AP Awards '015 Discussion Thread

Nami

very happy black leg nominated Haikyuu.

that's all, go on with your math and penises and scrotum talks

Below Average

What is this Haikyuu?

I don't think that I've ever

Heard of it before

Brotato

@Below:

What is this Haikyuu?

I don't think that I've ever

Heard of it before

Volleyball manga that runs in jump. It's really good.

Noqanky

I'm pretty sure she was just thinking of haikus :ninja:

Foolio

I really don't know.

Maybe it's coincidence,

That she wrote like that.

Outerspec

I don't believe in

Coincidences like that

It must have been fate

Brotato

wtf, Haiku?

Why are you typing like that?

Seriously though.

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KageKageKing

There. I broke the cycle. We are free now.

SpaceCowboy

Thank you Ricky

ehhhhhhh

Brotato

Haha. God, that film was so ridiculous. After watching the above I just had to go and watch the Oscar fight scene again where the dude loses his eye and now I'm trapped in a Riki-Oh rabbit hole.

C_uggs

@Brotato:

Haha. God, that film was so ridiculous. After watching the above I just had to go and watch the Oscar fight scene again where the dude loses his eye and now I'm trapped in a Riki-Oh rabbit hole.

http://i.imgur.com/nAoICF6.gif

Fun fact, we watched the whole movie.


And I was late for Haiku time ?

How unfortunate of my part.

Next time, I wont sleep.

[hide]**Hey everyone, did I miss a importatn category ? Like Pirate Queen ?**[/hide]

Jabberwok

Same boat as Ugly,

Missed out on this haiku fun

By sleeping too soon.

Rogues' Gallery

Somebody needs to nominate

Sicario

For Best Movie

Kaido King of the Beasts

You mean that we should

Nominate Sicario

For the best movie?

Rogues' Gallery

Yes, I feel it

deserves to be

Included in the top ten

Purple Hermit

This is the first line

This line is the second line

This is the third line

KageKageKing

I have a Top 3 of most favorite group of people in history. The third are the Mongols, the second are the Vikings. Can someone guess the first?…Yes, this is me breaking the cycle again.

C_uggs

I sense a diverge in the Haku line.

Who is doing this outrageous thing ?

Is KageKageKing, trying to be edgy.

Brotato

Damn, all the animated stuff that comes to mind besides Marnie hasn't had a US release yet. ಠ_ಠ

@KageKageKing:

I have a Top 3 of most favorite group of people in history. The third are the Mongols, the second are the Vikings. Can someone guess the first?…Yes, this is me breaking the cycle again.

Was it the muslims,

back in the Middle Ages?

Nah, probably Huns..

KageKageKing

You could say I…

By the way, those animated movies this year kinda sucks.

Kaido King of the Beasts

Anyone wanna nominate Minions just for lolz?

C_uggs

Meh, we had Minions…Oh no, wait.:ninja:

Brotato

@KageKageKing:

By the way, those animated movies this year kinda sucks.

On the bright side there's gonna be a lot of good stuff for 2016; Bakemono no Ko, Miss Hokusai, Avril et le Monde truque… etc.

Ubiq

@KageKageKing:

By the way, those animated movies this year kinda sucks.

The Peanuts Movie, Shaun the Sheep, and When Marnie Was There are all in the good to great range. Disney didn't release an animated film, Dreamworks was just kinda there this year, and Pixar had an off-year.

Brotato

^Anomalisa is supposed to be really freaking amazing. I haven't gotten around to seeing it yet(not comfortable throwing a nom at something I can't personally attest to) and it was released on Dec. 31st. so I dunno if anyone else here has either.

Galaxy 9000

I've been meaning to see Anomalisa, but I hadn't even heard of it until last week. Either I hadn't been paying much attention… or the marketing campaign just wasn't very good. Wouldn't surprise me if it's not too well known yet though.

Ubiq

The local arthouse theater doesn't have Anomalisa yet.

I figure that it'll eventually run it though; that's where I saw When Marnie Was There and Kahlil Gibran's The Prophet.

Brotato

@Galaxy:

I've been meaning to see Anomalisa, but I hadn't even heard of it until last week. Either I hadn't been paying much attention… or the marketing campaign just wasn't very good. Wouldn't surprise me if it's not too well known yet though.

I'm not really sure on the market campaign honestly. It initially got on my radar back in Nov or so only because of Dan Harmon promo/shoutouts as it's a product of his production company.

TLC

Anomalisa sucks. It's Lost in Translation crossed with Team America if Bill Murray were a douche who cheated on his wife without growing or learning anything. And the stopmotion gimmick got really old really fast. But that's just my opinion. I personally couldn't stand it.

Femme

@TLC:

Anomalisa sucks. It's Lost in Translation crossed with Team America if Bill Murray were a douche who cheated on his wife without growing or learning anything. And the stopmotion gimmick got really old really fast. But that's just my opinion. I personally couldn't stand it.

I'm curious about things you do like.

KageKageKing

@Femme:

I'm curious about things you do like.

He likes Nicolas Cage stuff.

TLC

@Femme:

I'm curious about things you do like.

I like many, many things. Anomalisa just isn't one of them.

Noqanky

People talking shit about animation this year and saying pixar had an off-year when we got Inside Out ths year is just pure heresy.

Both visually and story-wise that movie delivered as much as you would expect from pixar. Even with the terrible story of Good Dinosaur that one was also still more visually impressive than a lot of the garbage we've gotten previous years.

Also sad I didn't get to nominate Ant-Man for worst movie and instead it's sitting for best. This category always happens too quickly for me to nom anything, but at least Mad Max got nommed for best. Good job!

Femme

@Outerspec:

.

I think it's time that you and I arranged a heart-to-heart..

Ubiq

I stand by Pixar having an off-year. I thought Inside Out was solid but nothing amazing. I liked Riley but a lot of the internal plot dragged for me especially when it switched over to Joy and Sadness. The Good Dinosaur was just a boy and his dog film using a dinosaur and a human.

I expect it to win the Oscar anyway because people keep thinking that it's some super original concept despite decades of that same idea being used and the voters have basically just started handing the Award over to Pixar or Disney because that requires the least effort on their part.

Noqanky

I'd honestly say Good Dinosaur is worse than that, even if visually it was rather impressive.

But Inside Out is definitely Pixar, and in terms of movie and story structure, as well as character development, I don't see it lacking anything that movies like Toy Story, Up, or Wall-E also have. The only one Pixar movie I would claim is better crafted (instead of equally well crafted, to be clear) is The Incredibles, since that one had a cast larger than 2 characters and was able to handle effective development for all of them.

Also, I think much of the praise is not necessarily at the originality of the concept but the execution as well. Anyone can do herman's head, in fact there's even acting/improv games where you have people represent the emotions of characters; it's not a new idea for sure. But to do it in a way that goes along with established paradigms of how the mind operates in a more elaborate way that is also digestible for multiple ages is much more crafty and admirable. Not to mention things like how it handles childhood symptoms of depression, personality and emotional growth.

So in that sense we have a movie that is completely unique in scope, has originality in its screenplay, has animation that is up to par with current standards… I don't see how this movie isn't pixar enough. Like, even without liking it I don't see stuff in this movie that makes it less than, say, ratatouille or finding nemo.

To me a pixar off-year is something like 2011 with Cars 2. Or 2014 which had, well, nothing.

Carmilla

I hated Inside Out. It's a matter of opinion maybe, but it seemed so generic and I didn't like how the characters were handled. At all.
The only ones who got development were Joy, Sadness(?) and Riley(?)

! The main message was (which is good) that "Good things can happen because of sadness and no one's supposed to be happy all the time either"
But it took whole movie for Joy to realise that Sadness was important as well? I think whole movie was about that? I saw Joy as arrogant, monopolising one from the start, she was no leader and just egoistically wanted the person to feel her emotions, even if she considered it as good.
Joy develops well, alright. But Riley's development is basically those of the emotions', the fact that they were always the ones reacting to things, kind of, took beauty of it (but that's personal opinion, not something about movie's goodness or badness). And what happens to Sadness? She just gets accepted by joy, who was going to just LEAVE her there. And how Sadness reacts to it is basically, however she'd react to it if she got accepted from the start. Her main role was to make Joy realise that she was freaking stupid.
The whole story centers about joy to me, no matter what I think.
Yes it is decent, fun, emotional, has good visuals and is overall a good movie for a family to see.
But for some reason, I had those high expectations that weren't met, unfortunately, and that's why I "hate" it.
And I can't really compare it to other Pixar movies, I have either not seen them or don't remember them well enough.

Noqanky

@Carmilla:

I hated Inside Out. It's a matter of opinion maybe, but it seemed so generic and I didn't like how the characters were handled. At all.
The only ones who got development were Joy, Sadness(?) and Riley(?)

! The main message was (which is good) that "Good things can happen because of sadness and no one's supposed to be happy all the time either"
But it took whole movie for Joy to realise that Sadness was important as well? I think whole movie was about that? I saw Joy as arrogant, monopolising one from the start, she was no leader and just egoistically wanted the person to feel her emotions, even if she considered it as good.
Joy develops well, alright. But Riley's development is basically those of the emotions', the fact that they were always the ones reacting to things, kind of, took beauty of it (but that's personal opinion, not something about movie's goodness or badness). And what happens to Sadness? She just gets accepted by joy, who was going to just LEAVE her there. And how Sadness reacts to it is basically, however she'd react to it if she got accepted from the start. Her main role was to make Joy realise that she was freaking stupid.
The whole story centers about joy to me, no matter what I think.
Yes it is decent, fun, emotional, has good visuals and is overall a good movie for a family to see.
But for some reason, I had those high expectations that weren't met, unfortunately, and that's why I "hate" it.

Yes, the development of the emotions is definitely tied in with that of Riley, but for me that's the great thing about the movie.
Children often have to tackle less emotionally complex ideas than adults do and tend to feel them strongly with strong somatic responses. A lot of people seem to not like how the emotions control riley, but the reality of it is accurate with how emotional development takes place.

! Regarding joy being the main character, it's obvious that the movie wants to depict joy as the main emotion that riley has. Her parents describe her multiple times as their joyful girl and it's very clearly that's who she is. She's someone who by personality is just prone to being cheerful, and there's people like that, just like there's people more likely to be angry or sad or fearful or judgmental, etc.
You even have the insight into adult minds to see how they're shaped more concretely around all emotions working in cohesion with one of them being a leader. And in those minds joy is not the center one. It's a personality thing.
You say the movie seems to be about joy but there's more evidence to me that it's just as much about sadness. Sadness begins feeling guilty and not realizing that she does have a role to play and that it's a good one, and in most of the first half she only does things because of impulses and not with purpose. As the movie progresses she comes up with more ideas of her own and takes a more active role. Both joy and sadness falter when they find out riley is in danger, and following that joy is the one who is able to get them back to headquarters, and then it's sadness who is able to take control of a riley who is falling into depression and complete emotional shutdown.
Also, ultimately the emotions are all there for riley, that's their motivation, joy wanting to leave sadness was because she found out riley was in danger and needed her. When she found out she needed sadness instead, that was her main course of action. Which is the other thing people need to realize about this movie, that it's not a buddy flick like toy story or monsters or most pixar movies. It's the emotions learning to work together for riley's benefit. That is always their motivation. It's not about her being egoist or narcissistic or whatever, but her wanting the best for riley, and other emotions allowed her to take over because they also figured she was the best for riley. Because they're in a child's brain and at that point you figure that the best thing is to be happy forever because why would you not want to be happy forever? With that in mind I find it weird to think it's all about joy when it's all… well, about riley. It's not joy and sadness. it's riley.
! Also, you say it takes away from the beauty but I feel the opposite. That final moment where sadness takes control and riley breaks down in front of her parents, and then you have sadness take joy's hand as her parents hug her and place it on the board so you have this small smile on riley... I found that segment to be fantastic in execution and it summarizes why the movie works for me. Knowing how things work to me doesn't take away beauty from things, and much in the same way that knowing what the sun is composed of doesn't destract from the beauty of a sunset, to me having a view into the inside machinations of a girl's emotions doesn't take away from the emotional beauty of the moment or how much it hits home. But yea, like you say, that's more of me sharing my experience since it's an opinion thing and not about quality. ^^;

And I can't really compare it to other Pixar movies, I have either not seen them or don't remember them well enough.

= O

Jabberwok

One of the problems with Inside Out is that everybody apparently has four negative emotions to one positive one. Since Joy and Sadness are counterparts who learn the value of each other, I would've liked to see the other emotions paired off in their own ways, which probably would have necessitated adding a sixth emotion. As is, Joy tends to play a presiding role over the others instead of working in concert with them.

Noqanky

@Jabberwok:

One of the problems with Inside Out is that everybody apparently has four negative emotions to one positive one. Since Joy and Sadness are counterparts who learn the value of each other, I would've liked to see the other emotions paired off in their own ways, which probably would have necessitated adding a sixth emotion. As is, Joy tends to play a presiding role over the others instead of working in concert with them.

The development team of Pixar had multiple emotions considered for characters in the movie but because of the issue of having to make a story and the less characters to juggle the better, they began to cut down on the number of emotions they would use so they centered on those five based on how well they could work off of each other in the context of a movie.

Also, the whole point of the movie is that "negative" emotions are not necessarily negative and just as necessary for their own things, and even the beginning of the movie focuses on pointing out what the emotions are for. Fear and disgust for protecting riley and anger for easy comic reli–erm, for expressing discomfort. :ninja:

Also, I imagine having other positive emotions would have complicated situations like how to justify that other positive emotion letting anger and fear taking over and leading to the conflict in the story.

Jabberwok

@Noqanky:

The development team of Pixar had multiple emotions considered for characters in the movie but because of the issue of having to make a story and the less characters to juggle the better, they began to cut down on the number of emotions they would use so they centered on those five based on how well they could work off of each other in the context of a movie.

Also, the whole point of the movie is that "negative" emotions are not necessarily negative and just as necessary for their own things, and even the beginning of the movie focuses on pointing out what the emotions are for. Fear and disgust for protecting riley and anger for easy comic reli–erm, for expressing discomfort. :ninja:

Also, I imagine having other positive emotions would have complicated situations like how to justify that other positive emotion letting anger and fear taking over and leading to the conflict in the story.

All the emotions are important, yes, but it felt like the selection of fear, anger, and disgust was an easy selection in order to drive the Out portion of the movie. A good contrast for, say, Fear might have been curiosity. It seems pretty easy to have another emotion running around telling Riley to poke things and get in all sorts of trouble, with Fear following around wailing about danger. Each eventually recognizes the need for caution or curiosity in between comic relief hijinks. Take five, everyone, that's a wrap.

There doesn't even need to be a counterpart to each emotion. All I would have wanted is something of a balancing force in the remaining emotions- a emotion generally seen as positive, but potentially with its own set of problems.

Inside Out really falls apart when you think about it too much.

Noqanky

But then what would curiosity do when Riley's life is coming apart? Do you just sit him/her in a corner to explain why the series of bad decisions happened?

Jabberwok

@Noqanky:

But then what would curiosity do when Riley's life is coming apart? Do you just sit him/her in a corner to explain why the series of bad decisions happened?

I dunno, he's discouraged because he's trying to help Riley out of her shell but keeps screwing things up in the process? Maybe he gets her lost in San Francisco?

Maybe he gets her curious about dropping acid

Carmilla

@Noqanky:

! Regarding joy being the main character, it's obvious that the movie wants to depict joy as the main emotion that riley has. Her parents describe her multiple times as their joyful girl and it's very clearly that's who she is. She's someone who by personality is just prone to being cheerful, and there's people like that, just like there's people more likely to be angry or sad or fearful or judgmental, etc.
You even have the insight into adult minds to see how they're shaped more concretely around all emotions working in cohesion with one of them being a leader. And in those minds joy is not the center one. It's a personality thing.
You say the movie seems to be about joy but there's more evidence to me that it's just as much about sadness. Sadness begins feeling guilty and not realizing that she does have a role to play and that it's a good one, and in most of the first half she only does things because of impulses and not with purpose. As the movie progresses she comes up with more ideas of her own and takes a more active role. Both joy and sadness falter when they find out riley is in danger, and following that joy is the one who is able to get them back to headquarters, and then it's sadness who is able to take control of a riley who is falling into depression and complete emotional shutdown.
Also, ultimately the emotions are all there for riley, that's their motivation, joy wanting to leave sadness was because she found out riley was in danger and needed her. When she found out she needed sadness instead, that was her main course of action. Which is the other thing people need to realize about this movie, that it's not a buddy flick like toy story or monsters or most pixar movies. It's the emotions learning to work together for riley's benefit. That is always their motivation. It's not about her being egoist or narcissistic or whatever, but her wanting the best for riley, and other emotions allowed her to take over because they also figured she was the best for riley. Because they're in a child's brain and at that point you figure that the best thing is to be happy forever because why would you not want to be happy forever? With that in mind I find it weird to think it's all about joy when it's all… well, about riley. It's not joy and sadness. it's riley.
! Also, you say it takes away from the beauty but I feel the opposite. That final moment where sadness takes control and riley breaks down in front of her parents, and then you have sadness take joy's hand as her parents hug her and place it on the board so you have this small smile on riley... I found that segment to be fantastic in execution and it summarizes why the movie works for me. Knowing how things work to me doesn't take away beauty from things, and much in the same way that knowing what the sun is composed of doesn't destract from the beauty of a sunset, to me having a view into the inside machinations of a girl's emotions doesn't take away from the emotional beauty of the moment or how much it hits home. But yea, like you say, that's more of me sharing my experience since it's an opinion thing and not about quality. ^^;

! Now the thing is, I know that's how I should have seen it. But I just couldn't do it while watching the movie. I couldn't help thinking that they seemed more like in control of Riley than her emotions. I just couldn't see Riley as an independent character even if I knew that was the writers' intention.
! And yes, I know Joy only wanted good for her, and she was just overconfident in herself, but it came out that way. How to say it, her actions came out egoistically, even if it wasn't her intention and she treated others unequally because of that. That was the moment she started to annoy me. As for Sadness, yeah she develops as well in some ways, but she just gets more freedom to act and that's what brings her personality forward I think and all I mean is that it'd have happened so if Joy had trusted her little bit more from the beginning. But see, I am still seeing those emotions as independent characters instead of just child's psychology "trusting" joy and happiness more than sadness.
And nah, I love knowing how things work in deeper levels as well :3 And it actually makes things more beautiful. It's just our emotions are so much more complex than that and the thing I said above. I couldn't see Riley as Riley. Maybe it was my personal way of judging things, maybe the little screen time she got compared to other emotions for example, who knows~ I just can easily relate to people who didn't like it as much, though I get your point of view as well. Liking something is often in finding things like that, which work for you so much and it's such a good thing.

Wagomu

@Jabberwok:

One of the problems with Inside Out is that everybody apparently has four negative emotions to one positive one. Since Joy and Sadness are counterparts who learn the value of each other, I would've liked to see the other emotions paired off in their own ways, which probably would have necessitated adding a sixth emotion. As is, Joy tends to play a presiding role over the others instead of working in concert with them.

I think positive and negative is just a bad distinction to use there. If we frame joy as the positive emotion, then sadness is its negative compliment, not any of the others. Those just end up being neutral. If you're just using positive and negative to describe what makes you feel good and bad, though, then you're already defining those as 'joy' and 'not joy' respectively.