What if the burger patty had a Vergo-shaped cancerous growth and Law had to operate on it?
Chapter 759: Secret Plan
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Everything would be better if we were to get our weekly chapter tomorrow morning. Still can't get used to it.
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My prediction for the next cover instalment; Jimbe saves drowning Vergo
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@Myu:
Everything would be better if we were to get our weekly chapter tomorrow morning. Still can't get used to it.
I know what you mean lol even though its a day late, it messes everything up.
we'll get used it to in due time.
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So, finally the proper fight against Doflamingo takes off. Doflamingo probably regrets just tossing everyone off the palace back when Law was still in cuffs…and that time when he just left Luffy, Zoro and Kinemon at the COlloseum. That whole "won't underestimate Straw Hats!" angle isn't reaylly working out for him.
Well, at least the choreography so far is entertaining, but this fight will, if any, surely cause an endless parade of "why didn't he's" to show up in the coming chapters; after all, it involves the Ope Ope and Ito Ito fruits. I'll just have to ignore the nagging voice asking why Law doesn't shuffle Doffy and Bellamys minds around, or impale Doffy like he did Smoker, or why Doffy doesn't at least try for a Parasite on Luffy
and/or Law themselves.What really strikes me though is how this encounter doesn't grab me on the emotional level. Here we are getting the first blows landed on the arcs Big Bad, and...I'm honestly not feeling it. Oda even used the reliable old trick of "The first major blow to the villain comes after a big display of dickishness, in order to maximise the emotional gratification", a trick he has used since the dawn of the series.
- Kuro is knocked down as he is about to attack Usopp, after mentally breaking the sweet Kaya like an asshole.
- Krieg getting his face punched in comes after gassing the possibly most interesting character of the arc, and Luffy grieveosly injures himself in order to land said hit.
- Luffy smacking Arlong into a wall comes right after Arlongs despicable betrayal of Nami, and the march on Arlong park.
- In the span of a single punch by Luffy we have the entire Chopper flashback, resulting in much increased weight to the following hit on Wapol.
- Enels epic facefault and subsequent gut-kick comes after he has concluded the battle royale with a display of borderline invincibility, taking down pretty much every major character of the arc (including several crewmembers), declared his intentions to destroy Skypea, and abducted Nami.
- Spandam gets shot in the face after an entire chapter of horribly abusing Robin.
- And of course, there was Crocodile, where this trope was executed so flawlessly that I barely need to mention it.
And this time around we have...Doffy abusing Bellamy.
Now, not to offend the appearantly large newfound fanbase for the guy but...I...really don't care that much. It is evil to be sure, and it sucks to be Bellamy, but Doffy mistreating his little fanboy was a thing 400 chapters ago (and getting diced by your second-in-command against his will ranks a bit higher on the Evilnes scale than getting what appears to be just another beating). Not helping is the fact that Bellamy has been MIA for such huge chunks of the arc; basically all he has done is show up to remind us "I'm a Doffy fanboy!" so we can feel sorry for him now. Even if his extremely limited paneltime was spent establishing that "I'm nice now Luffy!""Okay! Now we're friends!", it doesn't automatically translate to us sharing Luffys righteous anger, as opposed to when a truly prominent character in the arc is wronged.
And of course, Luffy kicking Bellamy in the face by mistake is so hilarious (judging by Luffys facefaults, maybe intentionally so) that it negates a lot of the tension present.But a much bigger issue contributing to my current lack of "Fuck yeah! Take down that evil sunnuvabitch!" feelings is the fact that: Doflamingo has already lost. He lost almost 30 chapters ago, when Caesar sailed off into unknown waters. Seeing Doffy mention the Punk Hazard events in the chinese scanlation I was hoping that Doffy would reveal some backup plan or failsafe, but no, he's just mad. And rightly so; what is the best case scenario here? Doffy kills all his enemies, reigns as king over a country populated by corpses, and a smile factory that can provide one final half-finished batch of Smile as a deterrent from Kaidos wrath? Then what?
Doffy has no plan. Doffy has no concrete villainous ambition he tries to achieve, which must be prevented by the heroes. Doffy is the captain of a rudderless, sinking ship which is also on fire, and the only reason he's fighting the Straw Hats in the first place is because they went out of the way to shake his tree and poke the bear...as a stepping stone in a scheme to take down another, bigger bear.
That doesn't seem quite fair to the second oldest villain of the manga, and it all keeps me from getting properly invested in the climax. At this point, I'm just hoping that Laws flashback at least will lend some weight to his revenge. It won't add any urgency to the fight, but would make Laws struggles more emotionally satisfying.Phew. Now I don't have to lug that around in my brain anymore! Good day to you all.
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Oh, maybe Doffy aquired Secret Agent fruit, and he wanted to create a perfect spy, so he carved a piece of steel to look precisely like human with his incredibly heavy on ulity powers, and then fed it the fruit?
Thus, he gave birth to his very own, artificial, Secret Agent Man!
Bravo!
I think the release will eventually be set back to as before, I think it happened couple years ago, where every chapter was released on Thursday and later it became Wednesday and then Tuesday.
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@Daz:
I can't get no satisfaction
I feel what you're saying about the punch lacking emotional payoff. Usually the villain has been gloating or goading a central character in the arc, but Bellamy is basically a tertiary character in Dressrosa. I like him, but we've barely seen him in the last 35 chapters!
Also not helping is that Luffy usually interrupts the villain with a big hit. Doflamingo isn't talking right before the punch, and the attack itself takes too much set-up to have that spontaneous "Luffy don't care" feeling.
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@Daz:
Doffy has no plan. Doffy has no concrete villainous ambition he tries to achieve, which must be prevented by the heroes. Doffy is the captain of a rudderless, sinking ship which is also on fire, and the only reason he's fighting the Straw Hats in the first place is because they went out of the way to shake his tree and poke the bear…as a stepping stone in a scheme to take down another, bigger bear. That doesn't seem quite fair to the second oldest villain of the manga, and it all keeps me from getting properly invested in the climax. At this point, I'm just hoping that Laws flashback at least will lend some weight to his revenge. It won't add any urgency to the fight, but would make Laws struggles more emotionally satisfying.
Good post. I've had similar thoughts about poor Doffy. He's on a sinking ship one way or the other. Perhaps in his head, he figures he can beat the answers out of these young'ens bothering him, and then go scoop up Caesar after he shows the whippersnappers why he should be feared.
As for the emotional impact behind the blow, I do admit it doesn't have the same "umph" that's typical with the moment. However, Oda has kind of been all over the place this arc. [Something I assume is designer to give the reader the same sense of chaos that is the current state of Dressrosa.] And ultimately, I don't expect to be invested into the fight until Dof beats up on Law a bit more, and we get a Law flashback. I assume this will leave Law in a place where he'll be left to deal with Trebol or vice versa, and then Luffy and Dof will duke it out 1 on 1.
This is a small side tangent, but Dof has been around for so long, that though he's trying not to underestimate Luffy and co, and I think he did a decent enough job of putting barriers in place to hinder Luffy's progress. Dof probably still looks at Law and Luffy as greenhorns, and this is a difficult concept to get over coming from Dof's p.o.v. However, I'm sure this first blow has opened up his eyes that it's time to take things seriously. The next chapter should be quite telling on the direction this fight will go. At least, this is my hope.
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I can't help but think that a lot of lack of emotions stems from how little is Doflamingo tied to Luffy.
It's the basic "You hurt my friends, so I will beat you up" plot, but it lacks impact somehow with how little interaction between the two were there thus far, and, going to be honest, Riku's are not very good characters and they don't resonate very well with me thus far, further hurting emotional core of the plot.
Doffy's stopped being a planner, and he all but admits simply wanting to kill everyone because he is mad. He gave in to his destructive, cruel tendencies, at the cost of being effective, I feel.
I do think that Oda is planning further development in that regards, but at the moment it does feel kinda… lackluster.
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@Daz:
Doflamingo probably regrets just tossing everyone off the palace back when Law was still in cuffs…...............That whole "won't underestimate Straw Hats!" angle isn't reaylly working out for him.
That was seriously the largest mistake he made and not really believable. Sure, he had to set up the Birdcage ASAP and couldnt spend the time fighting luffy, but then he should have let Pica made a stone dungeon for them or something like that, so that he can face them directly after. And he surely should have taken out Law even earlier.
Just tossing his two most dangerous opponents away like that when the situation has already completely gotten out of ontrol was extremely stupid.And rightly so; what is the best case scenario here? Doffy kills all his enemies, reigns as king over a country populated by corpses, and a smile factory that can provide one final half-finished batch of Smile as a deterrent from Kaidos wrath? Then what?
Doffy has no plan.I guess its to lure Law & Luffy and other topfighters to him, were he can personally deal with them with the help of Trebol. Meanwhile his other subordinates can take out all the other troublemakers. Then he can turn all the problematic elements with Sugars help into puppets again and hope to calm the situation with some bullshit explanation for the citizens. Or yes, just turn ALL the citizens into puppets and blame it later on someone else.
He just has to deal with the marines somehow and the admiral. I dont know how; maybe a surprise attack by Jora or Sugar can take Fujitora out.Locating and following the Sunny shouldnt be that much of a problem afterwards, he just has to defeat the remaining Strawhats there and take back Caesar and somehow point it out to Kaido that he has to wait a bit, while Doflamingo and Caesar rebuild the SAD facilities.
Dof probably still looks at Law and Luffy as greenhorns, and this is a difficult concept to get over coming from Dof's p.o.v. However, I'm sure this first blow has opened up his eyes that it's time to take things seriously. The next chapter should be quite telling on the direction this fight will go. At least, this is my hope.
This.
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@Daz:
Party pooping.
So you finally write something in here after aeons and it's such a downer. . .now that everyone was in high spirits after the last 3 or so chapters. You're definitely a certified grumpy!
That being said, I gotta agree with some of your feelings. Sadly, Doflamingo seems a bit too defeated already for someone that was hyped as a force of chaos. I think what hurt him the most was how he depended ENTIRELY on not pissing off Kaido. That. . .truly puts a dent in one of the most heavily anticipated confrontations ever.
That being said, I still have some hope. He did say his whole mission in life was "destroy this world", I guess metaphorically and not physically (who knows, though?) and that actually was much, much closer to the mental image I had of him before Punk Hazard-Dressrosa, of this crazy troublemaker that doesn't give a shit. So maybe, just maybe, he had something else in store aside from eternally being Kaido's bitch. You can't "destroy the world" by being a servant to an Emperor. . .
. . .So I'd wait before writing him off as a disappointment.
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So you finally write something in here after aeons and it's such a downer. . .now that everyone was in high spirits after the last 3 or so chapters. You're definitely a certified grumpy!
That being said, I gotta agree with some of your feelings. Sadly, Doflamingo seems a bit too defeated already for someone that was hyped as a force of chaos. I think what hurt him the most was how he depended ENTIRELY on not pissing off Kaido. That. . .truly puts a dent in one of the most heavily anticipated confrontations ever.
That being said, I still have some hope. He did say his whole mission in life was "destroy this world", I guess metaphorically and not physically (who knows, though?) and that actually was much, much closer to the mental image I had of him before Punk Hazard-Dressrosa, of this crazy troublemaker that doesn't give a shit. So maybe, just maybe, he had something else in store aside from eternally being Kaido's bitch. You can't "destroy the world" by being a servant to an Emperor. . .
. . .So I'd wait before writing him off as a disappointment.
Yes you can.
I think that's what he has been doing: Fueling conflicts everywhere, to lead to catastrophic explosions of violence.
Still… it is almost sad, in a way.
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Heya whatsup?
Guys I hate to be the guy, but it's been about 20 chapters people complain, like I like reading your stuff, especially darth I love how you protect the marines, because I'm a huge fan too, but it's getting seriously annoying how much you complain all of you.
Create an official ranting thread and post there, everytime I open this topic , it's just complaints and runts.
Either stop so we can discuss the chapter, pr post in an other topic please!
Thank you very much for unserstansing.
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I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only one who felt underwhelmed about the red hawk.
Usually when it comes to this part of the arc where Luffy gets pissed and gives the villain a strong blow, I get chills and start fangasming and stuff, but for whatever reason, this chapter didn't do that for me.
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It's probably because we know their is a lot more to this fight and 1 red hawk isn't going to cut it.
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Well the interactions between Luffy and Dofla have been quite dull…and Luffy is just being there, he has no real motive to defeat Doflamingo other than him being a bad guy. Dofla turned into your every OP villain, stupid, arrogant, careless...I expected more from him like a lot of people I guess.
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I still think Doflamingo has some sort of Ace up his sleeve. Remember that both Kuzan and Bellamy have hinted that Doflamingo is about to unleash some kinda global threat that will shake the world (wich is apparently Doflamingos true ambition). This combined with the way he literally just laughed off what happened to ceasar and punk hazard makes me think that he might be a little more than just kaidos bitch.
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I still think Doflamingo has some sort of Ace up his sleeve. Remember that both Kuzan and Bellamy have hinted that Doflamingo is about to unleash some kinda global threat that will shake the world (wich is apparently Doflamingos true ambition). This combined with the way he literally just laughed off what happened to ceasar and punk hazard makes me think that he might be a little more than just kaidos bitch.
maybe CP0 will save him n get him out of Dressrosa..however, his whole crew gets captured by the marines/revolutionary?(would/do they take prisoners?) at the end.
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I still think Doflamingo has some sort of Ace up his sleeve.
Well, that didn't work out, Sabo has the fruit now.
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Well, that didn't work out, Sabo has the fruit now.
That was obviously not the thing Kuzan warned smoker about in regards to doflamingo… Doflamingo was/is supposed to unleash the biggest threat Sakazuki has faced in his career as fleet admiral, remember?
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That was obviously not the thing Kuzan warned smoker about in regards to doflamingo… Doflamingo was/is supposed to unleash the biggest threat Sakazuki has faced in his career as fleet admiral, remember?
No, it was a joke because you said "Ace" and I said the mera mera…and Sabo...
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That was obviously not the thing Kuzan warned smoker about in regards to doflamingo… Doflamingo was/is supposed to unleash the biggest threat Sakazuki has faced in his career as fleet admiral, remember?
Or it can be interpreted as Doflamingo's downfall will cause this effect.
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Or it can be interpreted as Doflamingo's downfall will cause this effect.
Well, that would be a bit contradictory considering how Kuzan worded it (he warned smoker about Doflamingos prowess and said specificly that Doflamingo was about to unleash some chain of event). If it was doflamingos downfall he feared you think he'd wanna tell smoker to send a couple of admirals to protect Doflamingo… not the opposite.
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Well, that would be a bit contradictory considering how Kuzan worded it (he warned smoker about Doflamingos prowess and said specificly that Doflamingo was about to unleash some chain of event). If it was doflamingos downfall he feared you think he'd wanna tell smoker to send a couple of admirals to protect Doflamingo… not the opposite.
Lets go by his words (C3)
[hide][/hide]He sets himself apart in more ways than one, he can be referring to the Underworld and probably has some knowledge about Dofla's past (stretch, but who knows), now Doflamingo can set this in motion by A) he, himself unveil his master plan which might involve Kaido and the underworld or b) He gets defeated and everything falls down thus creating a major disaster, the difference is that whatever happens it will be set in motion directly or indirectly but it will happen.
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If Doffy gets defeated like every other villain in the series before him, I'll be seriously annoyed. For the amount of the hype he received, and the stuff he demonstrated he shouldn't go down like all the other one-time villains. Not to mention the fact that Oda took the time to establish that Doffy has a close, family-like relationship with his crew not unlike Luffy's, which puts into question the reason why we root for Luffy.
The problem I see with how many people here view the series, is that most people consider Luffy to be the "Hero" of the story, or the good guy. I personally dislike that notion, as Luffy is as much of a pirate as all the people he fights. Having Luffy butting into other people's business and ruining everything for them just because he's the good guy is getting a little bit old at this point. I'll hand it to Oda that Luffy never said he's doing anything because it was the right thing to do, but mainly for selfish reasons, although these selfish reasons are mostly righteous ones so the problem still stands in the end.
This is especially evident in this arc, where Luffy and the Strawhats have absolutely no reason to oppose Doflamingo, except for being the good guys, and getting dragged into the conflict by Law. I believe that Oda is actually aware of this, and is going to subvert the general expectations of the fans with this arc, or at least I hope so.
Having this arc being "Alabasta 2.0" would not only be bad for the series, but will also ruin the chances of One Piece becoming anything other than a predictable shounen, which for the most part Oda managed to avoid.
Also, having Doffy easily defeated here after all the hype he received, would bode ill for Kaido, who's already being over-hyped in my opinion, and if Oda continues on not delivering on the hype he builds up for his characters, I can see Kaido becoming another disappointment added to the long list of "non-strawhats characters" who ends up as a letdown.
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@OPR:
If Doffy gets defeated like every other villain in the series before him, I'll be seriously annoyed. For the amount of the hype he received, and the stuff he demonstrated he shouldn't go down like all the other one-time villains. Not to mention the fact that Oda took the time to establish that Doffy has a close, family-like relationship with his crew not unlike Luffy's, which puts into question the reason why we root for Luffy.
The problem I see with how many people here view the series, is that most people consider Luffy to be the "Hero" of the story, or the good guy. I personally dislike that notion, as Luffy is as much of a pirate as all the people he fights. Having Luffy butting into other people's business and ruining everything for them just because he's the good guy is getting a little bit old at this point. I'll hand it to Oda that Luffy never said he's doing anything because it was the right thing to do, but mainly for selfish reasons, although these selfish reasons are mostly righteous ones so the problem still stands in the end.
This is especially evident in this arc, where Luffy and the Strawhats have absolutely no reason to oppose Doflamingo, except for being the good guys, and getting dragged into the conflict by Law. I believe that Oda is actually aware of this, and is going to subvert the general expectations of the fans with this arc, or at least I hope so.
Having this arc being "Alabasta 2.0" would not only be bad for the series, but will also ruin the chances of One Piece becoming anything other than a predictable shounen, which for the most part Oda managed to avoid.
Also, having Doffy easily defeated here after all the hype he received, would bode ill for Kaido, who's already being over-hyped in my opinion, and if Oda continues on not delivering on the hype he builds up for his characters, I can see Kaido becoming another disappointment added to the long list of "non-strawhats characters" who ends up as a letdown.
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Shadowgreed what is your problem dude? this is a forum where people come to discuss one piece… OPR raised a couple of valid points, why dont you adress them instead?
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Shadowgreed what is your problem dude? this is a forum where people come to discuss one piece… OPR raised a couple of valid points, why dont you adress them instead?
Because I don't feel like it.
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Because I don't feel like it.
Then why are you wasting your time replying to his post with some dumb meme-generated image? Is it because you feel like trolling these boards for attention, all of a sudden?
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Then why are you wasting your time replying to his post with some dumb meme-generated image? Is it because you feel like trolling these boards for attention, all of a sudden?
Ummm Time you enjoy wasting is not wasting your time.
Ahhhh What's dumb to you is not dumb to others.
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Ummm Time you enjoy wasting is not wasting your time.
Ahhhh What's dumb to you is not dumb to others.
Ihhhh "attention" is such word that makes somebody feel like a whr.Its immature and childish to rebuff a well written post with some goofy nonsense image like that. If you enjoy doing it… well thats not the point, except that it shows that you are willing to lower yourself to the level of an imageboard troll.
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Its immature and childish to rebuff a well written post with some goofy nonsense image like that. If you enjoy doing it… well thats not the point, except that it shows that you are willing to lower yourself to the level of an imageboard troll.
Were you expecting me to take the post apart and make a well formed reply? I get it, he doesn't consider Luffy the main character because of lols, his getting tired of the main characters attacking the bad dudes even though the BAD dudes hasn't done anything bad to them DIRECTLY, and I also understand that this manga is becoming so predictable that is not even funny anymore, but what I don't understand is why didn't you reply to his so well and valid points?
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Were you expecting me to take the post apart and make a well formed reply? I get it, he doesn't consider Luffy the main character because of lols, his getting tired of the main characters attacking the bad dudes even though the BAD dudes hasn't done anything bad to them DIRECTLY, and I also understand that this manga is becoming so predictable that is not even funny anymore, but what I don't understand is why didn't you reply to his so well and valid points?
Thats not the issue. You could have ignored him instead of lowering the bar with a "lol i really dont care about what you just said"-themed image. You dont have to reply to everyone, in fact if you dont have something constructive to add id suggest you stay out instead of doing what you did, because the message you signaled was basicly "You are stupid for wasting your time talking about one piece on this forum dedicated to one piece. Are you done?"
Do i have to explain to you why thats a rude and childish thing to do? I didnt respond because i didnt feel like had much constructive to add. You ought to try it.
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Do i have to explain to you why thats a rude and childish thing to do?
Yes please, I'm really interested on reading how childish
GambinoI am right now.Note to my self: I'm not using sarcasm!
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Thats not the issue. You could have ignored him instead of lowering the bar with a "lol i really dont care about what you just said"-themed image. You dont have to reply to everyone, in fact if you dont have something constructive to add id suggest you stay out instead of doing what you did, because the message you signaled was basicly "You are stupid for wasting your time talking about one piece on this forum dedicated to one piece. Are you done?"
Do i have to explain to you why thats a rude and childish thing to do? I didnt respond because i didnt feel like had much constructive to add. You ought to try it.
You're one to talk.
@xan:
To be frank that post had almost no good points to base any discussion from it. In fact, discussing that post would be severe butthurt for people who understand the series for what it was and what it is. It would be wise not to pursue discussing that for OP's sake.
Agree.
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To be frank that post had almost no good points to base any discussion from it. In fact, discussing that post would be severe butthurt for people who understand the series for what it was and what it is. It would be wise not to pursue discussing that for OP's sake.
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Your logic is mess up Shadowgreed. You said you understand One Piece is getting predictable and not funny anymore, why post that picture.
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I don't see why Doffy shouldn't be defeated as any other villain.
Since he has been hyped so much throughout the years, it is reasonably for him to have a strong arc(or several) with plenty to show, and perhaps this arc hasn't really fulfilled that requirement yet. But remember that Doffy is really important in the direction that One Piece is progressing: One Piece.
Not only does Doffy meet the requirement for every possible villainy characteristics, he also has a large connection to the rest of the world. The consequences of what Luffy does from now on will basically shape the future of the known world of One Piece. Destroying an actual Tenryubito's empire both above ground and underground is a pretty big deal, and it hints toward the coming wave of change brought by the "worst generation".
So basically what I'm saying is that a lot of interesting stuff is going to happen right after this arc.Besides, you can't increase the duration of arcs of every future enemy of Luffy, it would take too long and it doesn't take into account of Strawhats' growth.
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Yes please, I'm really interested on reading how childish
GambinoI am right now.Note to my self: I'm not using sarcasm!
Your posts reek of this elitistic "I have this manga down to a science, i have got it all worked out" attitude. When someone, in this case OPR posts stuff that you consider below your level of debate, instead of just ignoring it, you have to rebuff him, basicly telling him to "STFU" through a lame image. Frankly its tiresome.
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@joekido:
Your logic is mess up Shadowgreed. You said you understand One Piece is getting predictable and not funny anymore, why post that picture.
I'm referring to this line "Having this arc being "Alabasta 2.0" would not only be bad for the series, but will also ruin the chances of One Piece becoming anything other than a predictable shounen" posted by the guy who received the killer Kevin Hart
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Your posts reek of this elitistic "I have this manga down to a science, i have got it all worked out" attitude. When someone, in this case OPR posts stuff that you consider below your level of debate, instead of just ignoring it, you have to rebuff him, basicly telling him to "STFU" through a lame image. Frankly its tiresome.
You've taking this incident real serious now, is he your brother, cousin or dear friend of yours?
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I'm referring to this line "Having this arc being "Alabasta 2.0" would not only be bad for the series, but will also ruin the chances of One Piece becoming anything other than a predictable shounen" posted by the guy who received the killer Kevin Hart
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You've taking this incident real serious now, is he your brother, cousin or dear friend of yours?
You are the one who brings it to other threads and goes into passive-agressive mode just to keep the debate going. I have made my point.
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You are the one who brings it to other threads and goes into passive-agressive mode just to keep the debate going. I have made my point.
Ohh no, I was just wondering If I was able to reply with an image without you watching my back, you know I need to learn from my mistakes.
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Ohh no, I was just wondering If I was able to reply with an image without you watching my back, you know I need to learn from my mistakes.
Watching your Back? Naah, Nigga you got a red dot on your face, and what you gonna do when BIG POPPA comes for you?
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@OPR:
If Doffy gets defeated like every other villain in the series before him, I'll be seriously annoyed. For the amount of the hype he received, and the stuff he demonstrated he shouldn't go down like all the other one-time villains. Not to mention the fact that Oda took the time to establish that Doffy has a close, family-like relationship with his crew not unlike Luffy's, which puts into question the reason why we root for Luffy.
Well Dofla is an underground broker responsible for a massacre 10 years ago and want to kill everyone in the island now. It isn't that hard to root for Luffy… And there's his underground business.
The problem I see with how many people here view the series, is that most people consider Luffy to be the "Hero" of the story, or the good guy. I personally dislike that notion, as Luffy is as much of a pirate as all the people he fights.
He is. He may not do it willingly(I think he does) but he is. And Luffy has yet to kill, torture or ransack a village. So I wouldn't say he is as much as a pirate as them. Except if you're only referring to his affiliation. But that doesn't have to do with Luffy being a good guy or not.
Having Luffy butting into other people's business and ruining everything for them just because he's the good guy is getting a little bit old at this point. I'll hand it to Oda that Luffy never said he's doing anything because it was the right thing to do, but mainly for selfish reasons, although these selfish reasons are mostly righteous ones so the problem still stands in the end.
Since it is a story for kids and teenager I doubt that is going to change. But just console yourself by reminding yourself of ID.
This is especially evident in this arc, where Luffy and the Strawhats have absolutely no reason to oppose Doflamingo, except for being the good guys, and getting dragged into the conflict by Law. I believe that Oda is actually aware of this, and is going to subvert the general expectations of the fans with this arc, or at least I hope so.
How do you expect Oda to play that out?
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Watching your Back? Naah, Nigga you got a red dot on your face, and what you gonna do when BIG POPPA comes for you?
Are you quoting one of your boys? I don't listen to a lot of Rap/Hip Hop so I can't tell
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DollarScholar vs Shadowgreed… Worst fight ever!
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And Luffy has yet to kill, torture or ransack a village.
Damn shame. Next arc should have more plundering and less crying princesses.
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DollarScholar vs Shadowgreed… Worst fight ever!
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Hey Shadowgreed, i have reconsidered my position on the use of sarcastic images and i strongly feel like this guy deserves one. You bring the memes and i'll bring my gatz, lets show this punk where brooklyn at?
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DollarScholar vs Shadowgreed… Worst fight ever!
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