! This is the final sea where only the best of the best are supposed to have any chance at all. But aside from being stronger I don't feel any difference at all. Sure, Doflamingo and Big Mom are incredibly strong, but that's just is it.
Is it really too much to expect at least one of the endgame villains to
#1 have a non-dysfunctional crew that can work together and actually rival the Strawhats' teamwork?
#2 be an actual competent leader?Both Doflamingo and Big Mom are average leaders at best, and their crews are average at best, too. (Again, not talikng about strength here.) I don't want to see the Strawhats dealing with these kinds of enemies any more. We had the East Blue and the Paradise for these villains. Now I want to see the creme de la creme. I want the Strawhats to have to bring their A+ game in order to deal with Big Mom's A game. Instead we get the Strawhats bringing their B game in order to best the enemies' C game.
Aside from Big Mom and some others like Katakuri being super powerful I don't really feel any threat coming from them.
Like, what do we have? Everyone fears Big Mom big time preventing the overall team from actually being not completely inefficient as a whole. Incredibly lazy writing.
It's going to be hard to pull off in the anime. I don't think it's lazy writing I just think there is quite a lot of plot thrown in all at once that 3 chapters feel slow and characters actions seem delayed, if you consider that a lot of the events are overlapping in real time it isn't that bad.
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My problem with the displayed competence of the recent enemy teams like Doflamingo and Big Mom Pirates is their dysfunctionality as a team. To quote Zoro from Punk Hazard: This is the goddamn New World!!! This is the final sea where only the best of the best are supposed to have any chance at all. But aside from being stronger I don't feel any difference at all. Sure, Doflamingo and Big Mom are incredibly strong, but that's just is it.
Is it really too much to expect at least one of the endgame villains to
#1 have a non-dysfunctional crew that can work together and actually rival the Strawhats' teamwork?
#2 be an actual competent leader?Both Doflamingo and Big Mom are average leaders at best, and their crews are average at best, too. (Again, not talikng about strength here.) I don't want to see the Strawhats dealing with these kinds of enemies any more. We had the East Blue and the Paradise for these villains. Now I want to see the creme de la creme. I want the Strawhats to have to bring their A+ game in order to deal with Big Mom's A game. Instead we get the Strawhats bringing their B game in order to best the enemies' C game.
Aside from Big Mom and some others like Katakuri being super powerful I don't really feel any threat coming from them.
Like, what do we have? Everyone fears Big Mom big time preventing the overall team from actually being not completely inefficient as a whole. Incredibly lazy writing.
I don't think the Donquixote Pirates were inefficient as a team at all. Just look at their team up against Franky, and later against the Colosseum gladiators. Not to mention Buffalo and Baby 5's teamwork in Punk Hazard. Where they fell short was when the 1v1s became established and settled, as there wasn't enough time for Oda to give them satisfying conclusions.
As for your statement about the Straw Hats' B Game vs. the BM Pirates' C Game, that's pretty much the intended situation to be created here. The Straw Hats aren't going after Big Mom in full force, they're trying to pull off a fast assassination attempt. The Big Mom Pirates, save for Katakuri, have been caught completely off-guard, and we know full well that they're not exactly go-getters - everything they have done ever since their introduction has been on Big Mom's orders. The battle between Luffy and the Enraged Army more resembled an A Game vs. A Game, where the Big Mom Pirates played off each others' skills in order to take down Luffy and Nami. But in the kind of breakneck situation we're dealing with now, I wouldn't expect an A Game from either side, except for Katakuri since he can see the future and Bege since he's the mastermind.
Also, one doesn't have to have a crew that's a well-oiled machine built on mutual trust to succeed in the New World. Long-term, it's definitely the best choice, as the Straw Hats show. But in some cases, such as Big Mom and quite likely Kaido, we are seeing how one can gain power from influence based on fear. This method is common anywhere you might look, and though it's almost always toxic in the long term, it does bear fruit, especially when it comes to people as short-sighted as Big Mom and Kaido are. There's a reason why those two have a very unlikely shot of getting to Raftel in contrast to Luffy and Blackbeard, who is pretty much the only villain with a true well-oiled counterpart crew. Not to mention that many of the conflicts in OP are based off a difference in perspective - if every New World villain cherished and adored their crewmates and they were a well-oiled machine, what would differentiate them from each other? There is not one specific way to succeed as a crew - each has their own specific strengths and weaknesses. Now, groups like Luffy's are built on a foundation of trust and put work into ensuring that every crewmember plays a role, drastically increasing their efficiency, but they do lack in terms of numbers, which the Big Mom Pirates demonstrated to their advantage in the Enraged Army fight and the brief conflict in 864.
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Well whatever, screw Doflamingo and Dressrosa, but shouldn't at least Yonko crews be better oiled machines? I agree with your view on Kaido, however, I hope we really get proved wrong and the Beast Pirates really turn out as an actual better oiled machine.
However, these Yonko crews are supposed to have been around loooooong, right? Seriously, how could they have survived that long if they are build upon such a toxic fundation? Yes, I know… The answer is because no one really challenge them that much as the Strawhats do and because they REEEEEEALLY are strong. During the whole course of the series smaller crews with good teamwork always were presented preferably towards bigger crews relying on sheer number. So would it be really too much to get a Yonko antagonist who actually is more than that at this point of the story?
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Well whatever, screw Doflamingo and Dressrosa, but shouldn't at least Yonko crews be better oiled machines? I agree with your view on Kaido, however, I hope we really get proved wrong and the Beast Pirates really turn out as an actual better oiled machine.
However, these Yonko crews are supposed to have been around loooooong, right? Seriously, how could they have survived that long if they are build upon such a toxic fundation? Yes, I know… The answer is because no one really challenge them that much as the Strawhats do and because they REEEEEEALLY are strong. During the whole course of the series smaller crews with good teamwork always were presented preferably towards bigger crews relying on sheer number. So would it be really too much to get a Yonko antagonist who actually is more than that at this point of the story?
Well the only Yonko crews that seem to have the "quality over quantity" principle are BB's and Shanks' crews (Shanks is pretty debatable since we don't know much about his crew), even Whitebeard's crew was basically WB, Marco, Jozu and Vista (Ace too but we haven't really seen him do a lot as an actual part of the crew, he spent most of his time away hunting BB after all), the rest were simply there to make up the numbers. As for Kaido, with how much emphasis is given on him having 500 Zoan users in his crew it's very likely that he also prefers quantity over quality, he even implies this when talking about how he wanted a DF only crew. BM seems to be the same, her forces are pretty numerous when you think about it, 85 children and we can assume that at least 50-60 of those are of fighting age, and that's also taking into account older non-combatant children like Chiffon, Praliné, Moscato, and, to some degree, Pudding. She also has her regular crew with people like Tamago and Bobbins. That's a lot of non-fodder (narratively speaking) executives, too many if you ask me. Numbers are good if it was literally a full blown conflict between the SHs and the BM pirates, we've seen how effective the Enraged army is , which, apparently, is just a fraction of her forces, when it comes to an outright battle. However, it just doesn't work that well in a tight and chaotic space like the Wedding Venue. Numbers can backfire in situations like these, because numbers require coordination and orders, and right now the highest authority on the venue is going fucking haywire and has pretty much lost all sense of space and time. Katakuri knows what's up cause he can see the future, but his orders were basically ignored cause Shonen Manga.
Mind you I agree that the BM pirates could have been portrayed much better and I can definitely understand the complaints about some of them, especially Perospero and Smoothie. But I personally haven't given up on them and imma wait until the arc is over before I bash any of them. So like I said, quantity over quality seems to be theme for BM and Kaido. Can't say i'm surprised tbh. -
Well whatever, screw Doflamingo and Dressrosa, but shouldn't at least Yonko crews be better oiled machines? I agree with your view on Kaido, however, I hope we really get proved wrong and the Beast Pirates really turn out as an actual better oiled machine.
However, these Yonko crews are supposed to have been around loooooong, right? Seriously, how could they have survived that long if they are build upon such a toxic fundation? Yes, I know… The answer is because no one really challenge them that much as the Strawhats do and because they REEEEEEALLY are strong. During the whole course of the series smaller crews with good teamwork always were presented preferably towards bigger crews relying on sheer number. So would it be really too much to get a Yonko antagonist who actually is more than that at this point of the story?
We have BB who is bizarre-o Luffy with a shadow version of Luffy's crew.
And we have Shanks and his way more experienced crew with similar vibe to what you are describing is "missing".
Then we have a vastly different challenge with Kaido whereas you have a seemingly invincible boss with a huge and powerful army. Then you have the Marines which is another challenge entirely, then the crushing force of the World Government lurking.There are many forms of challenges set up in front of the SH's not even including the rivals of the worst generation. Not sure exactly what your complaint is? That Big Mom is a mess? Well that's just how she's set up, personal grudge, force, and chaos… a dysfunctional family of sorts. Head on in battle one on one with her crew versus another crew or a planned attack of her doing is probably much more organized and terrifying but we are seeing a series of dominoes fall into place when her guard is down because Big Mom got too big for her big soggy britches.
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My problem with the displayed competence of the recent enemy teams like Doflamingo and Big Mom Pirates is their dysfunctionality as a team. To quote Zoro from Punk Hazard: This is the goddamn New World!!! This is the final sea where only the best of the best are supposed to have any chance at all. But aside from being stronger I don't feel any difference at all. Sure, Doflamingo and Big Mom are incredibly strong, but that's just is it.
Is it really too much to expect at least one of the endgame villains to
#1 have a non-dysfunctional crew that can work together and actually rival the Strawhats' teamwork?
#2 be an actual competent leader?Both Doflamingo and Big Mom are average leaders at best, and their crews are average at best, too. (Again, not talikng about strength here.) I don't want to see the Strawhats dealing with these kinds of enemies any more. We had the East Blue and the Paradise for these villains. Now I want to see the creme de la creme. I want the Strawhats to have to bring their A+ game in order to deal with Big Mom's A game. Instead we get the Strawhats bringing their B game in order to best the enemies' C game.
Aside from Big Mom and some others like Katakuri being super powerful I don't really feel any threat coming from them.
Like, what do we have? Everyone fears Big Mom big time preventing the overall team from actually being not completely inefficient as a whole. Incredibly lazy writing.
Dofla did not have a dysfunctional crew. They actually worked pretty well. As far as leader goes he seems to create great devotion and the top executives were his family. HIs problem was arrogance and hubris.
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Well whatever, screw Doflamingo and Dressrosa, but shouldn't at least Yonko crews be better oiled machines?
You would think so but say we just facing the female one wait for someone like Kaido before making a judgement.
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Someone needs to record a parody of Avicii's "Hey Brother" called "Hey Mother". Seems like it would be appropriate.
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Just called katakuri to know what's happening in the future next chapters, but he already knew I was going to call and shut his mobile off right before
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Well the only Yonko crews that seem to have the "quality over quantity" principle are BB's and Shanks' crews (Shanks is pretty debatable since we don't know much about his crew), even Whitebeard's crew was basically WB, Marco, Jozu and Vista (Ace too but we haven't really seen him do a lot as an actual part of the crew, he spent most of his time away hunting BB after all), the rest were simply there to make up the numbers. As for Kaido, with how much emphasis is given on him having 500 Zoan users in his crew it's very likely that he also prefers quantity over quality, he even implies this when talking about how he wanted a DF only crew. BM seems to be the same, her forces are pretty numerous when you think about it, 85 children and we can assume that at least 50-60 of those are of fighting age, and that's also taking into account older non-combatant children like Chiffon, Praliné, Moscato, and, to some degree, Pudding. She also has her regular crew with people like Tamago and Bobbins. That's a lot of non-fodder (narratively speaking) executives, too many if you ask me. Numbers are good if it was literally a full blown conflict between the SHs and the BM pirates, we've seen how effective the Enraged army is , which, apparently, is just a fraction of her forces, when it comes to an outright battle. However, it just doesn't work that well in a tight and chaotic space like the Wedding Venue. Numbers can backfire in situations like these, because numbers require coordination and orders, and right now the highest authority on the venue is going fucking haywire and has pretty much lost all sense of space and time. Katakuri knows what's up cause he can see the future, but his orders were basically ignored cause Shonen Manga.
Mind you I agree that the BM pirates could have been portrayed much better and I can definitely understand the complaints about some of them, especially Perospero and Smoothie. But I personally haven't given up on them and imma wait until the arc is over before I bash any of them. So like I said, quantity over quality seems to be theme for BM and Kaido. Can't say i'm surprised tbh.Well as far as we know BB has 10 ships each having a comander or something like that, it is also a lot of people unless they are still the same number just with more ships.
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That he might. Nevertheless, I would find it a stretch if it turned out 'Caramel' Bonney has been around for over 60 years, with all the effort Oda made to introduce her as one of the Worst Gen rookies. Her fruit may allow her to hide her actual age, but it doesn't explain why no-one would have heard of her before.
well she changed apearance and Akainu seemed to know her well ..
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A part of me wonders if there's literally only one person on each of Blackbeard's ships, being the captains themselves.
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A part of me wonders if there's literally only one person on each of Blackbeard's ships, being the captains themselves.
Looking at how Whitebeard's crew divisions are set up, which the Blackbeard Pirates' crew is modeled after, I think they will each have their own share of minions.
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yeh, Robin said they had reinforcements during the Grudge War, so they do have more people, we just haven't see them yet.
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@S.C.:
A part of me wonders if there's literally only one person on each of Blackbeard's ships, being the captains themselves.
Ignore that part of yourself then. :ninja:
BB wouldn't be able to hold any kind of "territory" with a 10 people, no matter how strong they were. Plus he promoted each of his original crew to captains. Doesn't make sense for them to be captains to themselves only.
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BB wouldn't be able to hold any kind of "territory" with a 10 people, no matter how strong they were. Plus he promoted each of his original crew to captains. Doesn't make sense for them to be captains to themselves only.
But it is not implyed that Yonko are only that when they own some territory. You're in the group when you beat other one forces, apparently.
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But it is not implyed that Yonko are only that when they own some territory. You're in the group when you beat other one forces, apparently.
It was stated that Blackbeard conquered all of Whitebeard's territory, except Fishman Island. You can't hold control over that territory with just 10 people.
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It was stated that Blackbeard conquered all of Whitebeard's territory, except Fishman Island. You can't hold control over that territory with just 10 people.
Again, it is not implyed that you're Yonko by having territory… but with the world accepting you as deserving that title.
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@Shobu:
Again, it is not implyed that you're Yonko by having territory… but with the world accepting you as deserving that title.
I never said that - regardless of the fact that BB's a Yonko, it's confirmed he does have territory in the New World. Territory too expansive for 10 people to lord over.
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@Kaido:
I never said that - regardless of the fact that BB's a Yonko, it's confirmed he does have territory in the New World. Territory too expansive for 10 people to lord over.
Funny, i didn't meddle about an impossibility for Yonko to have territories
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Theoretically I could imagine holding that territory with only 10 people, you 'just' have to be that strong and fearsome that really no one wants to even slightly piss you off.
However, practically not so much. Especially considering that one key aspect of OP's battle system consists of conquering stuff - including people!
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Theoretically I could imagine holding that territory with only 10 people, you 'just' have to be that strong and fearsome that really no one wants to even slightly piss you off.
However, practically not so much. Especially considering that one key aspect of OP's battle system consists of conquering stuff - including people!
there are literally 9 amazingly strong captains constantly challenging the Yonko atm, so much to a point where they sink several of their ships(Kidd), beat up various commanders(Luffy, Uouge) and pretend to join them to bring them down(Capone and likely Drake), so yeah NO, you need lots of people, as Sai? said, no matter how strong you are, you always going to lose to numbers.
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I don't think it's only a matter of strenght. But also of the impossibility of being physically present at the same time in 2 locations lol. Regardless of how strong they are, 10 people can't just reign over a sea territory that probably extends over thousands of square miles.
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They are called emperors because they rule over something. Which means they have manpower, territory and various resources at their disposal.
Let's say Blackbeard, after putting on a show, just kept adventuring with his crew, low profile. Nobody would call him an emperor. Maybe someone else would use the opportunity or the remaining 3 would expand their own territory.
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If Luffy is going to have his own fleet of minions/allies then anti-Luffy is sure to have one.
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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then anti-Luffy is sure to have one.
I'm now picturing Sabaody's faux Luffy with a faux fleet as well. :ninja:
Eh, fuck it.
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I'm now picturing Sabaody's faux Luffy with a faux fleet as well. :ninja:
Well, he WAS recruiting people. :ninja:
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I must say, i'm dissatisfied with Reiju's development. I think this stems from her character not having enough charisma to be compelling. That's too bad, a storyline where Sanji reconciles with his estranged sister should be interesting.
Linlin's reaction to the shattered picture was the highlight of this chapter for me. I wasn't expecting her to be as broken up about it as she was. It was a nice touch, the cliffhanger the chapter ends on is done a great service because of it. I feel good about the next chapter, the best part is I won't even have to wait long for it. Thank goodness for procrastination.
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((gets ready for early spoilers))
Time to see where Cabbage's story is going to. ooh and Linlin's fb yeaah that too but meeh, Cabbage is priority.
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((gets ready for early spoilers))
Wait, really? Why are we getting them early?
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We usually get them when the Megazine is on a break or there is a Holiday, but it doesn't seems to be the case.
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I kind of got the impression that whenever One Piece gets a break, we do get early spoilers all the time, sometimes, just 1 or 2 days earlier, or on extreme cases, we get them on sunday like the other day, but for real, I do feel like they do come earlier.
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We usually get them when the Megazine is on a break or there is a Holiday, but it doesn't seems to be the case.
the Shonen Jump is just a brand of One Piece now:ninja:
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Wow this Totto land arc is freaky lol
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I'm now picturing Sabaody's faux Luffy with a faux fleet as well. :ninja:
I was imagining a fake blackbeard in the new world lol
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Another note: Elbaf is officially translated to Elbaph, I guess no Fable spelled backwards eh.
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Another note: Elbaf is officially translated to Elbaph, I guess no Fable spelled backwards eh.
That is only VIZ's old transliteration from Little Garden that for reasons of consistency they are forced to adopt for the whole manga, Stephen was not yet the translator back then. But Oda, as far as i know, has never revealed his own personal transliteration in roman alphabet, Elbaf being purposely the backward of Fable is still a valid possibility.
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That is only VIZ's old transliteration from Little Garden that for reasons of consistency they are forced to adopt for the whole manga, Stephen was not yet the translator back then. But Oda, as far as i know, has never revealed his own personal transliteration in roman alphabet, Elbaf being purposely the backward of Fable is still a valid possibility.
I know, I was just picking fun on the idea of how much the Elbaf <-> Fable has been present on the fans mind, that the latest chapter, consitency or not kinda smears on that relationship.
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i just want to say early spoiler :P
