Chapter 735: "Fujitora's Intentions"

[RobZilla]

@vagabond87:

I will not argue with you- your thoughts- your thing. If you need all out battle and admiral saying "oh so as they said, you can compete even with me" from Fuji- then its not my fault.
For me its depicted that Doflamingo who has ambition of becoming pirate king is at least as strong as Marco. As I said - its my take on it, I can be proven wrong by manga. Not by you, so dont waste time with asking rather not serious question like your last one. Peace out.

Lol at reading skills. I do wonder where I used word equal. But I seem to have used "just step behind admiral".
Dont lol at people if you didnt gotten them right please.

There's never been any confirmation that Doflamingo wants to be Pirate King, Monet simply believed that.

Even if that was his ambition, that has nothing to do with his strength. Lots of people want to be Pirate King.

There's absolutely nothing to suggest Doflamingo and Marco are equals.

Marco was mentioned in the same breath as the other yonko, as able being able to possibly stop Teach.

Doflamingo is terrified of possibly being attacked by one of those same people Marco is being grouped with.

[vagabond87]

@wolfwood:

Don't make arguments based on nothing solid, and then ask for proof based on something solid.

Anyhow let's all just move on from this now.

So you admit that you dont have solid proof same as I(by pointing that I expect some) but you just disagree with me and take my statement as silly. Mhm. Ok. Because your point of view must be more right because its yours. Okaaaaaaaaayyy.

@RobZilla:

There's never been any confirmation that Doflamingo wants to be Pirate King, Monet simply believed that.

Even if that was his ambition, that has nothing to do with his strength. Lots of people want to be Pirate King.

There's absolutely nothing to suggest Doflamingo and Marco are equals.

Marco was mentioned in the same breath as the other yonko, as able being able to possibly stop Teach.

Doflamingo is terrified of possibly being attacked by one of those same people Marco is being grouped with.

Doflamingo is terrified of possibly all of what he was working for years shattering before his eyes because of Law. He is also afraid to anger Kaido as he would personally kill him - that was sugested. Also Marco was pointed as being able to possibly stop Teach not along with other Yonko but as person with most power after Yonkos that would be interested in stopping Teach from taking Whitebeard territories over.

As for Marco and Doflamingo- I take them both as people that can fight with admirals. And both of them are not very far behind Admirals for me, by almost same margin.
Where is a crime at that? Doflamingos dream was indirectly pointed through Monet and with all his doings it seems that his plan most probably is to in years stand on top of pirates in world. Even his talk about new age points towards ambition like that.

[Myu]

@vagabond87:

Oh my.. Since when I talked about this? Here today I said STEP BEHIND ADMIRAL with a big font as its how I take Doflamingo not showing any fear while attacking admiral head on after he gotten afraid that everything might be at stake for him. It wasnt same with Kuzan when Doflamingo had other options than killing off Smoker(as we see druing whole Dressrosa).
If you see it as "Doffy got mad" then it proves that there is very big chance that I cant elaborate with you as you might ignore all what I write because of simplyfying scenes with Doflamingo druing war, druing his meeting with Kuzan and what happened in last chapter.

Doflamingo was not portrayed as equal of an admiral but as person very close to top fighters like them. As I said its my take so dont agree with it? Thats ok :)
Next time if somebody gets to quote me- get better argumentation than "Doflamingo aint even close. Sorry" or "Doffy just gotten mad" and "it aint true" while not providing any argument of value that can make my statement be stamped as "proven wrong"

First of all Doffy had no other options in my point of view. I don't know why Smoker haven't told about Doffy being Joker and Vergo to Sakazuki. If that were to be the case he would lose a lot. But that wasn't our discussion.

When i said Doffy got mad i didn't mean his anger overflew so much he lost his head but he just didn't like what he heard. And went FUCK YOU ISSHOU. He is just that type of person.

Oh by the way I didn't meant you thought Doffy is admiral level. It's just that in my previous post I assumed he is and even that were to be the case that kick wouldn't tell that to us. Other than that I agree he is a very capable fighter but I won't argue to what degree it is. But I have high hopes for his fight with Luffy. Since we have never seen two CoC users, whose dreams are still alive going to the end with each other right?

[satkmit]

Hi Guys!

Did you guys see!!! that the stone which luffy was carrying was actually a poneglyph! :ninja:

[No Maam]

Awesome chapter, and was so not expecting Machvise to start doing things now too.

[Juvar]

Good chapter, things are progressing nicely. I liked that page of Sabo walking into the colosseum at the end - and we still haven't seen his face! I wonder when we will, finally.

Seems like Doffy is fucked whatever happens, really, but Issho won't have to do it since Luffy is gonna beat him first.

[FranzLome]

Señor Pink eats tomatoes raw. He wipes his mouth a his groupie's bikini top. He brushes his teeth wit ha shoe brush. He only swims when he wants to. He sterilizes his wounds with brandy…

Señor Pink is so hardboiled, he's One Piece's Bill Brasky.

Señor Pink once inhaled a news coo.

Señor Pink sheds his skin once a year!

If you drop a phonograph needle on Señor Pink's nipple, it plays the Soul King's "Bone to be Wild".

They once found 6000 berries in change in Señor Pink's stomach.

Señor Pink grew a third arm and kept it in a seastone vault!

Señor Pink jogs with a fridge on his back.

We once had a bachelor party for Señor Pink. He ate the entire cake before we could tell him there was a stripper in it.

HARDBOILED.

[oneku san]

Franky's matchup is great! they seems to be the same kind of romantic warriors as he is

[vagabond87]

@Myu:

First of all Doffy had no other options in my point of view. I don't know why Smoker haven't told about Doffy being Joker and Vergo to Sakazuki. If that were to be the case he would lose a lot. But that wasn't our discussion.

When i said Doffy got mad i didn't mean his anger overflew so much he lost his head but he just didn't like what he heard. And went FUCK YOU ISSHOU. He is just that type of person.

Oh by the way I didn't meant you thought Doffy is admiral level. It's just that in my previous post I assumed he is and even that were to be the case that kick wouldn't tell that to us. Other than that I agree he is a very capable fighter but I won't argue to what degree it is. But I have high hopes for his fight with Luffy. Since we have never seen two CoC users, whose dreams are still alive going to the end with each other right?

He is not. He is calculating type. Head of underworld and master in games so to say as Law said. He is not type to go against Admiral like that- he would just lost it with Kuzan if he would be like that.

I also have great expectations over fight of Luffy and Doffy but I do feel kind of bad for Doflamingo(even though he is one of worst - most purely evil end egocentric characters in OP).
He and Luffy seem to have same ambition and more probably Doflamingo will lost all that he had- thanks to strawhats. CoC haki clashes will make fight even more flashy most probably - also I would love to see some more of info about CoC that seems to be not all that special for now against enemies different than fodders.
It might affect DF users in way that we dont know yet.

[Monkey D. Boa]

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[RobZilla]

@vagabond87:

So you admit that you dont have solid proof same as I(by pointing that I expect some) but you just disagree with me and take my statement as silly. Mhm. Ok. Because your point of view must be more right because its yours. Okaaaaaaaaayyy.

Doflamingo is terrified of possibly all of what he was working for years shattering before his eyes because of Law. He is also afraid to anger Kaido as he would personally kill him - that was sugested. Also Marco was pointed as being able to possibly stop Teach not along with other Yonko but as person with most power after Yonkos that would be interested in stopping Teach from taking Whitebeard territories over.

As for Marco and Doflamingo- I take them both as people that can fight with admirals. And both of them are not very far behind Admirals for me, by almost same margin.
Where is a crime at that? Doflamingos dream was indirectly pointed through Monet and with all his doings it seems that his plan most probably is to in years stand on top of pirates in world. Even his talk about new age points towards ambition like that.

They said he was one of the people capable of stopping Teach, the others capable of doing so being the other Yonko. He was grouped in with them, suggesting a roughly equal level of power.

Dofla only started sweating when he realised what would happen if Kaido, a Yonko, were to come for him. He'd be massacred. With Marco being grouped in with a guy that makes Doffy sweat should be enough to infer that they are not equals.

We have no idea what Doffy's ambition is, and in the context of this discussion, doesn't actually matter anyway.

[Monkey D. Boa]

@satkmit:

Hi Guys!

Did you guys see!!! that the stone which luffy was carrying was actually a poneglyph! :ninja:

That looked like a regular stone to me.

[Dohs]

@Xalvar:

Hakuba is going to scare the shit out of Sugar when she tries to convert Cavendish in toy XD

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140115210214/onepiece/images/e/e6/Hakuba.png

That would be great. Would be quite lame if he was transformed into toy without putting out some fight after his unlucky lose in his block due to falling asleep :/

[wolfwood]

@vagabond87:

So you admit that you dont have solid proof same as I(by pointing that I expect some) but you just disagree with me and take my statement as silly. Mhm. Ok. Because your point of view must be more right because its yours. Okaaaaaaaaayyy.

They are silly. Because they are entirely unfounded. You make definitive statements based on nothing.

And then when people point out that you do that you say oh yeah where in the manga does it say it's wrong.

But yes it's also because i'm psychic. I foresee this potential shitstorm ending now.

Make a final grandstand where you point out that i'm not Oda, and that anything can happen if you'd like but then it's ended

[Myu]

He might be like that overall. But my interpretation to is to why he kicked him in the first place because he didn't like what he heard. Maybe be because it ruined his previou 'calculations'. But that's my interpretation of it anyway.

[wolfwood]

That goes for you guys too. And me too obviously lol

[RobZilla]

@wolfwood:

They are silly. Because they are entirely unfounded. You make definitive statements based on nothing.

And then when people point out that you do that you say oh yeah where in the manga does it say it's wrong.

But yes it's also because i'm psychic. I foresee this potential shitstorm ending now.

Make a final grandstand where you point out that i'm not Oda, and that anything can happen if you'd like but then it's ended

The real news coming from this chapter isn't silly power level discussions anyway, it's that we have

INCOMING DIAMANTE

[Louis-1988]

@oneku:

Franky's matchup is great! they seems to be the same kind of romantic warriors as he is

A perverted, thong wearing cyborg vs. A hard-boiled, diaper clad man-child. This fight is a mans romance! Bastille and Machvice need to go take a walk.

[TheCrystalShip]

@Louis-1988:

A perverted, thong wearing cyborg vs. A hard-boiled, diaper clad man-child. This fight is a mans romance~ Bastille and Machvice need to go take a walk.

Nah, Machvise can stay.

The only thing Bastille has in common with them is that he's about the same size LOL.

[wolfwood]

Guess the ton ton fruit is just the upgraded version of Miss Valentine's df.

Makes sense now that we know that there are tiers of each variety

[TheCrystalShip]

@wolfwood:

Makes sense now that we know that there are tiers of each variety

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[wolfwood]

@TheCrystalShip:

????????????????

Lava > Fire
Ice > Snow
Ton > Kilo

And so on. We've been seeing alot of it recently

[ciigan]

Am i the only one who is "disappointing" by DD underlings? They look kinda weak.
Those that we sow in action (6 out of 13), they don't look stronger than SP-9 agents, and they don't look like they can beat Moria underlings as well.
Therefore, i don't have high hopes for Pica, Diamond and Trebol.

[vagabond87]

@Myu:

He might be like that overall. But my interpretation to is to why he kicked him in the first place because he didn't like what he heard. Maybe be because it ruined his previou 'calculations'. But that's my interpretation of it anyway.

I know its not best translation but here
http://i997.mangareader.net/one-piece/735/one-piece-4739707.jpg Doflamingo understood that Fujitora is aiming at him in a way and he went for showing of sorts that he is not afraid/ that he can take on Fujitora. It was out of emotions - yes - but it was meant to show something as well.

Wolfwood - I have right to defent myslef from being called silly when I do have different view than you :ninja: I am being tense probably and thats why people get tense as well, a bit of my bad

[RobZilla]

@ciigan:

Am i the only one who is "disappointing" by DD underlings? They look kinda weak.
Those that we sow in action (6 out of 13), they don't look stronger than SP-9 agents, and they don't look like they can beat Moria underlings as well.
Therefore, i don't have high hopes for Pica, Diamond and Trebol.

Those 3 are the same rank as Vergo…Vergo was a beast.

[Redrum]

@vagabond87:

I know its not best translation but here
http://i997.mangareader.net/one-piece/735/one-piece-4739707.jpg Doflamingo understood that Fujitora is aiming at him in a way and he went for showing of sorts that he is not afraid/ that he can take on Fujitora. It was out of emotions - yes - but it was meant to show something as well.

Wolfwood - I have right to defent myslef from being called silly when I do have different view than you :ninja: I am being tense probably and thats why people get tense as well, a bit of my bad

Should never trust mangareader/mangapanda for translations

[Dohs]

@TonyTony:

Loved Fujitora's speech specially when he talked about Reverie because everytime it was mentioned I can't help but picturing the Strawhats entering the meeting place declaring the war "again" against the world government then most of the countries side's with them leaving the Gorosei in shock of how much influence the strawhats have.

Woah that would be uber epic. Too bad it seems too early for me for that ;/ Or maybe… :>

[wolfwood]

I dunno, kinda like that Doffy's guys don't look like typical tough guys. Makes 'em more endearing.

Like these two mugs, ones some kind of fat sailor and the others well self-explanatory

[Nightmareluffy123]

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[RobZilla]

I really hope Senor Pink continues his whole "I only swim when I want to" thing and as a result takes a Franky Radical Beam to the face.

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@Nightmareluffy123:

I think Marco and Doffy are equal I don't know really why Marco is so overrated yes he has awsome fruit and some haki but offense is lacking!! Doffy seems to have stronger offense

This is over, you heard the wolf.

[wolfwood]

You're fast on the draw ain't ya Rob

[TheCrystalShip]

@wolfwood:

Lava > Fire
Ice > Snow
Ton > Kilo

And so on. We've been seeing alot of it recently

Really, we need taxonomy for this shit,

Genus: Going-up-and-Down

Kilo
Ton
Shiki's Fruit
Purple Guy's Fruit

Descended from the Same Ancestor:

Yami Yami

And so on.

[RobZilla]

I'm the fastest power level debater in the Park.

I also know when to stop though.

[wolfwood]

@TheCrystalShip:

Really, we need taxonomy for this shit,

Genus: Going-up-and-Down

Kilo
Ton
Shiki's Fruit
Purple Guy's Fruit

Descended from the Same Ancestor:

Yami Yami

And so on.

That's actually a really clever idea. Families of devil fruit powers.

Oh i see you are in the mass family are you

[D.aelthasaar]

Loved the chapter.
Loved TEH Franky.
Amazing Fujitora silencing Dofla and stopping his kick like it was the kick of a noob.

Loved the hint for the Reverie, sum it with Law's belief that D. will bring forth the storm once again and the hype gets to max level.

[ciigan]

@RobZilla:

Those 3 are the same rank as Vergo…Vergo was a beast.

I think Vergo was an Elite officer and these three are commanders of an army (pica army and so on)
And i did not include Vergo and Monet (i simply forgot about them), these guys are strong.

[Razh]

While Machvise did say "ton ton", it doesn't have to mean it's the same fruit as Miss Valentine's only with different measuring unit. Would be weird decision by Oda, to say the least. What's next, pund pund fruit?

And yeah, I remember there was fire and lava, and even worse, ice and snow (tiny ice crystals).

But it's not like it's something I couldn't get over.

[wolfwood]

@ciigan:

I think Vergo was an Elite officer and these three are commanders of an army (pica army and so on)
And i did not include Vergo and Monet (i simply forgot about them), these guys are strong.

Nope. Just poor translation making it seem like that.

Vergo, Pica, Diamante and Trebol are all of the same rank.

[RobZilla]

The awkward cousin Yami Yami is once removed on Ton Ton's mothers side.

[ciigan]

@TheCrystalShip:

Really, we need taxonomy for this shit,

Genus: Going-up-and-Down

Kilo
Ton
Shiki's Fruit
Purple Guy's Fruit

Descended from the Same Ancestor:

Yami Yami

And so on.

Also Alvida's DF, Kalifa's DF and Tsuru's DF are similar

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@wolfwood:

Nope. Just poor translation making it seem like that.

Vergo, Pica, Diamante and Trebol are all of the same rank.

I took this translation from batoto, i thought it provides best translation.

[wolfwood]

In her honor i suggest we call it a Taytay tree.

[Razza]

Can't wait to see what Sabo will do in that arena. From what we've seen of Jesus he's a more close combat type of guy while Bec and Barto are more keep your distance. Can see an accidental misjump causing disqualification happening easily.

So Fuji wants to go after Luffy to save the town because he has a really nicely muddled justice compared to a lot of other characters. He believes in the kindness and good of people but will prevent anything from ever possibly disturbing this, which is more absolute in the end. Take away the warlords because they can do such wrong in the shadows although, cause minimum disruption while doing so.

[Bigivel]

@wolfwood:

Lava > Fire
Ice > Snow
Ton > Kilo

And so on. We've been seeing alot of it recently

Well even if that is what Oda is going for that, Lava and Fire are two different things(Lava is hot rock in liquid form, Fire is the chemical process of combustion), Ice and Snow are two different thing(Ice is cold water in solid form, Snow is small particles of ice in form of flakes), while Ton and Kilo are interchangeable(both are weight unit of measure and a Ton is ~1000 Kilos).

I would say that Machvise killed Mr. Valentine and know have her power :ninja:

[Aohige_AP]

@vagabond87:

I will not argue with you- your thoughts- your thing. If you need all out battle and admiral saying "oh so as they said, you can compete even with me" from Fuji- then its not my fault.
For me its depicted that Doflamingo who has ambition of becoming pirate king is at least as strong as Marco. As I said - its my take on it, I can be proven wrong by manga. Not by you, so dont waste time with asking rather not serious question like your last one. Peace out.

Lol at reading skills. I do wonder where I used word equal. But I seem to have used "just step behind admiral".
Dont lol at people if you didnt gotten them right please.

Uh…. you first say "it's just my opinion and I'm not going to explain why or substantiate with evidence"
then in the next breath you accuse others of lack of reading skills.

Do you not see the hypocrisy in this?

[Funky]

What is Koala supposed to do? Just spectate? I was hoping she would be giving Franky a helping hand.

[Razh]

@Bigivel:

Well even if that is what Oda is going for that, Lava and Fire are two different things(Lava is hot rock in liquid form, Fire is the chemical process of combustion), Ice and Snow are two different thing(Ice is cold water in solid form, Snow is small particles of ice in form of flakes), while Ton and Kilo are interchangeable(both are weight unit of measure and a Ton is ~1000 Kilos).

I would say that Machvise killed Mr. Valentine and know have her power :ninja:

Ice and snow are the same thing. As you say, snow flakes are tiny crystals of ice. It means Aokiji should be able to to anything Monet can do.

[Dohs]

@billg7:

vergo had a bamboo stick and it was badass

In One Piece you can fight with anything as long as you have haki to back it up :P

[Razh]

@Razza:

So Fuji wants to go after Luffy to save the town because he has a really nicely muddled justice compared to a lot of other characters. He believes in the kindness and good of people but will prevent anything from ever possibly disturbing this, which is more absolute in the end. Take away the warlords because they can do such wrong in the shadows although, cause minimum disruption while doing so.

Well luckily for Zoro or whoever gets to fight Fuji, this means he won't be able to go Armageddon on his enemy, since there would be a lot of collateral damage. He will be limited to close quarters gravity increase/decrease.

[akagami7]

lol at sabo simply painting luffy's scar over his chest.