@Dr.:
I wouldnt even consider her a women. I dont see any other girls at her level or even close to it. She is probably the only exception.
Stop being sexist.
The Monet Problem: An Arlong Park Wager
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She is alive because she is not dead. Elemental logic :ninja:
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Im not being sexist. They are hermaphodites. They were born with dicks. They look like okama, dare I say the okamas look prettier then them.
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So women have to look beautiful to be women. Okay.
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Dadan is ugly and not powerful but katarina devon and big m take the cake when it comes to being the ugliest characters in one piece.
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It only took a week for someone to ignite new sexism debate. We will all be dead by 16th.
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Speaking the truth isnt sexism.
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@Dr.:
How many crews have we seen with more then 2 women on them besides the kuja pirates? The last 2 member will be guys. Jinbe and 1 more guy. You cant beat yonkou's with weak women in the crew.
This is what makes your statement before sexist, but the other stuff you've said has added to it.
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Well it's pretty sad either way that he's judging the beauty of manga characters. You shouldn't feel sexual attractions to drawings…
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@Dr.:
Speaking the truth isnt sexism.
What you're saying isn't truth, though. No matter how you look at it.
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@Dr.:
She doesnt have to cry and give a story about her life like ace did. Oda is just killing off a character that doesnt belong in the story anymore. The reason why people question her death is because you all liked her character, just like any other new girl character and automatically assume she is NN material.
People are just sceptical when it comes to death in OP. A great post you should really read:@RobbyBevard:
Its one thing for a hero character to fight till they drop, bloodied and wounded, having given it their all, and then get up later. That's shonen, and its perfectly fine for killer snow bunnies to do so in Drum, or for Zoro to take in deadly ammounts of pain from Kuma and survive, that's just shonen endurance.
Its not the death itself thats a problem. If it was just death, whatever, the slaughter of Brook's entire crew is plenty. Oda once used to use it surgically and well, and he would imply deaths offscreen, and every now and again, have a flashback with some hrribly traumatic violent murdering. I'm not bloodthirsty, its that Oda himself has gone to great lengths to undo any and all deaths in the course of the series, gradually more and more and more, to the point he's undermining his own drama.
Vivi whined and complained about people dying in her kingdom, and Luffy had a great speech about how "People die!" and that was great, except none of that was felt or shown. As far as we saw, that entire Alabasta war went off without a single casualty, despite all the talk about them. Pell was the perfect symbol for the cost of the war. Just ONE guy, who we'd never see again after the series left that area anyway. Just ONE guy…who took a NUKE TO THE FACE... any symolized all the costs of loss and sacrifice and tragedy and pointlessness of war, and was all that was needed to play fair on the drama of the entire arc... but he survived.
Every single last person on Skypedia that Enel killed… was fine after he was beaten. They'd just been hit by bolts of lighting, but they were fine, even the random schlubs who had been hit at the start of the arc, were fine, 80 chapters later. Everything was 100% hunky dory. Basically, if the strawhats hadn't shown up, Enel would have gotten on his ship, left for the moon, and nothing would have changed at all. Which, okay, fine.
But then he "killed" the Franky Family. Except by then already no one believed it, we all knew they'd be fine in a chapter or 2, which took out the drama, but we still sort of went "Oh hey, is Oda actually killing in real time? Nah, they're fine."
But then he "killed" that peasant at Sabondy, had a collar explode around his neck, shot, and then a dog peed on him. but we still sort of went "Oh hey, is Oda actually killing in real time? Nah, they're fine."
But then he "killed" a trickster pirate who bit off his own tounge rather than be a slave, and Sanji even commented, "He would rather die than be a slave". And we still sort of went "Oh hey, is Oda actually killing in real time?"Except, NEXT chapter, the guy is running around in the background shooting guns.
Etc. etc, insert a couple dozen more examples here including all the villains getting pleasant coverstories after their horrible crimes.
The problem is NOT that Oda doesn't kill, I'm not bloodthirsty and obviously the story doesn't need it to be good, and many action series have countless violent acts but with no actual death and the drama remains intact. The problem is that Oda uses death as a dramatic device, but then takes the drama out of it by backing out and saying "No, they're fine!", which undercuts things. There's no sense of risk or drama or achievement if any random shmuck on the street can survive the same kind of brutal beating that a main shonen hero can, and it takes the teeth out of villains and the sense of accomplishment away from the heroes.
Bon Kurei? No way Magellan killed him. Its POSSIBLE we'll never see him again and we can assume he's dead, but I entirely expect to see a cutaway in 30 chapters after the arc is over that shows him dancing in the new Okama Hell, and he even let lufy say "No, I think Bon is going to be fine!" . Oars? Gonna get a giant peg leg and be just as happy about it as his hat. that runaway marine that got hit by lava? Just got a suntan. Boa is even turning soldiers partially to stone and breaking parts of them off, but no fatal attacks yet. We're all EXPECTING Whitebeard to fall, and maybe thats dramatically and symbolically what Oda has been saving up for deathwise, as a major realtime death, but at the same time, I really half expect him to win the day then die of a disease after, accompanied by a long dramatic speech. Which is cool, which is fine, but it also cuts away any feeling of danger of the moment.
And at this point, the consistency of non-death after using death as a storytelling device, its built up to the point where we activley doubt what any character does, which makes the characters weaker, and the story less impactful. And if it were a goofy comedy series from the start, it wouldn't be an issue. But for the first 5 or 7 years, it DID have those costs and risks and expert usage of death, so that at this point it seems like pussyfooting. Thats where the problem lies.
Oda, by promising a certain level of emotional honesty, then not delivering, has, over time, affected his overall storytelling ability. Its a legitimate flaw. If he DIDN'T pretend characters actually died and then pull back on it, it would be fine. Fighting until you collapse while bleeding heavily, then getting up later is legit and works. Having a character commit suicide, have others mourn and comment on the tragedy of it, and then go "just kidding!" it loses its touch. Its not a desire to see blood or death or any feeling that would make the series better, its a matter of honest storytelling. Its the reason Dragonball stopped playing drama on characters dying. After Krillin bought it the second time on Namek, it was magic wish resurrection free for alls, and characters started dying by the dozen with no real lasting consequence, and as a result, Toriyama stopped having characters mourn about it, it became a minor obstacle used just to remove a fighter from combat, but he didn't treat it like a tragedy anymore either. (Bulma even made jokes about it when they thought Goku died on Namek.)
For the one flaw to be there, that didn't USED to be there, amongst all of Oda's other brillance and great execution and inventive ideas and mostly excellent storytelling, is just slowly but surely jarring. Bon Kurei's sacrifice got me heavily the first time or two, then it sank in that "No, he's not REALLY sacrificing anything. He'll be fine and dancing off camera in no time." Either treat death as a legitimate cost and threat, or don't, the story works fine EITHER way. Its that akward middle ground that mucks it up.
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That was a really good read. People need to understand that when a magma fist goes through your back and stomach, and when a heart is stabbed and bleeds out then they're dead. A visible heart at that, not through the chest but a heart you can see visibly. This whole argument and poll is pointless. SHES DEAD FOLKS, BUT MAYBE, JUST MAYBE HOGBACK WILL REVIVE HER ONE DAY. KEEP YOUR HEADS UP KIDS AND HAPPY NEW YEARS :-D
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@Dr.:
That was a really good read. People need to understand that when a magma fist goes through your back and stomach, and when a heart is stabbed and bleeds out then they're dead. A visible heart at that, not through the chest but a heart you can see visibly. This whole argument and poll is pointless. SHES DEAD FOLKS, BUT MAYBE, JUST MAYBE HOGBACK WILL REVIVE HER ONE DAY. KEEP YOUR HEADS UP KIDS AND HAPPY NEW YEARS :-D
The argument isn't pointless, or else the thread would have been closed by now.
And comparing Ace to Monet isn't smart because Ace was a much more important character with a bigger impact on the story. Monet dying won't change the story that much, so she will be fine.
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@Foxy:
The argument isn't pointless, or else the thread would have been closed by now.
And comparing Ace to Monet isn't smart because Ace was a much more important character with a bigger impact on the story. Monet dying won't change the story that much, so she will be fine.
this thread is open because the mods have drunken goggles on and can't see how retarted this thread is.
exactly ace is a more important and shes not, she's an evil girl who drugged little kids knew what would happen to them, she deserved what she got just like law said. She was never Sh material either.I know that there is still some questions that aren't answered yet about her. but im sure we can make some correct guesses about her.
1. her df ability./ Its either a mythical zoan harpy type snow or cesar can some how infuse two df into 1.
i guess thats about it
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@Dr.:
this thread is open because the mods have drunken goggles on and can't see how retarted this thread is.
exactly ace is a more important and shes not, she's an evil girl who drugged little kids knew what would happen to them, she deserved what she got just like law said. She was never Sh material either.I know that there is still some questions that aren't answered yet about her. but im sure we can make some correct guesses about her.
1. her df ability./ Its either a mythical zoan harpy type snow or cesar can some how infuse two df into 1.
i guess thats about it
.I hope you know that if you keep saying how pointless the thread is, the mods will kick you out.
And you keep disregarding nearly 700 chapters of One Piece if you think Monet is done.
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@Foxy:
I hope you know that if you keep saying how pointless the thread is, the mods will kick you out.
And you keep disregarding nearly 700 chapters of One Piece if you think Monet is done.
I guess the only way a person in one piece can die is by kamahamaha or spirit bomb lol. After the next chapter you should expect me to troll you for awhile for this "monet problem".
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@Dr.:
She doesnt have to cry and give a story about her life like ace did. Oda is just killing off a character that doesnt belong in the story anymore. The reason why people question her death is because you all liked her character, just like any other new girl character and automatically assume she is NN material.
this thread is open because the mods have drunken goggles on and can't see how retarted this thread is.
exactly ace is a more important and shes not, she's an evil girl who drugged little kids knew what would happen to them, she deserved what she got just like law said. She was never Sh material either.
I know that there is still some questions that aren't answered yet about her. but im sure we can make some correct guesses about her.1. her df ability./ Its either a mythical zoan harpy type snow or cesar can some how infuse two df into 1.
i guess thats about it
.you do realize that still is not a good enough reason to kill her? i really like how you decide on your own that she doesnt belong in the manga anymore with nothing to base it on just your own point of view. whats does your own hate or logic on what is good or bad towards her doings has anything to do with her ending up dead? there were far more evil characters that were introduced that are still alive and kicking.
Also i never knew that you had to be SH material to have a chance to be alive in the manga :ninja:
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@Dr.:
1. her df ability./ Its either a mythical zoan harpy type snow or cesar can some how infuse two df into 1.
Why are you speculating that her DF ability is a zoan when she's already been confirmed as a snow logia user?
Those wings are most likely just an extension of her snow abilities as Mr.3's are with his wax. You can even see that the wings "melt away" when they came in contact with a hot substance:
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As far as those legs are concerned, I think the best bet is to conclude that this is due to Law's tampering. He's been mixing everyone with animal hind legs. I can't see this being a case a double devil fruit fusion.
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@Dr.:
Im not being sexist. They are hermaphodites. They were born with dicks. They look like okama, dare I say the okamas look prettier then them.
@Dr.:
Dadan is ugly and not powerful but katarina devon and big m take the cake when it comes to being the ugliest characters in one piece.
Where is the banhammer on this guy? Blatant sexism in this forum should not be tolerated.
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@Dr.:
Im not being sexist. They are hermaphodites. They were born with dicks. They look like okama, dare I say the okamas look prettier then them.
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@Dr.:
I wouldnt even consider her a women. I dont see any other girls at her level or even close to it. She is probably the only exception.
If Big Mam isn't a woman, then what is she?
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Big Mam is probably part of the new species Oda was talking about.
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@Foxy:
Well it's pretty sad either way that he's judging the beauty of manga characters. You shouldn't feel sexual attractions to drawings…
This is why the hentai market in Japan has an unfathomably large supply of manga for readers to feel sexual attractions to drawings. Hell dude, when I was a kid, I'd play this game with pixels called KidzArt or something which let you draw pixelated art with templates, and I'd use the color of sand (closest to skin I could find) to make a pixelated woman with red-dotted round curves on her chest. And I was attracted to that. Literally pixels.
Monet ain't too bad looking, either, even when compared to my pixel art masterpiece. The human brain seems to naturally enjoy curves when it relates to attraction.
The belief that women have to be beautiful to be worthy sucks and Monet is deaaaayuuuudddd
It's also pretty interesting that people used to think Whitebeard would die by a disease. I'd say it's -almost- as unexpected as Ace's death that he was shot down by regular gunfire (but what did him in was that pushing him over the edge from his other grave wounds). I want to believe Monet is dead, yeah. But Robby did point out something I didn't factor in: that icicle didn't go all the way through her heart. And while that would be deadly in real life, the One Piece world lets you survive bazookas to the face. Oda could cop out of this by having Doflamingo or someone save her and restore her from near-critical condition, all because it didn't actually go through the whole heart… Dammit.
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I'd be fine with Monet surviving as long as their is a feasible in lore explanation for it. If it's something like DoFlamingo stitches her heart back together I'd be fine with it, but if it ends up being some bullshit like 1 in 99 people survive a being pierced through the heart then I'd be annoyed. That's one of the reasons why I hate the Pell incident so much, we were given no explanation of how he could have possibly survived the explosion he just did.
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I want to believe Monet is dead, yeah. But Robby did point out something I didn't factor in: that icicle didn't go all the way through her heart. And while that would be deadly in real life, the One Piece world lets you survive bazookas to the face. Oda could cop out of this by having Doflamingo or someone save her and restore her from near-critical condition, all because it didn't actually go through the whole heart… Dammit.
In all honesty, I don't see this. It looks to me more to be the blood running down on the outside of the cube
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In all honesty, I don't see this. It looks to me more to be the blood running down on the outside of the cube
It clearly is, a heart isn't transparent enough to see a friggin icicle inside it.
As a general comment, not directed at anyone in particular: why do some people insists on their opinion being the "obvious" outcome?
If it was obvious we wouldn't have half the voters offering a dissenting opinion.
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Only 19 pages and the obnoxiousness is worse than the "Moria's Fate" thread.
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@Dr.:
I guess the only way a person in one piece can die is by kamahamaha or spirit bomb lol. After the next chapter you should expect me to troll you for awhile for this "monet problem".
You're already trolling everyone.
And at the rate you're going you'll be banned soon anyway.
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@Dr.:
Im not being sexist. They are hermaphodites. They were born with dicks. They look like okama, dare I say the okamas look prettier then them.
Ohh man..How did I miss this little gem?
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This is why the hentai market in Japan has an unfathomably large supply of manga for readers to feel sexual attractions to drawings. Hell dude, when I was a kid, I'd play this game with pixels called KidzArt or something which let you draw pixelated art with templates, and I'd use the color of sand (closest to skin I could find) to make a pixelated woman with red-dotted round curves on her chest. And I was attracted to that. Literally pixels.
Monet ain't too bad looking, either, even when compared to my pixel art masterpiece. The human brain seems to naturally enjoy curves when it relates to attraction.
The belief that women have to be beautiful to be worthy sucks and Monet is deaaaayuuuudddd
It's also pretty interesting that people used to think Whitebeard would die by a disease. I'd say it's -almost- as unexpected as Ace's death that he was shot down by regular gunfire (but what did him in was that pushing him over the edge from his other grave wounds). I want to believe Monet is dead, yeah. But Robby did point out something I didn't factor in: that icicle didn't go all the way through her heart. And while that would be deadly in real life, the One Piece world lets you survive bazookas to the face. Oda could cop out of this by having Doflamingo or someone save her and restore her from near-critical condition, all because it didn't actually go through the whole heart… Dammit.
I never understood why people watch hentai…the proportions are unrealistic, not to mention it's an animation people are wacking off to. Instead of watching that why don't people just watch real actual 3-dimensial porn?
But Japan is fucking weird so that explains it.
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Monet is alive because Oda would want her to be so, as he could do lots of cool things with her character… that's what I'd like to say. But truely, given Oda's track record, Monet being alive is just the safest bet.
Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!
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Has anyone mentioned that the RL-survival rate for patients who were stabbed in the heart is roughly 1 in 3?.
! [h=1]Penetrating cardiac injuries: a population-based study.[/h]Rhee PM, Foy H, Kaufmann C, Areola C, Boyle E, Maier RV, Jurkovich G.
[h=3]Source[/h]Harborview Injury Prevention Center, Seattle, WA, USA.
! [h=3]Abstract[/h][h=4]BACKGROUND:[/h]Wide variances exist in reports of survival rates after penetrating cardiac injuries because most are hospital-based reports and thus are affected by the local trauma system. The objective of this study was to report population-based, as well as hospital-based, survival rates after penetrating cardiac injury.
[h=4]METHODS:[/h]Retrospective cohort analysis was performed during a 7-year period of 20,181 consecutive trauma admissions to a regional Level I trauma center and 6,492 medical examiner's reports. A meta-analysis was performed comparing survival rates with available population-based reports.
[h=4]RESULTS:[/h]There were 212 penetrating cardiac injuries identified, for an incidence of approximately 1 per 100,000 man years and 1 per 210 admissions. The overall survival rate was 19.3% (41 of 212) for the population studied, with survival rates of 9.7% (12 of 123) for gunshot wounds and 32.6% (29 of 89) for stab wounds. Ninety-six of the 212 patients were transported to the trauma center for treatment, resulting in an overall hospital survival rate of 42.7% (41 of 96), with a hospital survival rate of 29.3% (12 of 41) for gunshot wounds and 52.7% (29 of 55) for stab wounds.
[h=4]CONCLUSION:[/h]Review of population-based studies indicates that there has been only a minor improvement in the survival rates for the treatment of penetrating cardiac injuries.
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Has anyone mentioned that the RL-survival rate for patients who were stabbed in the heart is roughly 1 in 3?.
! Penetrating cardiac injuries: a population-based study.
! Rhee PM, Foy H, Kaufmann C, Areola C, Boyle E, Maier RV, Jurkovich G.
Source
! Harborview Injury Prevention Center, Seattle, WA, USA.
! Abstract
! BACKGROUND:
! Wide variances exist in reports of survival rates after penetrating cardiac injuries because most are hospital-based reports and thus are affected by the local trauma system. The objective of this study was to report population-based, as well as hospital-based, survival rates after penetrating cardiac injury.
METHODS:
! Retrospective cohort analysis was performed during a 7-year period of 20,181 consecutive trauma admissions to a regional Level I trauma center and 6,492 medical examiner's reports. A meta-analysis was performed comparing survival rates with available population-based reports.
RESULTS:
! There were 212 penetrating cardiac injuries identified, for an incidence of approximately 1 per 100,000 man years and 1 per 210 admissions. The overall survival rate was 19.3% (41 of 212) for the population studied, with survival rates of 9.7% (12 of 123) for gunshot wounds and 32.6% (29 of 89) for stab wounds. Ninety-six of the 212 patients were transported to the trauma center for treatment, resulting in an overall hospital survival rate of 42.7% (41 of 96), with a hospital survival rate of 29.3% (12 of 41) for gunshot wounds and 52.7% (29 of 55) for stab wounds.
CONCLUSION:
! Review of population-based studies indicates that there has been only a minor improvement in the survival rates for the treatment of penetrating cardiac injuries.That's also taking in account immediate medical treatment after the stabbing. You can't hope to survive if nobody does anything about all that blood gushing out of your heart.
In other words, Monet's survival isn't unlikely at all, as long as she gets proper treatment.
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Sign me up for dead :)
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If this were a different series, Monet would totally be dead.
But. It's One Piece and Oda can't help himself. Her death doesn't serve any story point, but the crushing of her dream and growing from the experience does. So, she's alive.
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I voted Dead. I don't believe she is literally dead, but her character growth will be 'dead' after this arc until she makes a return in either cover stories or future arcs.
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I'm going for dead, mostly because I'll find it pretty unreasonable if she isn't.
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I'm going for dead, mostly because I'll find it pretty unreasonable if she isn't.
Quite frankly Pell and Pagaya being alive is arguebly unreasonable but they are.
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Both were also good guys. It's more likely for them to survive since they're not evil.
Though this theory probably doesn't completely exclude bad or evil characters, it's a point that few have brought up in the comparison of deaths.
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Both were also good guys. It's more likely for them to survive since they're not evil.
Though this theory probably doesn't completely exclude bad or evil characters, it's a point that few have brought up in the comparison of deaths.
In this series more good guys have died than bad guys so that theory doesn't really hold up
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Bad guys get cover stories to turn over new leaves and reddem themselves.
Even crazy murderous bastard like Lucchi can go on to become an upstanding protector of the downtrodden. And Mr. 1 can be a superhero. And the rest of baroque works can open a cafe… and Wapol cna make toys and marry Miss Universe and become a Dark Emporer... and Enel can go to the moon...
and stuff.
Note that Arlong gets no such redemption.
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But this is the New World, Robby. It's supposed to be dark, girtty and full of death.
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Quite frankly Pell and Pagaya being alive is arguebly unreasonable but they are.
Again, why the hell do people keep comparing Pell/Pagaya with what happened to Monet? There were no panels that explicitly showed them receiving damage to a vital organ like their brain or their heart. Someone receiving a life threatening shock or seemingly being in the proximity or a huge blast should not be compared to showing someone's heart being stabbed. The only two characters Monet should be compared to is Ace and WB since they both received life-threatening blows to vital parts of their body in a panel (or on screen). We should be questioning whether she lives based on those two alone since the circumstances are similar. And for those saying that she didn't have or fulfill her dream, I think a case can be made that she was willing to sacrifice herself so that Doffy could fulfill his dream of becoming PK, it's just that she died before she was ready (or before she could kill Luffy and co). Having her still alive would cheapen her final few panels as well as Doffy's acknowledgement of her (especially his apology).
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But this is the New World, Robby. It's supposed to be dark, girtty and full of death.
The New World is suppose to be Dangerous, more Fearsome, and a lot more Tougher.
It's the reader's fault for acquainting that with death and "darkness".
One Piece isn't turning into Batman. It's simply just getting more wild.
Many of you need to re-organize your expectations or you will continually be disappointed.
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Quite frankly Pell and Pagaya being alive is arguebly unreasonable but they are.
Of course they are, but bodies taking a beating are regular in One Piece. Directly stabbing a bare heart with killing intent crosses a line (in my mind, at least) that big bolts of lightning and megaton explosions don't.
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LOL, I just noticed that Dr. Vegapunk got banned
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@Foxy:
LOL, I just noticed that Dr. Vegapunk got banned
What a great way to start off his New Year
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@RobbyBevard:
Note that Arlong gets no such redemption.
Same as Hody. Even though he didn't die from drug overdose, he and the rest of his crew became withered old men, probably destined to rot in jail. That's a satisfactory anti-drug message without the need to kill someone off; I'd say it's a fate worse than death.
It's the **reader's fault for acquainting that with death and "darkness".
One Piece isn't turning into Batman. It's simply just getting more wild.
Many of you need to re-organize your expectations or you will continually be disappointed.**
This, this, a thousand times this.
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It's still extremely unlikely that Monet is leaving. Oda is really reluctant about killing off characters. I remember him saying that when he was drawing the Going Merry's death he was brought to tears.
