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One Piece Chapter 746: Stars
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He didn't back down immediately
I never said he did. Just because Doflamingo didn't think he was in imminent danger of death, at that point. Once it became clear that Kuzan was serious and would wreck his shit, he did an immediate 180 from "trying to kill Smoker" to, well… my next point.
Doflamingo underestimated the speed of his ice ability, but he backed down when he knew fighting kuzan may actually take a lot of time. That's why he said "I don't have time to fight you."
Except that never happened. What Doflamingo said was "I don't much feel like fighting you. But if I'm unable to silence that man here and now… I'll have to change my plans!"
And as I pointed out previously, Doflamingo was trying to kill Smoker, not beat Kuzan. Kuzan is at a huge disadvantage trying to fight while protecting the beaten-and-half-dead Smoker, and all Doflamingo needed to do was kill Smoker, then get away via his 'sky road' ability.
He then walks right next to kuzan and past him with a smirk and kuzan has that serious face on.
Why wouldn't he? Kuzan froze him to save Smoker, but wasn't particularly trying to kill him. He didn't follow up on it at all, or even move. As long as Doflamingo wasn't trying to kill Smoker, he had nothing to fear from Kuzan, so why shouldn't he smirk and try to save some face in front of his subordinates?
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I wouldn't say the Marines' strategy was so much better than the tactics deployed by the WB Pirates tbh.
The biggest factors were 1) Home turf and 2) High ground.
No matter what tactics the marines deployed, they were always going to be on the front foot really.
Try again! Obiwan defeated Darth Maul even though he had the low ground.
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Try again! Obiwan defeated Darth Maul even though he had the low ground.
Hahahaha and ObiWan had the high ground against Anakin…
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I wouldn't say the Marines' strategy was so much better than the tactics deployed by the WB Pirates tbh.
The biggest factors were 1) Home turf and 2) High ground.
No matter what tactics the marines deployed, they were always going to be on the front foot really.
Okay, I need to ask… What tactics did WB Pirates employed? Because most of what I saw was "reckless charge", tbh.
Most things Whitebeard did was reactionary tactics, and he stopped even that when he moved himself.
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Hahahaha and ObiWan had the high ground against Anakin…
Obi-wan lost, though! Anakin Vader was on home turf and wasn't his force level around 20k? Basically way beyond 9k.
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I never said he did. Just because Doflamingo didn't think he was in imminent danger of death, at that point. Once it became clear that Kuzan was serious and would wreck his shit, he did an immediate 180 from "trying to kill Smoker" to, well… my next point.
Except that never happened. What Doflamingo said was "I don't much feel like fighting you. But if I'm unable to silence that man here and now… I'll have to change my plans!"
And as I pointed out previously, Doflamingo was trying to kill Smoker, not beat Kuzan. Kuzan is at a huge disadvantage trying to fight while protecting the beaten-and-half-dead Smoker, and all Doflamingo needed to do was kill Smoker, then get away via his 'sky road' ability.
Why wouldn't he? Kuzan froze him to save Smoker, but wasn't particularly trying to kill him. He didn't follow up on it at all, or even move. As long as Doflamingo wasn't trying to kill Smoker, he had nothing to fear from Kuzan, so why shouldn't he smirk and try to save some face in front of his subordinates?
Obviously he had his back on Kuzan, that is kuzan's advantage. It's not like you can fight with your back turned and is sitting down. Besides him turning 180 because kuzan's ice is faster than his arm to swing his strings doesn't mean he was scared. It just means that kuzan defense is greater than doula's attack. Not interested or not much feel like fighting you or no time is the same thing. the fight would drag on too long that's the end result. kuzan couldn't follow up on it because doflamingo broke out of the ice almost immediately, kuzan's attacks consist of long casting motions as seen when he needed leaves to make a sword or when he engaged whitebeard with tridents. the only thing he is good at is freezing stuff and abusing his logia ability. As seen more when he attack failed on whitebeared but his freezing ability was able to quickly freeze up all the water nearby. Yes I consider freezing stuff as a defensive ability. attacking abilities should be more deadly.
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Okay, I need to ask… What tactics did WB Pirates employed? Because most of what I saw was "reckless charge", tbh.
Most things Whitebeard did was reactionary tactics, and he stopped even that when he moved himself.
What a surprise .
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I wouldn't say the Marines' strategy was so much better than the tactics deployed by the WB Pirates tbh.
The biggest factors were 1) Home turf and 2) High ground.
No matter what tactics the marines deployed, they were always going to be on the front foot really.
Probably the most important factor was the fact that WB alliance's goal was to retrieve Ace alive and marines' goal was to exterminate WB pirates.
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Okay, I need to ask… What tactics did WB Pirates employed? Because most of what I saw was "reckless charge", tbh.
Most things Whitebeard did was reactionary tactics, and he stopped even that when he moved himself.
Having their allied ships draw attention away from the main harbour at Marineford, allowing the Moby Dick to surface there.
Attacking the surrounding ships and not being immediately drawn into the bay to become Pacifista fodder.
Using Oars Jnr. as the catalyst to get over the walls and out of the bay.
The marines' tactics didn't really go past put up the walls, melt ice, send in pacifistas.
Still solid tactics, but neither side was much more tactically sound than the other.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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What a surprise .
? Was that suppose to be a subtle jab at me, because I like marines better then Whitebeard Pirates? I do, and? Does not change the fact that the only reason Whitebeard Pirates got as far as they did was because of luck. There was no tactics more complex then "Charge!" and "Support that guy!" and "Retreat!" on the Whitebeard pirates side. And the only reason they didn't get completly overwhelmed was because WB has the most broken AoE in the history of series.
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Having their allied ships draw attention away from the main harbour at Marineford, allowing the Moby Dick to surface there.
I dunno if that can really be called tactics. Thanks to coating, Moby Dick could surface there regardless, and allied ships were to far off to make any difference in that.
Attacking the surrounding ships and not being immediately drawn into the bay to become Pacifista fodder.
I'll give you that.
Using Oars Jnr. as the catalyst to get over the walls and out of the bay.
And that one as well. But both of those are, as I said, reactionary. It's not something that WB planned, rather something that just happened.
The marines' tactics didn't really go past put up the walls, melt ice, send in pacifistas.
Well, they did planned to have Whitebeard stabbed…
Still solid tactics, but neither side was much more tactically sound than the other.
Oh, I agree. Perhaps I should say it otherwise… I think Marines went in with the plan, while WB Pirates did not.
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True, it was always going to be easier for the Marines in the long run, defending the flag is a lot easier than capturing it.
I would personaly say that the plot was on the Whitebeards side most of the time, which was the most important factor.
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I wouldn't say the Marines' strategy was so much better than the tactics deployed by the WB Pirates tbh.
The biggest factors were 1) Home turf and 2) High ground.
No matter what tactics the marines deployed, they were always going to be on the front foot really.
I was referring to the unrest the Marines were able to create within WB camp leading to WB getting stabbed by his own men. Also, the walls. I feel like WB should have make use of what he had better. Having a wild card like Luffy and his ID crew was a bonus. TBF, they did save Ace until he decided to be stupid.
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? Was that suppose to be a subtle jab at me, because I like marines better then Whitebeard Pirates? I do, and? Does not change the fact that the only reason Whitebeard Pirates got as far as they did was because of luck. There was no tactics more complex then "Charge!" and "Support that guy!" and "Retreat!" on the Whitebeard pirates side. And the only reason they didn't get completly overwhelmed was because WB has the most broken AoE in the history of series.
Yeah, I couldn't resist.
Don't think of it as more than a friendly joke.
But yeah, I wasn't too impressed by tactics in Marineford battle. There was an evident lack of control and purposefulness on both sides. After I read some of Kingdom I thought how it would have looked if Marineford battle had elements of Kingdom battles. Not that I think Kingdom battles have especially complex tactics all the time, but more so than One Piece ones.
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wait im confused, you all expect fujitora to rock doflamingos world…but are saying that doula could fight back aokiji? did i miss something? :D
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@LordEnel:
wait im confused, you all expect fujitora to rock doflamingos world…but are saying that doula could fight back aokiji? did i miss something? :D
He could have. And probably lose.
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Yeah, I couldn't resist.
Don't think of it as more than a friendly joke.
But yeah, I wasn't too impressed by tactics in Marineford battle. There was an evident lack of control and purposefulness on both sides. After I read some of Kingdom I thought how it would have looked if Marineford battle had elements of Kingdom battles. Not that I think Kingdom battles have especially complex tactics all the time, but more so than One Piece ones.
Yeah, agreed on Kingdom being way better in that regard.
On the other hand, it is a manga about generals, so the comparison is not really fair… and Hara still has problems with more complex tactical generals.
And in the case of tactics, marines suck as well, but a little bit less then Whitebeard.
And speaking of Kingdom... I imagine Whitebeard would be akin to Houken in Marineford war
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Whitebeard had an actually personality and he was entertaining if anything the one piece "Houken" is Lucci
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Whitebeard had an actually personality and he was entertaining if anything the one piece "Houken" is Lucci
Personality wise, yes. I meant more skill wise and… well, I would say reputation wise.
Come on, Whitebeard mowing hundreds of marines on his own with his bisento... you can most certainly see similarities there, for example.
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Personality wise, yes. I meant more skill wise and… well, I would say reputation wise.
Come on, Whitebeard mowing hundreds of marines on his own with his bisento... you can most certainly see similarities there, for example.
Whitebeard is probably more analogous to Ouki, being the great and powerful leader of men who is one of the last and greatest bastions of the old generation who ends up
kingdom spoilers! Dying to usher in the age of a major antagonist as well as the new generation in general
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Whitebeard is probably more analogous to Ouki, being the great and powerful leader of men who is one of the last and greatest bastions of the old generation who ends up
kingdom spoilers! Dying to usher in the age of a major antagonist as well as the new generation in general
Oh, you are correct actually. Interesting…
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Oh, you are correct actually. Interesting…
Honestly, tons of major One Piece characters have mowed down huge numbers of enemies on their own because it's that kind of series. Actually when I think about it the person who's closest to Houken in One Piece is probably Zoro given that his goals are firmly rooted in strength, he's not really a leader and he's most concerned with being the best, but even those connections are pretty tenuous given that Zoro isn't that solitary, has his great loyalty and trust for Luffy, and is focused more on one specific kind of strength among many other differences. Ultimately I don't know that One Piece has any character that fits strongly into the houken archetype
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Considering Houken's "personality", he's closest to Kuma in Marineford battle, lol.
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What is up with the spoilers this last few weeks, they come out sooooo late.
Nani?
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16 chars of not really.
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Considering Houken's "personality", he's closest to Kuma in Marineford battle, lol.
He is the very model of merciless robot devoided of any interesting emotions, I'll give you that.
And this thread got so boring that we are talking about Kingdom right now… not that I mind, because I love Kingdom. Turnip Farmers are almost on the current chapter, which is a bit sad. I will miss reading through backlog of Kingdom chapters...
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What is up with the spoilers this last few weeks, they come out sooooo late.
Stop complaining man. You're getting these spoilers nearly an entire week before the chapter is actually out. Be grateful. Also, be patient.
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I still think anyone whining about spoilers being late should be autobanned from the spoiler section for the week
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Removing the spoiler section during April Fools' was the smartest thing we ever did. We should do it again sometime soon.
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I like how there always ends up being more people complaining about people complaining about spoilers than people actually complaining about spoilers and the preaching distracts me far more when trying to browse the discussion thread than a person saying "man I wish there were spoilers"
It's 3 to 1 now
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@Cyan:
Removing the spoiler section during April Fools' was the smartest thing we ever did. We should do it again sometime soon.
i second this. i'll admit that at the time i found it annoying due to being a spoiler freak, but since then i've only gone in to read aohige's summary afterwards for clarification.
it's a much better experience going into the chapter blind.
also, we should have been able to keep that anti-spoiler thread open for people in withdrawal, lol..
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One does wonder how the tides would've turned if the ID reinforcements and Blackbeard didn't come through.
One onehand it seems like it would've made the Marine win even easier. But on the other they spent alot of time guarding Luffy, leaving WB un-aided.
And i mean, had it been anyone other than Luffy trying to get past Garp it would've been a knuckle sandwich in the face
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Also, the Unsung Hero of the War, Galdino, Mr. 3, without him, Ace wasn't going to be unhandcuffed anytime soon.
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And marines could've succesfully kill Ace if not for Luffy and Crocodile. And if Luffy wasn't there to distract the Admirals, they would've probably sunk the last ship of Whitebeard. And Kizaru would've probably shoot Oars dead.
Pure speculations, of course.
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And if Oda wasn't born, You wouldn't be going on a rampage every god damn week
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And marines could've succesfully kill Ace if not for Luffy and Crocodile. And if Luffy wasn't there to distract the Admirals, they would've probably sunk the last ship of Whitebeard. And Kizaru would've probably shoot Oars dead.
Pure speculations, of course.
If Whitebeard was at his prime. All the marines would be dead. Akainu. Kizaru. Aokiji.
The marines would have been destroyed.
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And marines could've succesfully kill Ace if not for Luffy and Crocodile. And if Luffy wasn't there to distract the Admirals, they would've probably sunk the last ship of Whitebeard. And Kizaru would've probably shoot Oars dead.
Pure speculations, of course.
@Flipper:
If Whitebeard was at his prime. All the marines would be dead. Akainu. Kizaru. Aokiji.
The marines would have been destroyed.
Aaaand the truth would be somewhere inbetwenn your two extremes lol
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@Cyan:
Removing the spoiler section during April Fools' was the smartest thing we ever did. We should do it again sometime soon.
Please no! That was torture.
Went to sleep for 12 hours. Still no spoilers D:
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Is one piece on break again?
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The only hypothetical I'm curious about when it comes to Marineford is what would happen if Whitebeard personally went on full offense to begin with.
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@Cyan:
The only hypothetical I'm curious about when it comes to Marineford is what would happen if Whitebeard personally went on full offense to begin with.
He would've probably destroyed the entire Marineford by himself.
His power is to create quakes. He easily has enough power to do so.
Of course, offense of that strenght would result in collateral among his own people. And I'm not certain he would go that far.
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@Cyan:
The only hypothetical I'm curious about when it comes to Marineford is what would happen if Whitebeard personally went on full offense to begin with.
A battle with no posing and grand speeches? What madness is this?
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Maybe he should have just gone alone with no crew and sunk the place going all out along with himself.
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And if Oda wasn't born, You wouldn't be going on a rampage every god damn week
I find it hillarious, that I actually never start those discussion, yet I always get the blame for them.
It's amusing as hell.
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A battle with no posing and grand speeches? What madness is this?
Whitebeard jumps down from boat
Marineford literally crumbles to dust
Marines stand around awkwardly as Ace just shambles over the the Moby Dick
"Well that was fun - back to the boats everyone, Shiki's coming over for a card game later and he's insufferable when it looks like I forgot about him."
