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Did she really…. eat them?
Dragon's DF: Debunked!
Carmel=Bonney: Debunked!
All theories debunked!
So how did she got Caramel's power?
Huh, there's definitely some sort of memory tampering going on here - Carmel's actions are certainly a conundrum. Interested to see where this leads.
There's blood on the ground, apart of all the scattered stuff and what's ummistakably the torn robes of Carmel.
Oda wasn't even subtle, Big Mom really ate them all.
Okay but the soul soul devil fruit thing is not addressed in the flashback.
What the hell Oda?
Realistically she only had to eat mother Carmel, the rest would run as fast as humanly possible and never ever ever look back.
Okay but the soul soul devil fruit thing is not addressed in the flashback.
What the hell Oda?
If you want an answer to how Big Mom got her hands on Carmel's search for Smiley, Caesar's pet.
Pandora was the wife of Prometheus' brother in Greek myths. She was created by Zeus as a gift for Prometheus, who rejected her because Zeus is bad news, and then she went to his brother to do all the box related things she is known for.
Realistically she only had to eat mother Carmel, the rest would run as fast as humanly possible and never ever ever look back.
With her voracious appetite they probably didn't even have the chance to run away.
If you want an answer to how Big Mom got her hands on Carmel's search for Smiley, Caesar's pet.
If Carmel's DF was reincarnated in a nearby fruit and Big Mom ate that too, it's fine and it actually makes sense. However, I wish that Oda showed that in a panel, since this is an issue he raised by giving Mother Carmel the same DF as Big Mom. If he doesn't show that it's just speculation and, unless this is addressed later, bad storytelling I think.
This can't be an Ace thing: why would Big Mom even search for Carmel's power, she didn't even know she had it.
So how did she got Caramel's power?
She ate her.
People are saying she ate a fruit that the power transfered into once Mother Carmel died (from beaing eaten), similar to Smiely, but I bet 10000000000 dollars that she got the power from ACTUALLY eating Mother Carmel herself.
Okay but the soul soul devil fruit thing is not addressed in the flashback.
What the hell Oda?
if she really ate her,it's possible she took the powers that way
we technically never though of cannibalism when talking about devil fruits..if the fruits are vessels of the power,it's possible that the people that ate them become vessels to and act as living fruits
of coruse there are some pieces in the puzzle that don't allign,like the fact that you only need to ingest a little part of the fruit to get the powers,but we already saw devil fruit users being biten and they still retained their powers..but i don't think Oda thought that much in advance if that's indeed what happened.
I'm opening up a camp called She-didn't-eat-them. Anyone want to join me?
Sure, I'd say it's implied to us readers that is what may have happened. However, my guess is rather that those government people came there and took the other kids and fought with Caramel. There is no blood on Big Mom's face, which I'd at least say we'd see a bit of if she had eaten them. Afterall, we see a bunch of cream on her face from the Semlor.
Caramel tells them this is the last of her shipments, and she wants a bunch of money. This is an illegal activity. They can't use her again after this. Simple. Kill Caramel and take all of the kids (regardless of how traumatized they may be from that). Why wasn't Big Mom taken as well then? Most certainly tried, but from what we have been shown she is quite unstopable while eating.
I feel pretty confident that this is somewhat how it may have conspired. How Big Mom got the same fruit… Well, we don't know for sure how the reemergance of a fruit works.
Holly shit, she is scary :-O
Well, that was a twist. You think you're shown a kindly mother figure? BAM! Slave dealer. For all the kinks that this arc has had, Oda still retains his talent for surprise.
And apparently, eating a person will also grant you their DF powers. New acquisition method confirmed, welcome to Cannibal Piece.
Other than that, mother Carmel's fate wasn't expected, but it still makes for an interesting chapter
The most surprising thing in this chapter is the popularity of Bink's Sake
Don't know if anyone pointed it out, but that island they moved to is totally the future Totland, is it not?
holy shiz! she ate them all!
so that is how you take a devil fruit from someone alive? you eat them?
makes sense, but it doesn't seem like you have to eat them whole as blackbeard clearly didn't do that. he probably just ate his heart.
I don't believe it.gif
If Carmel's DF was reincarnated in a nearby fruit and Big Mom ate that too, it's fine and it actually makes sense. However, I wish that Oda showed that in a panel, since this is an issue he raised by giving Mother Carmel the same DF as Big Mom. If he doesn't show that it's just speculation and, unless this is addressed later, bad storytelling I think.
This can't be an Ace thing: why would Big Mom even search for Carmel's power, she didn't even know she had it.
don't show everything in detail it's not bad storytelling in itself when you are given sufficient data to use your mind to figure out the rest
Oh shit! My dumb, nonsensical prediction that was intended to be joke turned out to be correct.
@pRopaaNS:
Where have Mother Caramel gone? She's normal sized person, so someday Big Mom accidentially ate her without noticing.
Well, that was a twist. You think you're shown a kindly mother figure? BAM! Slave dealer. For all the kinks that this arc has had, Oda still retains his talent for surprise.
And apparently, eating a person will also grant you their DF powers. New acquisition method confirmed, welcome to Cannibal Piece.
Other than that, mother Carmel's fate wasn't expected, but it still makes for an interesting chapter
the funny thing is,that this "heel turn" also explains the lack of teaching skills shown inn the last chapter by carnel,she never intended to discipline her at all.
@SBS:
D: I am Jim Joel Satou!! And I have a question.
IF I EAT LUFFY, CAN I BECOME A GOMU HUMAN?!
O: You'd get food poisoning.
Just to stop all devil fruit cannibalism speculation. Of course it's not a clear "no" per se, we'd have to look at the original Japanese script.
As has been said, the most obvious explanation of the devil fruit transfer is Big Mom eating Carmel. I imagine it's something like you have to eat the heart of a devil fruit user to get their power. That's what Blackbeard would have been doing.
I'm not convinced all the kids were eaten. They may well have fled while Carmel was being chomped.
lmfao, did she just eat them? so now we know how Teach's crew is stealing DFs, by eating people….. shit
I can read the sfx of scream..Aaaahhh!!. It is the next panel after panel of linlin eating crocobunch.. Damn, that's brutal.
Just to stop all devil fruit cannibalism speculation. Of course it's not a clear "no" per se, we'd have to look at the original Japanese script.
they were all there,linlin started eating so voraciously that she even chomped at the table,and a couple instant laters everyone is gone and in their places there's only blood and clothes
it's more than just speculations at this point…even if you consider "something else" as a possibility,linlin eats fast, there's not really that much time between her starting to eat and her finishing to something else to have happened
also,since we also saw some extra stuff in this flashback that linlin could not have known, even the "unreliable narrator" it's kind of impossible...those are facts..either that or oda has mixed the two without any clear distinction,and that would be bad storytelling.
I like how Oda doesn't have to do something graphic to make us understand she just ate everyone (or at least Caramel)
Linlin probably just ate a nearby fruit on the food storage or something.
Linlin probably just ate a nearby fruit on the food storage or something.
well,yeah,it's possible that after carmel's death the fruit transferred to a nearby fruit in the storage and linlin than ate it in the following days before she left the sheep house entirely.
So, in a 2 chapter flashback, Oda gave us: insight on Elbaf, a bit of world history, why the giants hate Linlin and vice versa (killing Jorul), why she thinks she can get what she wants (Carmel's bad education), why she acts like a Big Mom for a land with diverse species (emulating Mother Carmel and her house of Lambs), the origins of her eating disorders and love of Croquembouche, the method of creation of Prometheus, Zeus, and Napoleon (like Carmel created Pandora), where her devil fruit comes from, and why she is intransigent about people wanting to leave her, like Jinbe (she was just "left" by Mother and everyone else). Wow. Impressive flashback, shorter than usual, but still great stuff. There is a clear implication that she ate everyone, but I'm in the "Marines or someone else came, took everyone, but Linlin was so focused on eating that they couldn't take her and she was the only one left behind". Oh, and I'm in the "Pudding must have tampered with the memory of the blacked out events" camp, in case it hasn't been mentioned yet.
Nuns are bad news in One Piece.
Just to stop all devil fruit cannibalism speculation. Of course it's not a clear "no" per se, we'd have to look at the original Japanese script.
Not trying to contradict anyone or any theories. But in the JP version he simply says, "You'd get food poisoning." Granted his avoiding answering the question suggests 'no' but at the same time it's entirely open-ended if you want it to be. We shall find out I imagine!
Now im curious on how Big Mom survives into adulthood now that she's all alone and without any guidance.
don't show everything in detail it's not bad storytelling in itself when you are given sufficient data to use your mind to figure out the rest
But we don't know how devil fruits work in detail. We only have that hint from Punk Hazard, however we know that "there is another way" unless Blackbeard had a fruit in his pocket and the cloak thing on Whitebeard's corpse was just a show.
Moreover, there isn't a single fruit shown in any of the panels.
And then there is the SBS which says that if you eat Luffy you don't get his powers.
How is this sufficient data? It's wild speculation.
So, in a 2 chapter flashback, Oda gave us: insight on Elbaf, a bit of world history, why the giants hate Linlin and vice versa (killing Jorul), why she thinks she can get what she wants (Carmel's bad education), why she acts like a Big Mom for a land with diverse species (emulating Mother Carmel and her house of Lambs), the origins of her eating disorders and love of Croquembouche, the method of creation of Prometheus, Zeus, and Napoleon (like Carmel created Pandora), where her devil fruit comes from, and why she is intransigent about people wanting to leave her, like Jinbe (she was just "left" by Mother and everyone else). Wow. Impressive flashback, shorter than usual, but still great stuff. There is a clear implication that she ate everyone, but I'm in the "Marines or someone else came, took everyone, but Linlin was so focused on eating that they couldn't take her and she was the only one left behind". Oh, and I'm in the "Pudding must have tampered with the memory of the blacked out events" camp, in case it hasn't been mentioned yet.
either that marine is kizaru or it happened way too fast for that being the work of marined that went and kidnapped everybody..that child eats at warp speed
also,why would they leave the most interesting child of them all? i mean the other were just normal kids that were sold for espionage..she was a one of a kind specimen able to be one of the most powerful beings in the entire world without even trying.
also,the mind tampering stuff doesn't really work when we get something linlin couldn't have known inside the flashback..it's either from her point of view or it's not.
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But we don't know how devil fruits work in detail. We only have that hint from Punk Hazard, however we know that "there is another way" unless Blackbeard had a fruit in his pocket and the cloak thing on Whitebeard's corpse was just a show.
Moreover, there isn't a single fruit shown in any of the panels.
And then there is the SBS which says that if you eat Luffy you don't get his powers.How is this sufficient data? It's wild speculation.
we will probably get the "final lesson" on devil fruits when vegapunk will appear
why would they leave the most interesting child of them all? i mean the other were just normal kids that were sold for espionage..she was a one of a kind specimen able to be one of the most powerful beings in the entire world without even trying.
I'd imagine they tried to snag her, but at this point I'm sure we can imagine ourselves how that may have gone :)
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Oh, and I'm in the "Pudding must have tampered with the memory of the blacked out events" camp, in case it hasn't been mentioned yet.
A sub-branch of the She-didn't-eat-them camp :)
Wait, if you simply can eat the user to get their devil fruits, then there would be a weird phenomenon of seakings sinking whenever they manage to digest a devil fruit user.
I'd imagine they tried to snag her, but at this point I'm sure we can imagine ourselves how that may have gone :)
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A sub-branch of the She-didn't-eat-them camp :)
even in that case the entire thing would have happened way too fast,we already saw how fast she eats from the previous chapter…reach the place,seize everyone and leave while she finished a single crouquembouche it's impossible for anyone that isn't named kizaru
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Wait, if you simply can eat the user to get their devil fruits, then there would be a weird phenomenon of seakings sinking whenever they manage to digest a devil fruit user.
even if that's the case they would just sink,die of hunger and the fruit will come back later somewhere else in some random fruit.
She ate them all, period.
It's not just all the stuff scattered on the ground and the stains of blood. The panels that show BM eating have sfx of people screams.
Cannibalism in its most subtle expression.
either that marine is kizaru or it happened way too fast for that being the work of marined that went and kidnapped everybody..that child eats at warp speed
also,why would they leave the most interesting child of them all? i mean the other were just normal kids that were sold for espionage..she was a one of a kind specimen able to be one of the most powerful beings in the entire world without even trying.also,the mind tampering stuff doesn't really work when we get something linlin couldn't have known inside the flashback..it's either from her point of view or it's not.
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we will probably get the "final lesson" on devil fruits when vegapunk will appear
I understand where you're coming from, but I think Oda is once again misleading us and framed everything to lead us to a wrong conclusion. Linlin can stay in that eating trance for a while, enough for a short battle to happen while she has no idea what's going on around her. Let's see where this leads to, but there is something fishy about the whole situation that I believe will be properly explained by the end of the arc.
they were all there,linlin started eating so voraciously that she even chomped at the table,and a couple instant laters everyone is gone and in their places there's only blood and clothes
it's more than just speculations at this point…even if you consider "something else" as a possibility,linlin eats fast, there's not really that much time between her starting to eat and her finishing to something else to have happened
also,since we also saw some extra stuff in this flashback that linlin could not have known, even the "unreliable narrator" it's kind of impossible...those are facts..either that or oda has mixed the two without any clear distinction,and that would be bad storytelling.
Sorry if I was being unclear, I was referring to the theory that Linlin got the Soul Soul Fruit by eating Mother Carmel, not whether she actually ate them all.
Not trying to contradict anyone or any theories. But in the JP version he simply says, "You'd get food poisoning." Granted his avoiding answering the question suggests 'no' but at the same time it's entirely open-ended if you want it to be. We shall find out I imagine!
Thanks for the info! Yeah, that's what I figured, that it's not a clear "nope, powers are not transferrable by eating fruit users". Still, I think Oda mentally outlined how Devil Fruits work from the very beginning, would he really answer such a crucial question in a SBS or at all? Is there a similar precedent? I can't think of one off the top of my head
I agree it seems like Oda may be trying to mislead the reader into thinking there was cannibalism when there wasn't.
However, how would Linlin get Carmel's fruit if it was not like that? The Marines came, took the kids away, then for some reason killed Carmel leaving her clothes - but not her body - behind and Linlin coincidentally ate the fruit that got her powers (well, assuming she probably ate everything in the island in the following days, this last part would not be that weird)? Also, the fact Linlin doesn't remember what happens suggest she was on her trance anyways and it would be too coincidental for all of that to happen exactly when she was in that state (unless she was actually asleep because Carmel put some sleeping drug in the croquembouche).
Why many people bring bb into this.In his case he just have to bring a fruit (ceasar's method)
Sorry if I was being unclear, I was referring to the theory that Linlin got the Soul Soul Fruit by eating Mother Carmel, not whether she actually ate them all.
Thanks for the info! Yeah, that's what I figured, that it's not a clear "nope, powers are not transferrable by eating fruit users". Still, I think Oda mentally outlined how Devil Fruits work from the very beginning, would he really answer such a crucial question in a SBS or at all? Is there a similar precedent? I can't think of one off the top of my head
oh ok..well it's either by eating her or eating a fruit in the storage of the sheep house that got her fruit after she died..it's kind of irrelevant which of the two since it's not like cannibalism will become a thing in onepiece now..killing and then looking for the fruit or using whatever method blackbeard is using will remain the method for take devil fruit powers.
that being said,i think that since oda didn't explain things further, we should look at the more direct solution (she got her powers from eating her) instead of the more "long explanation" even if it fits better with what we knew until now about devil fruits.
Wow, that got pretty dark pretty damn fast.
Linlin kills the chief.
Carmel is a long time, proud orphan seller.
Linlin has the happiest day of her life and apparently cannibalises all her friends and her mentor.
Shiiiit.
The Celestial dragons are spoiled kids of the government. What they do is not suppose to be normal.
As far has not letting them go in adulthood I doubt they would arrest a giant(or anyone) for not serving them but that's a matter of opinion. It would be money they paid years ago and a giant in a cell is not doing much to pay that investment.
i was thinking how he took the like of Monet, Law, Bufallo when they had nothing and made them grow to be loyal to him.
Just to keep this line of discussion going, man Sakazuki did worse than arrest men that were still enlisted and loyal just for not wanting to fight at Marineford. Now that we have the chapter out, we can see CP agents openly discussing slave buying and charting out their career expectations for new purchases from a very young age. Seems pretty obvious they're in the business of child soldiers to me.
That said, of course not every soldier would have been enlisted and indoctrinated this way. I imagine they're a vast minority, and it's debatable how much the marine characters who are meant to be more morally grounded and likable, like Garp or Smoker, would actually know about this. (I would hope for their integrity as people it's very little, especially for Garp, I see him as a better person than that.)
Since the CP are a separate branch and seem to be the masterminds it could be that they brainwash or indoctrinate the new acquisitions before enlisting them to basic training to ensure they don't run or anything.
Obviously the navy as an organisation doesn't rely on slavery, and Doflamingo was the same, but neither of them are above using it when it suits them. That much is clear.