@sabinis:
Thats your opionion man. Some facts show that you might be wrong
Facts? I know of no such thing. I just see people saying I'm wrong, which has nothing factual about it.
@sabinis:
You really should think about creating that thread.. many people would appreciate that and you would get more of what you are after. Quality arguments as you call them.
Perhaps I will.
@sabinis:
Shame you still dont let in some arguments as you measure all of them same way by applying what you learned from studies to everything, the very same way, ignoring a lot of fair points that make big part of your complains pretty much irrelevant/ hold no value. If you want to bit through your way out of every situation when you are clearly proven wrong by applying your own logic as it often suits you then it really might downgrade experience of arguing for many people, more people might start to put you on ignore lists.
I ignore none of the fair points. Even unfair points I acknowledge, though with disdain. And I don't apply my own logic. Logic is universal, not subjective.
@sabinis:
Even if you consider arrogant creating your own thread it could serve a role of improving other people experience from reading your posts here. I mean after you get to disucss faults to lenghts that satisfy you you would be able to come back with more "substance" to your posts. Not applying same logic over and over and being replied by different people. Not every opinion has to be, should be or can be formulated instantly.
True.
@sabinis:
After effort that was made to argue with you by Robzilla by biggest part you should really at least change a bit your way of epressing opinion when it comes to faults and it should bend your expectations from work of fiction.
This one, I'm not sure what you mean.
@sabinis:
One Piece is not made to entertain as study material for people that picked your way of life but its a piece of entertaining quality manga and it should be seen as such and judged as such.
Were you under impression I was not judging it as a manga?
@sabinis:
There is a saying that "If you will judge fish by its ability to climb a tree itll spend its life believing that it is stupid" - same can be applied to expectations towards manga that you have. I have read plenty series, I have not meet one that would live up to expectations you have towards those.
My expectations are build upon what I've read of One Piece thus far, nothing less, nothing more. If the quality continues to decline, so will my expectations.
@sabinis:
Can you name best manga in your opinion? The one that has least amount of faults?
Fullmetal Alchemist comes closest when it comes to Shonens. Fate/Zero for anime adaptations.
@sabinis:
Expectations towards different works of fiction should variate depending on subject it takes on and if its shonen/ seinen etc. Your expectations as far as it goes for shonen are beyond what seinens offer, think about it. Going for such lengths in criticizing it while not acknowledging plenty as you are shown by replies means that there is something that can be improved on your side. Ignorance and twisting everything so it suits your argument or denying some things will not help you forever.
I have seen plenty of Shonens offer me what I expect from One Piece.
For example, Doflamingo is described as ruthless monster, and fits the definition of psychopath almost perfectly. We never see him act on it in the present storyline, we just are informed he is bad.
Spoilers for Majin Tantei Nōgami Neuro. A Shonen manga.
! When Sicks first appeared in the manga, it was by revealing himself to be an interpole officer. You know how he posed as said officer? He tortured him for information of every aspect of his live, then peeled off the skin from his skull to wear it as a mask. And it was portrayed as casual act for him.
See, this is what I expect from my psychopathic character in Shonen manga. Demographic, contrary to what you people are saying, is not constraining Oda nearly as much as some of you would like to believe.
@sabinis:
Are you perhaps by big part after attention and you are afraid you might not get as much in your own thread? Why not to try it?
You dont get all attention because you are exceptionally right, you get it because people want to take you off from your rails of "cho cho too high expectations form mangas in general train" as you are somehow limiting yourself to real life logics being applied to manga and then elaborating how it obviously fails to deliver according to logic applied. It will bring you infinite fuel to complaining for eternity when it comes to One Piece - are you after that? Its easy to complain Darth, its not easy to think things through by angle of finding both pros and cons in long run. Faults are far easier and obvious to point out if you dont spend time on looking more into things, not appreciate whole picture.
Do you even know what logic is? Abstractions have nothing to do with logic. Man eating a fruit to become a rubber man is logical within the established rules of the universe. Logic is the ability to create something that internaly consistent, not some weird real world standarts.
And the main reason I'm thinking of creating said topic is because I care more for actual arguments than stupid "You are complaining for the sake of complaining" comments that are valueless.