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      http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/1

      The hiking bear is eating out of a bowl called Secret.Is Chopper really a bear??

      Edit:Comparison between VIZ and Mangastream courtesy of BellisarioFaith
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      Not as many notable differences this time. I'm guessing the decreased amount of dialogue helped:

      ! * Yonji doesn't say the part about "Back when were were but a glint in his eye." Instead, it's just "In his younger days." (About Judge.) And while MS used "lineage factor" as the name for Vegapunk's discovery, VIZ calls it "bloodline elements."

      • Yonji's words in his first panel of MS page 7 (talking about the WG arresting Vegapunk): the VIZ version is, "The World Government felt threatened by this and arrested Vegapunk! The research team disbanded. Or should I say…they were absorbed by the Government." Somewhat different from the MS version. Also, the "clone pawns" are called "clone soldiers".

      • As I believe someone pointed out, in the panel after he uses Stealth, where he grabs Sanji, Niji's words to Sanji in VIZ are about Cosette, contrary to the implication by MS that he was referring to Zeff. His words are, "What's going on here? Have you taken a liking to that kitchen maid?" And then, after he beats Sanji, says about her, "If I'd known that, I wouldn't have smashed her face." Also, Ichiji doesn't call her a cripple here; he just says she can be Sanji's personal servant "if you don't mind her being seriously wounded."

      • VIZ specifically notes that the books Sanji has when feeing the mouse are Noland the Liar (continuity nod to the Jaya arc), which is the one he's actually reading, and a book about Devil Fruits (continuity nod to Thriller Bark, where he told Absalom he read that), which is the one sitting next to him. (Again, I think at least the former was already pointed out.)

      • Judge's words about the Vinsmoke mother: "Your mother is dead! Stop chasing her shadow!"

      • Reiju's words to Sanji: "Of course I had to laugh along with them. If I try to stop them, they'll pick on me too! Nobody wants that."

      • In VIZ, Judge specifically says Sanji died in an "unthinkable shipwreck" rather than just an accident.

      • All the kids seem to have more doubts about Sanji actually being dead. Niji wonders, "Is he really dead?" And Ichiji replies, "Dunno. Who really cares about him anyway?" This also creates a greater dissonance between his words and Reiju's subtly worried face in the next panel.

      • if you mean Mangastream pg 16 (where the doctor is talking about the developed outer skeletons of Sanji's three brothers, the lines are, "**Their exo-skeletons are developing well. The numbers say their resilience and strength are equivalent to full-grown men.

        But as for Sanji…well, this is a very delicate thing to say...but he must be considered a failure. The manipulation of bloodline elements should have worked for all four children, and yet, somehow, he is no different than the way he was born . . . I'm afraid Sanji is nothing but a human.**"

      that which cannot be stopped:inherited will,a man's dream,and the flow of time.as long as man continues to seek out the answer to freedom,these things shall never be stopped.-PK Gol D. Roger

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        Early chapter 2 weeks in a row! Nice.

        Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!

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          Damn what wonderful timing.

          Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.

          The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)

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            Third just like Sanji :blink:

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              Metal Gear One Piece

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                Poor Sanji…
                Yeah for Reiju not being completely evil. So Sanji's mom died and the siblings are genetic modified interesting.
                And I was not all wrong when I said Vegapunk and Judge are related, I was just wrong in assume that was by blood.

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                  So did they try to modify Sanji as well, but failed, or was he just regular to begin with?

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                    So SanJi Sister acted that Way because feared to be bullied as well interesting

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                      So did they try to modify Sanji as well, but failed, or was he just regular to begin with?

                      This is stated in the chapter.

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                        Hot chicks can't be evil, right?

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                          New challenger for the shittiest father has arrived. Damn.

                          Originally Posted by Outerspec

                          Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                          It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                            "You and that pathetic chef would make a cute couple."
                            "If you don't mind the company of a cripple, I'm sure we can arrange it so she's a member of your personal staff."

                            These lines have to be Mangastream exaggerations, right? They feel like far too much next to the kinds of threats and insults Oda would usually write, even for a callous character like Niiji.

                            Otherwise, fantastic chapter. Lots of interesting stuff to think about.

                            Vivre Card Archive One Piece in One Piece Covers Compilation

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                              9/10 on the evil scale for Judge. "To be continued" flashback coming… Sanji pulls a Luffy and gets a 2nd real flashback. No complaints here!
                              So, thoughts on when/how the kids were modified exactly?

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                                @Thatanas:

                                This is stated in the chapter.

                                I guess, the explanation is just a bit weird.

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                                  9/10 on the evil scale for Judge. "To be continued" flashback coming… Sanji pulls a Luffy and gets a 2nd real flashback. No complaints here!
                                  So, thoughts on when/how the kids were modified exactly?

                                  It must have been way before they were born/taken out of pods.

                                  Anyone else slowly getting tired of seeing Sanji beaten? :ninja:

                                  Originally Posted by Outerspec

                                  Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                                  It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                    The dialogue is far better this chapter than it was the past few. We finally got confirmation of his mother. Although I feel it would be a cliché, it wouldn't surprise me if Judge turned into captain Jerkass from his wife's death. I feel like he will have a character arc at some point on Wholecake.

                                    This Sanji stuff is such a delightful read I really don't give a shit about the fight between Luffy and Cracker anymore. Would be for the best if we just followed Sanji until the wedding when Luffy and the gang breaks in and crashes it.

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                                    It must have been way before they were born/taken out of pods.

                                    Anyone else slowly getting tired of seeing Sanji beaten? :ninja:

                                    All the Sanji fanboys in the world. Meanwhile the Zorotards cry their mating calls.

                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22kueYAG2lE

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                                      @Psycrow:

                                      9/10 on the evil scale for Judge. "To be continued" flashback coming… Sanji pulls a Luffy and gets a 2nd real flashback. No complaints here!
                                      So, thoughts on when/how the kids were modified exactly?

                                      Judge took the fetuses from out there mother's womb? >.>

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                                        Now CC could become interesting again. If he happens to re-Programm those clones, so they don't obey G66 anymore, then the fights against the Vinsmokes become much more fair.
                                        The eyebrows are curled like the Patterns on the DFs and the double-Helix of the DNA is curled as well. Well connected, Oda!

                                        There are a lot of different opinions and views in this forum when it comes to One Piece.

                                        But can we all agree that Roger's ship, the Oro Jackson, had the best figurehead in the story so far?

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                                          It must have been way before they were born/taken out of pods.

                                          Anyone else slowly getting tired of seeing Sanji beaten? :ninja:

                                          So you think Sanji isn't human (born from a human woman)? A lack of clarity is why I'm getting opinions on it.

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                                            And Judge's stupid mask finally makes sense as well. He probably has no curly eyebrows at all.

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                                            So you think Sanji isn't human (born from a human woman)? A lack of clarity is why I'm getting opinions on it.

                                            The doc this chapter confirmed it: Sanji is a regular human. Whatever human-modification Judge tried to put into Sanji, it didn't work.

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                                            This again also Shows what asshole the WG is:
                                            "Oh, creating humans is illegal, only god should be capable of that! Unless you are creating soldiers for us, of course!"
                                            And so the PXs were Born.

                                            There are a lot of different opinions and views in this forum when it comes to One Piece.

                                            But can we all agree that Roger's ship, the Oro Jackson, had the best figurehead in the story so far?

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                                              I'm leaning towards Sanji being human too… maybe Judge had his sperm modified? Lol
                                              His mother and "glint in our father's eye" were both mentioned, and anyway, when comics get into crazy stuff like "Peter Parker was a secret clone all these years!", it's usually met with raised eyebrows from fans.

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                                                So you think Sanji isn't human (born from a human woman)? A lack of clarity is why I'm getting opinions on it.

                                                Judge did mention a mother, so it wouldn't surprise me if all his kids are biological and have been genetically altered afterwards.

                                                edit: after all, they tested the Vinsmoke children when they were kids, so it wouldn't surprise me if they finished the alteration just shortly before the events off the flashback.

                                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22kueYAG2lE

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                                                  It must have been way before they were born/taken out of pods.

                                                  Anyone else slowly getting tired of seeing Sanji beaten? :ninja:

                                                  Actually in this chapter it was clear he was about to destroy Niji, who didn't even see the kick, and was forced to blackmail Sanji to hit him.
                                                  I don't understand all this lack of faith in Sanji, just wait, this arc is clearly meant to give him an epic battle where he'll show all his feats.

                                                  And about Reiju, contrarily to what i thought, it turned out she's not completely heartless. Interesting, but now after all this years i wonder what are her thoughts on the matter, she was afraid to go against her family wishes as a kid, but now she might even have remorse for what she did to Sanji. Maybe she has a plan of her own to help him.

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                                                    Anyone else slowly getting tired of seeing Sanji beaten? :ninja:

                                                    I had hope from the spoiler, but mangastream translation seems to indicate that he won't be able to do a thing while Zeff is threatened. I guess he needs a Luffy to scold him like Robin in order to fight back.

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                                                      I guess even being normal human,Sanji must have gotten a special power…..

                                                      “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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                                                        So there is the mom… And she will be the reason Sanji's has this strict code of not hitting a woman

                                                        And his "defeat" by Nijiji wasn't that bad

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                                                          I bet Reiju secretly freed him from that mask and helped him escape. Let's wait for next week, but I don't see any other way how he escaped.

                                                          There are a lot of different opinions and views in this forum when it comes to One Piece.

                                                          But can we all agree that Roger's ship, the Oro Jackson, had the best figurehead in the story so far?

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                                                            Man….it's gonna be super cathartic when Sanji gets to beat the crap out of Ichiji and Niji.

                                                            _"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron

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                                                              Interesting chapter. Reiju being nice person confirmed. I'm glad that she's gonna be on Luffy's side.
                                                              Brothers have exoskeletons. I wonder if it is technology or actual skeletons of animals.
                                                              Sanji is holding back, no doubt. He is being blackmailed by brothers. So I don't think they are stronger than him.
                                                              Also, if Jajji commited a crime and run away from WG, how he still can be a royal ?

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                                                                @Psycrow:

                                                                So you think Sanji isn't human (born from a human woman)? A lack of clarity is why I'm getting opinions on it.

                                                                Well mother has been mentioned. I think the only question is if children developed inside her womb or their embryos were taken out and then matured inside pods. Or did the mother just provide her egg samples???

                                                                Basically - ???

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                                                                Actually in this chapter it was clear he was about to destroy Niji, who didn't even see the kick, and was forced to blackmail Sanji to hit him.
                                                                I don't understand all this lack of faith in Sanji, just wait, this arc is clearly meant to give him an epic battle where he'll show all his feats.

                                                                And about Reiju, contrarily to what i thought, it turned out she's not completely heartless. Interesting, but now after all this years i wonder what are her thoughts on the matter, she was afraid to go against her family wishes as a kid, but now she might even have remorse for what she did to Sanji. Maybe she has a plan of her own to help him.

                                                                Smiles do exist for a reason, you know.

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                                                                Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                                                                It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                                                  Interesting chapter. Reiju being nice person confirmed. I'm glad that she's gonna be on Luffy's side.
                                                                  Brothers have exoskeletons. I wonder if it is technology or actual skeletons of animals.
                                                                  Sanji is holding back, no doubt. He is being blackmailed by brothers. So I don't think they are stronger than him.
                                                                  Also, if Jajji commited a crime and run away from WG, how he still can be a royal ?

                                                                  Jonji said he "escaped the witch hunt" so my guess is that the WG simply didn't know of his involvement.

                                                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22kueYAG2lE

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                                                                    "You and that pathetic chef would make a cute couple."
                                                                    "If you don't mind the company of a cripple, I'm sure we can arrange it so she's a member of your personal staff."

                                                                    These lines have to be Mangastream exaggerations, right? They feel like far too much next to the kinds of threats and insults Oda would usually write, even for a callous character like Niiji.

                                                                    Otherwise, fantastic chapter. Lots of interesting stuff to think about.

                                                                    Yeah Mangastream is always funny like that. I'm not sure why Niji used the term "swing that way" when the context is only used for somebody being gay. I thought Niji was mocking Sanji's love Zeff but apparently not?
                                                                    And if Cosette is really crippled than what the fuck?

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                                                                      Sanji is holding back, no doubt. He is being blackmailed by brothers. So I don't think they are stronger than him.

                                                                      Oh, for sure.

                                                                      Even with his exoskeleton or whatever, Niji still basically got his neck broken by one kick from Sanji.

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                                                                        Carrot: Niji's a mink! He can use Electro!

                                                                        Pedro: That's not how it works…

                                                                        Spoiler:

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                                                                          Hot chicks can't be evil, right?

                                                                          Kalifa and Monet. They are sexy girls and evil.

                                                                          Kill it with fire!!!

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                                                                            Due to this chapter, I'm starting to think that Sanji's Diable Jambe is a result of his genetic/technological enhancements, that just took forever to develop. Perhaps he will gain different abilities as the arc progresses.

                                                                            Spoiler:

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                                                                              Also, it's confirmed that Sanji's mother is dead. And she was like Sanji when he was feeding rat. I guess this means Sanji's kindness is from his mother.

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                                                                                Reiju is a good guy (girl) hype!!

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                                                                                  would it be too clichèè for sanji to somehow "unlock" the gene modifications that have been latent for so long and get a power up? 😛

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                                                                                    Boy I know most people don't care about fodder soldiers but boy do I feel bad for those clones.
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                                                                                    Kalifa and Monet. They are sexy girls and evil.

                                                                                    Joe a was a pretty sexy when she was younger
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                                                                                    Due to this chapter, I'm starting to think that Sanji's Diable Jambe is a result of his genetic/technological enhancements, that just took forever to develop. Perhaps he will gain different abilities as the arc progresses.

                                                                                    It seems like Sanji is regular or irregular regular.

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                                                                                      So Sanji's mother was a chef/cook…nice. She may even be the one who told Sanji about All Blue. The importance of food in Sanji's life is even more prominent with him being denied food.

                                                                                      So Vergo is looking more and more like one of the few elite soldiers DNA that was used. But when did they get Vergo's DNA? And what other characters may have had their DNA used for cloning besides Kuma?

                                                                                      It would be interesting if Ceasar Clown and Jajji Vinsmoke have history.

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                                                                                        Due to this chapter, I'm starting to think that Sanji's Diable Jambe is a result of his genetic/technological enhancements, that just took forever to develop. Perhaps he will gain different abilities as the arc progresses.

                                                                                        That would hardly make sense, considering the explanation we got when he uncovered it.

                                                                                        A slightly excelerated regeneration, that I might buy. Considering his cracked bone and all. Difficult to tell what's normal healing time in OP.

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                                                                                        So Vergo is looking more and more like one of the few elite soldiers DNA that was used. But when did they get Vergo's DNA? And what other characters may have had their DNA used for cloning besides Kuma?

                                                                                        And also, why didn't Sanji recognize him!?

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                                                                                        Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                                                                                        It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                                                                          Did I miss something or Sanji is free from his exploding bracelet ? XD

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                                                                                            @BeariousJones:

                                                                                            So Vergo is looking more and more like one of the few elite soldiers DNA that was used. But when did they get Vergo's DNA? And what other characters may have had their DNA used for cloning besides Kuma?

                                                                                            vergo has never been an elite soldier..what are you talking about?

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                                                                                              Could someone tell me if Im remembering wrong or not, but was 'lineage factor' mentioned in producing smiles/artificial devil fruits?

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                                                                                                And also, why didn't Sanji recognize him!?

                                                                                                Sanji only recognizes the ladies. :wub:

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                                                                                                vergo has never been an elite soldier..what are you talking about?

                                                                                                Vergo was an elite Marine soldier. Former commander of G-5.

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                                                                                                  Great chapter. Super interesting stuff involving Jajji and Vegapunk and genetic modification. Sanji will show what he can do soon enough.

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                                                                                                    Vergo was an elite Marine soldier. Former commander of G-5.

                                                                                                    That right now. 13-10 years ago he was just a simple soldier in the Marines. And at that time Germa 66 already had those vergo similar kind of soldiers(that honestly I don't see them that similar, and they had already appeared before the last chapter where everybody started calling it Vergo).

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                                                                                                      Could someone tell me if Im remembering wrong or not, but was 'lineage factor' mentioned in producing smiles/artificial devil fruits?

                                                                                                      It was mentioned by Law in chapter 698

                                                                                                      Credit : http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=44502&page=3&p=3698881&viewfull=1#post3698881

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                                                                                                        Jajji mentioning that Sanji is following his mom's steps makes me believe she'll have a role in the flashback somehow, however, I don't think she taught Sanji anything before the events of this chapter's flashback since Sanji would would've been so little to remember anything from her. So, she's either not dead and Jajji faked her death just like Sanji and she was in prison like Sanji, or she actually died and she just takes part of Jajji's growth process (flashback) which made him what he is.

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