Whenever someone tells me "jimbei isn't joining" I'd wish to smack them in the face with the blood transfusion page.
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Is there still literally 1 person alive who thinks that by this point?
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Only the people who think he'll die, which is even dumber IMO.
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I was with an old friend catching up, and he dropped that bomb, a Jimbei is dead. With a "Carrot for Nakama".
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I was with an old friend catching up, and he dropped that bomb, a Jimbei is dead. With a "Carrot for Nakama".
I think we can all tell that he was never truly your friend. :ninja:
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I think Jinbe will die by getting hit by the Tamatebako bomb which smacks him right into the Thousand Sunny where he dies stuck into the door.
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Whenever someone tells me "jimbei isn't joining" I'd wish to smack them in the face with the blood transfusion page.
jimbei isn't joining
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Why people keep caring about shit of Jinbe joining or not, people should care to realize that Teach will be the Pirate King, not Luffy.
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Law will cure all diseases, not Chopper.
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Even the Jinbe cannot fit through doorsease?
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Even the Jinbe cannot fit through doorsease?
Fitting through the Gates of Justice to enter Marineford was the greatest psychological conflict and triumph in the whole series. The rest of the war was nothing more than an epilogue. Practically an afterthought.
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@Count:
Fitting through the Gates of Justice to enter Marineford was the greatest psychological conflict and triumph in the whole series. The rest of the war was nothing more than an epilogue. Practically an afterthought.
Did we actually see Jinbe doing that? Or maybe he completely avoided the gate, but was fast enough to again be back at Luffy and the others so that we didn't notice.
I wonder how exactly he was able to leave Impel Down, though. I guess that has to be something more…
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@Count:
Fitting through the Gates of Justice to enter Marineford was the greatest psychological conflict and triumph in the whole series. The rest of the war was nothing more than an epilogue. Practically an afterthought.
Did we actually see Jinbe doing that? Or maybe he completely avoided the gate, but was fast enough to again be back at Luffy and the others so that we didn't notice.
I wonder how exactly he was able to leave Impel Down, though. I guess that has to be something more…
Ivankov probably used his hormone powers to resize his body and let him pass through.
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Actually… Would it not be more fitting if Jinbei was killed by Blueno? I mean, who better in the series, seriously?
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Actually… Would it not be more fitting if Jinbei was killed by Blueno? I mean, who better in the series, seriously?
So Blueno for final Blackbeard Commander confirmed?
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Or a door that ate a zoan fruit.
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We have sentient doors in this very arc, people.
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I don't think any of Totland's doors want to feel the struggle of Jimbei's size threatening their hinges staying in place.
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If Shirahoshi can be "eaten" by her shark Megalo, then Jinbe fits through the Sunny's friggin' doors!
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OK, I'll say it here for better visibility: you were right about Linlin's base character from the beginning.
What I wonder now is who were the Charlottes.
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OK, I'll say it here for better visibility: you were right about Linlin's base character from the beginning.
What I wonder now is who were the Charlottes.
When we start exploring those explanations is when things start going LOST.
Jack's a spinal surgeon with rad tattoos. Oooh! How'd he get them? BAM! Crap episode! ^o^
There has to be a point where we just accept that some events/characters are as they are. Genetic miracles if you will. If we explore who her parents were and it turns out they're probably just a normal couple then we wonder about their parents, then their grandparents, then their grandparents etc. etc.
Your curiosity certainly isn't invalid. But, it would probably reach a point where the author has to say, "Look, this just happened."
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Nah, not "big moms parents", but " the Charlotte's". She has been consistently called only Linlin during the flashback, and her parents just went away and she strikes me as the kind of kid who wouldn't remember her own last name and If she did, I'd guess she'd toss it away. Mother Caramel doesn't strike me as the one who set her up to this path in life, nor the one who gave her a last name.
Another parental figure, the anti uncle ben? Compote/Pero's dad?
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And a Chinese first name and French last name? There might be something more to her story.
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Oh~ I see what you were intimating there now!
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Something like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_(cake)
Maybe she just named herself.
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Good observation, maxterdexter.
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Damn, look what she did for semla, and it's not even a part of her name. I shudder to think what happened when she tasted charlotte cake.
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So I guess this will be the cake Sanji and the others have to bake a giant version in order to calm her down.
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I wonder I she named one of her children Semla?
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So I guess this will be the cake Sanji and the others have to bake a giant version in order to calm her down.
I still don't get it why they can't just run away or something if big mom is too strong for them, why stay there and bake cakes when you can run. Usopp needs to get here.
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I still don't get it why they can't just run away or something if big mom is too strong for them, why stay there and bake cakes when you can run. Usopp needs to get here.
There are a lot of strong enemies here, it's not just Big Mom. I don't think they would be capable of running away from all of them and even if they don't kill Big Mom or try to kill Big Mom here, she would be after them later. So whether she is gonna be with them or against them, something has to be resolved in this arc.
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It can't be about the enemies, because if runing away is too hard, then cooking is harder.
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Yeah, if baking the cake is the resolution, then the enemies will be turned into allies, I always loved the idea of having Big Mom go into her tantrum and the Straw Hats taking advantage of that to run away. Because, there is nothing yet shown to have them stay to fix the Big Mom's pirates issues. Unless as they ran away, Luffy/Sanji see the chaos and the fear of the children of Linlin and he calls them out to rally them. Which, even though it is not my favourite way things could resolve, it ties in nicely with Luffy's statement that after the wedding the Big Mom Pirates should become his underlings instead. And yes Sanji showing everyone what he can do by baking a cake/sweet that took days, but now it can be done conveniently quickly could also be shown while the others try to subdue Linlin.
I think that more than a cake, it would be interesting if Sanji manages to snap her out of her tantrum by feeding her something else. Although, I still find some problems with this route [as things stand now], because Linlin might want to have Sanji for herself to cook for him forever, not to mention that because this is indeed a sickness, giving her what she wants is actually counter productive to how…real [no, i am not saying it should be realistic, but you know mental illness is a tricky subject] mental illnesses are treated. So the message of curing/stopping Linlin by given her what she wants, instead of denying it to her, is exactly the problem that has made Big Mom whom she is.
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I think running away wouldn't take them anywhere, because Big Mom would just be targeting them anytime in the future. I don't know if cooking the cake will be a solution, but if they somehow could pass the message to everybody, then the enemies would become allies in favor of Big Mom. I really don't know how this will be resolved, but I can't see a scenario where Straw Hats get away while Big Mom is alive and almost her entire crew being against them.
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Of course, as things stand now, running away seems crazy. But some others things can happen like Big Mom taking out one of the sweet commanders during her tantrum. The idea is also that they have weakened Big Mom forces already by defeating Cracker, and if Urouge was able to get away, why not the Straw Hats? Also if Mom goes into a tantrum and they use that opportunity to escape, then Big Mom might take out her own crew, to which some other big player can capitalize from or she causes enough damages that chasing the Straw Hats or retaliating is unlikely because of how vulnerable she is.
On the other hand, there is still some resolution to be had from Lola's wedding, and how she may have manipulated Linlin's memories at her own request and Pudding taking advantage to change more things.
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the way I see it, it has to end in 'neutral terms', not gonna chase you, and not your ally/friend either. They need BM not to chase them simply because they're going for Kaido right after this, and facing 2 yonkos at once is plain suicide. And can't be friends either because that's too much of a strong-ass character on Luffy's side when he already has Shanks.
so if there is a cake, this would not be like; ooh we friends now!!, but more like; ok you calmed my anger, get the fuck out, im not chasing you, but I may open the Tamatebako when you're gone and come back to be pissed at you, therefore, chase you even if your next island after Wano is Elbaf:ninja:
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I do imagine that if a friendly/neutral resolution comes to pass, then the bomb would reset all that. A bit pointless, but I guess. The other thing is, I cannot resist the thought of Nami stealing Big Mom's treasures, save for the Tamatebako. To which Linlin gloats about that they did not steal the most import….explosion
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the way I see it, it has to end in 'neutral terms', not gonna chase you, and not your ally/friend either. They need BM not to chase them simply because they're going for Kaido right after this, and facing 2 yonkos at once is plain suicide.
Right now though, both Kaidou and Big Mom (1) want Caesar, and (2) have beef with the Straw Hats. It could be perfect to draw the two Yonkou into a conflict. Luffy has a strong force backing him but what I want to see is a conflict between the crews of BM and Kaidou to take some of the heat off. As we've been seeing this arc, these Yonkou have immense crews.
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Right now though, both Kaidou and Big Mom (1) want Caesar, and (2) have beef with the Straw Hats. It could be perfect to draw the two Yonkou into a conflict. Luffy has a strong force backing him but what I want to see is a conflict between the crews of BM and Kaidou to take some of the heat off. As we've been seeing this arc, these Yonkou have immense crews.
I used to expect this to happen in some sort of fashion. But the reason why I don't see Big Mom and Kaido clashing anymore (at least not on the mainland in Wano Country, maybe there could be oversea skirmishes) is because having Big Mom present on Wano Country to help out against Kaido devalues Luffy's struggle and inevitable victory against Kaido by needing another Yonko's help. It also goes against Oda's status-quo of suspense in always making Luffy look like the underdog. Wano Country already has so many characters to balance, and Big Mom's crew would be too much to handle.
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I used to expect this to happen in some sort of fashion. But the reason why I don't see Big Mom and Kaido clashing anymore (at least not on the mainland in Wano Country, maybe there could be oversea skirmishes) is because having Big Mom present on Wano Country to help out against Kaido devalues Luffy's struggle and inevitable victory against Kaido by needing another Yonko's help. It also goes against Oda's status-quo of suspense in always making Luffy look like the underdog. Wano Country already has so many characters to balance, and Big Mom's crew would be too much to handle.
I don't think it would devalue anything. Luffy's allies are now quite numerous in this struggle, if we assume that the Grand Fleet will show up as well. However, I still feel like we should see something of a conflict between the two to make it truly plausible that yes, this is a moment that one of the four strongest pirates in this cold war situation in the New World is going down. No matter how many allies Luffy has right now, the Yonkou still have more, probably many more. It wouldn't take Oda that much space to introduce a conflict and then briefly show a few panels of it throughout the battle. It's also not as if it would be intentional help on Big Mom's part - just two Yonkou pursuing their own interests and getting caught up in a fight.
I don't think it is implausible that Luffy could do it without a conflict between two Yonkou, either - after all, Kaidou made the mistake of occupying a country of which a large part is going to resist when the right conditions are met, and moreover, triggered the presence of the Mink army and Marco. The Yonkou may still have greater forces, but the advantage of being Luffy is that while the Yonkou are breathing down his neck at every corner, he's not deadlocked in a cold war situation where he knows the other Yonkou will instantly stop him from what he is doing.
The reason why I am still half-expecting and wishing for it to happen is that, as I've been saying, very specific conditions need to be met before we can believe that this age-old stalemate is being broken. A conflict between two Yonkou because they both have business with Luffy and Caesar sounds like a very effective way to do this. What could happen alternatively is that after Kaidou goes down, the Yonkou threaten to be rebuilt before Luffy has a chance to smash through the status quo entirely. I've been wanting to see the Government subtly try to interfere in the New World to try and stimulate a pirate to rise to power, only to be locked as the new Yonkou. I'm not sure if there are even any plausible candidates for this, though, this was kind of wishful thinking on my part. But what that would achieve is that it would present the Yonkou as a more dynamic force which even if you crack it, can be rebuilt. But this sounds flawed as an idea, since who could amass a force to take that position just like that? Blackbeard did, but under specific circumstances.
My point being: this cold war should only be able to be broken under specific circumstances so as to not devalue the status of the Yonkou. If a conflict between the two sounds like giving Oda too much on his plate, attempting to recreate the status quo after the fact sounds nearly impossible to plausibly pull off story-wise. If we need either of these two to happen to believe that this is the time a Yonkou is actually brought down, I would bank on the former. It could be that Luffy already has enough as it is, as I outlined at the start of my second paragraph. But the conditions to create a conflict are still perfectly in place, so I don't want to let go of the idea yet.
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We have seen not one nor two nor three but four devil fruit user hearts, smoker, law, Caesar and Monet, and of those not one spiral. I doubt the powers of the devil fruits reside in those.
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After rereading chapter 861 something caught my eye! When the underworld leaders gave gifts to BM, Morgans says the following "My gift is a rare on from the distant south". So I started thinking that maybe Morgans is in reality from the South Blue and then after digging a bit I found that Oda have already made alot of connections with birds and the south blue:
- Morgans saying that his gift is from the south.
- In chapter 847 BM states that she has a griffon from the south blue in one of her books.
- Chopper went to Torino Kingdom(Birdie Kingdom) in the south blue during the timeskip.
- The bird Chuchun that is the bird that the anouncer of the Foxy Pirates was flying was said in chapter 306 to be a rare super sparrow from the south blue.
- Also we have the south bird in the jaya arc.(Not as good a connection like 1-4)
- Miss Universe also has some sort of a bird hat.(Not as good a connection like 1-4)
Do you guys think this is just a theme of some sorts that Oda has chosen for the south blue or could this somehow play a role in the future of the story?
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After rereading chapter 861 something caught my eye! When the underworld leaders gave gifts to BM, Morgans says the following "My gift is a rare on from the distant south". So I started thinking that maybe Morgans is in reality from the South Blue and then after digging a bit I found that Oda have already made alot of connections with birds and the south blue:
- Morgans saying that his gift is from the south.
- In chapter 847 BM states that she has a griffon from the south blue in one of her books.
- Chopper went to Torino Kingdom(Birdie Kingdom) in the south blue during the timeskip.
- The bird Chuchun that is the bird that the anouncer of the Foxy Pirates was flying was said in chapter 306 to be a rare super sparrow from the south blue.
- Also we have the south bird in the jaya arc.(Not as good a connection like 1-4)
- Miss Universe also has some sort of a bird hat.(Not as good a connection like 1-4)
Do you guys think this is just a theme of some sorts that Oda has chosen for the south blue or could this somehow play a role in the future of the story?
Hey I think you're on to something! Good observations.
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Hey I think you're on to something! Good observations.
Thanks a lot! I was not able to find anything or make a believable theory that would suggest that it would play a important role for the future of story.
This thread seemed like a nice place with people with a lot of knowledge about One Piece that potentially could add something to this or have an idea if Oda would use this in the future somehow :D -
We have seen not one nor two nor three but four devil fruit user hearts, smoker, law, Caesar and Monet, and of those not one spiral. I doubt the powers of the devil fruits reside in those.
But even then, the heart is still connected to the rest of the body.
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After rereading chapter 861 something caught my eye! When the underworld leaders gave gifts to BM, Morgans says the following "My gift is a rare on from the distant south". So I started thinking that maybe Morgans is in reality from the South Blue and then after digging a bit I found that Oda have already made alot of connections with birds and the south blue:
- Morgans saying that his gift is from the south.
- In chapter 847 BM states that she has a griffon from the south blue in one of her books.
- Chopper went to Torino Kingdom(Birdie Kingdom) in the south blue during the timeskip.
- The bird Chuchun that is the bird that the anouncer of the Foxy Pirates was flying was said in chapter 306 to be a rare super sparrow from the south blue.
- Also we have the south bird in the jaya arc.(Not as good a connection like 1-4)
- Miss Universe also has some sort of a bird hat.(Not as good a connection like 1-4)
Do you guys think this is just a theme of some sorts that Oda has chosen for the south blue or could this somehow play a role in the future of the story?
Dang, some of that is pretty obscure but neat stuff to remember. Are you an ornithologist?
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Other than the south bird (the rest of the cardinal birds were revealed in a coverstory), I think that it's no coincidence.
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Dang, some of that is pretty obscure but neat stuff to remember. Are you an ornithologist?
Sadly no :/ I work on a dairy plant though…
Other than the south bird (the rest of the cardinal birds were revealed in a coverstory), I think that it's no coincidence.
Yeah, that is true! Also one could say that it even confirms it even more because he chose specifically the south bird in the story with the straw hats, but that again is kinda stretching it so it suits the rest of them ;)
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South Blue is (largely) based on tropical island countries so it definitely makes sense that exotic birds would hail from there.
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Hm, this makes me think. What if it was not a mistake and the unknown female marine giant is Jun Giant and in fact John Giant's mother? I guess that would make John actually kind of young for his race, but that would be a cool foreshadowing.
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