You sound awfully like you're trying to rescue some damsels in distress, Ubiq. Manrescuing?
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@Bilbo:
STEM doesn't appeal to women which is why very few take it as their major.
You're making really broad generalizations. Please stop.
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That's a series of talking points, not actual evidence. The numbers are also off.
like i'm trying to take this article seriously but it's mostly just scooby doo-ing it. most rapes arent ever reported so you cant base your arguments off of reported cases.
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It's kind of hard to make an argument for either side if you don't have enough evidence to do anything with because most aren't reported.
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@Bilbo:
Technology and the sciences don't appeal to women. They never have. The difference is that before nobody thought there was anything wrong with that but now every Internet keyboard warrior and allied goon has to screech and holler about it and demand "something must be done!"
Oh God, No! That is absolutely the wrong conclusion.
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Yes, and the prison population is over 90% male. That raises some serious questions about the way we handle male criminals as opposed to female criminals.
Doesn't change the fact that the prisons aren't exactly unisex in the US. It's a prison full of men who are either lonely or asserting dominance. Most definitely stuff needs to be put into place to prevent that.
NO ONE is saying we shouldn't protect rape victims.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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Oh God, No! That is absolutely the wrong conclusion.
waves her biomedical engineering and electronics engineering dipolomas around
Did you ever get shit or abuse? Was anyone trying to force you out of studying those?
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like i'm trying to take this article seriously but it's mostly just scooby doo-ing it. most rapes arent ever reported so you cant base your arguments off of reported cases.
This is true, but far fewer rapes of men are reported than rapes of women. Why is it so hard to believe that with a male prison population nine times that of the female prison population, those numbers would add up?
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This is true, but far fewer rapes of men are reported than rapes of women. Why is it so hard to believe that with a male prison population nine times that of the female prison population, those numbers would add up?
because i'm not afraid of going to men's prison and being raped, like most women who get pissed off about rape
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Oh God, No! That is absolutely the wrong conclusion.
waves her biomedical engineering and electronics engineering diplomas around
Dang Femme, double engineering degrees? That's badass.
I'm guessing you didn't do your studying in the U.S, so did you experience any of these same societal pressures in the process? I'm curious if the degree of adversity you experienced was similar to what happens here.
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@Bilbo:
Technology and the sciences don't appeal to women. They never have. The difference is that before nobody thought there was anything wrong with that but now every Internet keyboard warrior and allied goon has to screech and holler about it and demand "something must be done!"
why hello there my entire point earlier:
What you're addressing is the almost silent nudge that happens throughout a woman's life where people go: "oh, hey, you're so good with babies/animals/disinfecting my heinous looking rash!" Or the constant, "boys are just so much better at math/science/cutting wood, huh?"
There is a sort of disinterest because we're almost told we shouldn't be without it being straight to our faces. Never mind the places of the world where it's still said.
also hello there, IT certifications
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It's kind of hard to make an argument for either side if you don't have enough evidence to do anything with because most aren't reported.
i think most of the hard numbers are from polls and surveys
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Did you ever get shit or abuse? Was anyone trying to force you out of studying those?
I did have people doubt I would be able to get those because it's a "man's job." But because I like to get involved and help people when I could, profs took special notice of me and I was pretty well known in my classes, so I've had guys (95% of classes) tell me they were intimidated by me which was pretty funny. But in any case, I've been a tech geek since I was like 5 or 6.
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I did have people doubt I would be able to get those because it's a "man's job." But because I like to get involved and help people when I could, profs took special notice of me and I was pretty well known in my classes, so I've had guys (95% of classes) tell me they were intimidated by me which was pretty funny. But in any case, I've been a tech geek since I was like 5 or 6.
There's another social point on lower percentage of women interested in these fields.
In my IT classes, I knew like … three other women. A woman around my age, an older latino lady, and a MUCH older African American lady. They were all wonderful. The rest were men. Most of whom were awesome dudes, and didn't care in the slightest or appear to mention that kind of bullshit. But this was in Washington state.
But that's a reason I could see why a woman might stop taking those classes. While I knew those women, we didn't exactly form a clique of any kind. And we didn't share all of each other's classes. Most of my time was spent with the guys also because I'm just comfortable with them.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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@dirt:
Doesn't change the fact that the prisons aren't exactly unisex in the US. It's a prison full of men who are either lonely or asserting dominance. Most definitely stuff needs to be put into place to prevent that.
NO ONE is saying we shouldn't protect rape victims.
Maybe so, but almost no one is really helping to protect male rape victims. Men's rights groups are mocked, harassed and marginalized, and feminist groups really haven't done anything to help male victims.
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Dang Femme, double engineering degrees? That's badass.
I'm guessing you didn't do your studying in the U.S, so did you experience any of these same societal pressures in the process? I'm curious if the degree of adversity you experienced was similar to what happens here.
My case can't really be compared to other women's experiences. Most of the time I was the only woman or one of 2 or 3 in classes, and since I was so outspoken my profs kinda fawned on me, and since I was a brown hijabi Muslim woman I kinda stood out even more. So I didn't really get any shit from my peers. By the time I graduated there were a ton more women tho which was awesome to see.
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Maybe so, but almost no one is really helping to protect male rape victims. Men's rights groups are mocked, harassed and marginalized, and feminist groups really haven't done anything to help male victims.
Please tell me how California's new rape bill doesn't help male victims.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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@dirt:
There's another social point on lower percentage of women interested in these fields.
In my IT classes, I knew like … three other women. A woman around my age, an older latino lady, and a MUCH older African American lady. They were all wonderful. The rest were men. Most of whom were awesome dudes, and didn't care in the slightest or appear to mention that kind of bullshit. But this was in Washington state.
But that's a reason I could see why a woman might stop taking those classes. While I knew those women, we didn't exactly form a clique of any kind. And we didn't share all of each other's classes. Most of my time was spent with the guys also because I'm just comfortable with them.
I had pretty much the exact same experience.
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What are you even arguing about at this point, Robo? I'm typically more with you than most people in this thread but it seems you're getting kind of off topic at this point, or at least trying to move the argument more towards hating men than possible issues women may have with higher education and/or higher paying jobs.
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@dirt:
Please tell me how California's new rape bill doesn't help male victims.
I'm not familiar with that bill. How does it help male victims?
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@Monkey:
Oh my GOD no.
Even if the rebels were militarily defeated they would melt back into a guerrilla campaign.
Meanwhile the Assad regime has been essentially destroyed militarily. The only reason it hasn't lost the war is Russian, Iranian, Hezbollah and foreign militia support.
The regime forces have been pushing the siege of Aleppo even deeper, taking lots of edge territories recently. It looks like great victory for the regime…. until you see a map of what forces are on the fronts for the regime. It is near entirely made up of Hezbollah, Iranian, and Iraqi militia forces. With Russian air cover.
The regime presence is nearly non-existent.In other words, to even uphold the victory in any meaningful sense those forces would have to stay and occupy the country militarily.
And be the targets of the guerrilla attacks like the US was in Iraq, except probably even worse. With all assurances of funding from those who want it.i realised this myself after thinking about it thats why i added :ninja: and (?)
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What are you even arguing about at this point, Robo? I'm typically more with you than most people in this thread but it seems you're getting kind of off topic at this point, or at least trying to move the argument more towards hating men than possible issues women may have with higher education and/or higher paying jobs.
I'm arguing that men are treated unequally in certain areas (prison, rape victims), which is part of the larger "equality of the sexes" discussion.
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I'm not familiar with that bill. How does it help male victims?
It doesn't say "this only applies to female victims" for one thing.
Brock Turner ring a bell?
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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@dirt:
It doesn't say "this only applies to female victims" for one thing.
Brock Turner ring a bell?
Mandatory sentencing could help discrepancies in punishment between male and female perps, but if all it does is send more rapists into a prison system that already has serious rape problems…
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Mandatory sentencing could help discrepancies in punishment between male and female perps, but if all it does is send more rapists into a prison system that already has serious rape problems…
That just makes me wonder how many rapists in prison are the ones actually doing the raping - I doubt Turner tried anything in his three months while there. In any case, the bill is for getting justice for the victims themselves - victims of all sexes.
Getting help for female victims of rape gets help for male victims too in bills like these. They don't ignore men.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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@dirt:
That just makes me wonder how many rapists in prison are the ones actually doing the raping - I doubt Turner tried anything in his three months while there. In any case, the bill is for getting justice for the victims themselves - victims of all sexes.
Getting help for female victims of rape gets help for male victims too in bills like these. They don't ignore men.
Fair enough. That helps provide justice for rape victims (in California), but there still isn't much in the way of services for men (such as counseling). Those services do generally exclude men because female victims can be triggered by the presence of a man during therapy.
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Fair enough. That helps provide justice for rape victims (in California), but there still isn't much in the way of services for men (such as counseling). Those services do generally exclude men because female victims can be triggered by the presence of a man during therapy.
I'm not sure how true it is that they are excluded (I'm not familiar with how much support women get with rape counseling either), but that makes it sound like it's just group counseling, and there's lots of different kinds of counseling that doesn't involve groups. Maybe men are getting excluded from group rape counseling, but hell, maybe some men who were raped by women are triggered by the presence of women?
I imagine there'd have to be a lot more collaboration between different kinds of counseling to really get everyone the right kind of counseling. If it's group counseling they need then: separated sex group sessions before moving into unisex sessions and so forth? <<< But it's another thing that potentially requires getting help for female victims too.
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uhm… totally unrelevant to the current rape topic going on in here... I wanted to say something from my own experience about wages.
I get 1cent over minimal wage. I have a male colleague who was underaged and therefore didnt get minimal wage. Now that he turned 18 he gets 8cents more than me. Sounds fair. Not.
He has the exact same position as me, being a casual. And he isn't as good in it as I am which is proven to me and him from many different colleagues and the fact that I am always put in the position of being his boss in shifts.And while I live in Germany and therefore am not under american laws, I kinda doubt that if germany isn't equal on paychecks yet, that america is.
And now I go back to lurking.
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They actually were. Even Fox news painted Trump in a negative light.
The media and the ads, yes. But the guy was also attacking the normal people. I for one always talked about his ineptitude as a President and his own scandals and him being a populist (but that was all on FB, so it's all moot).
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Gender-based equity is the suppression of one gender for the benefit of another. In the case of minorities (many of whom could greatly benefit our society if given the chance), I'm fine with equity if it's properly applied as needed. Applying equity to an entire gender is a recipe for disaster though, as men and women exist in all walks of life at basically the same rate.
This is not what gender equality means. I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that supression needs to happen. That would make it unbalanced again.
Also hi I have a masters in IT.
The STEM fields can still be toxic for women. You get people who flat out are disrespectful to any woman. At a data center I was at there were plenty of times I and the 4 other women there were talked down to. Purposely disregarded. Or when we got new batches of people they'd immediately treat us (people had been there longer) like we didn't know what we were doing.
Being a security guard was worse those. Pretty much any job where it was typically a "man's job" is teeth grindingly frustrating.
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@Monkey:
You've been conned and its super funny.
Oh, hey Monkey-chan! You've been gone for a few days, so nice of you to rejoin us! Finished quietly pouting over Trump winning, I presume? Nice to have you back.
I'm happy you've finally found yourself something to laugh about. Glad to see you back in top form. :happy:
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I thought he was banned from tweeting. Or had his phone taken away.
That was before the election.
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Maybe so, but almost no one is really helping to protect male rape victims. Men's rights groups are mocked, harassed and marginalized, and feminist groups really haven't done anything to help male victims.
Ok wait, I couldn't let this go un-commented on.
So-called "Men's Rights" groups routinely get mocked because they typically don't focus really any of their attention on actually fixing the few legitimate points they have to make (Male rape victims being ignored, divorce courts automatically favoring wives/mothers, etc)
Seriously, when was the last time a "Men's Rights" group staged a protest for one of these causes? I looked it up and tried to find examples of them actually protesting something and all I can find is them attacking Feminists. Every single rally or march they have is either organized by known misogynists like "Return of Kings" whose stated goals are to make Gender relations like they were in the 50s.
I'm serious, I can't find ONE example, not one, of a protest or a march done by any of these "Men's Rights Activists" where bashing or opposing Feminists wasn't the primary purpose.
While It's true there exist groups of Feminists who spend all their time bashing men, there are plenty of examples of feminists who don't. President Obama self-identifies as a feminist and wrote a great inspiring essay that doesn't "Bash men" at all.
That's the difference. Feminism is a very wide ranging ideology primarily built on the notion of Equality which some have hijacked and use as "Men Bashing" while for MRAs, at least with the way they present themselves, it feels like the other way around. Instead of fighting the inequalities that affect Men primarily with a crazy offshoot that attacks women/feminists, their PRIMARY purpose seems to be opposition to Women/Feminists with the legitimate issues taking a back seat.
For the record as well, those legitimate issues affecting men are, believe it or not, usually caused by good ole fashioned misogyny.
The two I'll use as an example are the two big ones that get talked about whenever an MRA wants look legitimate:
Divorce and custody battle issues are born from the Misogynistic notion that a woman's "Rightful place" is as the homemaker and mother. That a woman can't POSSIBLY take care of themselves, and they NEED a man to pay them alimony/child support. This same notion ALSO means that NATURALLY a woman would know what's best for the children. I mean, that's all women are really good for right? Popping out babies and raising them. NO WAY a woman could be good at anything else right?!
That's why some courts still side with women over men when it comes to divorce proceedings. Not because women have some kind of power over men that needs to be balanced, but because the court system has latent misogyny still permeating within it that causes it to treat women as if Motherhood is their primary job, and that they need to be coddled as a result. It's just one of those situations that shows Misogyny hurts men too.
Unfortunately, I do think this does cause a lot of feminist groups to ignore this issue, as the practical effect IS that women have an advantage, but I'm also not seeing really any feminist attempts to defend it either.
The Male rape situation comes from the same prejudice that says a man can't cry or show weakness. Those things are "Woman" things and no self-respecting man can be caught being in any way "Womanly" right? That's why so few male rape victims report being raped. That's probably one of the most terrible things that can happen to anyone, and being that vulnerable coupled with the fact that society and pop culture has told us rape is a thing that happens to "Women" shows that admitting to being raped isn't "Manly" and anything that isn't "Manly" must be "Feminine" and therefore "bad" for a man to admit happened to them.
There are other factors too obviously, like the overbearing, yet still very false narrative in society that all men love sex, and therefore no sex between a man and his preferred type of partner can be considered "Rape"…. but even THAT is tied in with misogyny to a degree because it's based on the same stereotype that applauds men for their sexuality ("Man, you got 3 different hotties this week?! You player you!") While attacking women for theirs ("Oh wow, she's been with 3 different guys this WEEK! What a SLUT!")My point is, these things are inescapably tied together and you can't truly fight for equality while marginalizing the other side, and my problem with "Men's Rights Activists" is that they appear overwhelmingly focused on attacking feminists and feminism rather than focusing on fixing any of these issues.
Just the fact that I can name prominent self-identified feminists in this day and age who DON'T engage in man-bashing to make their points proves this:
Barrack and Michelle Obama, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Ellen Degeneres, Laverne Cox, the list goes on.
Meanwhile, even researching this, I can't find ONE "Men's Rights Activist" who hasn't spent a good deal of time attacking feminists, feminism, or women as a whole.
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http://nsnbc.me/2016/11/10/trump-to-designate-muslim-brotherhood-as-terrorist-organization/
I wonder if this will lead to his goons investigating Hillary more because of Huma's father being a high ranked member.
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I thought he was banned from tweeting. Or had his phone taken away.
That was before the election.
That's right, they banned him from Twitter in the final days of the campaign right before election day. … not sure how soon it was around the FBI Coney's ploy of "EMAILS!... opps nothing". was pulled. They didn't want Trump to make more incendiary comments on twitter that could harm him. Now that the election day is over.... yeah he's back on.
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@Monkey:
On the war crimes? Or supporting the genocidal dictator. Which of these options is the one you're into here.
Which have been done by pretty much every single party involved in the conflict. Including the ones that received weapons from the US.
I see you're unfamiliar with this war!
There is zero solution in reality that involves Assad staying. There will never be an end to the violence as long as he rules. He has ensured that.
He´s not leaving while being supported by Russia. So what´s the solution for you?
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This is not what gender equality means. I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that supression needs to happen. That would make it unbalanced again.
Also hi I have a masters in IT.
The STEM fields can still be toxic for women. You get people who flat out are disrespectful to any woman. At a data center I was at there were plenty of times I and the 4 other women there were talked down to. Purposely disregarded. Or when we got new batches of people they'd immediately treat us (people had been there longer) like we didn't know what we were doing.
Being a security guard was worse those. Pretty much any job where it was typically a "man's job" is teeth grindingly frustrating.
I think since you're answering with pictures I'll slap this one down.
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The advancement of minorities (shortest dude getting 2 boxes) is to help them gain the same rights as everyone else.
See picture above.
People are advocating for gender equity, which is suppression.
I thought he was banned from tweeting. Or had his phone taken away.
He apparently got it back shortly after the election.
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Fair enough. That helps provide justice for rape victims (in California), but there still isn't much in the way of services for men (such as counseling). Those services do generally exclude men because female victims can be triggered by the presence of a man during therapy.
For the state of California, or general? Because I know for the shelter I work at (this is in Iowa), we give services and provide housing to victims regardless of gender (and of course, if there's anyone triggered by the presence of a male, we work with that).
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He´s not leaving while being supported by Russia. So what´s the solution for you?
Pushing back Russia and pressuring them to lower/drop their support would've helped. Probably not happening under a Trump presidency though
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Well, it's been a disappointing week and I think the return of Dave Chappelle is just what we needed.
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@White:
http://nsnbc.me/2016/11/10/trump-to-designate-muslim-brotherhood-as-terrorist-organization/
I wonder if this will lead to his goons investigating Hillary more because of Huma's father being a high ranked member.
Finally. What a sane to move. But some questions come to mind. Asshole Erdogan is from the brotherhood as well as all his party, is Turkey going to be sanctioned or what? What about governments and regimes that support the Brotherhood, like Qatar? And Tunisia?
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See, this is part of the problem. More men are raped in the US every year than women, and we should really do more about rapes by and of both genders.
If you're going to be a hawk on misleading data then you can't post things like this and expect people to believe you, man. Look at the very first paragraph of this article from…the Daily Mail.
@Daily:
More men are raped in the U.S. than woman, according to figures that include sexual abuse in prisons.
In 2008, it was estimated 216,000 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time, according to the Department of Justice figures.
That is compared to 90,479 rape cases outside of prison.
Notice the difference between the words "sexual assault" and "rape"? Because when you actually notice the difference you'll wonder how many men were victims of "rape". Well, they're getting their numbers from the DoJ, right? Take a look at what the DoJ says: http://ojp.gov/programs/pdfs/prea_nprm_iria.pdf
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We conclude that in 2008 there were at least 69,800 inmates who were raped under conditions involving force or threat of force, and more than 216,600 total victims of sexual abuse, in America’s prisons, jails, and juvenile detention centers.
Notice the additional data? What the Daily Mail (a bastion of excellent journalism) did was leave out the first number and hope people would look at "216,000" and go, 'Well, that says everything!' No, but it doesn't. It also doesn't differentiate between male and female victims. Those numbers were the totals of our entire prison population in 2008, not accounting for male or female, in regards to victims of sexual assault and rape, but I will say it's obvious most of the population of our jails consist of men.
Now, look at the second number the article cites of 90,479 reported rapes outside of prison. Those are also DoJ numbers from 2008. Bafflingly, the Daily Mail puts a nail in its own coffin by citing the DoJ which says that 91 percent of victims of rape and sexual assault are women. They're right about that according to statistics.
The DoJ figures can be found here in this report: http://www.calcasa.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/CALCASA-2008-Statistics-Report111.pdf
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@Department:
According to the U.S. Department of Justice, an estimated 91% of the victims of rape and sexual assault are female and 9% are male.
So what is the Daily Mail doing here? I'm glad they're getting their numbers all from one reliable source (The DoJ) but that source is also proving them very wrong. The Daily Mail rightly shows that the vast majority of rapes happen outside of prison which women are mostly the victim of but wrongly concludes that because there are 216,000 estimated sexual assaults in prison that's proof men are raped more. Because what? Does that make sense to you? No? It doesn't to me either. Because another thing they're trying so hard to omit is, if they're factoring into the equation the sexual abuse in prison why aren't they also doing that for outside of prison? The only number which they factored outside of prison was the number of rapes which, again, they proved women are mostly the victim of by a large margin, but how many men and women are victims of sexual assault outside of prison? I shouldn't have to show you that the trend of women being the more likely victims of rape also continues with sexual assault.
But I will anyway because then you posted another misleading article which blows up on itself. In reference to this comment here:
That's a series of talking points, not actual evidence. The numbers are also off.
Ignoring the obvious slight against the "feminist narrative" from the article, if we just take a look at the data she herself is citing, she is also proving herself wrong. The point of her whole article is that if we're going to include sexual assault, coercion, and even unwanted touching in the broader definition of rape (there's a point to be made for some of that) then men are victimized at the same levels as women. Which is fucking horrible and untrue.
First, let's just get this out of the way. She cited 2011 CDC data to prove her point. This is what the 2011 data says: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm
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An estimated 43.9% of women experienced sexual violence other than rape during their lifetimes, and an estimated 5.5% of women were victims of sexual violence other than rape in the 12 months preceding the survey. For men, an estimated 23.4% experienced sexual violence other than rape during their lifetimes, and 5.1% experienced sexual violence other than rape in the 12 months before completing the survey.
So even when you include sexual crime "other than" rape into the category of rape women are still victimized more because, duh! What she's really trying to prove though is incidents involving men within the last 12 months "being made to penetrate" is equal with that of women reporting rape withing the last 12 months. She references both a 2010 and the 2011 CDC article to make that point.
Here's the 2010 data also referenced in the article: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf
It's true that within the last 12 months men being "made to penetrate" is about even with women who reported to being raped, but under that same category of "Other Sexaul Violence" here are the total percentages for both men and women (this includes 'Made to Penetrate', 'Sexual Coercion', 'Unwanted Sexual Contact', & 'Non-Contact Unwanted Sexual Experiences').
2010
Women: 5.6%
Men: 5.3%2011
Women: 5.5%
Men: 5.1%Now go further and look beyond 12 months and take into lifetime, and you'll see the forest from the trees.
2010
Women: 44.6%
Men: 22.2%2011
Women: 43.9%
Men: 23.4%So the point she's trying to make that men are victimized as much as women is a complete false equivalency no matter how much one tries to cherrypick the numbers.
In summation:
1. Women are more frequently and in greater number the victims of sexual assault and/or rape.
2. Sexual assault numbers will always be higher than rape numbers.
3. I wish there was a Snopes article to have done all this research for me because now I feel icky,
4. Sensationalist headlines fall apart when you actually do a little research.
5. Men are victims of sexual assault and rape and no one here has argued otherwise. This post is not to argue otherwise. I only posted to show that the information you posted was wrong. Very wrong.Everything's Eventual…
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I'm at work so I can't watch the video with Audio, but I watched it with YTs Closed Captioning on and it appears to just be some people debating the banning of a Pro-MRA propaganda film.
Researching the actual film, It's not hard to find that It IS just propaganda trying to paint a misogynsit group in a nicer light. [url=http://www.villagevoice.com/film/warning-you-cant-unsee-the-red-pill-the-documentary-about-a-filmmaker-who-learns-to-love-mras-9172459
]Here's an article that just about sums it up.For the TL;DR folks out there who don't want to read the whole article, I can sum up the evidence right now:
The film in question, called "The Red Pill" isn't about typical "MRAs" but is specifically about Red-Pillers who are a Male Supremacy group.
The biggest thing showing this is that the doc's biggest voice they interview is a guy named Paul Elam from a site called "A Voice for Men", and while they CONVENIENTLY leave this out in the documentary, he's been quoted saying the following:
@Paul Elam:
“Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.”
And This guy is the star witness of the thing.
So… No, I don't see the point you were trying to make by posting that video.
People are advocating for gender equity, which is suppression.
You need to explain what you mean. I think this comes from maybe you have a different definition for "Equity" than the rest of us, but rather than explain that definition, You quoted a post where Femme posits an entirely reasonable definition of "Equality" Vs "Equity" that looks perfectly fair and reasonable. It shows 3 kids who all get an equal amount of visibility via "Equity" while the shorter ones still get shafted by "Equality".
You respond by basically saying "No, Equity IS suppression" without explaining what you mean or posting any kind of source or information to back up your claim.
This is the equivalent of meeting a well-reasoned argument with "Nuh-uh".
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Are the red pillers the same as pick up artists? Or is that an unrelated branch of stupid.
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red pillers can be any sort of truthers really?
I might be wrong but the idea is to enlighten someone you perceive ignorant about some random topic, which can be male - female relationship, so pick up artists and people trying to redpill about the other gender sorta fits together.
Although the "art" of picking up women doesn't need to take root in some sort of pseudo-philosophy and can often just be some dude trying to take advantage of some gullible and naive chick.
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Are the red pillers the same as pick up artists? Or is that an unrelated branch of stupid.
There's some overlap but not exactly. Pick-Up artists typically see women as objects and basically just want to get in our pants and have horrible "Techniques" and plans to do so… but it doesn't speak to what their philosophy to women as a whole are. For example, they may have at least some higher level of respect for any women who they don't see as potential conquests, however little it might be. It might be better to say they don't CARE about what other women do. They aren't interested in the position of women in society as a whole as long as they can go after women they're attracted to and, as I'm sure they hope, bed them easier. It's very sex-dominated.
Red Pillers subscribe to an entire philosophy about where Women "Should" exist on the social totem pole. The idea is that, In the 50s and earlier, society had things right. Women aren't supposed to be treated as "Equal" or "People", we're supposed to be treated as baby machines and doting, submissive wives at the beck-and-call of our husbands. These nuts treat a woman's worth as directly proportional to how subservient we can be.
So yeah, TL;DR version is:
Pick Up Artists don't necessarily care about society's overall treatment of women any further than it relates to what they can do to get in bed with women as easily as possible, while Red Pillers full on want to change society. Again, with obvious overlap.Switch Friend Code: SW-1795-2519-1884 • Click Here to check out my Twitch Channel
