@uniaka:
Maybe, was Alabasta luffy even able to break metal?
I think he would be the exception because of bad match-up. Same way zoro and sanji would stand no chance with Enel back then, since luffy had the DF advantage.
He wouldn't need to break steel to beat him. He'd have to hit him in head hard enough to give him a concussion or something.
But that's only if Daz doesn't turn his insides into steel as well.
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I'm not sure Luffy could've beaten Mr. 1 back on Alabasta, because iron blade powers. Contact = stabbed.
Well Luffy could have always used his strength and streching to use debris that was everywhere around - throwing it at Mr 1 - to create opening to land some nice hits.
I cannot wait till I see Luffy using hardening on his hands and grabbing Doflamingos strings to pull him towards himself and land some amazingly satisfying punch to Doflamingos face. Just 1-3 chapters till their fight starts..
One day Luffy will overcome the yonko.
Which is the main reason of why Luffy, Zoro and Sanji can't be too close to each other in strength, three people in one single crew capable of defeating Yonkos, I know Bleach, I know what bad storytelling it is, but three people in one crew, every single one of them stronger than yonkos, shittiest thing Oda could ever do to the series.
The healthiest thing to the series it is indeed to keep Zoro down bellow Luffy and Sanji down bellow Zoro.
Well I don't see that happening. I mean look at Rayleigh he is able to keep up with an admiral at his old age and yet he said if he was younger he could've done more. And Scopper Gaban who is probably Roger 3rd guy who Oda said will appear later in the story probably can keep up with an Admiral. Luffys crew is the smallest pirate crew so far and I believe they will surpass Roger crew not only in strength but in doing something about one piece.
This right here proves that Zoro and Sanji by end of series would be able to keep up with an Admiral and Admirals themselves are strong enough to even fight with a yonko 1 vs 1, so technical this means EOS Zoro and Sanji will be able to take on a yonko 1 v 1 if yonko will still exist back then, who wins or loses no one knows.
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well shanks used to be the strongest swordsman in the world (probably still is honestly) and is a yonko. Would you rather have Zoro not achieve is dream? Or do you want him to be stronger than Luffy or what? Sanji doesn't have to be that strong, but Luffy and Zoro really need to be for plot reasons. Sanji probably won't be far behind either
Sorry but using dreams as an excuse to say why Luffy and Zoro should be the strongest EOS is kinda not what one piece is all about.
Whitebeard world strongest man, his dream was to have a family and nothing to do with conquering or being the strongest but he ended up as the strongest man in the series. Sanji could end up as world strongest man or chopper as world strongest creature for all we know, it's Oda story.
What about Mihawk? Are you sure he woke up and was like Zoro- "I would be the strongest swordsman"? Maybe he was just a swordsman who kept fighting and beating everyone and then they started calling him that, maybe his dream had nothing to do with strongest.
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@uniaka:
WB was 1 of 4 yonkous and he had at least 4 guys who could fight 3 admirals, 1 of them could even beat one, marco wasn't going down any soon by admiral either.
The pirate king's crew should be the best, above even roger's crew, so it's very likely Luffy/zoro/sanji will be superior to WB/marco/jozu trio.
And yes, there is a WB>MARCO>JOZU there.
Luffy would be superior to Zoro and Sanji. Luffy proofs he is superior to them ever since the manga started. I don't think zoro or sanji could beat all the villains luffy managed so far.
Last I checked he got pretty beat up by Kizaru and was (along with the commanders and Crocodile) barely holding back Akainu, who was wrecked by Whitebeard but was a tough son of a bitch.
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Last I checked he got pretty beat up by Kizaru and was (along with the commanders and Crocodile) barely holding back Akainu, who was wrecked by Whitebeard but was a tough son of a bitch.
Call it excuse or not, but I think he was in seastone cuffs when kizaru hurt him.
His problem was offense, since his deffense is one of the best.
Unlike WB's crew, the SH's M3 will be able to fight and win against an admiral, E.O.S.
Marco was only able to keep up with an admiral. He failed to hurt them, and vice versa, due to his special df.
Jozu was not that fortunate.
@uniaka:
Call it excuse or not, but I think he was in seastone cuffs when kizaru hurt him.
His problem was offense, since his deffense is one of the best.
It's a good excuse and in fact a great fighting tactic when facing a DF, especially a legendary Zoan such as Marco. Would have been great if the roles reversed and MArco did that to Kizaru
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Unlike WB's crew, the SH's M3 will be able to fight and win against an admiral, E.O.S.
Marco was only able to keep up with an admiral. He failed to hurt them, and vice versa, due to his special df.
Jozu was not that fortunate.
I hope everyone agrees that the M3 will eventually each beat admirals, but I'm sure the only one of them who will ever beat a Yonkou one-on-one will be Luffy. Maybe Zoro or Sanji will go toe to toe with a Yonkou but the fight will be limited by massive amounts of plot. It'd probably look like something somewhere between Sanji's Vergo and Doflamingo fights.
I'm calling it right now. People will still be arguing about it years from now and the question will never be clearly answered.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
I think Luffys 1st or even 2nd Yonkou fight we will see him fighting together with someone. The only yonkou I really see him fighting 1 on 1 is Blackbeard, or Shanks if they ever get to spar/fight. Zoro and Sanji wont defeat one themselves. I can see them going 3 vs 1 to help Luffy out tho. I would actually love to see that, the M3 fighting together to beat a Yonkou.
I used to think the first yonkou battle will be similar to when the supernovas had a fight with Kizaru. They will team up, deal some damage to him, they get defeated, Luffy shows up and solos.
Similar to Law and Luffy vs DD and trebol, if you ignore trebol.
Anybody else imagining this scene when Zoro is cutting down Mt. Pika?
Oh mah gawd, didn't expect a Poneglyph in a cover story.
Zoro was awesome. Oda was unpredictable. God Usopp was Usopp.
Great chapter.
this chapter should have been called divide et impera.
i wasn't expecting a poneglyph
@uniaka:
Maybe, was Alabasta luffy even able to break metal?
I think he would be the exception because of bad match-up. Same way zoro and sanji would stand no chance with Enel back then, since luffy had the DF advantage.
"Broke through pure bedrock". Remember that? Oda established that Luffy could break something even more durable than steel at the time. But Luffy could've beatn Mr.1 with one pipin' hot gomu gomu no bazooka.
I really want Oda to make the last fight really cool but at the same time also short. I don’t know if this is possible but I really want this ark to finish. I’m usually not one to complain but next week Friday it’s the 2 years anniversary of this ark.
But if it’s a cool fight I can wait I really don’t want this 20 chapters talking and 1 chapter fighting thing like with Zoro.
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Well I suppose the recent Anime episode made this chapter 100000x better.
Re-read the chapter and have Pica's voice in your head when he is talking smack to the King about him being a weakling and bad king.
Sentamaru was Vegapunks body guard, led around Pacifistas, seemed to have a thorough relationship with his "uncle" Kizaru and made the War Lord and CP9 destroying Luffy look like a joke. I would not be surprised if his Haki was just as world class as he made it out to be.
I'm not saying "it can't be", what I'm saying is that this seems to be his quirk boosting himself up that is. Example: "I have the tightest mouth"
I'm not saying "it can't be", what I'm saying is that this seems to be his quirk boosting himself up that is. Example: "I have the tightest mouth"
You're saying Oda is using his dialogue as a point of humour but also an unreliable narrator POV. Entirely reasonable.
Raleigh also used it to disable the explosive collars at Seabody.
A more detailed explanation would be nice but don't think we can expect one in a hurry.
They weren't disabled since they still exploded. At best he used it to break it open.
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I'm not sure Luffy could've beaten Mr. 1 back on Alabasta, because iron blade powers. Contact = stabbed.
He endured Kuro's slash, punched Krieg despite his spears and attack Magellan under his poison. I doubt either damage or fear will stop him from punching.
I'm not saying "it can't be", what I'm saying is that this seems to be his quirk boosting himself up that is. Example: "I have the tightest mouth"
I see what your getting at but I think his main quirk is letting secrets and info fly just after telling people he'll never spill the beans.
I hope everyone agrees that the M3 will eventually each beat admirals, but I'm sure the only one of them who will ever beat a Yonkou one-on-one will be Luffy. Maybe Zoro or Sanji will go toe to toe with a Yonkou but the fight will be limited by massive amounts of plot. It'd probably look like something somewhere between Sanji's Vergo and Doflamingo fights. I'm calling it right now. People will still be arguing about it years from now and the question will never be clearly answered.
Well the Roger pirates themselves had at least 2 Yonkou level members and a future one. I can't see why crew that's gonna surpass them have 2 to 3 Yonkou level members.
Well I don't see that happening. I mean look at Rayleigh he is able to keep up with an admiral at his old age and yet he said if he was younger he could've done more. And Scopper Gaban who is probably Roger 3rd guy who Oda said will appear later in the story probably can keep up with an Admiral. Luffys crew is the smallest pirate crew so far and I believe they will surpass Roger crew not only in strength but in doing something about one piece.
This right here proves that Zoro and Sanji by end of series would be able to keep up with an Admiral and Admirals themselves are strong enough to even fight with a yonko 1 vs 1, so technical this means EOS Zoro and Sanji will be able to take on a yonko 1 v 1 if yonko will still exist back then, who wins or loses no one knows.
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Sorry but using dreams as an excuse to say why Luffy and Zoro should be the strongest EOS is kinda not what one piece is all about.
Whitebeard world strongest man, his dream was to have a family and nothing to do with conquering or being the strongest but he ended up as the strongest man in the series. Sanji could end up as world strongest man or chopper as world strongest creature for all we know, it's Oda story.
What about Mihawk? Are you sure he woke up and was like Zoro- "I would be the strongest swordsman"? Maybe he was just a swordsman who kept fighting and beating everyone and then they started calling him that, maybe his dream had nothing to do with strongest.
sorry but if you don't think zoro will become the worlds strongest swordsman than we must be talking about different people. And Whitbeard did achieve his dream,so its not a cogent example. We have no idea what mihawks dream was, so again not cogent. Sanji becoming the new strongest like whitebeard is totally possibly, bc it doesn't affect his finding of all blue. The thing with zoro is his dream is to be the best swordsman. All the SH's will achieve their dreams
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Now that's one huge assumption right there!
I'm pretty sure during one of mihawks and shank's conversations they established it used to be shanks. Something along the lines of "are you challenging me again for the title?" "I have no interest in fighting a one armed man"
I'm pretty sure during one of mihawks and shank's conversations they established it used to be shanks. Something along the lines of "are you challenging me again for the title?" "I have no interest in fighting a one armed man"
Nope, apparently Mihawk thought Shanks wanted to fight him again but there was never a mention about any "title".
Wasnt it the other way? Shanks thought Mihawk was there to fight him? but Mihawk declined and said he wouldn't fight a one arm crippled guy?
It's a good excuse and in fact a great fighting tactic when facing a DF, especially a legendary Zoan such as Marco. Would have been great if the roles reversed and MArco did that to Kizaru
I believe it was explain by Pirates not having a way to refine sea stone.
Though I agree, it was a great tactical move.
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I am curious Darth (and being serious now) if you were writing the manga what exactly would you have Fujitora do exactly?
Considering how the arc turned out?
Not be here.
Have him want to interfere between Luffy and Doflamingo, but be stopped by Sabo.
Have him actually be the blind justice, and just go after everybody involved.
Made some effort to help civilians personally.
Made some effort to destroy the birdcage, personally.
DO BLOODY SOMETHING.
And be less vague about it.
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Fujitora is outsider from marines so he very likely has different angle on things than people that lived live as marines. He is not youngester and his actions look more and more resonable.
Just lower your expectations toward this one plotline in this arc- its starter for many future arcs and plotlines, conclusions hold more of thrills than starts most of times.
Everything can be made good by lowering your expectations.
That's why we have rampant Naruto and Bleach fans insisting those are good stories.
Fujitora's actions are stupid if you think about them. That's why we are criticising him.
As for Doflamingo taking down Fujitora- if it would be only Dofla Familia against him - he would be in danger.
Team attacks can get really dangerous - even Delli, Pink and Machvise were able to suprise attack Luffy with some effect(circumstancial I know) so Seats working together could do plenty if Doflamingo would be attacking Fuji and they would help.
If it were only Family against Fujitora, then yes. However, Fujitora has two VA's with him. And three thousands marines.
Come on. He can't deal with bunch of random gladiators and Straw Hats.
I know you love admirals but we are getting to point in the story where one of them will soon fall so get ready for Strawhats dealing with one of them sooner than later imo.
Actually, I'm on the stance that we will see a Yonko fall before Admiral.
Also I dont see Fujitora acting like incopetent imbecile - he has his hands tied to some degree with Doflamingo holding CD by balls + he is a Warlord. Characters that dont do what they are expected to are interesting for me more than those that go for obvious path.
A) He does not know about the agreement between CD and him.
B) That agreement only came about because they couldn't kill him. If they did have way of doing so, (say, after he was captured by marine admiral), then they wouldn't do shit for him.
C) Warlord thing is disproved by both previous precedence and the words of Maynard. It is not absolute protection from everything, dammit.
well..asking fuji to not be vague is asking oda to be not vague..and he is black belt in the pronoun game.
well..asking fuji to not be vague is asking oda to be not vague..and he is black belt in the pronoun game.
Oh, Fujitora is special, even by Oda's standarts.
The problem is not that Fujitora's being vague. It's that he is frustrating while being vague, in ways that seem contrary to his established character.
I bet Fuji needs a hearing aid to supplement his eye sight impairment to hear Picca!
If it were only Family against Fujitora, then yes. However, Fujitora has two VA's with him. And three thousands marines.
Come on. He can't deal with bunch of random gladiators and Straw Hats.
Actually, I'm on the stance that we will see a Yonko fall before Admiral.
A) He does not know about the agreement between CD and him.
B) That agreement only came about because they couldn't kill him. If they did have way of doing so, (say, after he was captured by marine admiral), then they wouldn't do shit for him.
C) Warlord thing is disproved by both previous precedence and the words of Maynard. It is not absolute protection from everything, dammit.
As for Admiral falling after Yonko - its possible as first will be most likely team fight with a Yonko individual and then later on something closer to 1 on 1 with Admiral ending up with his loss. That is something that I can also expect.
As for whole Doflamingo family vs Marines along with Fujitora - I do think that family would be able to push back Marines if it would be only those 2 forces against each other.
As for last point - Fujitora has to follow rules if he doesnt want to risk his status by attacking Doflamingo. His hands are tied by his ambition on bringing down Warlords as group. He sees more good in that than risking now loosing chance to do so. Thats all there is to it really.
Rules and choices are simple by formula but reasons and motivations are different story here.
As for Admiral falling after Yonko - its possible as first will be most likely team fight with a Yonko individual and then later on something closer to 1 on 1 with Admiral ending up with his loss is something that I can also expect.
… Why are people underestimating Admirals so much?
When the strongest crew of the New World fought against the marines, not one Admiral fell. And you are like "Yeah, Luffy and the crew surpassed that level already".
As for whole Doflamingo family vs Marines along with Fujitora - I do think that family would be able to push back Marines if it would be only those 2 forces against each other.
I don't. If only because I believe it would turn into Kizaru vs Supernovas situation.
I don't think any of the lower ranking members are of any threat to Fujitora. Hell, I don't believe any executives are a threat to Fujitora. Maybe Doflamingo?
I think you are failing to realize the extent of Fujitora's power. I can't actually think of any way he could be succesfuly attacked. He would just push them away, and then crush them.
As for last point - Fujitora has to follow rules if he doesnt want to risk his status by attacking Doflamingo. His hands are tied by his ambition on bringing down Warlords as group. He sees more good in that than risking now loosing chance to do so. Thats all there is to it really.
Rules and choices are simple by formula but reasons and motivations are different story here.
Wait… his boss is Akainu, and you believe he somehow doesn't risk his position by not attacking Flamingo?
The problem with that reasoning is that A) We have seen nothing to implicate he considers his ambition to bring down Warlords be more imperative than his morals B) You do not have any evidence that what he does is actually beneficial to his cause at all.
I have worked out how dofa will be killed. Dofa will have luffy on his knees and will raise his hand with strings and just before he strikes, Dragon will appear outside the birdcage and similar to the buggy/luffy time, dragon will somehow send a bolt of lightening down on the birdcage, which will make a massive explosion and as a result destroy the cage. The explosion will trigger a stone to dislodge on the surroundings on Dressrosa, and fly up and hit dofa on the head and break his sunnies, causing him a massive headache. In his anger, he realises that he hadn't kept his fluids up during the day and a combination of dehydration and headache, he passed out and death by bleed out from the stone. It's offical.
… Why are people underestimating Admirals so much?
When the strongest crew of the New World fought against the marines, not one Admiral fell. And you are like "Yeah, Luffy and the crew surpassed that level already".
I don't. If only because I believe it would turn into Kizaru vs Supernovas situation.
I don't think any of the lower ranking members are of any threat to Fujitora. Hell, I don't believe any executives are a threat to Fujitora. Maybe Doflamingo?
I think you are failing to realize the extent of Fujitora's power. I can't actually think of any way he could be succesfuly attacked. He would just push them away, and then crush them.
Wait... his boss is Akainu, and you believe he somehow doesn't risk his position by not attacking Flamingo?
The problem with that reasoning is that A) We have seen nothing to implicate he considers his ambition to bring down Warlords be more imperative than his morals B) You do not have any evidence that what he does is actually beneficial to his cause at all.
I have no more time today for "Fujitoras exteeeentttt offf poowwaaaaaa" from you, sorry.
I wrote what I think, not interested in endless elaborations. You idolize Fujitoras combat powers too much and you dont acknowledge that we talk about Dressrosa being home turf of Mingos family. With Pica set of abilities mixed up with Trebols and Diamante - it would be total chaos and all out war.
Vice Admiral like Maynard should be also dealt with by somebody like Gladius etc number of strong people among Doflamingo family is simply higher than 3 named guys in marines and 3 000 others that most likely can be blown up by Gladius alone.
Teamwork is powerful thing when you have that amount of DF users at your disposal.
I do believe that Fujitora can easily say that he had hands full with protecting civilians and that he let pirates beat the shit out of each other, then most logical would be to mess up tired fighters from both pirate crews etc and cuff them 
We didnt yet seen what approach Fujitora will show to us.
And yea one way or another taking down somebody who still is a Warlord is more risky to Fujitora as it seems than what he does. So yea I do think so.
Lets talk some other day, its sunny weather today :happy:
… Why are people underestimating Admirals so much?
When the strongest crew of the New World fought against the marines, not one Admiral fell. And you are like "Yeah, Luffy and the crew surpassed that level already".
I don't. If only because I believe it would turn into Kizaru vs Supernovas situation.
I don't think any of the lower ranking members are of any threat to Fujitora. Hell, I don't believe any executives are a threat to Fujitora. Maybe Doflamingo?
I think you are failing to realize the extent of Fujitora's power. I can't actually think of any way he could be succesfuly attacked. He would just push them away, and then crush them.
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… Because of Toei filler?
Considering disdain people hold for the anime... :ninja:
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I have no more time today for "Fujitoras exteeeentttt offf poowwaaaaaa" from you, sorry.
I wrote what I think, not interested in endless elaborations. You idolize Fujitoras combat powers too much and you dont acknowledge that we talk about Dressrosa being home turf of Mingos family. With Pica set of abilities mixed up with Trebols and Diamante - it would be total chaos and all out war.
Vice Admiral like Maynard should be also dealt with by somebody like Gladius etc number of strong people among Doflamingo family is simply higher than 3 named guys in marines and 3 000 others that most likely can be blown up by Gladius alone.
Teamwork is powerful thing when you have that amount of DF users at your disposal.
You will notice, however, that every one of those people relies on having to hit opponents physicaly.
Something that gravity can very much influence.
Why do you think Fujitora has not been even grazed even though he faced multitude of strong opponents?
I do believe that Fujitora can easily say that he had hands full with protecting civilians and that he let pirates beat the shit out of each other, then most logical would be to mess up tired fighters from both pirate crews etc and cuff them
You will recall that he explicitly ordered his men to not go after Flamingo, right?
Come on.
And yea one way or another taking down somebody who still is a Warlord is more risky to Fujitora as it seems than what he does. So yea I do think so.
Lets talk some other day, its sunny weather today :happy:
Do whatever you want, it's dark and gloomy over here.
Fuji describes himself as still being pretty green with his DF powers, iirc
And it's also been established that Fuji's lack of sight is an exploitable weakness, due to him not being to see what's going on, even if he can sense that something is happening.
I imagine that the best way for anyone to handle Fuji would probably be a concentrated and concerted attack by multiple people in an attempt to overwhelm his senses so that someone could sneak a hit in.
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Fuji describes himself as pretty green?? but what about Green Bull??
I honestly don't know if you're making a pun there
but "green" describes someone that's still unskilled or unprepared
like how an unripe banana is green
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Fuji describes himself as still being pretty green with his DF powers, iirc
That is not really clear.
You are refering to the first meteor scene, right? It could be interpreted as him trying his powers specificaly against them. It does not necessary mean he himself is inexperienced with it.
And it's also been established that Fuji's lack of sight is an exploitable weakness, due to him not being to see what's going on, even if he can sense that something is happening.
I imagine that the best way for anyone to handle Fuji would probably be a concentrated and concerted attack by multiple people in an attempt to overwhelm his senses so that someone could sneak a hit in.
Depends how good his CoO is. Remember, as long as it is intentional attack against him, he should be able to sense it.
Depends how good his CoO is. Remember, as long as it is intentional attack against him, he should be able to sense it.
Being able to sense something doesn't necessarily mean you can do anything about it, though.
Fuji may be able to sense an attack coming, but if he's coming right off having his concentration broken, he may not have enough time to regain enough focus to dodge or counter.
This is a complete hypothetical, though. We really don't know the extent of Fuji's CoO or his reflexes in a situation like that.
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I don't think any of the lower ranking members are of any threat to Fujitora. Hell, I don't believe any executives are a threat to Fujitora. Maybe Doflamingo?
I think you are failing to realize the extent of Fujitora's power. I can't actually think of any way he could be succesfuly attacked. He would just push them away, and then crush them.
you forgot that doflamingo is the king of the entire island and has basically limitless money and connections
to deal with fujitora,with him being blind at all,all he needs is a plank of kairoseki somewhere where fuji can step on it.
there,dealt with the admiral..and that's only one of the possible outcomes that can happen when one has limitless access to kairoseki and one is a blind guy (that can sense things moving,but still blind)
of course it's something he has to plan in advance,but that's why he said he would have killed fuji after all was set and done
you forgot that doflamingo is the king of the entire island and has basically limitless money and connections
to deal with fujitora,with him being blind at all,all he needs is a plank of kairoseki somewhere where fuji can step on it.
there,dealt with the admiral..and that's only one of the possible outcomes that can happen when one has limitless access to kairoseki and one is a blind guy (that can sense things moving,but still blind)
of course it's something he has to plan in advance,but that's why he said he would have killed fuji after all was set and done
Assumption here being that if Fuji wanted to confrot him immediatly, he would have no way to stop him?
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Being able to sense something doesn't necessarily mean you can do anything about it, though.
Fuji may be able to sense an attack coming, but if he's coming right off having his concentration broken, he may not have enough time to regain enough focus to dodge or counter.
This is a complete hypothetical, though. We really don't know the extent of Fuji's CoO or his reflexes in a situation like that.
True that. I still believe, however, that he would have been given the title if he could have been dealt with that easily.
Assumption here being that if Fuji wanted to confrot him immediatly, he would have no way to stop him?
more that he would have played a bit of a cat and mouse game while his subordinates prepared some traps..dofla's mobility is definitely effective if he wants to escape…
anyway,yes,in a straight fight fuji would probably win if that is what are you asking
I hate that Zoro continues his lowish difficulty streak, but loved the art and the finisher. All in all, the chapter was awesome!
This might not belong in that thread but..
In anime today they for first time revealed Picas voice
Now I reading this weeks chapter changes for me as I read Picas line having this voice in my head 
Well the Roger pirates themselves had at least 2 Yonkou level members and a future one. I can't see why crew that's gonna surpass them have 2 to 3 Yonkou level members.
I'm not saying they won't be that strong, I'm saying only Luffy will ever solo a Yonkou and thus the question will be left unanswered.
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… Because of Toei filler?
Considering disdain people hold for the anime... :ninja:
It's honestly not that bad. Luffy initiates the fight and Fuji blocks. We can't tell how much effort the admiral is exerting. He launches a single, weak attack to drive Luffy back, evidenced by the fact that we can actually see the bottom of the depression, then Zoro attacks and he blocks some more.
Luffy and Zoro aren't launching any big attacks so you can't call it a serious fight. Hell, it wasn't even mentioned in the title card. It's padding but it's consistent with Fuji's behavior and motives and I don't think it really portrays him poorly at all.
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Actually, I'm on the stance that we will see a Yonko fall before Admiral.
Agreed. The Admirals are all on the same side and at least two + Sakazuki will be fought all together near the end. The Yonkou all have their own crews and territories but right now it doesn't appear that any of the Admirals have ties to any islands, which makes them less ideal arc villains. It would be seriously shortchanging them to make them anything less prior to the final arcs.
There are tons of reasons against defeating one soon, like discrediting their power for the later fights. Think about it, the last Marine antagonist to be defeated by the Strawhats was Lieutenant Morgan, or maybe T Bone if you want to count that. It's because the organization of the Marines doesn't lend itself to be the major antagonistic party in regular arcs.
Maybe, MAYBE, we'll see them beat an admiral at Vegapunk's island. I still think it's highly unlikely though.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
It's honestly not that bad. Luffy initiates the fight and Fuji blocks. We can't tell how much effort the admiral is exerting. He launches a single, weak attack to drive Luffy back, evidenced by the fact that we can actually see the bottom of the depression, then Zoro attacks and he blocks some more.
Luffy and Zoro aren't launching any big attacks so you can't call it a serious fight. Hell, it wasn't even mentioned in the title card. It's padding but it's consistent with Fuji's behavior and motives and I don't think it really portrays him poorly at all.
I was being slightly sarcastic. I honestly like the anime version more than most people here. Or rather, I'm not a judgemental of it.
It was fine. Just your generic filler.
Agreed. The Admirals are all on the same side and at least two + Sakazuki will be fought all together near the end. The Yonkou all have their own crews and territories but right now it doesn't appear that any of the Admirals have ties to any islands, which makes them less ideal arc villains. It would be seriously shortchanging them to make them anything less prior to the final arcs.
There are tons of reasons against defeating one soon, like discrediting their power for the later fights. Think about it, the last Marine antagonist to be defeated by the Strawhats was Lieutenant Morgan, or maybe T Bone if you want to count that. It's because the organization of the Marines doesn't lend itself to be the major antagonistic party in regular arcs.
Maybe, MAYBE, we'll see them beat an admiral at Vegapunk's island. I still think it's highly unlikely though.
Yeah, that was my reasoning as well. Though if I would have to bet, I would bet on Kizaru being beaten on Vegapunk's laboratory.
But both Kizaru and Issho are cool people, what's the point on beating those guys…
In the other hand Akainu and Onigumo are big douches, bet Sanji can't even beat Onigumo!
But both Kizaru and Issho are cool people, what's the point on beating those guys…
In the other hand Akainu and Onigumo are big douches, bet Sanji can't even beat Onigumo!
Your bait is getting awful lately
But both Kizaru and Issho are cool people, what's the point on beating those guys…
To stop them from causing thousands of berries worth of collateral?
In the other hand Akainu and Onigumo are big douches, bet Sanji can't even beat Onigumo!
I agree. They both meanies.
Hey, maybe Sanji will defeat Sakazuki? After all, his heart burns hotter than fire. Their powers are in relation of superiority! Akainu's magma fist would just harmlessly bounce of him.
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