Do you guys really think Law has enough stamina left to cut a large, cage-like structure the size of a metropolitan city? (I'm assuming Dressrosa is about that size) I mean, he probably does, but he's practically a rag-doll right now. And if my interpretation of his Fruit's correct, those things are gonna keep moving, even if they're separated.
Chapter 788: "My Fight"
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Do you guys really think Law has enough stamina left to cut a large, cage-like structure the size of a metropolitan city? (I'm assuming Dressrosa is about that size) I mean, he probably does, but he's practically a rag-doll right now. And if my interpretation of his Fruit's correct, those things are gonna keep moving, even if they're separated.
I think the better question would be why would law use what ever last bit of power he has to save people he don't care about .
When he can save it for don or use it on luffy . -
@Mr.:
I see what you did there. And I would be very surprised if we got such an unlikely reveal.
Evitently not. Birdcage > any change in gravity, which suggests Birdcage > the basic laws of physics
Which is concrete proof that Birdcage > Seastone.
Remember, the only reason Birdcage is not cutting the Seastone is that Seastone has the unique property of nullifying DF Powers, though apparently not enough to actually get rid of the strings.
At what point was that 'reason' stated in the manga?
the Birdcage is just ridiculous, Dofla could have litterally dropped it on the bay of Marineford, when the Whitebeard pirates showed up ,and they could have done nothing about it…
he doesn't even need to stay inside of it since he can simply make it pop out of a string clone, nullifying the only possible downside of that damn thing
That's a good guess your making, but I highly doubt it would work on the worlds strongest man at that point who had the power of earthquakes. There was also a swordsman capable of challenging Mihawk who might give a good shot at it. Along with a Phoenix human that could allow himself to go through it presumably then heal afterwards. Just sayin
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you do know when Gatz and them said they were buying time that was before don made the bird cage start to close in faster .
Also i ask again how would sai and them even know to buy time in the first place or how much they would need.Simple Sai or someone else of the strong fighters form a plan B. Plan A is to try and stop the cage. Plan B is some of the colloseum fighters go and see if luffy needs some help as the birdcage is almost crushing everyone. At least go and see if Luffy needs help or why he takes so long. That would be something i expect Dagama to come with. And Dagama is up see chapter 787 page 16. So…
They were not there when Gatz came up with the plan , Rebecca attacking don just mean she stupid like usual .
No no and no! Rebecca seems to be the only one who thought about the plan B.
"What if the birdcage can't be stopped…" Why did noone besides her get this!The gladiators were trying to stop don from finding and getting to luffy it was not to stop the cage .
Them trying to stop don had nothing to do with the cage and all about saving luffy , the cage is moving faster no matter what they do .The setup is simple. Some strong fighters go and check why luffy needs so much time to finish doffy and try to help while everyone else slows down the cage, The first group see doffy alone and attack. They won't know that luffy is currently resting and they don't need to know that. What they will do is essentially stalling doffy. With them down luffy might step in and finish luffy. They will have unknowingly bought time. They will at least be more effectve than the weaker gladiators.
Or you could have all the colosseum fighters push the cage whereas viola rebecca and riku attack doffy to buy time or take him down. Now it's only viola alone… How effective is this setup...
In the last chapter people were screaming for king riku to save them as the cage contracted faster. Even the citizen wish him to do something. Yet he is still sitting around doing nothing.
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cmon gravity fruit , he could just lift the whole ground under the birdcage .
beside that his power must be really cool , wonder if he can create a black hole ,or use some moves like centripetal or centrifugal gravity circling his opponents head with his hands and applying the power , boom … ( another fruit going to waste while mr strings have it all , but oh well whats the point in complaining we are close to the end of the arc )
Pulling/pushing the strings with his gravity, levitate it upwards. There's a lot of possibilities that seem much better than just pushing the strings with his sword.
This goes back to my original point. I don't think Fujitora's fruit can do the things people are assuming it can. I don't think Fujitora could go all Sokovia on Dressrosa. Powerful as he is we haven't seen anything on that scale outside of meteor strikes.
Putting aside we already have potential black holes with the Dark Dark Fruit, if Fujitora could do that there would still be the issue of collateral damage and loss of life. Especially in the confined area the Birdcage has become. Black holes aren't minor things. The former may be a moot point by now but the latter would be unacceptable to Fujitora.
As for pushing things around, again, not sure that's in the scope of his powers. I'll admit my memory of his early actions is sketchier than I'd like, but his powers so far seem to be increasing or removing gravity from objects or the area. Reversing gravity is a logical extension of that and we've seen it (or something close to it) in levitating rocks. But I don't think that extends to pushing things sideways unless he makes himself a center of gravity and acts off that (or if I'm forgetting something again, like I said my memory with him isn't as good as I'd like it to be).
I can't think of a strong use for gravity powers in the current scenario and options like the above I've seen seem either too large scale for what we've seen, present an unacceptable (to Fujitora) risk, or feel someone somewhere should be saying "gravity does not work that way."
I mean no disrespect or anything, in case I come off that way. It's just a lot of comments seem like they're expecting more out of Fujitora than he's equipped to deliver.
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So are we all in agreement here that A: this arc has dragged on way too long, B: this shit is really boring now, and C: all these stupid haki powers have gotten way out of control? That the general consensus around here? Cause hot damn, this arc needs to wrap up like.. two months ago.
And I always hated haki for this reason. I knew it would be a slippery slope to batshit dumb powers. Welp, here you have 'em now. I can't remember being this let down and bored with One Piece in a long time.
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At what point was that 'reason' stated in the manga?
That's a good guess your making, but I highly doubt it would work on the worlds strongest man at that point who had the power of earthquakes. There was also a swordsman capable of challenging Mihawk who might give a good shot at it. Along with a Phoenix human that could allow himself to go through it presumably then heal afterwards. Just sayin
and yet the cage is holding up just fine even against, an admiral, half of the strawhat crew, 2 samurai, an army of tontattas, a crap load of powerfull gladiators, the crew of a marine battleship, and the countless citizens of an entire country
all of them pushing against it, and barely able to keep it from shrinking
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I mean no disrespect or anything, in case I come off that way. It's just a lot of comments seem like they're expecting more out of Fujitora than he's equipped to deliver.
My reply has nothing to do with fujitoras power but:
Fujitora could have done what zoro and the rest do right now. Zoro even has to tell the marines what they need to do. As a military leader Fujitora is looking really incompetent right now?
What a lot of people complain right now is that all those elite fighters giving all they have only to stop the birdcage for 1 second makes the birdcage a hax device. An admiral alone should be a monster and yet the birdcage is so much stronger.
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I wonder how much the words of Fujitora count: 'Let's see if my old bones still have strength in them'. So age did get to him, wonder how strong he was young if even old he can become admiral.
I imagine he got the DF later, so with this power he is still around the best he can be?( if he din't have the fruits since young age)
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I'm hoping Luffy uses a new attack to finish off Doflamingo, if he goes into Poundman and does the same crap I'll be disappointed.
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@uniaka:
I wonder how much the words of Fujitora count: 'Let's see if my old bones still have strength in them'. So age did get to him, wonder how strong he was young if even old he can become admiral.
I imagine he got the DF later, so with this power he is still around the best he can be?
I don't think fujitora is that old. At least not as old as whitebeard was making him ill or whatever. He should be around 50 which still makes him a beast. If i recall correctly Oda said in an interview or sbs that he likes middle aged guys to still be strong.
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The setup is simple. Some strong fighters go and check why luffy needs so much time to finish doffy and try to help while everyone else slows down the cage, The first group see doffy alone and attack. They won't know that luffy is currently resting and they don't need to know that. What they will do is essentially stalling doffy. With them down luffy might step in and finish luffy. They will have unknowingly bought time. They will at least be more effectve than the weaker gladiators.
Or you could have all the colosseum fighters push the cage whereas viola rebecca and riku attack doffy to buy time or take him down. Now it's only viola alone… How effective is this setup...
In the last chapter people were screaming for king riku to save them as the cage contracted faster. Even the citizen wish him to do something. Yet he is still sitting around doing nothing.
But them stalling don does not slow down the bird cage .
Okay lets say they go into two groups one group goes to slow down cage the other to stall don from finding luffy .
The first group slow the cage down and other group find don and stop him from finding luffy faster .
The second group is of no help in buying time from stopping the cage so that mean luffy has even less time to recover .I might be getting this wrong but are you thinking that fighting don slows down the cage ?
TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
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At what point was that 'reason' stated in the manga?
Oh, thanks for the correction. Seems I assumed something that wasn't backed up in the manga.
"As far as we know", Seastone does not directly nullify DF attacks. Rather, it might be a question of the density, mass, or simply the thickness of the Seastone in question. In that case, the toughness of the factory's Seastone is just strong enough to not be cut by Birdcage whereas the small chains could by cut by Law
I mean no disrespect or anything, in case I come off that way. It's just a lot of comments seem like they're expecting more out of Fujitora than he's equipped to deliver.
Good point there. Lots we don't know about Fujitora's powers.
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I could accept the explanation of everybody slowing the birdcage down instead of fighting dofla if doflamingo would be f.e fighting someplace which is hard for everybody to reach, in example in the sky etc.
But at the moment he isnt even having any opponent (besides viola lol) and he's, like, standing there in the middle of town. And so everybody, strong or weak, decide to turn their backs to him and start pushing the cage instead??
Its like if there would be some shithead kid smashing your windows one by one with baseball-bat and everything you would do is to follow him and clean the shards from the ground :D
This stuff is really simple guy. The revived Gladiators are on the other side of town. The ones close to DD got impaled and are dead. No one else thinks they have a chance against DD so they're contributing to the effort of stopping the cage instead.
Viola has been tracking DD, like you she knows he's weak.
The one person who could've been there but isn't is Cavendish..y did law teleport down alone.
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But them stalling don does not slow down the bird cage .
Okay lets say they go into two groups one group goes to slow down cage the other to stall don from finding luffy .
The first group slow the cage down and other group find don and stop him from finding luffy faster .
The second group is of no help in buying time from stopping the cage so that mean luffy has even less time to recover .Right now if everything happens according to what we know rebecca and violet should die in like a few seconds. They are not a match at all. So basically that means doffy is still theoretically free to make the birdcage contract faster.
What i was thinking about is that second group being effective in stalling doffy so that he can't find luffy on time. I don't see how violet and/or rebecca can even remotely do that. Still less guys would have been down if that second group took care of doflamingo. The gladiators doffy took out could have lend their power to carry wounded around or pushing the cage.
The group around bartho doesn't know if luffy lost against doflamingo or not. Yet the cage is still up. Why not check what's taking luffy so long? -
Viola, Bartholomew and Cavendish for Nakama, triple whammy. Since the Arc has dragged we need to be rewarded with more crewmates! (Hoping Monet makes an appearance and cries over Doffy's defeat and then joins SH) though if two females join the crew we'll lose Sanji to cardiac arrest.
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Maybe it's time to revive an old debate…or not!
Is this haki ?
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I do think Fuji could probably be doing more, but we don't exactly know the extent of his powers. Does he change the level of gravity relative to the Earth's gravitational pull? Does it extend to other objects, i.e. the meteor? He could've decreased the meteor's pull on Earth, making the Earth's gravitational pull able to pull the meteor down. Speaking of which, where the hell did he pull that meteor from? It had to be in orbit or something. Actually, I'm really excited to learn more about his powers now, haha.
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My reply has nothing to do with fujitoras power but:
Fujitora could have done what zoro and the rest do right now. Zoro even has to tell the marines what they need to do. As a military leader Fujitora is looking really incompetent right now?
What a lot of people complain right now is that all those elite fighters giving all they have only to stop the birdcage for 1 second makes the birdcage a hax device. An admiral alone should be a monster and yet the birdcage is so much stronger.
That I can agree with. The biggest part, add someone earlier pointed out, being that all these guys have to put in all this effort for something Doffy isn't even actively paying attention to.
In fairness to the incompetence thing, Zoro was literally the only person to even consider stopping the birdcage, so I wouldn't call that a reflection on Fujitora's competence as much as Zoro's tenacity.
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Are you sure about it? Sabo and Burgess are fighting each other, even though they risk to die from the bird cage. Really, this is really getting more stupid as time passes. So, Don Chinjao, Sai who are both capable to open a continent, the wonderful Sabo, the amazing Burgess, Zoro and a fucking admiral cannot do anything to the birdcage. Even the smallest, tiniest or infinitesimal thing. Wow, just wow.
And why don't mansherry's powers and tears reach or touch any of the doflamingo's family members?
Very, very, very disappointed by these last parts of this arc.Burges does not give a shit..remember this is the guy who sailed the goddamn Grandline on a fucking raft.
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Right now if everything happens according to what we know rebecca and violet should die in like a few seconds. They are not a match at all. So basically that means doffy is still theoretically free to make the birdcage contract faster.
What i was thinking about is that second group being effective in stalling doffy so that he can't find luffy on time. I don't see how violet and/or rebecca can even remotely do that. Still less guys would have been down if that second group took care of doflamingo. The gladiators doffy took out could have lend their power to carry wounded around or pushing the cage.
The group around bartho doesn't know if luffy lost against doflamingo or not. Yet the cage is still up. Why not check what's taking luffy so long?Even checking on what is taking luffy so long is a waste of time since the cage is moving faster .
Also since they are stronger than most they have better chance of slowing the cage.
Time is running out on luffy because don is closing the cage faster , fighting him or staling him not going to change that .
Right now luffy has two problems don finding him ( which law should be able to take care off) and the cage moving in faster .
The cage moving in faster is the bigger problem since don don't have to find him to kill him and he has even less time to recover .Rebecca and her aunt being idiots but there nothing you can do about that .
EDIT it comes down to this the gladiators feel they have a better chance at slowing down the cage than beating don even if he hurt.
TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
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Maybe it's time to revive an old debate…or not!
Is this haki ?
I'm a little curious if we'll see another DF attack next chapter. Conisdering how outright bizarre it is for her DF to even have attacking abilities to begin with, I'm curious to find out if she has more crazy powers left to show.
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i mean c'mon guys, its clear why Viola and Rebecca are stopping Doffy and someone like zorro and kyros doing other shit… the answer probably... Boobs!
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Even checking on what is taking luffy so long is a waste of time since the cage is moving faster .
Also since they are stronger than most they have better chance of slowing the cage.
Time is running out on luffy because don is closing the cage faster , fighting him or staling him not going to change that .
Right now luffy has two problems don finding him ( which law should be able to take care off) and the cage moving in faster .
The cage moving in faster is the bigger problem since don don't have to find him to kill him and he has even less time to recover .Rebecca and her aunt being idiots but there nothing you can do about that .
EDIT it comes down to this the gladiators feel they have a better chance at slowing down the cage than beating don even if he hurt.
Now consider this; They all try to stop the cage, it doesn't work and the cage shrinks shrinks and suddenly doflamingo slashes them all from behind. Because noone checked if luffy was taken out and all of them blindly went to try stopping the cage. Doflamingo could even use parasite on them as they won't face him.
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This arc is long but this is a normally paced climax.
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Okay, I think that Viola has the potential to be some kind of badass . I enjoyed Fujitora helping out and Princess Mansherry being useful with her temporary heals. Man, I enjoyed that brief God Ussop moment . Make what you will about this chapter I enjoyed it for what it is .
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Fujitora could have done what zoro and the rest do right now. Zoro even has to tell the marines what they need to do. As a military leader Fujitora is looking really incompetent right now?
Zoro didn't tell the Marines anything.
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The setup is simple. Some strong fighters go and check why luffy needs so much time to finish doffy and try to help while everyone else slows down the cage, The first group see doffy alone and attack. They won't know that luffy is currently resting and they don't need to know that. What they will do is essentially stalling doffy. With them down luffy might step in and finish luffy. They will have unknowingly bought time. They will at least be more effectve than the weaker gladiators.
Fighting Doula wouldn't slow down the cage.
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Zoro didn't tell the Marines anything.
You're right i got the impression it was zoro saying the marines without haki should help pushing the factory. Well it still doesn't help Fujis case if we don't see him directly commanding his troops for a while. We have to guess he told them to step in.
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@Mr.:
I'm a little curious if we'll see another DF attack next chapter. Conisdering how outright bizarre it is for her DF to even have attacking abilities to begin with, I'm curious to find out if she has more crazy powers left to show.
Whale tears. I forgot that was a thing.
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Well, this chapter exists.
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Fighting Doula wouldn't slow down the cage.
Oda could have made it work. The birdcage slowed by fuji and half of the colosseum fighters while the rest fight doffy (better than the weaker gladiators). That would still make the birdcage a hax device but it will help more. The birdcage would have been slowed and doffy would have been effectively occupied.
Hell Oda could have made the birdcage stopped with the dwarves Franky zoro kinemon and Kanjuro and Fuji. Or whthout fuji they would have slowed the cage a bit and he steps in to make it stop.
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Now consider this; They all try to stop the cage, it doesn't work and the cage shrinks shrinks and suddenly doflamingo slashes them all from behind. Because noone checked if luffy was taken out and all of them blindly went to try stopping the cage. Doflamingo could even use parasite on them as they won't face him.
It does not make any sense to consider that .
Most of them have no chance to beating him and they also have to worry about the healing powers running out .
If they don't stop cage from shrinking the people they want to save and they also will die .
Plus bart who might stand a chance going to believe in luffy and zoro to the end lol.For the gladiators it stop the problem at hand while they have time than worry about something that can happen since don can appear at any part of the cage .
Hell don is sick enough to just stand or fly above and watch all of them strugle as they die .
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Oda could have made it work. The birdcage slowed by fuji and half of the colosseum fighters while the rest fight doffy (better than the weaker gladiators). That would still make the birdcage a hax device but it will help more. The birdcage would have been slowed and doffy would have been effectively occupied.
They wouldn't have stood a chance. Remember how easily Doula almost killed Kyros, who is one of the stronger characters in the island.
And the Birdcage only stopped when everybody started pushing, so a few gladiators would have made a difference.
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I just remembered. Luffy slept for like 10 minutes before his final fight vs Crocodile and woke up focused as ever. Had he exausted his haki like he's now?
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They wouldn't have stood a chance. Remember how easily Doula almost killed Kyros, who is one of the stronger characters in the island.
Yet if they tried they would have got lucky with doffys current state.
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This goes back to my original point. I don't think Fujitora's fruit can do the things people are assuming it can. I don't think Fujitora could go all Sokovia on Dressrosa. Powerful as he is we haven't seen anything on that scale outside of meteor strikes.
Putting aside we already have potential black holes with the Dark Dark Fruit, if Fujitora could do that there would still be the issue of collateral damage and loss of life. Especially in the confined area the Birdcage has become. Black holes aren't minor things. The former may be a moot point by now but the latter would be unacceptable to Fujitora.
Why would black holes be needed though? That would only make the birdcage to be even more overpowered. The yami yami no mi is pretty much a different version of Fuji's fruit already since a black hole is pretty much extreme gravity.
As for pushing things around, again, not sure that's in the scope of his powers. I'll admit my memory of his early actions is sketchier than I'd like, but his powers so far seem to be increasing or removing gravity from objects or the area. Reversing gravity is a logical extension of that and we've seen it (or something close to it) in levitating rocks. But I don't think that extends to pushing things sideways unless he makes himself a center of gravity and acts off that (or if I'm forgetting something again, like I said my memory with him isn't as good as I'd like it to be).
If your thoughts on his abilities are correct and he can increase/decrease the gravity of an object then why not the gravity of the strings or the cage which are objects as well?
I can't think of a strong use for gravity powers in the current scenario and options like the above I've seen seem either too large scale for what we've seen, present an unacceptable (to Fujitora) risk, or feel someone somewhere should be saying "gravity does not work that way."
I mean no disrespect or anything, in case I come off that way. It's just a lot of comments seem like they're expecting more out of Fujitora than he's equipped to deliver.
Gravity is in fact a simple force, simple enough that it's not unreasonable to think he can do such things. The birdcage itself is the anomaly here. A plot armored object that can pretty much resist anything that's thrown at it.
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Fighting Doula wouldn't slow down the cage.
Are you serious? Then why luffy needs to fight and defeat Doula to stop the cage? Do you mean, if by any chance, an admiral, zoro, sai, prodence king, bartoromeo, cavendish would team up like they are doing it right now but instead of pushing strings, try to lend some hits on a half dead Doula wouldn't stop the cage?
I don't know why people are thinking that most of us are complaining about the pace. We are not. We are complaining about the most destructive power that we've seen so far in "One Piece". I mean, the most powerful man alive was supposed to be WhiteBeard with his fruit which creates things that are intangible, earthquakes. And even then we saw the admirals stopping one of his earthquakes. But now, we have something physical, all this people could even scratch it?
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Yet if they tried they would have got lucky with doffys current state.
Why you guys use that line every time is beyond me. We don't have a fresh doffy right now. And the colloseum fighters are temporary back in the game.Getting lucky is not a good argument.
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@Miss:
So are we all in agreement here that A: this arc has dragged on way too long, B: this shit is really boring now, and C: all these stupid haki powers have gotten way out of control? That the general consensus around here? Cause hot damn, this arc needs to wrap up like.. two months ago.
And I always hated haki for this reason. I knew it would be a slippery slope to batshit dumb powers. Welp, here you have 'em now. I can't remember being this let down and bored with One Piece in a long time.
A) for a week by week type of reading , yes i agree , but if you read the whole arc in one go , the only annoying parts are the one with rebecca at the colosseum , and those last chapters where everyone tries to come up with the dumbest solution to stop birdcage
B) yes , but this chapter was necessary , the arc is already messed up so Oda shouldn't mess it even more
C) totally agree with you on that one , i was one of the big detractors back at the time , creating some drawbacks to powerful logias was a better option ( for me , but there is that will thing and oda probably was thinking of that since rogue town )
This stuff is really simple guy. The revived Gladiators are on the other side of town. The ones close to DD got impaled and are dead. No one else thinks they have a chance against DD so they're contributing to the effort of stopping the cage instead.
Viola has been tracking DD, like you she knows he's weak.
The one person who could've been there but isn't is Cavendish..y did law teleport down alone.
ah Cavendish , i have a feeling that we will see him next chapter when viola will be nearly slaughtered , and hop he saves the day :D
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Getting lucky is not a good argument.
It's not about a good argument. It's about an alternative scenario where doflamingo wouldn't have faced useless guys and where everyone would have been put to better use. The alternative scenario lessen the power of the birdcage thus liberating all the colosseum fighters from the plot task to stop it.
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It's not about a good argument. It's about an alternative scenario where doflamingo wouldn't have faced useless guys and where everyone would have been put to better use. The alternative scenario lessen the power of the birdcage thus liberating all the colosseum fighters from the plot task to stop it.
Well you can come up with many alternative scenarios for it to not even get this far .
C) totally agree with you on that one , i was one of the big detractors back at the time , creating some drawbacks to powerful logias was a better option ( for me , but there is that will thing and oda probably was thinking of that since rogue town )
Well it hard to have draw backs when you characters are ice , light , lava , fire etc etc .
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For once I could use a map of where everyone is relative to the birdcage because I'm completely lost spatially as to where everyone is.
There are three points of stoppage: the factory in the west, Barto's barrier to the southeast near the palace, and the Haki group either to the north or possibly the south. At the factory are Franky and most of the dwarves. The east has almost everyone who assaulted the terraced plateau except for Cabbage, Law, Kyros, and Rebecca. Leo and Robin are there too. Zoro, Kin'emon, Kanjuro, and Fujitora are at the other point; Zoro directs the marines who can use CoA to help there and those who can't to go to one of the other two locations. Hack and Usopp are wandering around, I think, getting people to help push at the west or east. Mancherry and Kabu are flying around above, probably near the edges, reviving people. Violet and Rebecca are confronting Doffy in a clearing near the center of the city while Gatz escapes; Sabo and Burgess should be fighting nearvy. Last we saw Kyros he was helping citizens up the plateau, because it's safer up there for some reason. Law, Luffy, and Cavendish have their locations currently unknown.
But yes, a map would help.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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Are you serious? Then why luffy needs to fight and defeat Doula to stop the cage? Do you mean, if by any chance, an admiral, zoro, sai, prodence king, bartoromeo, cavendish would team up like they are doing it right now but instead of pushing strings, try to lend some hits on a half dead Doula wouldn't stop the cage?
Doula would just defeat them like the gladiators that just fell. Remember, he didn't need much effort to defeat Sanji, who's stronger than everyone you listed but Zoro and Fujitora. Now that he is spamming his Awakening, people can't even get close to him.
Fujitora is the only other person that could do something, but he has his reasons to not attack Doula.
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and yet the cage is holding up just fine even against, an admiral, half of the strawhat crew, 2 samurai, an army of tontattas, a crap load of powerfull gladiators, the crew of a marine battleship, and the countless citizens of an entire country
all of them pushing against it, and barely able to keep it from shrinking
I'm not sure what point your trying to get at but I will say the varying degrees of health and stamina for all within the birdcage isn't at their peak. It's a temporary boost that they just started to receive, which stopped incredibly strong strings for a second. Would you prefer that all of them together didn't make an impact?
If you were to argue what combined force is stronger, that of everyone on dressrosa or whitebeards crew, I think it'd all just end in semantics. All we can say for sure when it comes to strength is that white beard was the strongest man in the world and Marco was powerful enough to be desired by shanks.
I personally would put the combined power of the Whitebeard Crew above that of those on dressrosa, that's just my humble opinion though.
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There are three points of stoppage: the factory in the west, Barto's barrier to the southeast near the palace, and the Haki group either to the north or possibly the south. At the factory are Franky and most of the dwarves. The east has almost everyone who assaulted the terraced plateau except for Cabbage, Law, Kyros, and Rebecca. Leo and Robin are there too. Zoro, Kin'emon, Kanjuro, and Fujitora are at the other point; Zoro directs the marines who can use CoA to help there and those who can't to go to one of the other two locations. Hack and Usopp are wandering around, I think, getting people to help push at the west or east. Mancherry and Kabu are flying around above, probably near the edges, reviving people. Violet and Rebecca are confronting Doffy in a clearing near the center of the city while Gatz escapes; Sabo and Burgess should be fighting nearvy. Last we saw Kyros he was helping citizens up the plateau, because it's safer up there for some reason. Law, Luffy, and Cavendish have their locations currently unknown.
But yes, a map would help.
Well there is a little map in conner of certain pages
TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
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It's not about a good argument. It's about an alternative scenario where doflamingo wouldn't have faced useless guys and where everyone would have been put to better use. The alternative scenario lessen the power of the birdcage thus liberating all the colosseum fighters from the plot task to stop it.
This argument makes no sense. What's the point of this alternative scenario?
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Doula would just defeat them like the gladiators that just fell. Remember, he didn't need much effort to defeat Sanji. Now that he is spamming his Awakening, people can't even get close to him.
Fujitora is the only other person that could do something, but he has his reasons to not attack Doula.
You're overestimating doflamingos current state. He spams his awakening but you only need to be fast enough to dodge the strings. Something hakuba could make. Don chinjao could also use CoO to dodge the strings. Bartho could protect them all with barriers left and right while they try to touch doffy,
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This argument makes no sense. What's the point of this alternative scenario?
What about making the birdcage not an over hax device and use the strength of the colosseum fighters against doffy instead of fodder gladiators don't you get? And what about making someone more competent face doffy rather than rebecca and or viola?
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You're overestimating doflamingos current state. He spams his awakening but you only need to be fast enough to dodge the strings. Something hakuba could make. Don chinjao could also use CoO to dodge the strings. Bartho could protect them all with barriers left and right while they try to touch doffy,
Don chinjao that luffy beat easy .
I think your are underestimating don and his powers .
These are same power that can come from any where that block a gear 4 calvary canon ,that luffy had to be flying about in the air to dodge .
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You're overestimating doflamingos current state.
Am I? How many people know the state he is currently? Does Zoro, Cavendish, Bartolomeo, etc. know?
He spams his awakening but you only need to be fast enough to dodge the strings. Something hakuba could make. Don chinjao could also use CoO to dodge the strings. Bartho could protect them all with barriers left and right while they try to touch doffy,
Doula can turn entire buildings and even the ground into strings, making Barto's barriers useless as he can just summon strings beyond the barrier. And Chinjao doesn't have CoO. Hakuba is too uncontrollable to be of any actual help.
In fact, Luffy only managed to dodge his Awakening because he could fly at high speeds.
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Doula would just defeat them like the gladiators that just fell. Remember, he didn't need much effort to defeat Sanji, who's stronger than everyone you listed but Zoro and Fujitora. Now that he is spamming his Awakening, people can't even get close to him.
Fujitora is the only other person that could do something, but he has his reasons to not attack Doula.
Yes they would get owned but Oda is showing him putting people in front of him to stall for time. The problem lies in the fact he's having no named gladiators face him instead. If he had some higher named gladiators faced him it would be somewhat more believable to the plot. Nope, instead it was the lowest tier guys you can find to stall for time. After Viola falls, Oda is going to have some citizens face him to stall for that last 1 minute.
