BB vs Sabo would be sooo Ace 2.0 with the possibility of a bigger conflict with the revos and stuff.
how about keeping Sabo away from all that Aceness??
BB vs Sabo would be sooo Ace 2.0 with the possibility of a bigger conflict with the revos and stuff.
how about keeping Sabo away from all that Aceness??
While I expect the rest of the crew to get strategic, I don't really think Luffy will ever plan anything in a battle.
Rather, he will probably just stack gears.
I would really like to see a jet elephant gatling completely annihilating Mingo along with the Castle and the BirdCage.
Don't forget that sabo learned to fight without a df for many years . . . He has a very good grasp on haki which ace did not. If ace had haki to the same extent that Sabo does, he probably could have beat preTS blackbeard
How do you know that?
I wonder if Doflamingo got the memo that the more Luffy gets beaten up, the more ferocious he gets.
If not, it is he who is in for a rude awakeningbeating.
I can't wait to see what excuse the WG comes up with to justify Doflamingo's actions in Dressrosa for the past ten years once his Shichibukai status is removed.
I can't wait to see what excuse the WG comes up with to justify Doflamingo's actions in Dressrosa for the past ten years once his Shichibukai status is removed.
Tis simple, if you approach it logicaly: We have investigated Doflamingo, and we have found about his activities. Unfortunately, before we could act upon it, our agents we turned into toys. Therefore, we cannot be held liable for it.
Not like anybody can argue against it, unless they want citizens to be held accountable too.
While I expect the rest of the crew to get strategic, I don't really think Luffy will ever plan anything in a battle.
Rather, he will probably just stack gears.
I would really like to see a jet elephant gatling completely annihilating Mingo along with the Castle and the BirdCage.
A meteor, if landed at full force would probably wipe out that island.
Birdcage: Nope
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BB vs Sabo would be sooo Ace 2.0 with the possibility of a bigger conflict with the revos and stuff.
how about keeping Sabo away from all that Aceness??
I read acnes :(
@DHL:
A meteor, if landed at full force would probably wipe out that island.
Birdcage: Nope
Even without G2, Luffy almost destroyed an Island sized ship.
On the other hand Meteors of OPU are nothing as dangerous as their real world counterparts. If they were, Dressrosa along with most of the grand line would have been obliterated by the very first meteor brought down by Fujitora.
I am not saying it's definite Luffy will be the one destroying BirdCage. But he is certainly capable enough.
You didn't get it? I means that she was the first human we seen getting sun pirates symbol on her back and ends being the first human we also see being a fishman karate master.
So? I see no irony considering her story
I am not saying it's definite Luffy will be the one destroying BirdCage. But he is certainly capable enough.
He will be destroying Birdcage by proxy. Namely, by beating the shit out of Flamingo.
Luffy will free the Flamingo!
I think I might just cry when such a liberating scene results. What fortunate turn of events Doffy!
Anyway, I hope Trebol doesn't get disposed of in a matter of panels, at the very least make his end less embarrasing than Diamante's.
I had a thought I mean he could be shown skewered but what if dofladickus went ultra dick mode and brought back the white lead disease law had by being like 'lead everywhere' like yooo.
I need more sleep.
Tis simple, if you approach it logicaly: We have investigated Doflamingo, and we have found about his activities. Unfortunately, before we could act upon it, our agents we turned into toys. Therefore, we cannot be held liable for it.
Not like anybody can argue against it, unless they want citizens to be held accountable too.
Why did WG allow a pirate to be king of dressrosa in the first place for 10 years? Ignoring toys and the underworld sutff he was doing in this country
The other thing I was thinking… is that if Mansherry's tears have the power to heal/reverse damage, could it have a reverse effect on DF users? I mean could they lose their powers? Would be a great twist.
@uniaka:
Why did WG allow a pirate to be king of dressrosa in the first place for 10 years? Ignoring toys and the underworld sutff he was doing in this country
…because he's a Shichibukai?
This is the whole reason that Fuji wants the system abolished.
It's almost like he had WG by the balls with some secret he knew.
Wait…
The other thing I was thinking… is that if Mansherry's tears have the power to heal/reverse damage, could it have a reverse effect on DF users? I mean could they lose their powers? Would be a great twist.
Didn't Manshelly heal Sugar?
On the topic of Blackbeard versus Sabo, current Blackbeard would Yami Yami Ace 2.0 and Gura Gura him to bits if you know what I mean…..
Didn't Manshelly heal Sugar?
Guess you're right, that's another theory thrown out the window! I still think Oda will introduce the concept of killing DF powers for good, not this arc but at some point.
On the topic of Blackbeard versus Sabo, current Blackbeard would Yami Yami Ace 2.0 and Gura Gura him to bits if you know what I mean…..
I don't know, Ace 1.0 was just a cocky logia unlike Sabo.
@uniaka:
Why have the Shichibukai system in the first place. If previous events would not be enough, Dressrosa should make people ask even more, why keep the warlords since they only bring trouble?
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Maybe BB would win, but he would still give BB more trouble then Ace 1.0. Ace was cocky logia, BB was the perfect counter for him. Sabo himself just got a DF, it's not his main power, and likely his B Haki is at a great level.
If anything, A good haki user would stand a better chance at BB then a DF user. After the 2 years, BB could not even need to hold the user to stop his power, maybe he can do a room like law that stops your DF power if you are in it.
I think you underestimate BB significantly. BB is the final villain in One Piece, and from Shonen logic, that should put him at the very top. According to you, Sabo can take on Prime Whitebeard and win, which is a rather laughable comment if I say so myself, but I digress. I know you hate Blackbeard and don't think him to be that strong at all, but I can assure you, Blackbeard would crush Ace 2.0's skull in.
@uniaka:
Why did WG allow a pirate to be king of dressrosa in the first place for 10 years? Ignoring toys and the underworld sutff he was doing in this country
… Because as the Shichibukai, he gets a pardon, and citizens weren't in opposition of him being king?
And they weren't actually ignoring anything, which makes arguments about them being guilty of anything even more silly.
I think you underestimate BB significantly. BB is the final villain in One Piece, and from Shonen logic, that should put him at the very top. According to you, Sabo can take on Prime Whitebeard and win, which is a rather laughable comment if I say so myself, but I digress. I know you hate Blackbeard and don't think him to be that strong at all, but I can assure you, Blackbeard would crush Ace 2.0's skull in.
You wrong bro.
Sengoku's goat is the final villain.
I think you underestimate BB significantly. BB is the final villain in One Piece, and from Shonen logic, that should put him at the very top. According to you, Sabo can take on Prime Whitebeard and win, which is a rather laughable comment if I say so myself, but I digress. I know you hate Blackbeard and don't think him to be that strong at all, but I can assure you, Blackbeard would crush Ace 2.0's skull in.
It din't put him at very top from the start, maybe he isn't at the very top now and can get stronger? Like 3 DFs.
@uniaka:
It din't put him at very top from the start, maybe he isn't at the very top now and can get stronger? Like 3 DFs.
More devil fruits is a rather boring way to make someone stronger. I'd rather he used the full potential of the 2 he has now and maybe showed what it was that made him into a fighter Shanks warned Whitebeard about. He's physically strong and can tank a lot of attacks (but then again, so can Ussopp), but I'd like to see him move around more.
@uniaka:
It din't put him at very top from the start, maybe he isn't at the very top now and can get stronger? Like 3 DFs.
Regardless of how strong he was in the past, it is certain that Blackbeard is near the top in terms of strength now; he's a yonkou for crying out loud. Yonkou are in a state of detente with other Yonkou (yes, this means Shanks, Kaidou, and Big Mom are about as strong as Blackbeard) Yonkou are stronger than admirals (Whitebeard showed this rather clearly). Fujitora was an admiral. Fujitora was going easy on Sabo. What does this mean exactly? Current Blackbeard can beat Fujitora, and by the same logic, he would decimate Sabo, who is below Fujitora. Understand?
And they weren't actually ignoring anything, which makes arguments about them being guilty of anything even more silly.
Uhh yeah, but they're guilty of having the corrupt system in place in the first place.
You wrong bro.Sengoku's goat is the final villain.
True that. Pwngoat defeats Blackbeard, then Luffy, and becomes the protagonist.
Regardless of how strong he was in the past, it is certain that Blackbeard is near the top in terms of strength now; he's a yonkou for crying out loud. Yonkou are in a state of detente with other Yonkou (yes, this means Shanks, Kaidou, and Big Mom are about as strong as Blackbeard) Yonkou are stronger than admirals (Whitebeard showed this rather clearly). Fujitora was an admiral. Fujitora was going easy on Sabo. What does this mean exactly? Current Blackbeard can beat Fujitora, and by the same logic, he would decimate Sabo, who is below Fujitora. Understand?
one piece doesn't work this way…
Apperantly there's a vice admiral as strong as the admirals, "brown pig"
Any one know anything about this?
@uniaka:
About Doflamingo's parasite/spider web move that he used on Sanji, Jozu.
COO- don't think you can predict it, Sanji's special is COO and failed to see it.
Strength- Jozu has some top strength and wasn't able to break free of it, so this goes down too.
CoC- could be.
DF- maybe.
DD won't use it all- also likely.
We don't know if Sanji was using his CoO as he didn't really necessarily need to suspect something like the invisible way DD's strings could work.
And with Jozu, seems more didn't, not actually 'wasn't able to'. Seeing as don't think Oda focused enough after the capture to indicate whether Jozu could, or couldn't have gotten out. With Oda focusing on a few POV's while still jumping around to what might've been less important at the time; he just seemed to illustrate similar situations to where they were left off, ( i. e. - Franky vs Señor in the background being mostly the same moves). Neither do we know how much time passed, as with Luffy still seemed to take a while to get free, while Jozu, and Sanji were never really given that time; besides DD's string is tough but don't see it cutting thru Jozu's diamond so he should have had some time to at least put more effort into escaping.
Doffy's been characterizing Luffy as a raging beast and he specializes in taunting and manipulating his opponents. Luffy's going to have to think of a strategy during the fight to overcome Dos Amigos and prove him wrong.
Could see that being possible.
But you know… none of it is actually explored, now, is it?
Luffy and Doffy have no relation to speak off. It's the classical shonen "You hurt people I like, I'm gonna beat you up" plot that we have seen thousands of times.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that particular way of doing things is bad in and of itself, just that... well, Doffy seems to have had some degree of depth in the past, and sacrificing it for said classic shonen way of doing things seems wasteful.
Gotta ask out of curiosity, hear people saythis but never got it, what was his depth in the past?
Even before the reveal would've summarized his personality as "extremely spoiled brat used to getting things his way but also had to fight for some stuff but still maintains that childish sense of entitlement". Seems Oda pretty much perfectly matched things to some similar idea?
Hmm, do you figure this will actually happen? Luffy had straight up overpowered every opponent thus far head on, and Oda is an animal of habits; I don't think he is willing to change that.
… I dunno, maybe? I feel like another lucky coincedance is more likely though.
OverPowered?….
Hmmmn, eh, w. e........
So Luffy has overpowered(?) Hodi, Ceaser, and the tournament, ( every opponent thus far), and he shouldn't have? Is there some problem with that I'm not seeing?
And hasn't the none overpowering way Oda has treated Luffy vs DD so far counter your supposed pattern?
… Because as the Shichibukai, he gets a pardon, and citizens weren't in opposition of him being king?
And they weren't actually ignoring anything, which makes arguments about them being guilty of anything even more silly.
Never heard described as a "pardon", more as being allowed to still pirate, and remove their former bounty,with some limits. And you're telling me the WG/ Marines have sanctioned killing of rulers, and "weak armies"; yet they can't just 'say no' to allowing 1 of their known Shichibukai to become a king, of a founding member of their system in the 1st place, ( not including blackmail)?
Regardless of how strong he was in the past, it is certain that Blackbeard is near the top in terms of strength now; he's a yonkou for crying out loud. Yonkou are in a state of detente with other Yonkou (yes, this means Shanks, Kaidou, and Big Mom are about as strong as Blackbeard) Yonkou are stronger than admirals (Whitebeard showed this rather clearly). Fujitora was an admiral. Fujitora was going easy on Sabo. What does this mean exactly? Current Blackbeard can beat Fujitora, and by the same logic, he would decimate Sabo, who is below Fujitora. Understand?
Whitebeard only showed that HE was stronger than admirals, and he wasn't even that far.
I'm not really a fan of dumbing things down like this.
Regardless of how strong he was in the past, it is certain that Blackbeard is near the top in terms of strength now; he's a yonkou for crying out loud. Yonkou are in a state of detente with other Yonkou (yes, this means Shanks, Kaidou, and Big Mom are about as strong as Blackbeard) Yonkou are stronger than admirals (Whitebeard showed this rather clearly). Fujitora was an admiral. Fujitora was going easy on Sabo. What does this mean exactly? Current Blackbeard can beat Fujitora, and by the same logic, he would decimate Sabo, who is below Fujitora. Understand?
Someone made this post and not once during the process of composition thought, "wait, this is asinine and not at all how One Piece works".
Regardless of how strong he was in the past, it is certain that Blackbeard is near the top in terms of strength now; he's a yonkou for crying out loud. Yonkou are in a state of detente with other Yonkou (yes, this means Shanks, Kaidou, and Big Mom are about as strong as Blackbeard) Yonkou are stronger than admirals (Whitebeard showed this rather clearly). Fujitora was an admiral. Fujitora was going easy on Sabo. What does this mean exactly? Current Blackbeard can beat Fujitora, and by the same logic, he would decimate Sabo, who is below Fujitora. Understand?
Hahaha nice one buddy!
@Galaxy:
Uhh yeah, but they're guilty of having the corrupt system in place in the first place.
Shichibukai system is ineffective and easily exploitable, but not corrupt. At least, not according to any definition of corruption I know.
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@LUFFYSMC:
OverPowered?….
Hmmmn, eh, w. e........So Luffy has overpowered(?) Hodi, Ceaser, and the tournament, ( every opponent thus far), and he shouldn't have? Is there some problem with that I'm not seeing?
And hasn't the none overpowering way Oda has treated Luffy vs DD so far counter your supposed pattern?
No, because it's his usual pattern with villains. Luffy will meet with the main antagonist of the arc, and loses, more or less severely. Sometimes, he meets with them twice, and loses more or less severely. After which, we have the second (or is some cases third) confrontation, in which Luffy overpowers enemy with his fighting power and willpower.
Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moria… every major arc villain since we entered Grand Line followed this patter.
@LUFFYSMC:
Never heard described as a "pardon", more as being allowed to still pirate, and remove their former bounty,with some limits. And you're telling me the WG/ Marines have sanctioned killing of rulers, and "weak armies"; yet they can't just 'say no' to allowing 1 of their known Shichibukai to become a king, of a founding member of their system in the 1st place, ( not including blackmail)?
Serving unde Shichibukai was described as giving full pardon, as long as you serve.
And yes, they are conditionaly pardoned. They are not pirates, they are privateers. As long as they don't do anything against goverment, their bounties are taken away. What exactly more do you need to constitute pardon?
Also, Doflamingo is member of the founding families. Riku's aren't. He has the support of the citizens. He is, by all accounts, doing what he was obligated to do: Protecting WG interests, and their citizens. He has a pardon.
Yes, they could probably stop him, but why would they? Stop talking from the perspective of all knowing reader and think a bit, will ya?
Also, is the concept of resocialisation alien to you, for some reason?
Sometimes, more or less, in some case….not a pattern.
Shichibukai system is ineffective and easily exploitable, but not corrupt. At least, not according to any definition of corruption I know.
This fits the very definition of corruption, as it's mainly used to continue illegal activities "legally", and most of it is overlooked by the World Government (who are also very much corrupt, and only really step in if the incident is too big to cover up).
Sometimes, more or less, in some case….not a pattern.
It is, when the same things are happening, though in a different degree.
The fact that the first loss to Enel isn't as severe as the first loss to Crocodile, doesn't change the fact it all follows the same patter: Luffy loses once, or twice, Luffy overpowers opponent in straight fight.
The fact that the first loss to Enel isn't as severe as the first loss to Crocodile, doesn't change the fact it all follows the same patter: Luffy loses once, or twice, Luffy overpowers opponent in straight fight.
Luffy didn't "lose" to Enel, but rather was tricked into falling off the ship. Then he caught up to the Maxim and knocked out Enel in one hit and rang the bell.
Same thing with Moriah. He was tricked into the forest, and then Moriah ran away using his power (and then the final fight is pretty much a combination of Straw Hat efforts).
The way you're describing this "pattern" is very barebones.
one piece doesn't work this way…
How does it not work 'that way'. Of course, match ups aren't decided by strength alone and devil fruit powers spice thing up in terms of who beats who, but in the end, there is a certain 'regimented' fixture in terms of power scaling in One Piece. All I'm saying here is that Blackbeard, by proxy of being a Yonkou, and the final villain at that, is more likely than not one of the strongest individuals in the world. He would not, under any circumstance outside of plot induced stupidity lose to freakin Sabo…. Why do people find what I said so inane and stupid.
@Galaxy:
This fits the very definition of corruption, as it's mainly used to continue illegal activities "legally", and most of it is overlooked by the World Government (who are also very much corrupt, and only really step in if the incident is too big to cover up).
No, corruption on the part of goverment would require A) Knowledge, B) Approval, usually for private gain.
And PARTS of the goverment being corrupt (small parts, mind you), don't put legal responsibility on the whole thing, dammit. And guilt by association is a fallacy.
@Galaxy:
This fits the very definition of corruption, as it's mainly used to continue illegal activities "legally", and most of it is overlooked by the World Government (who are also very much corrupt, and only really step in if the incident is too big to cover up).
That only happened with Doflamingo, and only because of his special connections and blackmail.
The rest of them weren't exactly conducting their illegal businesses with WG's blessing. Crocodile was searching for ancient weapon and was trying to become a new king of WG affiliated country. Ended up in jail. Mihawk and Moria take care of pirates. Boa too. Kuma followed orders all the time. Jinbe probably wasn't doing anything against WG either.
Luffy loses once, or twice, Luffy overpowers opponent in straight fight.
As long as you need "or" it isn't a pattern IMO.
As long as you need "or" it isn't a pattern IMO.
How come? The important part is that he loses before he can win.
@Galaxy:
Luffy didn't "lose" to Enel, but rather was tricked into falling off the ship. Then he caught up to the Maxim and knocked out Enel in one hit and rang the bell.
Depends how you qualify a loss then.
@Galaxy:
Same thing with Moriah. He was tricked into the forest, and then Moriah ran away using his power (and then the final fight is pretty much a combination of Straw Hat efforts).
Again. And I don't recall the final part of the fight being combination effort. What I remember is everybody pretty much was done by the time Luffy arrived.
@Galaxy:
The way you're describing this "pattern" is very barebones.
Not like there is some incredible debt to find in every little thing Oda does.
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As long as you need "or" it isn't a pattern IMO.
As long as regularity is there, is it a pattern.
How come? The important part is that he loses before he can win.
The important part is that he is "stalled" before he can win, usually to let other stuff happen.
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