I thought Law was already performing this role
I must save the fair maiden, Law, onto the castle of the wicked Lolflumingo that I might smite him with my fists of rubber and protect the honour of the loveliest of all the Shichibukai
I thought Law was already performing this role
I must save the fair maiden, Law, onto the castle of the wicked Lolflumingo that I might smite him with my fists of rubber and protect the honour of the loveliest of all the Shichibukai
I thought Law was already performing this role
Well, Law's situation is Luffy's motivation to fight DD.
On the other hand, Rebecca's and the whole of Desrossa will be Fujitora's trigger to turn his back against DD.
Well I see something that might be nothing really but if what we seen on Burgess arm when he was doing elbow attack its seems to be weapon from country of flower.
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and here
! Thing that Sai has on his arm is quite alike what Burgess had been using. So maybe its a small hint towards BB already visiting country of flower. Who knows, just sharing observation.
Well I see something that might be nothing really but if what we seen on Burgess arm when he was doing elbow attack its seems to be weapon from country of flower.
! http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/07/17/o/read51e69e15c4bf4/img000007.png
and here! http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/07/17/o/read51e69e15c4bf4/img000013.png Thing that Sai has on his arm is quite alike what Burgess had been using. So maybe its a small hint towards BB already visiting country of flower. Who knows, just sharing observation.
Yeah this was mentioned some ten pages ago. It is quite similar. And I also think that it is a typical Gadget for the country of flowers.
Maybe the effect is something like a dial from skypia. The stronger the input, the stronger the output.
Well she is a pretty fundamental link between the past and present of Dressrosa.
Past and present Dressrosa will get relayed through Toy soldier and Viola. What we will likely miss if she wasn't there is Luffy getting hungry since no one will pay for his lunch. Honestly, she's been useless so far.
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@Da:
And of course, almost every arc has a damsel in distress. It thickens the plot somehow.
She's not even in distress. Her role could be achieved by one of the random gladiator prisoners and the richness of the arc will still be preserved.
Well, it was said to be a technique, and there were no trademark circles around Burgess' impact point. Also, there was no smoke coming out of Boo's armor.
Still, maybe there is a significance. It could just be two different pieces of armor with holes, but that's no fun.
Past and present Dressrosa will get relayed through Toy soldier and Viola.
It works for Viola but Toy soldier is not that pretty.
Past and present Dressrosa will get relayed through Toy soldier and Viola. What we will likely miss if she wasn't there is Luffy getting hungry since no one will pay for his lunch. Honestly, she's been useless so far.
She's been the most visceral representation of just what level of brainwashing Doffy has leveled up the kingdom as well though, being the only prominent and publicly abused member of the Riku Dynasty.
Her character has provided a nice central point between doffy's takeover, his propaganda against the Riku family, the arena and the enslavement of the toyified characters through her relationship with Toy Soldier.
Basically she's done things as a Riku that Violet couldn't through her membership of the Donquixote family.
She's been the most visceral representation of just what level of brainwashing Doffy has leveled up the kingdom as well though, being the only prominent and publicly abused member of the Riku Dynasty.
Her character has provided a nice central point between doffy's takeover, his propaganda against the Riku family, the arena and the enslavement of the toyified characters through her relationship with Toy Soldier.
Basically she's done things as a Riku that Violet couldn't through her membership of the Donquixote family.
In other words, she's the main victim of the arc.
In other words, she's the main victim of the arc.
Well, yeah.
I was just going a bit more in depth than that.
I think Sereques' point was that that role could have been given to someone else and would have been as successful.
Well, yeah.
I was just going a bit more in depth than that.
I think Sereques' point was that that role could have been given to someone else and would have been as successful.
Really, we had this same discussion in the "Most Disappointing Thread" in relation to the Dwarves.
People judging character roles before the story is even finished.
Really, we had this same discussion in the "Most Disappointing Thread" in relation to the Dwarves.
People judging character roles before the story is even finished.
Yeah, I was backing Rebecca's merit as a character, myself.
Premature judgements generally don't work out lol.
Yeah this was mentioned some ten pages ago. It is quite similar. And I also think that it is a typical Gadget for the country of flowers.
Maybe the effect is something like a dial from skypia. The stronger the input, the stronger the output.
Oh so it was mentioned already.. and i thought that i am first lol.
As for your take about what that piece is-we think perfectly the same about it. It should be piece of armor amplyfying or concentrating force of an attack. Also it looks on one panel like vibration from Sais attack come directly from that piece of armor so maybe that metal with holes is of some importance in the end
Not sure if this was mentioned earlier or not … but if someone attacks Barto using Haki would they be able to break or crack his barrier?
@Yamato:
Not sure if this was mentioned earlier or not … but if someone attacks Barto using Haki would they be able to break or crack his barrier?
I don't see why not.
I don't see why not.
Well haki does not desactivate one's devil fruit power. And the power of Barto is to stop any attack, so it might be able to withstand haki as well. We can't be sure right now.
@Yamato:
Not sure if this was mentioned earlier or not … but if someone attacks Barto using Haki would they be able to break or crack his barrier?
I think it would depend how good the person is with their CoA.
Bartos barrier dont work as logia,to break bato barrier u need enough strenght to break his wall. Haki does not nullify DF ability
If CoA can be used to resist things like Law's Ope Ope powers then I don't see why it couldn't be used to break Barto's barriers if the user is proficient enough.
Yeah, I don't think Haki factors in destroying Barto's barrier. He produces a barrier, he doesn't turn his body to a barrier. Haki is supposed to attack DF users actual bodies while ignoring their DF form, it doesn't nullify a DF though. Kind of like Mr.3's wax… If he built a wax wall, hitting it with Haki won't nullify that wall. (Aside from actual strength of course.)
Barto's barrier weakness might be something else. (For example, he can only defends one direction at a time).
Yeah, I don't think Haki factors in destroying Barto's barrier. He produces a barrier, he doesn't turn his body to a barrier. Haki is supposed to attack DF users actual bodies while ignoring their DF form, it doesn't nullify a DF though. Kind of like Mr.3's wax… If he built a wax wall, hitting it with Haki won't nullify that wall. (Aside from actual strength of course.)
Barto's barrier weakness might be something else. (For example, he can only defends one direction at a time).
Like the way Bellamy was able to get around the barrier and catch Barto in a grapple.
Like the way Bellamy was able to get around the barrier and catch Barto in a grapple.
Yup. I actually just remembered that scene…
It would make sense that he can only set one barrier at a time.
Like the way Bellamy was able to get around the barrier and catch Barto in a grapple.
By the way does this scene imply that Bellamy is smarter than Dellinger? Of course he might have caught Barto while he was distracted by the freaKING PUNCH! XD
Haki can't do something? Yeah right.
That box of Pandora has been opened long ago.
Well Barto was in a more confined area when he used his barriers against Dellinger, I don't think Dellinger really had any way to get to him.
Being outdoors gave Bellamy a lot more space to get around and behind the barrier.
Another weakness will most likely be that Barto has to abandon his shield to attack, or when he uses a move like Barrier Crash he's still leaving himself momentarily vulnerable.
If CoA can be used to resist things like Law's Ope Ope powers then I don't see why it couldn't be used to break Barto's barriers if the user is proficient enough.
Hopefully, that doesn't end up being an informed thing. Remember when CoA was successfully used against Law's ability?
Haki can't do something? Yeah right.
That box of Pandora has been opened long ago.
Quickly men. Hold your hands out and form a protective wall of ambition.
I bet Barto was pretty bummed when he saw that this was a thing.
Quickly men. Hold your hands out and form a protective wall of ambition.
I bet Barto was pretty bummed when he saw that this was a thing.
Oh god.
Why did you bring my attention to this.
Why.
I don't care if its off topic, but Blackbeard is Oda's Macbeth. Trust me when I say this; this insight is very important to predicting what Blackbeard's future holds.
I cant wait until Barto will shine a bit more when it comes to combat. Cavendish gotten a bit more hype lately, especially with Barto commented that he didnt seen what happened when Hakuba gone wild so..
They were shown to grow on us in same time with same speed- Barto being cool violent nakama-like characters- ugly but great personality and exact oposite things being shown from Cavendish who is "pretty". Now Barto needs to show off more so we know that he has chances against people like Hakuba/Cavendish/ Burgess/ Diamante. He owned off screen rookie Vice Admiral so he has to be at least very tricky.
I can already picture gigant fish attacking him just to splat on his barrier and loose consciousness on arena or something like that, would be a sight to see if he gets into combat with anybody outside of Rebbeca as Diamante, Burgess and Sabo seem to be all quality fighters in kind of same tier so to say, any interaction with them would be nice +++ for them and it looks like Oda is saving him for later part of this final round.
Oh god.
Why did you bring my attention to this.
Why.
It was a team effort really. Me and Silver were all wanna mess with Taytay?
Then we did just that, while singing an impromptu rendition of just gonna stand here and watch you buuuurn.
I didn't actually mean Haki to be used to nullify the barrier but with brute force + Strong Haki it would crack it and/or destroy it with the need of a new one, I mean Barto withstood the King's punch which KO'd everyone in the ring that brute force on its own was not enough to bring it down.
Barto's DF weakness is sure going to be interesting as I don't think that his attacking him from his back is an issue, he used his barrier while giving his back to hack.
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his weakness most probably falls in using one barrier at a time.
It was a team effort really. Me and Silver were all wanna mess with Taytay?
Then we did just that, while singing an impromptu rendition of just gonna stand here and watch you buuuurn.
Just gonna stand there and watch you burn
But that's alright because the manga forum hurts
Just gonna stand there and watch you cry
But that's alright because you love to tease Taytay
You love to tease Taytay
@Yamato:
his weakness most probably falls in using one barrier at a time.
Also the speed in which he creates/removes barriers and the interval between them. As he didn't see Hakuba's movement, fast opponents must be the toughest match up for him. Extraordinary brutes too i.e Garp,Jozu..etc but luckily for him there aren't many of those who could shatter his barrier on a whim.
It'll probably be best for Barto and his ability if Oda just finds other weaknesses in it, rather than making his shields at all destroyable by physical means, even with Haki.
I don't care if its off topic, but Blackbeard is Oda's Macbeth. Trust me when I say this; this insight is very important to predicting what Blackbeard's future holds.
Yeah - totally agree he is just like MacBeth…
except without a Lady MacBeth...
and without three witches...
and without a Malcolm...
and without pretty much anything that actually makes MacBeth who he is.
@Buggy's:
Yeah - totally agree he is just like MacBeth…
except without a Lady MacBeth...
and without three witches...
and without a Malcolm...
and without pretty much anything that actually makes MacBeth who he is.
Cue the twist that Luffy was born by C-section.
It'll probably be best for Barto and his ability if Oda just finds other weaknesses in it, rather than making his shields at all destroyable by physical means, even with Haki.
Maybe Bartolomeos barrier cant be made when there is someone or some object to close to him. For example when somebody gets a hold of him - being fast enough - Barto cant create barrier between that person and himself. Or at moment when somebody is too close he cant do anything with his DF and he has to go CQC- that would explain his short dagger-like weapon as compensation of this weakness. Soon Oda will surely show off Barto more and there will be more food for talk that there is now.
I asked a simple question and I see myself writing essays now.
Problem, no I don't have any problem with what you or any other member in here predicts, it just seems absurd to me that Luffy needs to go through two to three more arcs in order to fight an Admiral, a character that is weaker than a Yonkou by a good margin, so I asked myself how long till his able to fight a Yonkou then.
Well, you do seem to have a problem with a completely personal prediction. Whether you admit it or not. I don't how many times I have to explain myself.
Hey I'm just applying your logic, since it will take around two to three arcs for Luffy to fight an Admiral, a character weaker than an Emperor then I asked myself how long till Luffy can match a Yonkou, is really simple.
If you wanted to and did ask yourself, why did you ask me?
And now you're spitting crap. Each one of those encounters showed Luffy that he wasn't ready for the big guns yet. He fought Aokiji, he realized he needed to get more powerful since stronger dudes will keep showing up, he came up with G2 and G3, He went through Kizaru and Akainu in less than 2 weeks, he end up taking a two years break because he realized that he and his crew weren't ready to take in the New World and according to you he's still being outclassed by them, but hey is your opinion so like a politician I respect it.
Like I said literally like ten times before, I won't put Luffy at Admiral level until I see him evenly fight one. It's really that simple. You put Luffy at their level already, a place I don't believe he's at yet, mostly because there is no physical proof in the manga. You also seem to underestimate Admirals.
Why not? One piece is very profitable and I think we all know that If a bag of crap can make a person/company reach they will try to prolong it as much as possible
I'm glad you're not in charge of that decision then.
Go back and check my posts, I never said Luffy needs X period of time If he wants to defeat x character. I asked you the question because of your opinion on the time period which seems absurd to me, but I already said that.
No, but you did ask what time frame it would take for him the compete with Yonkous, who are the "x" characters by association. I gave you an estimation, you found it absurd, big whoop.
This is the Internet and I don't posses one of those scouters that's why I cannot make such a unique and awesome prediction and can't understand yours either.
I find it reasonable, but whatever; we'll just have to agree to disagree on this matter and wait to see what happens.
So what's handling to you? To me is no getting your ass kick in a three seconds flat, which means putting up a fight but to you this might mean something else, so I apologize.
How in the world is not getting beat in three seconds flat equivalent to putting up a fight? That just makes no coherent sense. What if they get beat in four seconds? Or five?
I'm not ignoring shit, I'm just seen things how they are, Luffy said this two arcs ago, he have fought 4 times after Fishman Island and in each one of those times Armament Haki - Hardening have been used, so to my knowledge and to how Oda develops his characters Luffy's Armament Haki should be stronger than what it was in Fishman Island but according to you this phrase that Luffy said back in 2011 still holds his ground in your brain.
2011 for us was three years ago, but it was ~two weeks ago in the One Piece universe. And you are ignoring information straight from the horse's mouth but dismissing it given the time frame. If two weeks ago Luffy couldn't control a bite from a shark with his A. Haki, how is he going to defend himself against head on Haki-imbued attacks from Admirals who you say he is on par with?
And you're not "just see[ing] things how they are" if neither you, I, nor anyone else have seen Luffy fight evenly with Admirals in the manga. That's factual.
Little help = Drugs that completely gets you riled up and doesn't make you feel any pain. Bonny will just turn Hody into a child. Law will cut him in half. Moria will make him vanish. I'm definitely learning your logic.
I'm not talking second rate characters against Hody, I'm talking Marine Admirals against Hody, and I thought Admirals would man-handle Hody far better than Luffy, who you are putting in the same league with.
My question is, did the battle experience help Luffy's opponents yes or no, is pretty simple, you don't have to try to sound smart and bring an award to the table but Oh well.
You are comparing Luffy's past foes against Admirals, you are again underestimating them. They are the cream of the crop of the World Government. There's a HUGE difference in strength between 95% of living pirates and them. Admirals are trained better, have better resources at their disposal, and are groomed to take down hundreds of pirates themselves. The only people alive that would pose a major threat to their lives are Yonkous.
I think "they are", I never said Luffy, Zoro and Sanji can take on an Admiral right now and If I did please bring me the post and Didn't that little text have something that looked an awful like like this (Agree)?
WTF, your whole argument is that Luffy is on par with an Admiral RIGHT NOW, you even say "they" can take on Yonkous. You're not even comprehending what you're even writing man.
Luffy is the only one I'm discussing here and Oda already made a point about Zoro and also made a shinning one about Sanji.
And what would those points be? If you think Luffy can take a Yonkou NOW, then that would mean Zoro and Sanji would be able to take on Admirals evenly. This has not been shown or even implied. Sanji got caught up by a Doflamingo and was about to die by his hands, and Zoro got bitch slapped by an Admiral and managed to just barely land an attack back, had this fight gone on Zoro would need to be resuscitated. What does that say about their captain?
But the Yonkous are right behind their ass right now
Nobody is "right behind" their ass. There is not one Yonkou actively chasing the Strawhat crew because of their insignificance as a threat. Big Mom just wants Caesar even when Luffy outright declared war against her, Kaido probably knows they exist but won't go out of his way to capture them (at least not now), Shanks won't do anything detrimental to Luffy and his crew, and Blackbeard barely gives a rats ass about them, if at that.
so will they get time to develop themselves in order to oppose a threat to them u any other pirates who tracks them down after this incident, don't know only six more arcs can tell, I hope an Admiral doesn't show the next arc because Damn they'll be fucked.
You say you don't know the time frame, but continue to argue about intangibles when I present them as a personal prediction. I openly admit it might take six arcs, or it might not, but I'm fairly certain it will be a while before Luffy can take Admirals and then proceed to Yonkous. Good lord, that's all I said.
First of able the New World is no ruled by the Marines, it is ruled by Pirates
Thank you professor, I wasn't aware of that.
and second of able Yonkous don't go out hunting pirates they sent a subordinate, so the Strawhats fleeing a battle because Law sees it as too risky
Law doesn't call the shots for the Strawhats as a crew, they only answer to Luffy. If Luffy says attack, the crew will do his bidding. Law is irrelevant when paired with Luffy, this is and will become apparent this arc when Luffy beats the snot out of Doflamingo, someone Law was barely able to scratch. At this stage in the game, I personally see Luffy a step or two below Marco. I see Luffy being able to handle Pekoms and Tamago, but not Bobbin or Ben Beckman, and thus not Admirals.
or they are heavy out numbered is what I meant by that statement, is what I meant by real sense of danger.
Numbers advantage for their opponents have never meant much to the Strawhats.
And take it easy, I ain't blaming anybody for my use of that 'line' but If the hat fits you wear it.
You said that phrase flew over my head. It didn't. You typed it and I responded.
So he posses a gravity fruit and he can pull meteors out of space but he's better at throwing things then at cutting and weighting things but
that's the only thing that we have seen him do, so he still an unknown. It makes total sense.
We've barely seen Fugitora do anything, but what he has done so far in this arc shows how dominant of a character he is, appropriate for the position of Admiral. And I don't get what you're saying. Articulate better, if possible.
PS: Are you screaming when you write in uppercase letters?
It shouldn't matter as I don't control the tone of voice in your head when you read capital letters.
Maybe Bartolomeos barrier cant be made when there is someone or some object to close to him. For example when somebody gets a hold of him - being fast enough - Barto cant create barrier between that person and himself. Or at moment when somebody is too close he cant do anything with his DF and he has to go CQC- that would explain his short dagger-like weapon as compensation of this weakness. Soon Oda will surely show off Barto more and there will be more food for talk that there is now.
He should be able to do barrier crush.
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A question
Is TAR natural?
He should be able to do barrier crush.
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A question
Is TAR natural?
Tar is natural, like the tar pits that trapped animals way back leading to their death.
Tar is natural, like the tar pits that trapped animals way back leading to their death.
Good to have confirmation.
Where is Jabra? Is tar good enough for you? It's natural, it kills and is sticky.
Good to have confirmation.
Where is Jabra? Is tar good enough for you? It's natural, it kills and is sticky.
You called?
Yes, it would be good enough for me. KC mentioned it 50 pages ago or so. But the color is a problem, isn't it?
You called?
Yes, it would be good enough for me. KC mentioned it 50 pages ago or so
. Record of ninja'd.
But the color is a problem, isn't it?
Comes down to the color, in anime Trebol is green-grayish in color.
@Buggy's:
Yeah - totally agree he is just like MacBeth…
except without a Lady MacBeth...
and without three witches...
and without a Malcolm...
and without pretty much anything that actually makes MacBeth who he is.
Trust me when I say this, I'll have a massive post on the matter later, and you and everyone else will see the reality too.
EDIT: My god I sound like a cultist indoctrinating other individual. Ahhh.
The way I see it, Barto's barriers are strong enough to withstand any attack that is is not strong enough to pierce it, plain and simple. If an antagonist comes along that is able to pierce his barriers, then we'll know what his limit is. Right now it's just a guessing game that could go around in circles forever.
Nobody in One Piece is completely invincible; I know death is a laughable thing in the One Piece world but when and if the situation calls for it then a character will meet some kind of defeat in order to further the story for someone or something else. Maybe we'll see someone pierce his barriers with Armament Haki, or maybe we won't. It all depends on what kind of role he'll play in the future.
The way I see it, Barto's barriers are strong enough to withstand any attack that is is not strong enough to pierce it, plain and simple. If an antagonist comes along that is able to pierce his barriers, then we'll know what his limit is. Right now it's just a guessing game that could go around in circles forever.
Nobody in One Piece is completely invincible; I know death is a laughable thing in the One Piece world but when and if the situation calls for it then a character will meet some kind of defeat in order to further the story for someone or something else. Maybe we'll see someone pierce his barriers with Armament Haki, or maybe we won't. It all depends on what kind of role he'll play in the future.
Just thought of an episode of Stargate SG1 where they discover that Apophis' energy shield works awesome for fast attacks but it can be circumvented by slow speed ones.
Maybe Barto's barriers work something like that? Work great for fast attacks but not for slow ones?
Dunno: just a thought.
Shouldnt saltwater cancel the barrier? So, maybe a water gun is his weakness??
But seriously, I think you just have to go around the barrier. Or jump over it, it shouldnt stretch too far into the sky.
Diamante should also have no problem as long as he can make the ground floppy and dump Barto into the water.
Shouldnt saltwater cancel the barrier? So, maybe a water gun is his weakness??
Water shouldn't cancel out df abilities, it just makes df users weak. Otherwise there's no way Aokiji could freeze it, or Luffy could stretch in it.
I think his barriers could crack if there was enough force applied. That would include Armaments Haki. I'd like to see how his barriers would work against Elephant, for example. But we'll probably see how he stands against Haki soon. Problem is, it's not like he can't stack barriers one behind the other. Or maybe create thicker ones, like Kyle from Psyren, with his Material High.