Salt and madness, I love it. I like both Sabo and Law and would LOVE for Sabo to start ROFLSTOMPING some more.
Chapter 779: "Final Fight"
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Ah, but isn't it wonderful? A good chapter, completly ruined because you know author is unwilling to break away from his established patterns?
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Salt and madness, I love it. I like both Sabo and Law and would LOVE for Sabo to start ROFLSTOMPING some more.
Well as I liked chapter a lot but I dont like idea of Sabo being a man to take care of Trebol- bit too obvious for Oda to pit fire logia against guy that is weak to fire so as long as that danger mentioned by Koala is Burgess Im happy, if not I will see what Oda will do..
Don't underestimate Koala.
We seen absolutely nothing from her and Robin stopping Hakuba was only thanks to her ability.
Koala was hinted to be under Hack(my impression) and he was easily dealth with by Bartolomeo who seemed to be capable of only defending himself from Hakuba(I see Hakuba as somebody more dangrous than Bartolomeo or at least around same). So I cannot see Koala after one line of hype from Sabo being capable of dealing with likes of Hakuba.
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Just a thought regarding Koala's side of the action : last time we saw inside the palace, all the KO'ed executives of the family were there. Could be that Burgess is on his way to harvest their DFs (or already has) and doesn't give a sh*t about Luffy vs Mingo. That or he's coming for the Ope-Ope. It would make for a good drama if Doflamingo's fall resulted in a huge power boost for the BB pirates.
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Ah, but isn't it wonderful? A good chapter, completly ruined because you know author is unwilling to break away from his established patterns?
Darth…are you complaining again?:ninja:
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Another break? Fuck
We usually get a break after 3 weeks now, apparently from what I read its a mandatory break from his editor.
Good chapter, Bellamy really got redeemed in a good way this arc, felt good to read his character this arc.
I guess Sabo and Burgess might be ending their fight also or meet again atleast.
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Oh and one more thing that I forgot to mention earlier:
I REALLY loved the colorspread since Pizza is my #1 favorite food in the whole damn world! :D
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It's probably the CP-0's that Kola's talking about. She wasn't a bit intimidated by Burgess, when Sabo was fighting him in the coliseum. Luffy's now tired, injured and screwed in the head. Great.
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Darth…are you complaining again?:ninja:
About Oda trying to make death of characters into meaningful cliffhanger? Oh yes.
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Oh and one more thing that I forgot to mention earlier:
I REALLY loved the colorspread since Pizza is my #1 favorite food in the whole damn world! :D
Really? It was well-drawn as usual but i found it pretty unmemorable otherwise.
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It's probably the CP-0's that Kola's talking about. She wasn't a bit intimidated by Burgess, when Sabo was fighting him in the coliseum. Luffy's now tired, injured and screwed in the head. Great.
Apparently they left the island, so doubt it.
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About Oda trying to make death of characters into meaningful cliffhanger? Oh yes.
Buddy, it was the final thing in what was a pretty good chapter overall.
Also, bear in mind that the majority of the people who read this manga aren't people like us who analyze it over and over.
To the majority of readers, this is a genuine cliffhanger that will have them cursing the break next week.
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About Oda trying to make death of characters into meaningful cliffhanger? Oh yes.
How many times can we be baited by Law's death before Oda's forced to follow through?
This one's got no chance though. No way such an important character gets offed off-screen. Mingo's clearly taunting Law and it's just a cheesy cliffhanger to not how Law grimacing and covered in blood.
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Well, I re-read the chapter just now, and I can finally formulate an opinion.
Short version: I didn't like it.
Long version: You will have to wait for that one, I'm finishing Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro. Last ten chapters. And I actually do like that one, so… yeah.
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Buddy, it was the final thing in what was a pretty good chapter overall.
Also, bear in mind that the majority of the people who read this manga aren't people like us who analyze it over and over.
To the majority of readers, this is a genuine cliffhanger that will have them cursing the break next week.
On here as well. Is he genuinely dead is not really the question, just how near death is he. Is he out, still capable of showing resistance in the end, did his other limbs get cut off etc. Plenty of questions make this a suitable cliffhanger.
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Well, I re-read the chapter just now, and I can finally formulate an opinion.
Short version: I didn't like it.
Long version: You will have to wait for that one, I'm finishing Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro. Last ten chapters. And I actually do like that one, so… yeah.
We do not want your long version, please spare us.
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Apparently they left the island, so doubt it.
Power of suggestion
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About Oda trying to make death of characters into meaningful cliffhanger? Oh yes.
Yeah, not one of his best ideas.
Depending on how this goes down, this could become a Pell situations, only for me I would actually be bothered by it unlike the Pell situation(though Bellamy might become the Pell this arc, which would still be a problem for me). You have Mansherry on the island, which takes away any suspense of the characters dying, especially when you have her shown in the same chapter, and mention that "others" would need it more. Gee, I wonder who the "others" could be. I wouldn't mind an asspull with that power, if we learned of it later. Since we know about it, the suspense is killed. Oda is making it hard for me to make a cohesive argument in favor of this arc with how certain things have been tied up lately.
Even with that in mind, I still loved the Bellamy stuff, and can say I liked his character this arc overall. While him being dead in the end would be best, it won't ruin things completely. Law on the other hand, I'll save that for when everything is finished.
Liked seeing what everyone else was doing now that the final battle is on the horizon. Despite the terrible scans and the order, it was good overall.
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We do not want your long version, please spare us.
Actually, I will note that I have been told by people repeatedly that they enjoy fact that I look at things differently.
Perhaps because it isn't as dull as people saying over, and over, and over, and over "This is good, I like that, Oda is a genius that can do no wrong". Just a thought.
Please stop speaking for everyone, thank you.
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Modest nature Zorro is too strong for impish Pica.
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I reckon law isn't dead but near death and is lying there missing limbs and bleeding but is actually alive.
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Buddy, it was the final thing in what was a pretty good chapter overall.
Also, bear in mind that the majority of the people who read this manga aren't people like us who analyze it over and over.
To the majority of readers, this is a genuine cliffhanger that will have them cursing the break next week.
For the majority readers will this even be a cliffhanger when it is in vol format ?
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So Luffy killed Bellamy? cause its going to be shame if Bellamy will turned to be alive!?
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So Luffy killed Bellamy? cause its going to be shame if Bellamy will turned to be alive!?
Like people gets killed by getting punched in the face.
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How many times can we be baited by Law's death before Oda's forced to follow through?
This one's got no chance though. No way such an important character gets offed off-screen. Mingo's clearly taunting Law and it's just a cheesy cliffhanger to not how Law grimacing and covered in blood.
Also with it being Manga Panda, you have to wonder if that was even the correct thing. I don't know enough about translation issues and everything, but there is a chance, however slight, that Manga Panda made that statement at the end to hype things up. I have doubts it's the case though.
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I didn't like that end… We all know that Law isn't going to die. No point in it.
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Uuugh, I get the Tontattas, but plz Rebecca stop calling him Lucy.
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Buddy, it was the final thing in what was a pretty good chapter overall.
Also, bear in mind that the majority of the people who read this manga aren't people like us who analyze it over and over.
To the majority of readers, this is a genuine cliffhanger that will have them cursing the break next week.
To the majority of readers, Bleach and Naruto are good mangas, full of action and good plots, with interesting characters.
That is, if you want to go by the lowest common denominator.
Honestly. That's a half-hearted argument, comming from you. I'm not everybody, I'm not majority. I won't let go of this opinion of mine simply because of the volume of the people screaming "You are wrong, this is awesome".
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Like people gets killed by getting punched in the face.
Its not the issue Luffy said he will die if he keep fighting and Bellamy told also that he want to be killed by someone he respects and Luffy got rage like he killed someone.
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Like people gets killed by getting punched in the face.
When we are talking about the guy who shatters stones with his casual grip?
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To the majority of readers, Bleach and Naruto are good mangas, full of action and good plots, with interesting characters.
That is, if you want to go by the lowest common denominator.
Honestly. That's a half-hearted argument, comming from you. I'm not everybody, I'm not majority. I won't let go of this opinion of mine simply because of the volume of the people screaming "You are wrong, this is awesome".
Rob's point is probably that the target audience (preteens - teens) in Japan will probably be in suspense over the cliffhanger, meaning it fits its purpose just fine.
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Its not the issue Luffy said he will die if he keep fighting and Bellamy told also that he want to be killed by someone he respects and Luffy got rage like he killed someone.
Luffy knocked him out.
He is not fighting anymore.
He is not gonna die.
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Also with it being Manga Panda, you have to wonder if that was even the correct thing. I don't know enough about translation issues and everything, but there is a chance, however slight, that Manga Panda made that statement at the end to hype things up. I have doubts it's the case though.
Doesn't seem too likely, given that both spoiler translations we had basically said the same thing. You're free to wait for a
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do a mingo mahn .
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We have One Piece standards and Mansherry there. Come on.
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Doesn't seem too likely, given that both spoiler translations we had basically said the same thing. You're free to wait for a
bettermore colloquial translation but it feels like MangaPanda accurately captured the spirit and intention of the quote and the rest of the chapter, even if they did screwed up the execution.I figured as much. Seems like if anything is screwed up, it might be minor translation issues, such as the Sabo/Issho victory. I don't think it would've been as bad if there wasn't a break next week.
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Rob's point is probably that the target audience (preteens - teens) in Japan will probably be in suspense over the cliffhanger, meaning it fits its purpose just fine.
True. And I'll acknowledge the talent of Oda to appeal to his target demographic at any day of the month.
At the same time, it doesn't make it any better for me, does it?
Also, I wonder if the teens are really that dumb as you consider them, to not notice the patterns this obvious, but that's beside the point.
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Luffy knocked him out.
He is not fighting anymore.
He is not gonna die.
Get it?Yes, we get it. We have been presented with false dilema for several chapters, because Bellamy was never going to die anyways.
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I'll be the rare guy who didn't like the Jaya throwback in this chapter. Partly because I kind of wish Oda didn't feel the need to throwback for the sake of it. I get what he was trying to do. Same scene on the surface, something very different beneath it. But it feels very much like pandering to our nostalgia when there was no need for it. A more gritty and understated scene would have been a better fit in my eyes. There was no need to dramatize this situation so much, but I'll get to that in a moment.
So this Bellamy conundrum is over. I'd rate it as a half success. I'm a rather big fan of Bellamy's character change and his motives. He's been a surprise hit in this arc. But the way Luffy has reacted to it, the way the drama has played out, is dragging my enjoyment down. I'm giving it a little bit of leeway because, though I usually steer away from the argument, I believe the weekly waits have made it feel more draggy than it really was. But the real issue is that Luffy's behavior doesn't feel in character. That's bad in and of itself, and it in turn makes the drama feel forced. This doesn't feel like the Luffy who respects other's decisions to put their lives on the line as pirates. This doesn't feel like the Luffy who smashed Coby's face in and left him unconscious in the middle of a war because he turned his fangs on him, doing so with the knowledge that his life is at risk but that following his resolve is worth it. I'm not going to pretend I went into this with high flying optimism as Luffy's behavior has generally irked me to no end since the timeskip and this doesn't help matters. But I believe my concerns are legitimate and not just the product of a long running disillusionment with the series.
I generally don't mind the "will they die?" type tension devices. We know it's very likely that no one actually will, but that doesn't mean it's not a very real concern for the characters. The only problem I'll have here is if it turns out Bellamy would have survived even without Manshelly's magic healing. That would be another blow to the credibility of the situation considering that the idea that Bellamy would die if he got hit again, and he just took a massive Hardened Gear Second punch, was a big springing point.
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Panda be asking a dead man if he's dead, that's so like me..
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I really wish Bellamy would die. I like the guy, but I think it might be good for Luffy's development.
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- Very nice chapter, loads of pleasant clips.
- MangaPanda WTF again!?!?
- Told you guys Luffy would have demolished Bellamy with a punch. Otherwise no respect for a, so called, friend.
- Really… Country war, almost impossible noone of the important active participants will actually die...
- I think it's Hakuba.
- Bartolomeo one of us.
- Kyros future king. He's a bawss.
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Knowing Oda's hard-on for Law, not only he will not die (duh), but he'll actually get up and fight…Mark my words.
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Who asked if Law was dead in that conversation?
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I think Trebol is the one asking it… Of course only if the translation is correct
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I wonder which one is going to be worse: Finding out that psychopathic killer Doflamingo is incapable of killing half dead Law, or if Law actually been killed and Oda is going to break his long policy and revive him with the dwarf princess.
Place your bets now!
I don’t think number 2 is an option. And number 1 is lame so I don’t really know where Oda wants to go with this.
He can do it but that would contradict himself."I hate the revival of dead in manga." Playboy (2007) (Oda)
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I'll be the rare guy who didn't like the Jaya throwback. I kind of wish Oda didn't feel the need to throwback for the sake of it. I get what he was trying to do. Same scene on the surface, something very different beneath it. But it feels very much like pandering to our nostalgia when there was no need for it. A more gritty and understated scene would have been a better fit in my eyes. There was no need to dramatize this situation so much, but I'll get to that in a moment.
So this Bellamy conundrum is over. I'd rate it as a half success. I'm a rather big fan of Bellamy's character change and his motives. He's been a surprise hit in this arc. But the way Luffy has reacted to it, the way the drama has played out, is dragging my enjoyment down. I'm giving it a little bit of leeway because, though I usually steer away from the argument, I believe the weekly waits have made it feel more draggy than it really was. But the real issue is that Luffy's behavior doesn't feel in character. That's bad in and of itself, and it in turn makes the drama feel forced. This doesn't feel like the Luffy who respects other's decisions to put their lives on the line as pirates. This doesn't feel like the Luffy who smashed Coby's face in and left him unconscious in the middle of a war because he turned his fangs on him, doing so with the knowledge that his life is at risk but that following his resolve is worth it. I'm not going to pretend I went into this with high flying optimism as Luffy's behavior has generally irked me to no end since the timeskip and this doesn't help matters. But I believe my concerns are legitimate and not just the product of a long running disillusionment with the series.
I generally don't mind the "will they die?" type tension devices. The only problem I'll have here is if it turns out Bellamy would have survived even without Manshelly's magic healing. That would be another blow to the credibility of the situation considering that the idea that Bellamy would die if he got hit again, and he just took a massive Hardened Gear Second punch, was a big springing point.
Cody was never going to die from a punch luffy gave him and he was doing that of his own free will.
Bellamy is no where near the same , in a sense this is not Bellamy free will but a last attempt to hold on to what little pride he has left .
Don said the weak can't chose how to die and this is Bellamy way of fighting it. -
Also, I wonder if the teens are really that dumb as you consider them, to not notice the patterns this obvious, but that's beside the point.
I really doubt that.
Good guy Oda, explains why Zoro Hardened his swords so you people don't need to ask questions about it or wonder about the point of it.
Dumb guy Kyros, just let her heal your wounds so we can see if she can regenerate limbs, FFS. :getlost:
Guess there was no other way for Luffy to resolve the situation, other than to knock Bellamy out. But he's probably not dying. Otherwise Luffy would look a lot angrier.
Who in their right mind would think Bellamy would turn out like this after Jaya?Law is dead? I doubt Dofla would kill him that easilly when there's a chance his life's goal could be accomplished. Or that he would be so happy to see he's back to 0 with his immortality plan. Maybe he can make him look dead with Parasite, or he can make a string clone of Law that looks dead.
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I'll be the rare guy who didn't like the Jaya throwback. I kind of wish Oda didn't feel the need to throwback for the sake of it. I get what he was trying to do. Same scene on the surface, something very different beneath it. But it feels very much like pandering to our nostalgia when there was no need for it. A more gritty and understated scene would have been a better fit in my eyes. There was no need to dramatize this situation so much, but I'll get to that in a moment.
So this Bellamy conundrum is over. I'd rate it as a half success. I'm a rather big fan of Bellamy's character change and his motives. He's been a surprise hit in this arc. But the way Luffy has reacted to it, the way the drama has played out, is dragging my enjoyment down. I'm giving it a little bit of leeway because, though I usually steer away from the argument, I believe the weekly waits have made it feel more draggy than it really was. But the real issue is that Luffy's behavior doesn't feel in character. That's bad in and of itself, and it in turn makes the drama feel forced. This doesn't feel like the Luffy who respects other's decisions to put their lives on the line as pirates. This doesn't feel like the Luffy who smashed Coby's face in and left him unconscious in the middle of a war because he turned his fangs on him, doing so with the knowledge that his life is at risk but that following his resolve is worth it. I'm not going to pretend I went into this with high flying optimism as Luffy's behavior has generally irked me to no end since the timeskip and this doesn't help matters. But I believe my concerns are legitimate and not just the product of a long running disillusionment with the series.
I generally don't mind the "will they die?" type tension devices. The only problem I'll have here is if it turns out Bellamy would have survived even without Manshelly's magic healing. That would be another blow to the credibility of the situation considering that the idea that Bellamy would die if he got hit again, and he just took a massive Hardened Gear Second punch, was a big springing point.
I'm ok with his general behavior as of late, but yeah it did have that forceful feel to it. I don't mind him hitting Bellamy, since Luffy decided there was no getting to him, and decided to take him out honorably. He probably decided that sitting around any longer would be a bad idea. The Jaya throwback is Iffy. I thought is was kind of nice to show the huge difference between them still, but the impact in Jaya was bigger because of how much of a dick he was then. Bellamy is not the terrible person he was, so having a throwback to it is slightly jarring. I would say it might contain some symbolism, but it would be half-assed at best, and contradict my stance on symbolism in shonen manga.