Indecision 2016 - In Soviet Russia, we elect american president!

[Cyan D. Funk]

@Monkey:

There's a tragically small one like that really close by, of course as a side effect the reservations like that are essentially community centers…or community picnic areas rather than living space of any kind. The general area isn't a wasteland so there's not really a POOR INDIAN demographic exactly. Lost of them kind of melted into the population density long ago. There's so few as it is.

Mine's less of a community center and more of a Vegas strip of hastily-built smoke shops (including one being run out of a converted shipping container.) Most of the nation members are black, too. On the bright side, they have their own gas station that's like a buck cheaper than anywhere else.

[Ubiq]

Bernie's going to speak in a few minutes.

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Bernie's still pushing the line about fighting on even though it's mathematically impossible for him to win.

[Demon Rin]

Oh… my.... fucking.... god....

My respect for Bernie Sanders is plummeting.... I kept waiting for him to do the right thing and concede and put up a unified front against Trump but... ugh.........

At least all of his actual attacks were directed at Trump... he didn't call Hillary anything nasty and even said he congratulated her for her wins (even tho that small shred of grace was met with boos from the audience)

ugh.... Ralph Nader 2.0 everybody....

[Cyan D. Funk]

Indecision 2016 - IT'S NOT OVER, SNAKE, NOT YET

[Mr. Zoro]

The feed cut out right as Bernie said "Now, I'm pretty good at arithmatics-" I really wanted to know what his defense of the numbers was. Oh well.

I was all for Bernie until recent events, and now I'm equally annoyed that some of my friends are going to be going on about how he'll pull through, despite what the "bad media" says.

[Green_vs_Red]

@Ubiq:

Bernie's still pushing the line about fighting on even though it's mathematically impossible for him to win.

I truly do believe Bernie is suffering from a severe form of dementia at this point.

@Cyan:

Indecision 2016 - IT'S NOT OVER, SNAKE, NOT YET

Indecision 2016 - THE NUMBERS BERNIE, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?

[Carmilla]

Reading all the stuff online I am really confused and I guess I don't understand how exactly this works.
But doesn't Bernie have not even a theoretical (practically impossible) chance anymore? Even if Hillary hasn't secured enough delegates yet? Or has she?

[Jabberwok]

Democratic delegates are split into two categories: about 4,000 pledged delegates that are apportioned by state primaries and caucuses, and another ~750 superdelegates appointed by the Democratic party to vote for whomever they choose as a means of adding a bit of regulation to the process. The vast majority of superdelegates have said that they will vote for Hillary at the Convention, something that Bernie supporters decry as undemocratic (it is, but a political party is technically a private organization and has no obligation beyond public opinion to choose its nominee democratically).

Including "committed" superdelegates, Hillary has more than half the necessary votes to secure the nomination, but superdelegates are technically unpledged until the Convention so they can always change their mind. However, after California Hillary will also have won more than half the 4,000 pledged delegates that are meant to reflect the will of the people; she will still be shy of the 2,383 total votes needed to secure the nomination if one is only counting pledged delegates, though.

Bernie's sole hope is that he can convince almost all of the superdelegates to vote for him instead, in the process going against the popular vote and overriding the process of the public primary system. The superdelegates might be undemocratic, but they've never actually gone against the popular vote since their establishment. And frankly, they're not about to start for a radical candidate who's spent most of his recent career as an independent.

So Hillary's won the popular vote and a majority of the pledged delegates and she should have the nomination locked up if superdelegates vote as expected. Bernie's not mathematically eliminated, but he can't win barring a monumental party coup that would be profoundly undemocratic.

[Robby]

It's the same as it was THREE MONTHS AGO. Bernie lost a long long time ago, he's just not willing to admit it until the final deadline because he's hoping Hillary has a heart attack in the meantime or something.

Hillary officially has the numbers to win,and has won the majority by every possible metric, and by quite a bit. Barring some amazingly shady things going down in the Sander's camp at the finish line.

This is no longer about democracy and having every voice heard, this is about not liking the result and trying to give the race to Trump.

[Green_vs_Red]

@Robby:

It's the same as it was THREE MONTHS AGO. Bernie lost a long long time ago, he's just not willing to admit it until the final deadline because he's hoping Hillary has a heart attack in the meantime or something.

Bernie's just acting like your typical male driver with no sense of direction. Continues to keep driving the car all the while they're either going in circles or heading further down the wrong stretch of road. And won't take the wife's suggestion to pull over and ask for directions embarrassment and complete waste of valuable time and gas be damned.

[Cyclone_Baroness]

@Mr.:

The feed cut out right as Bernie said "Now, I'm pretty good at arithmatics-" I really wanted to know what his defense of the numbers was. Oh well.

I was all for Bernie until recent events, and now I'm equally annoyed that some of my friends are going to be going on about how he'll pull through, despite what the "bad media" says.

Yeah. I have some friends that are being completely irritating about Bernie. I may have to disable Facebook for a few months. They seem to have blinders on.

[Silence]

@Green_vs_Red:

Bernie's just acting like your typical male driver with no sense of direction. Continues to keep driving the car all the while they're either going in circles or heading further down the wrong stretch of road. And won't take the wife's suggestion to pull over and ask for directions embarrassment and complete waste of valuable time and gas be damned.

Well… I hate to confirm your suspicions but,

Here Politico goes into what's happening in Bernie Sanders' camp right now.

Usually aides and staffers wait until the election is over to start dishing up dirt like this; if they're doing it this early, it can only be because they saw the writing on the wall a long time ago.
Some of them cite concerns that Bernie is shooting himself in the foot with starting fights that evaporate his good will, and not considering alliances that would help him if he should lose.
And at the center of it all: Bernie, bitter, wounded, and mad as hell. Harry Reid tried to set him up with progressive allies (in competitive districts) to help him in Congress
and Bernie basically doesn't return the call because he wouldn't support anyone who hadn't endorsed him.

It's… exactly what I expected was happening in this campaign. Bernie is running the show & so for better or for worse, the mistakes made are his.

[Outerspec]

Bernie has been buttering up his supporters for weeks now to take the fight to Donald Trump in the general at all costs and hasn't his latest speech made that pretty clear?

He didn't attack Hillary or say America is screwed. He talked about and kept focus on the issues he has campaigned on which, in no small part, shifted Hillary to the left and then he attacked Donald Trump because he represents the opposite of where we should be headed. He's also firing half his staff very soon because for the last few weeks it hasn't really been about winning, not really, but the message. The message he plans to carry on to the convention. The message of real meaningful change that we shouldn't just resign to the category of "impossible". Now, if he really wanted to hand the election to Donald he would be attacking Hillary but he isn't. Of course he isn't. He'd much rather have Hillary Clinton in office excluding himself.

If Bernie Sanders continues to stay on his message and attack Donald Trump then I still have no problem with him staying in the race and energizing his base purposefully against Trump. Naturally, Bernie's base will also be adamantly fighting against Hillary to a certain extent and there may be some more words said because Hill and Bern are still opponents but, uh, Donald Trump won't be receiving an endorsement from Bernie Sanders. Hillary Clinton will. When it all comes down to it Bernie Sanders will be saying Hillary Clinton is the person for the job and we should all be doing our best to prevent Donald Trump from taking the white house. Yes, there will be a few Bernie supporters stubborn enough not to vote Hillary or maybe even vote for Trump but the vast majority of Bernie voters will obviously vote for Hillary come general election. Especially more with Bernie's endorsement.

[Robby]

Every discussion I've seen at this point is merely pissed about Bernie being cheated and Hillary being evil.

If it was one or two people it'd be whatever. But every single Bernie supporter I've seen, be it on news sites or facebook or even here, has pretty much declared Hillary the devil, sworn they won't vote for her, and that the system was corrupt and rigged because their guy lost by millions of votes. They seem to only hate Hillary and be pissed at the cheating of the democratic system. I don't see ANYONE going "good game" or "well, at least Bernie pulled her in the right direction."

NO ONE is discussing "Well, of these two candidates that agree 93%, I guess the one I liked more didn't quite make it, but at least the other choice is pretty close in values", it's much more about Hillary being the face of evil.

The sheer outrage when she was declared the winner the other day before the last couple states voted was just taken as further indignation and proof of conspiracy to destroy turnout. Nevermind she was ahead by 2 million votes months ago and is ahead by 3 million now. Or 1000 delegates! Three months ago Bernie could have dropped and said "Supers don't count till the end" and everyone would have agreed with that and it would have been a close race, just behind by 50 or a 100. Now, by insisting on going to the final count it's a much more crushing loss.

If it was neck and neck and there were a few thousand votes difference, in just one location where there were obvious hijinks, like it was with Bush/Gore in 2000, it'd be a different matter entirely, but it's not, and it hasn't been for a long time.

Nevermind that the longer Bernie does this the more of his goodwill he erodes, the more he mocks the process, the actual will of the people and divides the party. Aside fromt he fact he's not even a democrat and refuses to play ball with anyone in the party, so you really have to wonder how well he would have actually worked with anyone had he done it.

Take the combative statement after the Nevada showdown.
“I don’t know who advised him that this was the right route to take, but we are now actively destroying what Bernie worked so hard to build over the last year just to pick up two fucking delegates in a state he lost,” rapid response director Mike Casca complained to Weaver in an internal campaign email obtained by POLITICO.

I wanted him to go through and win it. But it's just… its over man, end this with some dignity.

This isn’t about what’s good for the Democratic Party in his mind, but about what he thinks is good for advancing the agenda that he’s been pushing since before he got elected mayor of Burlington.

[Outerspec]

Well, it can't be every single Bernie supporter because I'm a Bernie supporter who supports Hillary Clinton's run for presidency. I think it's just a loud minority of Bernie supporters who compare Hillary to the devil and say they'll even go as far as to vote for Trump. It's like Republicans who don't want gun control and say Obama is trying to take away the 2nd amendment. Obviously, only a minority of Republicans actually mean or say that and most Republicans believe in sensible gun control but the conversation always focuses on the vocal minority. They don't represent the reality.

[benjamminbrown]

Don't assume that all Bernie supporters think and feel the same way as the most vocal ones, Robby. Thanks.

[Robby]

The vocal ones are the only ones being seen. The only ones discussing it, showing any involvement whatsoever. You look at his own websites, the facebook pages, the pages made by his supporters, it consistently comes out the same.

Yes, obviously it's not 100% of his supporters. I'd still kind of rather it was him than Hillary. The same way not 100% of Republicans are evil. But it's a large enough chunk, the big visible part that talks and gets their message spread and news stories and influences others.

It doesn't have to be literally every single supporter, if absolutely nothing else, no middleground or sensible speakers are being seen. I don't see anything else, and I go a lot of places.

And even Bernie's own aides are saying he has no plans to support the democrats.

93% of Republicans are fine decent people more in the middle than the extremes. And so are 93% of Democrats, I lived in Texas. I worked with Republicans with nary an issue. But the extremes, the ones that talk and are active in the process and are the only exposure anyone gets to any of it? That's the problem.

Top Sanders aides admit that it’s been weeks, if not months, since they themselves realized he wasn’t going to win, and they’ve been operating with a Trump’s-got-no-real-shot safety net. They debate whether Sanders’ role in the fall should be a full vote-for-Clinton campaign, or whether he should just campaign hard against Trump without signing up to do much for her directly.
They haven’t been able to get Sanders focused on any of that, or on the real questions about what kind of long term organization to build out of his email list. They know they’ll have their own rally in Philadelphia – outside the the convention hall—but that’s about as far as they’ve gotten.
“He wants to be in the race until the end, until the roll call vote,” Weaver said.

[Mr. Zoro]

It's pretty irritating when people won't vote for Hilary because of her character, and yet they don't apply the same standards to Trump.

I'm not a fan of her as a person, but no matter which way I see it, I'm more comfortable with her in office than Trump. I mean, whoever becomes President has to talk and work with world leaders, for one thing. Imagining Trump do that terrifies me.

@Cyclone_Baroness:

Yeah. I have some friends that are being completely irritating about Bernie. I may have to disable Facebook for a few months. They seem to have blinders on.

Fb becomes a riot around the political elections, it's quite shocking yet entertaining. I still have some friends blocked from the 2012 election :) not because I disagreed with them, but because they were just so obsessed and so obnoxious about it all. It was all they talked about, even afterwards.

Politics is important, but I don't want to live and breathe it 24/7.

[Green_vs_Red]

@Silence:

Well… I hate to confirm your suspicions but,

Here Politico goes into what's happening in Bernie Sanders' camp right now.

Usually aides and staffers wait until the election is over to start dishing up dirt like this; if they're doing it this early, it can only be because they saw the writing on the wall a long time ago.
Some of them cite concerns that Bernie is shooting himself in the foot with starting fights that evaporate his good will, and not considering alliances that would help him if he should lose.
And at the center of it all: Bernie, bitter, wounded, and mad as hell. Harry Reid tried to set him up with progressive allies (in competitive districts) to help him in Congress
and Bernie basically doesn't return the call because he wouldn't support anyone who hadn't endorsed him.

It's… exactly what I expected was happening in this campaign. Bernie is running the show & so for better or for worse, the mistakes made are his.

So much douchebaggery and bullshit in that story on the part of Bernie and his aides. That did not paint a flattering picture of
the campaign and it's apparent message at all.

[Outerspec]

@Robby:

The vocal ones are the only ones being seen. The only ones discussing it, showing any involvement whatsoever. You look at his own websites, the facebook pages, the pages made by his supporters, it consistently comes out the same.

Yes, obviously it's not 100% of his supporters. I'd still kind of rather it was him than Hillary. The same way not 100% of Republicans are evil. But it's a large enough chunk, the big visible part that talks and gets their message spread and news stories and influences others.

It doesn't have to be literally every single supporter, if absolutely nothing else, no middleground or sensible speakers are being seen. I don't see anything else, and I go a lot of places.

And even Bernie's own aides are saying he has no plans to support the democrats.

93% of Republicans are fine decent people more in the middle than the extremes. And so are 93% of Democrats, I lived in Texas. I worked with Republicans with nary an issue. But the extremes, the ones that talk and are active in the process and are the only exposure anyone gets to any of it? That's the problem.

Let's just hope Bernie gives a glowing endorsement. I myself have no doubt it'll be sincere and lasting but I don't know how that would impress upon said minority group who sincerely believe in "Bernie or Bust".

[Silence]

@Green_vs_Red:

So much douchebaggery and bullshit in that story on the part of Bernie and his aides. That did not paint a flattering picture of
the campaign and it's apparent message at all.

Well, no. It doesn't, but I should have put it as a bit of disclaimer that you can bet that the aides that leaked these conversations to Politico have some of their own agendas as well.

I think in the coming hours we'll see what kind of concessions Bernie asks for so we can get this ship righted somehow.

[Green_vs_Red]

I like to think it's motivated by them falling out of love with Bernie either because of Weaver or Bernie himself or both.

[MugiMikey]

@Demon:

My respect for Bernie Sanders is plummeting…. I kept waiting for him to do the right thing and concede and put up a unified front against Trump but... ugh.........

Gonna be honest even if it's not the most popular opinion around here— I can't see how many people had much respect for Bernie to begin with. Wasting time and money is a concept he's all too familiar with, so I'm not surprised he's going to remain in the race, raking up money from his delusional donators by saying "IT'S NOT OVER YET" until the convention. He was a nobody with a fondness for communistic ideals (like breadlines) and didn't have a job until he was 40, but ever since he became a presidential candidate he's been able to go and do all these nice things and have the time of his life. He's known for a long time that he's not going to win; he's just enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.

And that's just one of the many problems I have with him. Even though I don't like Hillary either, I'd much rather her have the nomination.

[Robby]

@Mikey:

I can't see how many people had much respect for Bernie to begin with.

Because he struck a lot of the same cords Obama did 8 years ago. Relative "political outsider" that spoke with fresh ideas about how the system was broken and we needed change and he spoke well to issues that we cared about, and he didn't seem like a typical politician.

Yes, he's been a politician for forever, but he's been in the background enough he was a relatively new face to voters and we could look at his record and go "sure, he's been a politician, but he's not one of THEM. He's been speaking the TRUTH for DECADES and we're just now hearing about the guy! If you look at his record he's totally consistent and stands by his principles!"

Compared to Clinton who we've known in depth for decades and is absolutely the symbol of traditional politics, it was enticing.

And that sounds very, very good. Too good to be true, but easy to believe with just a light skimming of his record, which is all most of us really had a year ago when he first became a presence, and that's pretty much the narrative they pushed until around March, when Clinton won Super Tuesday and the math became near impossible for him.

At a surface glance, he looked really really promising. Especially in a sequel to the "Unknown underdog versus Clinton" match, people could delude themselves for a long time that history might repeat itself, while never actually looking all that closely at what the situation actually was 8 years ago.

Of course, the politicians that actually HAVE known him for decades apparently don't like him and didn't think he could unify anything or help the party, and that's why they never even remotely rallied around him, and a year of light vetting and campaigning have shown a lot of his faults and that yes, he was too good to be true.

He might still factually be a better person than Clinton, (at least partly because he hasn't been attacked by Republicans nonstop for 20 years) but in terms of clean record and actually getting stuff done and working with the party? Eh, not so much.

[Ubiq]

My problem with what people like Outerspec are saying about Bernie is how much of it was revealed to be just flat out wrong last night. The minute he mentioned Hillary, the crowd immediately began booing. There's a reason for that and it's entirely becuase the Sanders campaign has long been sellung the idea that the system is rigged. The utter lack of response on his part other than a "Let me finish" gesture speaks volumes about the lack of character that's become the hallmark of his campaign forthe past two months.

[Commander Chopper]

It's so funny to see that the establishments of both parties have unfair and undemocratic processes and rules supposed to give an easier path to the nomination to their favorite candidates and it ended backfiring at them
For the republicans trump would probably not have won the nomination if they had only proportional primaries
For the democrats hillary has to wait until the convention to be confirmed despite her huge lead in the pledged delegates count because of the super delegate system that might have secured the nomination for her if things went bad.

[Monkey King]

@Mikey:

He was a nobody

He's a senator? Did you not know this?

with a fondness for communistic ideals (like breadlines)

Bernie and his idea have their weak spots to attack, but maybe try understanding literally any of them before attempting to attack lol.

and didn't have a job until he was 40,

Bizarre random accusation that is entirely incorrect.

[Silence]

While some elements of the presidential nomination process are as undemocratic as anything in the voting system (caucuses, superdelegates, states that vote early having outsized influence on the nomination process, gerrymandering, the Electoral College, hell: the Senate itself), the same system that installed Hillary Clinton THIS year also installed Barack Obama eight years ago.

Mind you, that race was a LOT closer. But if not for the delegate system, Hillary Clinton would have won eight years ago.
Bernie doesn't get to join the party–only to run--demand that the rules be changed in his favor, and then lob shit at /
permit his followers to lob shit at the superdelegates that actually have genuinely legitimate reasons for not backing him.

Maybe if he wasn't trailing by three million votes, he'd be able to make a better argument.

[MugiMikey]

@Monkey:

He's a senator? Did you not know this?

Before he became a senator… Before that, he just tried various gigs (such as being a carpenter) and was dirt poor. He didn't accomplish much.

Bernie and his idea have their weak spots to attack, but maybe try understanding literally any of them before attempting to attack lol.

What am I misunderstanding about it?

Bizarre random accusation that is entirely incorrect.

I'm not counting the short-lived gigs he had. I meant he didn't have a real, stable job until he was in his 40s.

[Outerspec]

@Ubiq:

My problem with what people like Outerspec are saying about Bernie is how much of it was revealed to be just flat out wrong last night. The minute he mentioned Hillary, the crowd immediately began booing. There's a reason for that and it's entirely becuase the Sanders campaign has long been sellung the idea that the system is rigged. The utter lack of response on his part other than a "Let me finish" gesture speaks volumes about the lack of character that's become the hallmark of his campaign forthe past two months.

It's true Bernie could have done more to discourage the booing of Hillary Clinton and maybe even chastised the behavior. In fact, here's a good example of what could have been done:

But it's going a bit far in saying they booed her "entirely" because they all believe the system is rigged. I don't think that's entirely fair to say. That's taking agency away from the fact that people have legitimate concerns about Hillary Clinton. To imply otherwise is misleading. It's almost like you're saying none of those people have any capacity to form their own thoughts and opinions about candidates and find fault in Hillary Clinton. Surely, it's not fact that the only reason they're booing her is because they think she cheated.

Maybe they don't like her mindset on matters that regard policies like the TPP and how she only changed her mind recently.
Maybe they don't like her stance on big banks because they don't believe she goes far enough in preventing them from repeating 2008 all over again.
Maybe they don't like her stance on health care or education because they believe she's settling for less.
Maybe they don't like her large ties to wall street and their influence.
Maybe they don't believe she is the best person for the job.
Maybe they're just mad because they're losing.

Maybe all of the above, but surely it can't just be everyone thinks Hillary Clinton rigged the system. They cheered Barack Obama and if anything he's at the top of "the system". Clearly, he favors Hillary Clinton and plans to endorse her so if they truly all believed the system was rigged his name would have been booed out the building too.

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@Mikey:

Gonna be honest even if it's not the most popular opinion around here— I can't see how many people had much respect for Bernie to begin with.

@Mikey:

Before he became a senator… Before that, he just tried various gigs (such as being a carpenter) and was dirt poor. He didn't accomplish much.

I'm not counting the short-lived gigs he had. I meant he didn't have a real, stable job until he was in his 40s.

He was dirt poor and a filthy low class carpenter (with various other gigs)? Yech.

Tell me more about why this man should not be respected.

[Green_vs_Red]

@Outerspec:

But it's going a bit far in saying they booed her "entirely" because they all believe the system is rigged. I don't think that's entirely fair to say. That's taking agency away from the fact that people have legitimate concerns about Hillary Clinton.

Enough to the point where that justifies their claims that she's the lesser of two evils between her and Trump. The insisting of some that her getting the nomination over Bernie means they'll either not vote or write-in for Bernie come November. And never mind the fact that some have openly been buying into Bernie's comments concerning his apparent argument that the system is flawed (because he's not winning), and that DNC is corrupt (because he's not winning and the party won't back him eventhough they never had reason to)?

@Outerspec:

Maybe they don't like her mindset on matters that regard policies like the TPP and how she only changed her mind recently.
Maybe they don't like her stance on big banks because they don't believe she goes far enough in preventing them from repeating 2008 all over again.
Maybe they don't like her stance on health care or education because they believe she's settling for less.
Maybe they don't like her large ties to wall street and their influence.

Maybe they don't believe she is the best person for the job.
Maybe they're just mad because they're losing.

Maybe all of the above, but surely it can't just be everyone thinks Hillary Clinton rigged the system**. They cheered Barack Obama and if anything he's at the top of "the system".** Clearly, he favors Hillary Clinton and plans to endorse her so if they truly all believed the system was rigged his name would have been booed out the building too.

Which is strange given that some of the issues you brought up about Hillary could apply to Obama as well particularly the ties to Wall Street, Obama not cracking down as harshly and deservedly on Wall Street, and him opting to take individual mandate of the ACA eventhough a good number of people wanted it.

But the difference in him and Hillary? Bernie hasn't been attacking and making insinuations about Obama the last few months.

[Outerspec]

@Green_vs_Red:

Enough to the point where that justifies their claims that she's the lesser of two evils between her and Trump. The insisting of some that her getting the nomination over Bernie means they'll either not vote or write-in for Bernie come November. And never mind the fact that some have openly been buying into Bernie's comments concerning his apparent argument that the system is flawed (because he's not winning), and that DNC is corrupt (because he's not winning and the party won't back him eventhough they never had reason to)?

The system is flawed. That goes without saying, but of course the system is not literally rigged against Bernie Sanders. Bernie's campaign has acknowledged as much but there is a contradiction in that statement because they have definitely also complained about unfairness in the system. Won't deny that but, like I said before, 8 years ago when Hillary Clinton was on the losing side she was the one complaining about the system being unfair, disenfranchised voters, complaining about the rules, and all that stuff. It's not unheard of for the losing side to complain though I would make the argument that Bernie has done it more which has contributed in people's agitation towards him.

As for the voters who will do write-ins for Bernie Sanders or not vote at all. I still see them only as a minority of his entire base.

Which is strange given that some of the issues you brought up about Hillary could apply to Obama as well particularly the ties to Wall Street, Obama not cracking down as harshly and deservedly on Wall Street, and him opting to take individual mandate of the ACA eventhough a good number of people wanted it.

But the difference in him and Hillary? Bernie hasn't been attacking and making insinuations about Obama the last few months.

There's also another difference you're forgoing. Barack Obama is not running against Bernie Sanders. Obama served in office and many of his policies were great steps in the right direction. That's nothing to boo about. Now it's between Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and Donald Trump to win the presidency. Realistically, Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. Anyway, a lot of the booing has to do with Hillary Clinton being Bernie Sander's opponent as much as it has to do with them not liking Hillary for various reasons. Various reasons beyond 'The media spoon feeding the masses misinformation about Hillary Clinton.' The #1 reason for booing probably being the belief that Bernie Sanders should be POTUS and not Hillary Clinton.

[Monkey King]

@Mikey:

Before he became a senator… Before that

Before that he was a House Rep for Vermont, and before that mayor of the biggest city in Vermont.

Before that, he just tried various gigs (such as being a carpenter) and was dirt poor. He didn't accomplish much.

Who gives a shit.

What am I misunderstanding about it?

You don't know what communism is, what social-democracy is etc etc.
Like word to the wise, all the criticism in the world for these things is available. But when your research is internet garbage memes and grandma chain mail you're never gonna count for knowing what you're talking about.

I'm not counting the short-lived gigs he had. I meant he didn't have a real, stable job until he was in his 40s.

So he worked before 40. Thanks for playing.

[taboo]

http://www.bustle.com/articles/165572-jill-stein-reached-out-to-bernie-sanders-her-message-will-resonate-with-his-supporters

:I

[Jabberwok]

On the other hand, some Bernie fans are also coming around.

[Cyan D. Funk]

@taboo:

http://www.bustle.com/articles/165572-jill-stein-reached-out-to-bernie-sanders-her-message-will-resonate-with-his-supporters

:I

Getting Republicans Elected Every November

[Femme]

So wait, noob question: I thought that once a candidate won the nomination, the others were.. no more.

How are people still vowing to vote Bernie and Bernie not conceding happening?

[Demon Rin]

@Femme:

So wait, noob question: I thought that once a candidate won the nomination, the others were.. no more.

How are people still vowing to vote Bernie and Bernie not conceding happening?

You're right in a practical sense, in a technical sense it's not quite that easy.

Hillary's Won. By every fathomable measure, Hillary has won. She has the majority of the pledged delegates by about a 400 lead on Bernie, she easily has the popular vote by about 4 million votes, and then if you add the Super Delegates, she's well over the top for delegates.

However.

TECHNICALLY the Super Delegates officially aren't REQUIRED to vote for Hillary. They've said they are going to, but they don't HAVE to. They can vote for whoever they want to.
In the beginning of all of this, Bernie said he planned to win the majority of the pledged (as in non-Super) Delegates and the Popular vote because conventional wisdom says if a candidate has the popular vote, the Super Delegates should honor the will of the people and switch sides to back the candidate the people picked.
Now, for some reason, Bernie has completely flip-flopped and is NOW saying the will of the people means crap. He now thinks he can make the argument to the Super Delegates that he's the stronger candidate before the Convention in late July, and if he does, they'll jump ship, leave the candidate with the most votes to back the guy who lost that vote and make him win…. somehow....

Again, if he had the majority of the pledged delegates, or the popular vote, or even Hell, if he was behind but it was at least CLOSE, like under 100 delegates apart close, he'd have an argument to make to the Supers and to try to turn them to his side, and he'd have a point...
As it stands however, he's vowing to fight purely on a technicality.

The Super Delegates TECHNICALLY haven't voted for Hillary yet, despite vowing that they will, and tho chances of it happening are basically non-existent, it's TECHNICALLY possible for them to defy the will of the people and change their minds to vote for Bernie in July.

Bernie's reasoning for staying in the race is based PURELY on that technicality, with a healthy dose of bitterness and the temperament of a sore loser mixed in for good measure.

[Femme]

That is.. strange to say the least. Why all the fuss about winning a nomination when the loser is still allowed to participate? It would've made a lot more sense if the losing candidates were basically dropped from the election after the nomination was won.

[Demon Rin]

@Femme:

That is.. strange to say the least. Why all the fuss about winning a nomination when the loser is still allowed to participate? It would've made a lot more sense if the losing candidates were basically dropped from the election after the nomination was won.

That's the thing tho. We know Hillary has won, she has the majority of Delegates, but elections in this country work in a funny way.

The voting isn't directly voting for who is going to be the nominee, it's voting for Delegates who will then vote for the nominee. That voting happens at the Democrat National Convention on July 25th. We know Hillary has the majority of the Delegates, but until the Delegates actually go and vote in late July at the actual convention, then TECHNICALLY Hillary hasn't officially "Won" yet. On that same token, because of this, Bernie hasn't "Officially" lost yet. That's why he's able to stay in. Conventional logic says he should have resigned by now, but purely on a technical level, he hasn't officially "Lost" until that vote happens in July.

So basically, Everyone is aware that Hillary has more delegates and is GOING to be nominated officially in July, but until that happens she hasn't TECHNICALLY been nominated yet.

On top of that there is a sizable slice of the delegates that are "Super" Delegates and are allowed to change their minds before they vote. They're the big thing here. Bernie thinks he can convince enough of them to change their minds and vote for him before July so he can basically steal the win away from Hillary.
It's not going to happen, but it's TECHNICALLY possible, so Bernie is stubbornly holding out because of it.

[Femme]

Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation! TIL American politics is complicated o.o

[Robby]

@Femme:

Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation! TIL American politics is complicated o.o

Not that complicated.

Bernie is being a sore loser and doesn't care about the actual party.

Pretty much what it all boils down to.

As for the people vowing to write in Bernie in protest…. well, they just want to waste their vote, and they probably don't realize that only 8 of the 50 states even allow write ins.

[Outerspec]

@Jabberwok:

On the other hand, some Bernie fans are also coming around.

See folks? Stop your worrying. Bernie supporters are already coming around and, truthfully, have been for months now. I mean, they might not be super excited about it but this is the inevitable outcome, and I suspect more people are ok with it than they let on.

[taboo]

I wouldn't be so nervous if it wasn't for Trump

It's like some kind of comedy skit where something awful could happen and someone goes "there's only a 2% chance that could happen, don't worry!" And immediately we watch a series of Rube Goldberg like events leading directly to that thing nobody wants happening

[Ekila]

I may have voted for Bernie for the primary, but over time my support for him has slowly diminished. It was mostly due the things he started to say and do. So, in a way, I'm happy that Hillary won. She seems to care about human rights more than Bernie showed. And that's very important to me. She also wants similar things to Bernie, so it's not like it's a loss. So, I'm happy with what had happened in the Democratic primary. Besides that, Hillary should easily crush Trump when the main election comes around. I have a feeling she is gonna win, since even half of the Republican party does not want to vote for Trump. With that in mind, she should easily crush him when November hits around. So, hopefully it goes the way I predicted.

Also, I think Bernie would have done better in pulling in more voters, if he talked more about human rights, especially when it comes to minorities. But he did not try to change, so he kept on going with the same things. Those things are nice too like having a living wage, but having non-discrimination laws is important too. Since you know, in many states for example LGBT people can get fired at any time. So, even if there was a living wage, those same minorities would have a tough time even getting a job because there was not any laws to help protect them from discrimination. That's why, I think both are important. You just cannot have one without the other.

[MetaMario]

"There's no way Trump will even get the nomination!" - America, 2015
"Okay uh….there's no way he can beat Hillary!" - America, June 2016
".....fuck." - America, November 2016

It feels like a prank gone wrong half of the time.

[Louis-1988]

If I were Bernie I'd keep fighting too. He polls better against Trump than Shillary in just about every poll and, more importantly, he doesn't have an FBI investigation that could end with him being indicted halfway through the general election looming over his head.

Furthermore, Hillary had 400 superdelegates on board with her before the first ballot in Iowa was even cast. The democratic party establishment doesn't give a flying shit about "the will of the people.". They already annointed her before the race had even begun.

[Ekila]

@Louis-1988:

If I were Bernie I'd keep fighting too. He polls better against Trump than Shillary in just about every poll and, more importantly, he doesn't have an FBI investigation that could end with him being indicted halfway through the general election looming over his head.

Expect there's no reason that Bernie needs to keep on fighting. Hillary already got all the pledged delegates she needed to win the primary. This is without super delegates even. And polls don't matter either since that's only a select few that actually voted in those polls. You also forgetting, that Trump does not have the support from most of the Republican party either. So, because of that, those reminding people will vote for someone else, either Hillary or a third party. Also, Bernie had no attack ads on him either. If he became the nominee, he would have of course attack advertisements from the right, which of course would lower his chances as well. So, there's more things to consider than just polls.

@Louis-1988:

Furthermore, Hillary had 400 superdelegates on board with her before the first ballot in Iowa was even cast. The democratic party establishment doesn't give a flying shit about "the will of the people.". They already annointed her before the race had even begun.

Yeah, so what that she had support already on board, as it does not matter at all that she did. Since if she started losing to Bernie, then those super delegates will go to Bernie instead. Since, you know, the super delegates always went to the person that was more popular/winning. So, in return, that is caring about what the people want. Most people that voted in the Democratic Party primary wanted Hillary over Bernie. And the evidence is in the votes.

[taboo]

I can't believe NOBODY in America voted for Hillary and yet she's still being ANOINTED supreme democrat queen of the colonies and democracy is a MYTH

[Ubiq]

Bernie basically gets Generic Democrat numbers against Trump. His numbers would fall pretty quickly into line with Clinton if he were the actual nominee.