Looks like we are going to have a recycle of Robin's rescue here
Chapter 813: An Invitation to the Tea Party
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Pretty sure Brook was just referring to the fact that Sanji was adamant in pursuing his "mission" and would not accept anyone taking him back until he's dealt with it.
My perspective on it anyways.
Well, yes, but saying "thanks for taking care of me, we'll definitely meet again" has a bit more of a 'I'm leaving and I don't intend to return' vibe to it than "I'll be back", imo. Just the general wording.
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Looks like we are going to have a recycle of Robin's rescue here
I doubt it, the dynamics of this stuff is way to different from the Robin rescue.
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Looks like we are going to have a recycle of Robin's rescue here
With a touch of Thriller Bark, no doubt. It will be glorious I say.
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so… since we've been speculating for that since fishman island, at least we can think to this tea party as the time when jimbe will probably join the straw hats
"I'm simply an accident. Why take it all so seriously?"
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What I don't quite understand at the end of this chap is the behaviour of Capone when he lets Nami and the others out of his body. Why is he shocked and yelling "that bastard" and Sanji has to threaten them?
I mean, he opened the door for them and suddenly changed his mind?“As I stand out here in the wonders of the unknown at Hadley, I sort of realize there’s a fundamental truth to our nature: Man must explore!” – David Scott, Moon
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What I don't quite understand at the end of this chap is the behaviour of Capone when he lets Nami and the others out of his body. Why is he shocked and yelling "that bastard" and Sanji has to threaten them?
I mean, he opened the door for them and suddenly changed his mind?The door was open the whole time, he didn't open it for them to leave. But I was also confused, I thought everything was leading to him releasing the three of them and keeping Sanji and Caesar, so I don't know why he bothered being angry with it.
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DOES THIS MEAN JINBEI THOUGH.
Sure hope so. Hard to believe its been what? Barely a week since they left the sabaody archipelago. That being said, i could definitely see Zou wrapping up while they go help Sanji.
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Sure hope so. Hard to believe its been what? Barely a week since they left the sabaody archipelago.
It's been almost two weeks.
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=17121&p=3576904&viewfull=1#post3576904
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I'm not a big Jinbe fan but I would totally love a couple of chapters with Sanji and Jinbe doing a buddy cop routine. They've already cooperated before on Fishman Island.
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@.access:
The door was open the whole time, he didn't open it for them to leave. But I was also confused, I thought everything was leading to him releasing the three of them and keeping Sanji and Caesar, so I don't know why he bothered being angry with it.
It makes sense that he'd be mad, as his original plan was to take all of them. Possibly to make Sanji behave more.
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@.access:
The door was open the whole time, he didn't open it for them to leave. But I was also confused, I thought everything was leading to him releasing the three of them and keeping Sanji and Caesar, so I don't know why he bothered being angry with it.
Mh, you never see the door until they get thrown out. And even more strange is the fact that Capone let Sanji write the note and let him casually walk to Nami just to make a fuss about it seconds later. ?_?
“As I stand out here in the wonders of the unknown at Hadley, I sort of realize there’s a fundamental truth to our nature: Man must explore!” – David Scott, Moon
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Mh, you never see the door until they get thrown out.
The door was open the whole time. You can see it in the panel when Capone is walking through the forest.
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And even more strange is the fact that Capone let Sanji write the note and let him casually walk to Nami just to make a fuss about it seconds later. ?_?
He was just letting him write the note to presumably lure Luffy to the tea party as well. He had no way of knowing that Sanji would quickly push them out.
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I recently read Thriller Bark and i remember brook saying that he was a raider in a royal army or something among those lines. i'll look it up and edit my post
EDIT: too lazy to skim through all the chapters, but i found this in the wiki http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Brook/History
"Brook was the leader of a battle convoy in a "certain kingdom", where he learned his fencing and many of his attacks received their names."
That could be how he knows about the Vinsmokes
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I recently read Thriller Bark and i remember brook saying that he was a raider in a royal army or something among those lines. i'll look it up and edit my post
Yep, he was.
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I recently read Thriller Bark and i remember brook saying that he was a raider in a royal army or something among those lines. i'll look it up and edit my post
He was an army captain in the service of an unspecified kingdom, where he learned to fence.
But you could be on to something. We tend to focus on Brook's history as a pirate with Laboon but he's more than just that. It's really only Usopp and Chopper who lack potentially mysterious backgrounds.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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@Galaxy:
The door was open the whole time. You can see it in the panel when Capone is walking through the forest.
He had no way of knowing that Sanji would quickly push them out.
With an open door right behind them? Oookay.
But thanks for the pic of the door. At first I thought Sanji used a haki punch to throw them out.
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He was an army captain in the service of an unspecified kingdom, where he learned to fence.
But you could be on to something. We tend to focus on Brook's history as a pirate with Laboon but he's more than just that. It's really only Usopp and Chopper who lack potentially mysterious backgrounds.
I thought about this and mentioned it in another forum, since I couldn't remember whether or not Brook was North Blue born. Was told he's from West Blue.
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Brook recognizing the Vinsmoke name is curious, regardless.
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Damn, this felt like Robin all over again. but that's a cool Sanji we have there xd.
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Haha, love the design of "Monster Gun" Vito–a dude with giant hands wielding giant guns. Though I suspect those guns do more than just shoot bullets.
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Well, yes, but saying "thanks for taking care of me, we'll definitely meet again" has a bit more of a 'I'm leaving and I don't intend to return' vibe to it than "I'll be back", imo. Just the general wording.
Right forgot about that.
I still find it very hard to believe just based off of Sanji's dedication to Luffy.
My opinion is that Sanji believes this conflict will have heavy repercussions that will make it extremely hard for him to come back or something along those lines rather than not intending to return
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That's not wrapping up if not all plotlines aren't solved.
Stuff that still needs to be solved:
1 - Raizou.
2 - Momonosuke stopping being a recluse.
3 - Pekoms.
4 - What is being protected at Whale Forest.
5 - Why Inuarashi and Nekomamushi despise each other now, and how will they make up.
6 - Why Inuarashi and Nekomamushi are so important to the world according to Pedro.
7 - Who pushed Bariete out of the elephant.
8 - What happened to the other 2 Inuarashi Musketeers.
9 - Kin'emon and Kanjuro, who will be in Zou only in the next morning.
10 - Why Jack thought Raizou was in Zou.I think 1 and 7 are probably the same ;)
still 9 point tho.
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I also wonder how long the Vinsmoke has been around because if Brook remembers them from the time he was originally alive then they must be a very influential family.
I'm assuming the family name itself is notorious rather than the current guy. Unless of course he's indeed one old geezer.
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I agree with those of us who think Oda may wrap up the Zou arc faster than usual, but I also don't think it'll be so cut and dry. I mean it's not like we haven't had a crewmate elsewhere while the crew was stationed at a different location before. Like when Sanji himself was being recruited by Luffy, he and Sanji were dealing with Don Kreig, while Ussop and Zoro went to see what happened with Nami.
Likewise the Dressrosa arc was similar. By the same token , with all the exciting premises Oda set up with Sanji's Family, Big Mom and Jinbe's pending recruitment, I don't see how whatever they still have to do on Zou (Jack is gone and probably beat up from fighting The Marines) wont seem like a drag or a waste of time by comparison.
Especially since an SH being in trouble will instantly put Kaido and his crew on the backburner anyway, at least that's how I see it.
Zou has still some issues to be solved but i totally agree: Sanji's situation is urgent.
My guess: Luffy & co. leave Zou with the promise to came back and meet up with Mink, Law, Samurais after the rescue saga. Pekoms goes with them, he knows where is Whole Cake.
At that day, Mink will be healed and could be part of a bigger war against some boss,so we can discover the still open issues (how they met shanks, why they are no more firends, how/why minks live on an elephant, raizou ecc.) -
Admittedly Sanji has never been one of my favorite characters, but the one thing do I love about him is whenever he smiles in talking about the All Blue (not the mermaid one, the happy kid dream one). So seeing him smile like that really hurt this chapter! Because it was the right kind of smile, except it was like his dreams were shattering. All because he's gotta see about a girl!
On a happier fan note, I really enjoyed having Brook know the Vinsmoke name and (I'm assuming) the others from the crew not knowing it. Finally Brook's not at a loss for things and has the information because it's pretty darn old! It might even be extra worse than that because Brook's crew was from the neighboring West Blue. Sanji can have his moment this year, but I am all for getting a bit more on Brook as well since he was the leader for biggest missing chunk of backstory until Sanji turned Mafia.
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I'd personally love for Law to tag along. Quite enjoy his interaction with the crew.
I'd also imagine his strength would be needed
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That's not wrapping up if not all plotlines aren't solved.
Stuff that still needs to be solved:
1 - Raizou.
2 - Momonosuke stopping being a recluse.
3 - Pekoms.
4 - What is being protected at Whale Forest.
5 - Why Inuarashi and Nekomamushi despise each other now, and how will they make up.
6 - Why Inuarashi and Nekomamushi are so important to the world according to Pedro.
7 - Who pushed Bariete out of the elephant.
8 - What happened to the other 2 Inuarashi Musketeers.
9 - Kin'emon and Kanjuro, who will be in Zou only in the next morning.
10 - Why Jack thought Raizou was in Zou.For what dogma do you think this plotlines could not be leaved for a second coming on Zou, later on? (and after sanji's rescue)
I mean: you are right, there are some issues, we only say: "not now, later on".
At the moment the situation in Zou is calm, no boss, injured minks, nothing.I wait for Jinbe as Nakama
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@Jinbe#10:
For what dogma do you think this plotlines could not be leaved for a second coming on Zou, later on? (and after sanji's rescue)
I mean: you are right, there are some issues, we only say: "not now, later on".
At the moment the situation in Zou is calm, no boss, injured minks, nothing.Exactly
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There's way too many conflicts for the arc to just be abandoned and resumed later. That just doesn't happen in any arc. The only thing close is the Fishman Island prophecy/Joy boy's promise, which is more of a setup for end of series events than being an arc specific thing.
We've gotten way too much exposition on the Minks for it to happen; most notably the full moon issue which can only come in to play tonight in the story. It's more likely that the Sanji plot is a setup for the next arc, just like Nami's plot was a setup for Arlong Park at the Baratie. The Straw Hats on Zou will take care of whatever comes their way, and then head out for Whole Cake Island.
Alternatively, Zunisha could be walking in the direction of Whole Cake Island for the duration of the arc. That way, they'd be able to get there faster as soon as everything on Zou is resolved.
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Whether or not Sanji can/wants to return is out of the question, Luffy will bring him back and he will destroy anyone that stands between him and his friends. I just find the discussion of Sanji's return redundant. But if this is indeed a Enies Lobby 2.0 we're in for a treat (Rob Lucci level treat)
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@Galaxy:
There's way too many conflicts for the arc to just be abandoned and resumed later. That just doesn't happen in any arc. The only thing close is the Fishman Island prophecy/Joy boy's promise, which is more of a setup for end of series events than being an arc specific thing.
We've gotten way too much exposition on the Minks for it to happen; most notably the full moon issue which can only come in to play tonight in the story. It's more likely that the Sanji plot is a setup for the next arc, just like Nami's plot was a setup for Arlong Park at the Baratie. The Straw Hats on Zou will take care of whatever comes their way, and then head out for Whole Cake Island.
Alternatively, Zunisha could be walking in the direction of Whole Cake Island for the duration of the arc. That way, they'd be able to get there faster as soon as everything on Zou is resolved.
Well, most of those can be solved pretty quickly…and both with Nami and Robin's cases (and even in the Strong World case), Luffy reacted quite immediately to their "quitting", so I don't see why this shouldn't be the case
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@Galaxy:
There's way too many conflicts for the arc to just be abandoned and resumed later. That just doesn't happen in any arc. The only thing close is the Fishman Island prophecy/Joy boy's promise, which is more of a setup for end of series events than being an arc specific thing.
We've gotten way too much exposition on the Minks for it to happen; most notably the full moon issue which can only come in to play tonight in the story. It's more likely that the Sanji plot is a setup for the next arc, just like Nami's plot was a setup for Arlong Park at the Baratie. The Straw Hats on Zou will take care of whatever comes their way, and then head out for Whole Cake Island.
Alternatively, Zunisha could be walking in the direction of Whole Cake Island for the duration of the arc. That way, they'd be able to get there faster as soon as everything on Zou is resolved.
I'm in complete agreement. I believe this arc will be shorter than past arcs, however, it'll still have conflict and plot points resolved. I'm under the impression Zou can be 10 or more chapters with it's current pace.
Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship
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Well, most of those can be solved pretty quickly…and both with Nami and Robin's cases (and even in the Strong World case), Luffy reacted quite immediately to their "quitting", so I don't see why this shouldn't be the case
The immediate conflicts at the Baratie and Water 7 were both resolved before moving on to Arlong Park/Enies Lobby.
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He was an army captain in the service of an unspecified kingdom, where he learned to fence.
But you could be on to something. We tend to focus on Brook's history as a pirate with Laboon but he's more than just that. It's really only Usopp and Chopper who lack potentially mysterious backgrounds.
Meaning Vinsmock were notorious before Roger became Pirate King. Interesting.
Hmm, i don't think we are going to have intro about them; Chopper was a normal reindeer despised by his group allowing him only to speak with other animals in a mere winter island, and Usopp is incredible… because he's the son of Yasopp, mate of a Yonko, just that.
Anyways, i would love to know more of Usopp, he's the best strawhat and even his mother is going to be welcomed in the story, to me.
Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something can be known about it,knowledge about it can't be communicated to others. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.
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I'm in complete agreement. I believe this arc will be shorter than past arcs, however, it'll still have conflict and plot points resolved. I'm under the impression Zou can be 10 or more chapters with it's current pace.
10 is certainly possible but I'm feeling closer to 15 or 20. Either way we'll be done with Zou by summer.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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Clearly, Vito told Sanji, "Hail Hydra"
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@Shobu:
Meaning Vinsmock were notorious before Roger became Pirate King. Interesting.
Hmm, i don't think we are going to have intro about them; Chopper was a normal reindeer despised by his group allowing him only to speak with other animals in a mere winter island, and Usopp is incredible… because he's the son of Yasopp, mate of a Yonko, just that.
Anyways, i would love to know more of Usopp, he's the best strawhat and even his mother is going to be welcomed in the story, to me.Either the Vinsmokes were relevant 50+ years ago or Brook performed at Sanji's niece's birthday party over the timeskip.
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10 is certainly possible but I'm feeling closer to 15 or 20. Either way we'll be done with Zou by summer.
I believe the Samurai will finally get on the island while the night minks get influenced by the full moon. The Samurai will be the catalyst and get the ball moving.
Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship
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@Galaxy:
The immediate conflicts at the Baratie and Water 7 were both resolved before moving on to Arlong Park/Enies Lobby.
As I said, most of those can be solved pretty quickly, like Momonosuke, Pekoms, Inu/Neko relationship, Kinemon, Jack's reason…the only big thing would be Raizou, however that could be postponed and related to the "future" Wa arc...
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How does Oda expect us to sit through an entire Zou arc after building up all that hype for BM's arc? Such a cruel man.
I think Sanji is referring to the woman that raised him in the letter, not pudding but I could be mistaken. It takes me back to how understanding Sanji was of Chopper and Dr. Kureha's relationship back on Drum….Could be nothing.
Vinsmoke seem to be a crime Family like most people thought, the whole Mafia theme going on with Bege and his crew seems to fit. But again , how do we expect this to effect Jinbe joining the crew? Will he even still be around by the time Sanji makes it to the Tea Party? If so, at least Sanji has someone watching his back even if he doesn't know it.
Damn, Jinbe doesn't know this "third son" marrying one of BM's daughters will be Sanji, I can only imagine the chaos those two will have to go through to get back to Luffy and crew. Along with Wadatsumi and Ceaser.
Guess this is why Oda had Sanji fight alongside Jinbe back on FI, their immediate fates would be intertwined more than any of us really knew.
I can see Jinbe sitting at a table giving some exposition and talking about how dangerous the vinsmoke family is to the readers, before he sees sanji and has an epic facefault
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I believe the Samurai will finally get on the island while the night minks get influenced by the full moon. The Samurai will be the catalyst and get the ball moving.
Complete agreement here. Jack will be sidelined for a bit and Nekomamushi will be a short-arc villain. I think Nekomamushi's role as an antagonist was cemented in this chapter when even injured he managed to scare off Capone.
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As I said, most of those can be solved pretty quickly, like Momonosuke, Pekoms, Inu/Neko relationship, Kinemon, Jack's reason…the only big thing would be Raizou, however that could be postponed and related to the "future" Wa arc...
All of those things would take at the very least, 10-15 chapters to resolve. With more potential for conflict, it'll probably take a little longer than that.
There's really no reason to wish for these things to be delayed. It makes way more sense structure and story wise to resolve it all now, and then move on.
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@Galaxy:
All of those things would take at the very least, 10-15 chapters to resolve.
There's really no reason to wish for these things to be delayed. It makes way more sense structure and story wise to resolve it all now, and then move on.
Well, we've had the samurais since PH, but we still don't really know their story as of now, so postponing doesn't look like a big deal
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Very good chapter. Sanji has to go, and confront his past. I'm looking foreward to it. Now it's curious that Brook is familiar with the Vinesmoke's name, and like the vast majortiy here, I can definitaley agree that there is a Mafia influence here. When I was I thinking of what kinds of of unscrupulous and unlawful things the Mafia could be assoisated with, I realizd that illegal weapon trade could be one of them. Now my question is this: Is it too big of a streach if Brook knows the horrors associated with the Vinsmoke family because he learned that the poisonious weapons that killed his crew came from that family? Personally I don't think so.
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Well, we've had the samurais since PH, but we still don't really know their story as of now, so postponing doesn't look like a big deal
The samurais maybe, but the rest of the conflicts are Zou specific.
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@Galaxy:
The samurais maybe, but the rest of the conflicts are Zou specific.
Yes, but as I stated and you said, maybe 10 chapters or so could be enough to solve those, that's "quickly"
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Yes, but as I stated and you said, maybe 10 chapters or so could be enough to solve those, that's "quickly"
Because it'll obviously be more than just 10 chapters, as it's going to get more complicated than what we've seen; just like almost every arc before it. Every arc usually starts with a simple conflict that branches into something bigger than makes it longer.
There's also the potential for Jack to return, which makes sense for the huge amount of buildup he's gotten as an opponent to the Minks.
