Officer gets destroyed in one chapter: Sigh, they suck and this sucks
Officer does plenty of destruction, unharmed and is very threatening and tactically smart: Sigh, set-up chapter. This sucksNever change Apforums.
No matter what happens, you can please everybody. However, as your post points out, some just act retarded and don't even realize.
And now I'm fleeing out here, since I know some f*ckers will come to lash out at me.
Damn… this chapter made me miss the great comedy One Piece used to have. Where's that all gone? It's all brawl, drama and destruction. Characters rarely shine other than from their arbitrary quirks. Nami and Robin feel like they have no personality. Zoro is always serious, never laughs. Usopp is still good... but he gets sooo little panel time. Sanji, Brook, Chopper... same. Franky's humor hasn't changed but... he's hardly about being a pervert anymore. He's just a Mecha. Luffy... Luffy's lost his charm. His random, weird attacks that were completely unexpected. He's no longer an underdog, he just fights on par with people now. I don't know... i really want to keep loving One Piece... but it feels so far away from the great stuff that went on earlier in the series. :(
This is literally the last complaint I expected from current One Piece. It no longer has comedy now, apparently. After people complained that Oda decided to resolve many conflicts with a gag of all things. During this very arc. Tons of times.
I abso-fucking-lutely HATE being that guy that feels the need to jump in clad in white armor to defend One Piece from the wrath of Arlong Park's community, since that's something I myself hate everytime it happens in other threads like Toriko, but goddamn have a lot of you guys been blowing things totally out of proportion.
And the whole "Bellamy broke Luffy's haki, Oda sucks" argument should go to the hall of shame ASAP.
Damn… this chapter made me miss the great comedy One Piece used to have. Where's that all gone? It's all brawl, drama and destruction.
Wat? Most of the battles on Dressrosa have had tons of comedy. Where was this attitude when Sugar was KO'd?
You also do realise they're having a war right?
Characters rarely shine other than from their arbitrary quirks
This isn't true.
Nami and Robin feel like they have no personality
That's impossible for various reasons.
Zoro is always serious, never laughs.
He isn't, and for what reason should he constantly laugh?
he's hardly about being a pervert anymore
But being a "man".
He's no longer an underdog, he just fights on par with people now
Have we been reading the same series?
it feels so far away from the great stuff that went on earlier in the series. :[[/quote] Because everything is being over exaggerated by you lot.
Oh, I dont know.
This episode actually had the vibe of the good old times before the time skip. I liked it to my surprise, but I hope Zoro VS Pica got resolved on the next one, this has already dragged for too long.
AP, what have you done?
I wouldn't consider Amol a friend, but I wouldn't want to see him die while attacking me out of sense of responisibility either.
Right, Darth?
God knows I don't have the right to argue against vendettas people have against certain aspects of One Piece. I burned a lot of ground in my relentless wars in the past over Rebecca, Violet and Fujitora.
It holds certain appeal, you know? Becoming an emboddiment of cold, emotionless wrath against people who disagree with you, especially if they are in majority. It makes you feel good if you can stand your ground against the tide.
I consider discussion a battle, but I don't think it should be to death. :happy:
Despite being a Zoro-focused chapter, I didn't hate it.
Zoro actually analysed his options and apparently came to a logical solution that wasn't just SLASH!
Having shown something other than slashing and one liners in this chapter, this is easily the most I've enjoyed a battle-orientated Zoro since the timeskip.
The chapter was ok. I liked the ending. Zorro having a plan, good thing. The arc is great fo far. I guess Oda rushes the fights because he needs chapters later on, when the real guys enter the stage. About Doflas crew being lame. Indeed, but crocs crew wasnt that strong either. Thats why Dofla is the chief and the crew, is …just... the crew. I didnt expect something else from the beginning.
And the whole "Bellamy broke Luffy's haki, Oda sucks" argument should go to the hall of shame ASAP.
No, it truly sucked. That was bad. And that whole Luffy vs bellamy that has been going on for months now should go to the hall of shame.
Because haki gives you full protection against hits, right? Especially one that is coming at you at the speed of sound and you are willingly taking head on. Sigh, you guys are hopeless.
Damn… this chapter made me miss the great comedy One Piece used to have. Where's that all gone? It's all brawl, drama and destruction. Characters rarely shine other than from their arbitrary quirks. Nami and Robin feel like they have no personality. Zoro is always serious, never laughs. Usopp is still good... but he gets sooo little panel time. Sanji, Brook, Chopper... same. Franky's humor hasn't changed but... he's hardly about being a pervert anymore. He's just a Mecha. Luffy... Luffy's lost his charm. His random, weird attacks that were completely unexpected. He's no longer an underdog, he just fights on par with people now. I don't know... i really want to keep loving One Piece... but it feels so far away from the great stuff that went on earlier in the series. :(
I swear you must be either blind or plain senile.
Oh, please. If you have arguments that good, you use them to mercilessly crush your enemies beneath your heel, not playing a victim.
I fought for the recognisition of constructive critisism and different points of view for months now. Don't be a child, and if you believe you are right, argue, and argue well. And if you do that, you will be acknowledged.
Really now?
From what I see it people are too close minded here and really had deluded themselves into thinking that everything that Oda does is right .
It is not me playing victim card. It is me not having enough time for bullshit. This is not the only forum in which I have account after all.
I can't be bothered if people can't take simple criticism here .
People don't argue here . They just make smart ass comments which somehow supposed to make them look clever.
Too much White Knighting here for me to give a damn about them.
Usopp is still good… but he gets sooo little panel time.
Usopp has been the most prominent Strawhat in this arc, besides Luffy.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
Cavendish gags, kyros grudge for 10 years - law's for 13 - and then luffy saying that his was 30, Bartolomeo ones, Pica's voice, God Usopp, Lao G dying and then coming back, Franky vs Senor Pink, Kinemon disguising as Doffy, Kanjuro Flappy Bird, Corazon's "It was all an act!" and more. This arc alone had some of the best comedy moments.
No, it truly sucked. That was bad. And that whole Luffy vs bellamy that has been going on for months now should go to the hall of shame.
1- What was bad? That ONE punch we got before the action got cut?
2- How the hell is Luffy vs. Bellamy been going for months? Luffy vs. Bellamy amounts to 2 pages. And then cut. How the hell is that "going on for months". How. Tell me.
Proof that Arlong Park changes people:
Amol, two months ago.
Should I creep out because of stalking ?
People that talk of rebbeca, nami during arlorng arc did nothing against the mermen, and she could handle herself, but what i want to know is whats does a comando unit usually do? This arc feels so empty. The way pink and franky did their thing, its like so the factory is not important to joker, cause it came off almost like a game of sorts. Dellinger was ok, gladius in the end was hmm, dia loser was thru out pathetic, the heavy guy useless, pica is being dumb, but thats a one piece thing, i wished villains did not speak their goal. Before doing it, or atleast do it correctly, surprise stone attack could have been fun to see on ussop and riku ànd kyros, if it was as silent as he initially came across as. At least make some people even slightly feel that sense of danger. Theres no doubt that pica is going to accomplish not a single goal. Makes me wonder what joker saw in them, bellamy resolve is more evident than jokers executives, execution of their job and defence of joker. Mabe…..
No, it truly sucked. That was bad. And that whole Luffy vs bellamy that has been going on for months now should go to the hall of shame.
You must've hated Usopp getting the upper hand in his fight with Luffy, eh?
Can someone please photoshop the Sharigan onto Zoro? Cause that is what I thought the moment that happened.
Decent chapter overall.
@Galaxy:
You must've hated Usopp getting the upper hand in his fight with Luffy, eh?
Doubtful, since everyone knew Luffy wasn't fighting seriously. And when he finally went all "I've had enough of this"…
Really now?
From what I see it people are too close minded here and really had deluded themselves into thinking that everything that Oda does is right .
It is not me playing victim card. It is me not having enough time for bullshit. This is not the only forum in which I have account after all.
I can't be bothered if people can't take simple criticism here .
People don't argue here . They just make smart ass comments which somehow supposed to make them look clever.
Too much White Knighting here for me to give a damn about them.
You know, this is really funny, actually, because I think I drove most of those off.
People don't really mind critisism against One Piece. Well; some do, but it's more of an exception then a rule nowadays. And you are talking to probably the most critical guy around.
Create good arguments and people will acknowledge you, even if they will not always agree with what you say. Can't say I don't understand your frustration, but you either overcome it, or you really should quit doing it, because it will only bring you misery.
2- How the hell is Luffy vs. Bellamy been going for months? Luffy vs. Bellamy amounts to 2 pages. And then cut. How the hell is that "going on for months". How. Tell me.
People tend to try to use the "week by week" format as an argument for how long a fight has been going.
When in reality… it's a few minutes in the series timeline, with various other things happening that need to be resolved first.
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Doubtful, since everyone knew Luffy wasn't fighting seriously. And when he finally went all "I've had enough of this"…
And in this case… Luffy can't be serious because of Bellamy's injuries.
Really now?
From what I see it people are too close minded here and really had deluded themselves into thinking that everything that Oda does is right .
It is not me playing victim card. It is me not having enough time for bullshit. This is not the only forum in which I have account after all.
I can't be bothered if people can't take simple criticism here .
People don't argue here . They just make smart ass comments which somehow supposed to make them look clever.
Too much White Knighting here for me to give a damn about them.
Should have seen me bitching in last chapter discussion then.
And I replied to your argument about Luffy's Haki being broken by Bellamy quite politely.
But instead of discussing those points further, you just bypassed them and went on with your litany.
1- What was bad? That ONE punch we got before the action got cut?
2- How the hell is Luffy vs. Bellamy been going for months? Luffy vs. Bellamy amounts to 2 pages. And then cut. How the hell is that "going on for months". How. Tell me.
1- The whole fight is bad, from Dofla controlling Bellamy to Bellamy fighting Luffy on his own. This is boring nonsense.
2- Yes, it has been going on for months.
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@Galaxy:
You must've hated Usopp getting the upper hand in his fight with Luffy, eh?
That's one of the best moment in One Piece, what are you even talking about.
Also, critisism against comedy? Comedy has been one thing consistently at least okay with the arc, exception being that one incident we don't talk about.
There are tens of things that are legitimately wrong with this arc. Focus on them instead. Comedy? What's wrong with you guys?
@Galaxy:
And in this case… Luffy can't be serious because of Bellamy's injuries.
As I pointed out in a previous post of mine, Luffy willingly took Bellamy's attack head on. We're talking about the same Luffy who, back in the times he wasn't that known around the world, beat the shit out of Bellamy with one single punch and without even trying. This Luffy now no longer sees Bellamy in the same light as before, knows he's badly wounded and for that and other reasons he's refusing to knock him down asap unless Bellamy pushes Luffy to his limit.
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This forum is quite incredible…I don't even know where to start...
As I pointed out in a previous post of mine, Luffy willingly took Bellamy's attack head on. We're talking about the same Luffy who, back in the times he wasn't that known around the world, beat the shit out of Bellamy with one single punch.
Still, it's kinda hard not to notice the situation is completely different this time.
So I don't get what the comparison with Jaya even means.
EDIT: Nm, read your previous post, I think we're in agreement.
1- The whole fight is bad, from Dofla controlling Bellamy to Bellamy fighting Luffy on his own. This is boring nonsense.
2- Yes, it has been going on for months.
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That's one of the best moment in One Piece, what are you even talking about.
1. Why?
2. I had no idea the past 8-12 chapters have focused on that fight primarily.
Oh wait, they haven't. It's literally had 2 pages dedicated to it… and that's it!
3. You seem to have an issue with a "weaker" opponent getting the upper hand. Even when it makes sense.
Also, critisism against comedy? Comedy has been one thing consistently at least okay with the arc, exception being that one incident we don't talk about.
There are tens of things that are legitimately wrong with this arc. Focus on them instead. Comedy? What's wrong with you guys?
Remind us will ya?
zoro getting serious rip in peace pica 
Remind us will ya?
Oh no you didn't!
Seriously, don't pull his chains. Read up past chapter discussions if you must.
Remind us will ya?
I have this rule about giving you guys at least 15 pages of currently relevant chapter discussion before I devolve into angry rants about past chapters. :happy:
Besides? Fujitora? Everyone knows my stance on Fujitora, no need to repeat that. They also know my stance on King Riku. I'm happy they started moving, but it had taken them 17 chapters worth of material to get to that point for now reason what so ever.
1- The whole fight is bad, from Dofla controlling Bellamy
The maniacal overlord controlling the soldier who until recently served him blindly, making him fight the man who has become his friend.
How is this bad?
to Bellamy fighting Luffy on his own. This is boring nonsense.
Bellamy keeping to his own code and not accepting Luffy's refusal to fight him.
How is this boring nonsense?
Just because it's not something YOU want to see that much does not make it boring.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
Oh no you didn't!
Seriously, don't pull his chains. Read up past chapter discussions if you must.
I smell discussion
hehehehehhehehehehehe
The good:
Lol to eveyone who's noted Rebbecca's mother's grave-marker being more useful than her. Scarlett's grave for nakama!
Pica looks a threat. Oda's artwork has come alive whenever he's portrayed Pica using his power. It's been a visual highlight for the arc.
The bad:
My commiserations to anyone who's been a Diamante fan. For all the build-up he's been a bigger shame to the arena than meadows.
I was kind of enraged by the panel where Robin holds in the pain from her wounds so that ****ing Rebecca can skip over to her father and have a moment with dear old hoppy-dad. It seemed at the least un-neccesary, at best it just made Rebecca look a useless bit off fluff that people are falling over themselves to protect from having to soil her delicate little hands anymore.
Pica really missed a trick not digging up Scarlett's skull and doing a puppet-show with her.
As much as Pica is visually interesting the latter part of the chapter underlines a huge problem with all the powerful characters gathered in Dressrosa: Apart from knocking the wounded about, Zoro's reasoning seems to be "Oh no, a solid rock giant is threatening a Navy Admiral, the Logia Resistance leader 2 powerful Wano swordsmen and all those haki warriors, THEY MUST BE BLIND AND ONLY I CAN SAVE THEM!"
With Zoro it'd be more believable if he was upset someone else may get a crack at his fight.
next chapter looks Zoro slashy chapter so not incredibly interested. Could be fun.
The maniacal overlord controlling the soldier who until recently served him blindly, making him fight the man who has become his friend.
How is this bad?
Bellamy keeping to his own code and not accepting Luffy's refusal to fight him.
How is this boring nonsense?
Just because it's not something YOU want to see that much does not make it boring.
Yeah, I think it's arguably the best part of this arc.
Oda has certainly managed to produce a lot more emotional impact with this than with Riku family angle for me.
I didn't think I would but I actually liked this chapter. I'm glad that the Zoro Vs Pica fight wasn't just this small self contained kerfuffle but it's actually disrupting everyone on Dressrosa. Pica really does feel like an intimidating opponent as well, I love all the shots of Dressrosa's now messed up landscape. How does Diamante even compare to Pica?
Robin braving through those injuries with that perfectly natural smile was neat, but I guess there goes any chance of her fighting Trebol later on.
Also it looks like Jinbei's mystery is done, he found the answer to the question nobody asked or cared about. It's been a long while since I've paid any mind to the cover page story.
@Galaxy:
1. Why?
2. I had no idea the past 8-12 chapters have focused on that fight primarily.
Oh wait, they haven't. It's literally had 2 pages dedicated to it… and that's it!
3. You seem to have an issue with a "weaker" opponent getting the upper hand. Even when it makes sense.
Am I asking you why you find this stuff interesting? Well I'm doing it now.
Why I find all this Luffy vs Bellamy to be boring nonsense? Because it ruins one of the best moment in One Piece, which was Luffy punching Bellamy at Jaya. Now, every time I will read that arc I will have in mind this horrible moment happening on Dressrosa. Bellamy being a nice little puppy, Bellamy loving Dofla to death for no reason, Luffy and Bellamy being buddy buddy for no reason. Luffy not willing to fight Bellamy while he should focus on Doflamingo. The same Luffy who was fighting his best friend [Usopp], the same Luffy who didn't hesitate to fight against Vivi.
And yes, it has been going on for months, no matter the amount of focus we've got on that over-dramatic plot, it has been way too long. But it's not nearly as bad as Zoro fighting Pica for 40+ chapters.
So I'm asking you again, why do you enjoy this stuff?
The maniacal overlord controlling the soldier who until recently served him blindly, making him fight the man who has become his friend.
How is this bad?
Bellamy keeping to his own code and not accepting Luffy's refusal to fight him.
How is this boring nonsense?
Just because it's not something YOU want to see that much does not make it boring.
I think whatever this is good or bad depends on your investment in Bellamy and his character in this arc. And as Daz pointed out, for some it is not as easy to invest yourself in him for various reasons.
I was kind of enraged by the panel where Robin holds in the pain from her wounds so that ****ing Rebecca can skip over to her father and have a moment with dear old hoppy-dad. It seemed at the least un-neccesary, at best it just made Rebecca look a useless bit off fluff that people are falling over themselves to protect from having to soil her delicate little hands anymore.
Au contraire, I actually liked Robin holding in the pain. After so many scenes of One Piece girls crying friggin' Colorado Rapids by the chapter, Robin silently holding in the pain with a smile on her face adds a layer of dignity to her character that's kind of great. She doesn't want to interfere with the family reunion worrying them about her injuries. That was cool.
I kinda see where you're coming from, though.
Pica really missed a trick not digging up Scarlett's skull and doing a puppet-show with her.
You know that actually crossed my mind when all the stone spikes started appearing dangerously close to Scarlett's grave? Like. . .did he willingly dodge her grave? At least the family reunion would've been completed. . .
Now I feel dirty.
Look again Oda with his machismo when Viola speaks of those who were defeated, even cites Jora and Sugar, speaks only of males, Eita lele!
Many people including myself had not already Bellamy, and is now among the four finalists of the arc DressRosa.
I think whatever this is good or bad depends on your investment in Bellamy and his character in this arc. And as Daz pointed out, for some it is not as easy to invest yourself in him for various reasons.
Still, you have to appreciate what the author is doing. Adding such a hated character back in the story, and actually making him a symphatetic person. It doesn't diminish what happened in Jaya for me in any way. After all, Oda built a world that changes along with main characters. Anyone who expects all the characters will stay the same as when they were introduced is set for a disappointment.
Though, if I was mean, I'd say Bellamy got more character development than Luffy.:ninja:
That's not to say I wasn't annoyed with his stubborn code of honor toward Dofla, even if I did understand it.
Can't be happy with everything, I guess.
You mean its been like a year before Zoro said he'd take him on and NOW we're just at "Zoro Vs. Pica?"
I think whatever this is good or bad depends on your investment in Bellamy and his character in this arc. And as Daz pointed out, for some it is not as easy to invest yourself in him for various reasons.
I'd say investment in a character doesn't really affect the quality of the storyline as it were.
You might not be that invested in Bellamy, but his relationship with Doflamingo and the turns it has taken is still solid.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
I'd say investment in a character doesn't really affect the quality of the storyline as it were.
You might not be that invested in Bellamy, but his relationship with Doflamingo and the turns it has taken is still solid.
To say that the connection does not exists however would also be too much.
It depends on a personal preferences in storytelling, I suppose.
I kinda see where you're coming from, though.
Yeh, it was less to do with Robin than how it seemed to be there so Rebecca could not need to give a damn for someone trying to protect her.
Now I feel dirty.
Well you could always borrow Kyros' gloves. 
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Funny way for Diamante to be knocked out. Looks like everyone was wrong. That attack wasn't strong enough to beat him but his fight is still over
ban the word "haki" from being used anywhere on the forums
Not passed me as trolled, for me it was more a gesture to focus on the enemy, almost look like Haki.
I am very curious about this plan to fly Zoro he last used this feature to fly in the arch of Davy Back Figth in a combo with Sanji, but now what?
We have the King Punch as an option, because Zoro himself said that he could later use, that would explain why Oda chose that building security Elizabelo the coup, to give a combo for Zoro. IMAGINE one santoryu because Zoro already put wado Ichimonji in the mouth, along with the pulse rate of the King Punch … would be a mortal blow to the Peeka ... if embuida of Haki yet ... already was!
I do not see it using geppou At no time in history Zoro came across something that could influence you to learn or use this technique in the future. A rankakyu yes I think it would be more interesting use of rokushikis.
Sigh..
Never thought the day will come when I have to explain why Bellamy (who was nobody before time skip and obviously didn't had haki and no great teacher) breaking Luffy's haki(who was far stronger than Bellamy, has better potential than Bellamy, had Haki Guru Rayleigh teaching him haki for 2 years) makes no sense .
I am convinced many of here actually don't understand the concept of haki.
As one smart ass pointed out I have to use word common sense many times because many seems to be lack it here.
Doflamingo's attacks are gonna be 100 times stronger than Bellamy.
God knows what will save Luffy from those strings that can withstand an Admiral's attack if his haki is getting broken by Bellamy.
Such a short sighted bunch of people here.
I liked how no one actually countered my arguments but still acted in air of arrogance like they made some flawless counter-arguments.
I can't help if someone purposefully trying to be ignorant.
As it stands Luffy's haki broke from Bellamy which is a PIS.
Same as Hyouzou reacting to G2 .
If you want to pretend that there is nothing wrong in this arc and Goda can't do anything wrong then be my guest.
There is no point in arguing with delusional elitist people if I am getting attacked by them in group,who don't even bother to counter my points .
Or maybe it's you who don't understand how haki works and that power levels hardly mean shit in One Piece?
Take this particular skirmish for instance: http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/715/16
What does it tell you about CoA? You figure it out, since you claim to know very well the concept of haki.
Also, are you seriously thinking that the fodder Bellamy of pre-timeskip is still the same guy now? Dude's obviously got stronger too. The Straw Hats aren't the only ones who have improved strength-wise post-timeskip. And no, people finding logic in Bellamy breaking Luffy's haki with his strongest attack (a minuscule portion) does not equate to people finding nothing wrong with the arc in general - stop exaggerating.
Seriously dude, take your power level obsession to Narutoforums or somewhere else. Like I said, this is why the idea of battledomes are not entertained here in AP Forums.
