Didn't see a thread about this,so….....
Discuss the upcoming election.The Republican party candidates are currently fighting for delegates.What do you think of the candidates?Who do you want to win?
2012 Presidential Election Discussion
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I don't like any of them. As a grown woman, I find the current anti-woman's rights stance very offensive … and that is the only way to describe the laws goin into effect in states like Texas, forcing a woman to have a sonogram before an abortion no matter what the situation is. They act as if the only woman getting an abortion is a youth whose contraception failed when many more reasons exist, such as a fatal deformation or the woman was raped.
I hope Obama wins,
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Okay, this is a politics thread, and that's the hotbed issue other than religion. I have a feeling this board is largely going to lean in one direction, which will create a minority that's feeling insulted very quickly… because that's what ALWAYS happens. So I already anticipate where this will inevitably end up going, and I'll just say this up front just once.
Keep it civil folks.
Anyone that's hardcore into their party stance isn't going to be convinced to switch, so calling anyone names is just problematic.
Anyone who is in the middle and uninformed on topics and is willing to listen and learn, that's cool.
Half the country is democrat, and half the country is republican. And if you don't ask someone, you might be best friends with them and never know they're part of the evil party that opposes everything you believe in. The parties themselves are not inherantly evil, and people who support a party aren't inherently wrong or bad… and most aren't at the extreme end of their party either, and are just casually part of it. But a lot of the leaders and things they pitch have serious problems.
Discussion is fine. But even a hint of name calling gets you kicked out of the thread. Got it? Cool. Carry on.
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To keep my predictions short and sweet:
Romney to get the Republican Nomination
Obama to win the election.
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Oh well this is wonderful. My state's primaries are coming up on the 3rd(I think) and I have completely been ignoring my civic duty and I know next to nothing of the candidates. Time to catch up and take some notes. Discuss away~
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^You a Marylander too?
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To keep my predictions short and sweet:
Romney to get the Republican Nomination
Obama to win the election.
This.
I don't know where I stand politically, but the Republican candidates are just… depressing.
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After talking this over with some buds and observing what has been happening throughout this year, I'm going Democrat.
Sink or Swim.And that's that.
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^You a Marylander too?
Indeed sir, a few miles north of you.
This.
I don't know where I stand politically, but the Republican candidates are just… depressing.
I find this to be a valid, respectable opinion.
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Romney will be the nominee; it's next to impossible for Santorum to pass him in delegate count and even a brokered convention will still lead to Romney being the nominee. While he'll be the nominee, the debates with Obama are going to be a trainwreck for him as he gets twitchy and angry when people challenge him and can't stop saying things that remind people of how fantasically wealthy he is and how he just doesn't understand what it's like not to be.
Unless the economy completely tanks between now and November, Obama will win. It might be closer than the near landslide he beat McCain by in the popular vote, but an electoral landslide is a distinct possibility.
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I wonder how much President Obama will play the "It's not my fault, it was the previous administration's fault"(I found this very annoying when he did it before, even if it is true.)
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Quick question: What happens when the electoral votes lean one way, and the popular vote leads the other?
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Electoral votes win! The Bush/Gore election is one example of this, if I remember correctly, then again I was 11 and didn't care about much beyond my lego sets.
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Holy delegates! I was right for once. This will shine poorly on my dismal ignorant persona.
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Thanks. Well…..That sucks.
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After a bit of research(and by "a bit" I mean a very very small amount). President R. B. Hayes also lost the popular vote to Samuel Tilden, but won the electoral vote.
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Y'all need to ditch your two party system. It's pretty antagonizing.
Then again, that's never going to happen till the day one of your existing parties falls apart.
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President Obama single handedly tracked down and killed Bin Laden with his bare hands. Surely that will count for something.
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LIES!! We all know it was Biden.
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To keep my predictions short and sweet:
Romney to get the Republican Nomination
Obama to win the election.
This currently, though highly variable on the latter. Could change quickly back and forth with the headlines.
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Y'all need to ditch your two party system. It's pretty antagonizing.
Then again, that's never going to happen till the day one of your existing parties falls apart.
We don't literally have a two party system. It's just always ended up with two dominant parties, occasionally there will be an election cycle with some crazy flash in the pan third party (Bull Moose, Know Nothing etc).
So it can't be changed by anyone, it's the kind of thing that would have to evolve.If one of the two is gonna fall apart it's probably going to be the Republicans, somewhere along the fault line between the social conservatives (think Santorum) and the economic libertarian types (think Ron Paul). The former has severe cancer and doesn't know it, and will be quite dead in twenty or so years as more and more old people die off and more and more younger people reach voting age. The latter will probably pick up the slack among the right leaning of the newer generation.
But as you see this just means the Rpeublican party will evolve again, so no third party.
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@Monkey:
Romney is a really really weak candidate, so it's more Obama vs. Fate/oil prices really.
"The worst Republican to go up against Obama" according to Santorum, right before he cussed out the press and accused them of "distorting the truth".
And is there really a movement trying to blame Obama for the price of gas? Or is it just some last-ditch mudslinging effort before the nomination?
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And is there really a movement trying to blame Obama for the price of gas? Or is it just some last-ditch mudslinging effort before the nomination?
He's president. He's going to get blamed for a lot of things that no one human has any control over.
For instance, Bush Jr. was a terrible president for a lot of reasons… and can be readily pointed at as the sole reason for the war in Iraq and a lot of the deficit... but I'm not going to blame him for Hurrican Katrina or the housing market crashing due to corrupt banking. There were a lot of people in on that. Not taking preventative action sooner,or having a poor delayed reaction, sure, those are faults and problems... blame him for the bad reaction... but not the event itself. And hindsight quarterbacking is easy.
All that said, I think Obama might be a lot more effective in a second term when he doesn't have to worry about running again... but he's been a pushover who will eventually cave to whatever the Republican side wants, so thats a huge weakness.
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Congress being a complete bitch to Obama hasn't been helping.
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Jed Bartlet is still one of our greatest presidents.
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I voted for Vinick….
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Yeah, I liked Vinick better than Santos, regardless of party. Hey, that man was in Korea during the war! All 11 years of it!
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And is there really a movement trying to blame Obama for the price of gas? Or is it just some last-ditch mudslinging effort before the nomination?
Pretty common. Was a big talking point prior to the last election with Bush.
Always thought there were so many more, y'know, legitimate reasons to argue against the man.
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If I was Obama I surely would not start the War in Iran now or during the elctions because it would likely cause a huge spike in oil price.
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As an outsider (Aussie)
What is the Deal with Ron Paul, after watching some youtube videos of him in the debates I find it odd a man like him isn't championing the party. There are so many videos that seem to indicate that he is being ignored by the mainstream media is that the case?
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Ron Paul is in the Republican party because he shares more values with them than the Democrats, but he's basically a Libertarian. I think in 2008 he refused to support McCain or Obama and instead voted for some other third party guy.
Basically his ideas and opinions don't mesh with the majority of the party, and he wants actual change and reform in the election system.
Oh, and I added a poll to the thread. Feel free to vote! I left it annonymous, so don't worry about being judged, but I'm curious which way it'll go. I suspect this board will largely lean democrat, but I really have no idea.
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@RobbyBevard:
Ron Paul is in the Republican party because he shares more values with them than the Democrats, but he's basically a Libertarian. I think in 2008 he refused to support McCain or Obama and instead voted for some other third party guy.
Basically his ideas and opinions don't mesh with the majority of the party, and he wants actual change and reform in the election system.
Oh, and I added a poll to the thread. Feel free to vote! I left it annonymous, so don't worry about being judged, but I'm curious which way it'll go. I suspect this board will largely lean democrat, but I really have no idea.
I would think that there will be a lot of undecidied and "we lose" but agree that a large percentage will be Dems, followed or tied by those who never vote
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Oh yeah I forget you guys have volluntary voting :blink:
It's a criminal offence here in Aus not to vote in the Federal and local elections.I have to admit Ron Paul's view on closing some of the out of country military bases sounds sensible for cutting expenses.
Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)
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Unfortunately, most of Ron Paul's popularity in the Republican party is from college age voters, and by the time they make up enough of the demographic to get him nominated he'll just be too old since he's already older then any President ever elected.
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Oh yeah I forget you guys have volluntary voting :blink:
It's a criminal offence here in Aus not to vote in the Federal and local elections.Not according to Diddy.
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Oh yeah I forget you guys have volluntary voting :blink:
It's a criminal offence here in Aus not to vote in the Federal and local elections.Interesting. While that would increase turnout…. I kind of prefer it that people who are uninformed don't vote. If someone doesn't know anything about the issues or candidates, what's the point in them voting? For example, all the people that were going to vote for Hillary Clinton... who then turned around and were willing to vote for Palin, JUST because she was a woman... despite the huge gap in their qualification and that they disagreed on like 98% of the issues.
(The fact that Obama being black was even an issue in this day and age is telling.)
Right to free speech, and voting, or not voting, is a part of that.
Its extra crazy when people are undecided about two candidates that are extreme opposites and can be influenced the day-of election. I don't get how you don't have some idea who you prefer in advance.
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LIES!! We all know it was Biden.
You've all got it wrong! Don't you guys remember? Obama and Biden fused to create Barak Obiden, who then flew straight at Ossama and ripped his heart out.
Anyways, If I could vote, I'd vote for Obama again, because frankly all the GOP candidates scare me.
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The poll results are really funny, a third party what is that? Lets see which cat is going to bite you little mices next the black or the white one.
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You've all got it wrong! Don't you guys remember? Obama and Biden fused to create Barak Obiden, who then flew straight at Ossama and ripped his heart out.
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I don't know who I will vote for, or if I'll vote at all. I haven't been following the race that much. To be honest, the most invested I ever was in it was when Herman Cain quoted Pokemon.
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@RobbyBevard:
I'm theoretically independant, but I lean democrat since independant can't win anything.
Independent partys will never win any election in the western world. It's always the same, the winner is going to be conservative or liberal, whatever country you look at. The important reason for the existence of independant partys is that they put the two big political partys under pressure. Either the "big two" loose votes or they are forced to cooperate with a independant party to win. Both results in a process in which the "big two" include/assimilate ideas from the independant partys. And that is missing in the US.
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@RobbyBevard:
Interesting. While that would increase turnout…. I kind of prefer it that people who are uninformed don't vote. If someone doesn't know anything about the issues or candidates, what's the point in them voting? For example, all the people that were going to vote for Hillary Clinton... who then turned around and were willing to vote for Palin, JUST because she was a woman... despite the huge gap in their qualification and that they disagreed on like 98% of the issues.
(The fact that Obama being black was even an issue in this day and age is telling.)
Right to free speech, and voting, or not voting, is a part of that.
Its extra crazy when people are undecided about two candidates that are extreme opposites and can be influenced the day-of election. I don't get how you don't have some idea who you prefer in advance.Well to be honest from the outside I thought you guys were already voting this year but then I found out all the publicity was about electing an opposition leader. That kind of did my head in that you vote to elect the leader so you can vote for them again in the official elections.
I think you'd find with mandatory voting while you get the "I vote blah party because Daddy voted blah and Grand Daddy voted blah" When a party pisses off the population and they are required by law to vote - well lets put it this way.
We have a state called Queensland they just had their local government elections - out of 89 Seats in the parliament 77 seats went to the opposition with a mere 7-8 seats going to the previous party - in Australia you must have a min of 10 seats to be considered an opposition. In other words the Queenslanders were so upset that they destroyed that party.I'd have to wonder just how different the US would be with that kind of pressure on the politicians there.
But then again I get a lot of my political knowledge of the US from John Stewart and Youtube so definitely no expert on the matter.
Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)
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Youtube has some pretty good shows that cover politics and they don't have the pressure of a major media outlet (money) behind them.
Obviously Obama is going to win. He and the democrats have really done such a poor job during his first time I've lost all faith in the party and in the political system. I'm not sure if the republicans are insane for just more so open about the insanity of the situation that I just recoil from hearing it out loud. On the big issues like war, education, and taxes they'll do more or less the same things just in different ways to make it seem like the idea skews slightly left or right. At this point I don't know what I'm going to put on my ballot but I will vote because there's nothing worse than hearing someone complain about the democratic process but refuse to participate in it. If everyone who could actually did vote something might actually change.
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While I'm registered as an Independent, I tend to lean more towards the Democratic Party, I have nothing against Republicans, just the ones that represent them on TV and Talk Radio coughFOXNEWS/LIMBAUGHcough.
That being said I agree with the majority of the of the posters here the candidates for the Republican party are rather weak and none of them really manage to stand out with their ideas. Not to mention a majority of them aren't the most likable people.
Rick Santorum: Lost me when he compared homosexuality to bestiality. I'm straight, but I believe anyone regardless of their sexual preference should be allowed the same rights and happiness as any couple. Also being gay or straight is not a choice (as I'm sure everyone else agrees with) your just born that way.
Newt Gingrich: His track record as a human being is as bad as his record as a politician. He cheated on not just his first, but his second wife as well and left them when they became ill with near terminal diseases (Jackie with cancer and Marianne with MS). Not to mention his gaffs that border on racism.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-december-13-2011/newt-gingrich-s-poverty-codeAnd you know you're in trouble when your former co-workers at Fox News are telling others not to choose him as the front runner.
Mitt Romney: Basically the candidate everyone knows will win the nomination, but are hoping someone else will come in at last moment and become the nominee. He constantly flip-flops, and refuses to admit that his former positions on issues such as gay rights, the enviroment, etc. where more liberal then they are today.
Not to mention he fits the epitome of an out of touch billionaire and that he only has that one facially expression, he's like a zombie or robot. If he becomes the nominee, Mitt will basically become the GOP's John Kerry.
I also hope Obama wins mainly to upset the pundits at Fox News for their constant, nonfactual attacks on him being a Muslim, Anti-American, Anit-Religion, etc. They basically look for anything that they belief will make look like a radical, like the current Capone's vault that was the tape of him embracing Harvard Law Professor Derrick Bell. Turns out it wasn't a smoking gun, just Hannity shooting blanks as usual.
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In the words of the great Lindsay Ellis, I hope Santorum becomes the Republican nominee. It'd be like Judge Frollo running for President.
It will make the election positively hilarious. Either way, I'm voting for Obama.
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In the words of the great Lindsay Ellis, I hope Santorum becomes the Republican nominee. It'd be like Judge Frollo running for President.
It will make the election positively hilarious. Either way, I'm voting for Obama.
I think that's a bad comparison. I think Santorum is basically a good person, with a lot of ideals and beliefs that I can agree with.
However, he would in no way make a good president. He strikes me as having almost a middle-schooler's grasp of politics and world issues - overly simplistic and hopelessly biased in certain areas. He hasn't shown me anything that makes me confident he could convert those "good values" into anything resembling decent legislation.
So yeah, another vote for Obama over here.
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It looks like there's much I need to learn about these republican candidates. I should research them.
Lemmie just bring up the google bar. Here we go, Santorum.
OH GOOD GOD, WHAAAAA!!???
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But then again I get a lot of my political knowledge of the US from John Stewart and Youtube so definitely no expert on the matter.
That's where most 20-somethign get the majority of their news and political coverage actually.
Apparently this fact upsets Jon Stewart quite a bit, since as he notes so often… they're a fake news show. And yet he's the most trusted newscaster on television.
Hang in there, Kierkegaard.
