The anime showed Kuro again, and Oda is on the record of officially sanctioned that one.
Oh, I missed that! :blink:
Which episode or special was it?
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Oh, I missed that! :blink:
Which episode or special was it?
Right after Luffy got his first bounty I think. It was just Kuro being all grumpy in a cave or something, just looking like all his dreams had been shattered. Not in a "someday I'll get my revenge" sort of way but a "well, I guess this is my life now" thing.
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reminds me how cool Don Kreig looked with long hair in the opening, and then saw an ugly Macklemore with no rap abilities.
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Nah. As difficult as it is for Oda to kill somebody off, Ace and Whitebeard prove that he is willing to do it
1. at important turning points of the story
2. with a very limited amount of charactersShanks will likely be really one of the very selected few, who are going to die.
People always try to make a whole rule out of those death when I consider them to little of a sample size to make anything of them.
Like the mentor argument doesn't work for me. Usually the old strong man die in the giant battle. That's the trope. The people that inspires people and has been there the longest and seemed unbeatable die to show you how hopeless the hero's goal is and leave place for the new generation and living a power vaccuum they have to deal with. Buuuut Whitebeard already did that(which is why I marked him death for the war no old man survive the war in shonen). And with perfection. Would Oda really do it again? I don't think so.
The problem with Shanks is that his death is important for like the week/2 weeks after his death(in-universe). Once the finally war is done Shanks alive or not is irrelevant. The world is changed. The only important thing about Shanks "death" is motivating Luffy and not helping him. Both he can do by being badly hurt and unaccounted for. For someone that wants to save people favorite characters I doubt he would kill Shanks. Someone that like his happy endings I doubt he wouldn't want to end the manga on a sunny thing rather than a hard reality.
There's only two things that makes me consider maaaaybe he will die. Oda is trying to write his villains differently and I mean he is consciously doing so so perhaps he has an idea of what he wants and will change his writing accordingly. Whole Cake also ended on a bummer so maybe he is building the guts to go through with something that big. And Shanks should have died chapter 1 and being made to die is what doomed Ace. But I doubt it. I don't see Oda doing that dark thing for the end of his manga base how sunny he loves thing to be. That's the whole reason death is rare in the first place not because he is trying to build impact.
It's possible but I doubt it.
The "Gin thing" is a strange one. I'm not sure we'll see him again. What makes me doubtful is that this was a story thing which was set up in East Blue and doesn't belong to the central arc of the story like the One Piece itself does (which obviously, was also introduced in East Blue). I'm absolutely sure we're going to see Moria again for instance. But there's something about the whole East Blue thing which sometimes seems disconnected from how One Piece eventually turned out. We also never heard from Kuro again. And Gin didn't have recurring appearances like Buggy or even Arlong.
I could easily see him in a montage close to end of the series as the people the strawhats have touched along the way.
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And in this chapter Luffy shows more concern over Tama and more interest in Okiku than he has in over a hundred chapters with Carrot.
He even called them by name and everything, definitive proof one of them is joining.
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And in this chapter Luffy shows more concern over Tama and more interest in Okiku than he has in over a hundred chapters with Carrot.
He even called them by name and everything, definitive proof one of them is joining.
If you're gonna go for the low-hanging fruit, stick with the more reasonable Kiku, as Tama is way too out of the question.
Now, let's hear what makes O-Kiku oh-so-unique and interesting and not at all like Zoro and Robin and Jinbe put together in a blender, with a dash of Chopper's medical basics sprinkled on top.
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You're looking at this wrong. You need to look at it like "Do we finally have an excuse to kick Chopper out?"
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And in this chapter Luffy shows more concern over Tama and more interest in Okiku than he has in over a hundred chapters with Carrot.
Luffy showing a lot of concern for someone doesn't really help their chances of joining. Not when its for threats this minor. He has said several times that everyone on his crew can handle themselves (btw, that was literally one of the first things he learned about Carrot after she stowed away).
He even called them by name and everything, definitive proof one of them is joining.
My point was never that Carrot would join because Luffy called her name, that's ridiculous. My point was that he was including Carrot in some pretty crew-specific stuff. Things like entrusting her with the safety of the ship, or crying out for her when he thought she (and the whole crew) might be dead before even crying out for Chopper or Jimbei.
Purely coincidence
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If you're gonna go for the low-hanging fruit, stick with the more reasonable Kiku, as Tama is way too out of the question.
Now, let's hear what makes O-Kiku oh-so-unique and interesting and not at all like Zoro and Robin and Jinbe put together in a blender, with a dash of Chopper's medical basics sprinkled on top.
Absolutely nothing. Just stating the fact. Luffy has gone starry eyed and said "this person is so cool!".
And "Luffy said a character's name" was somehow touted as a serious joining point at length a couple weeks back. So it should apply equally here.
Neither of these characters are "the one" though. Unless Kiku has more than her "kind of tall and manly" shtick, but I don't think being a crossdresser would make a serious difference.
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Luffy showing a lot of concern for someone doesn't really help their chances of joining. Not when its for threats this minor. He has said several times that everyone on his crew can handle themselves (btw, that was literally one of the first things he learned about Carrot after she stowed away).
My point was never that Carrot would join because Luffy called her name, that's ridiculous. My point was that he was including Carrot in some pretty crew-specific stuff. Things like entrusting her with the safety of the ship, or crying out for her when he thought she (and the whole crew) might be dead before even crying out for Chopper or Jimbei.
Ah, he was being sarcastic! Well, phew! That's a relief. For a while there, I was worried Robby was jumping the gun on those that hadn't been shown to be more than flavors of the arc, but nah, he's better than that.
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Ah, he was being sarcastic! Well, phew! That's a relief. For a while there, I was worried Robby was jumping the gun on those that hadn't been shown to be more than flavors of the arc, but nah, he's better than that.
When I see a legit candidate actually worth arguing over, I'll make it clear that I'm being serious, rather than sarcastic or just free wheel debating for the sake of debating.
It'll probably be something along the lines of "well… I'm not going to say anything definitive after one chapter... but look at that design with all those details and unique appearance, and that entrance! And this guy was first mentioned 200 chapters ago, who knew? This is the first legitimate contender I think we've seen in a while. I'm clearly not going to say "next nakama" this fast seriously, but... they're definitely going to be a major player in the arc. Oda put some thought into this one."
Or something like that Can't really judge till the moment and character comes. I've said often enough that we'll know it when we see it I'd like to think I'll at least lightly stake my claim on some character early on and put my money where my mouth is.
Kinemon was the last character we had that I think really fit the bill in legitimate way, and I was never strongly for him, (lot of overlap with other characters. ad his personality and design seemed bland to me) but I could see the pieces there. Unique intro, Luffy asked his butt to join, useful but not broken power, talking farts, fits the 2-9 theory, two sword style to go between one sword and three sword, clashing with Sanji and the girls immediately, etc. But all the other samurai all being art parodies and his complete lack of role in Dresserossa were pretty much it for him.
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When I see a legit candidate actually worth arguing over, I'll make it clear that I'm being serious, rather than sarcastic or just free wheel debating for the sake of debating.
It'll probably be something along the lines of "well… I'm not going to say anything definitive after one chapter... but look at that design with all those details and unique appearance, and that entrance! And this guy was first mentioned 200 chapters ago, who knew? This is the first legitimate contender I think we've seen in a while. I'm clearly not going to say "next nakama" this fast seriously, but... they're definitely going to be a major player in the arc. Oda put some thought into this one."
Or something like that Can't really judge till the moment and character comes. I've said often enough that we'll know it when we see it I'd like to think I'll at least lightly call it pretty early on and put my money where my mouth is.
Kinemon was the last character we had that I think really fit the bill in legitimate way, and I was never strongly for him, but I could see the pieces there. Unique intro, Luffy asked his butt to join, useful but not broken power, fits the 2-9 theory, two sword style to go between one sword and three sword, clashing with Sanji and the girls immediately, etc.
Now that sounds like the Robby I know! That's how Carrot has been for me, so I'll be real pleased to hear when someone like that really reveals themself to you. That's the kind of character I wanna make your Jolly Roger for, definitely.
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Luffy got starry-eyed over a zombie unicorn and tree drinking tea and asked to be nakama: not possible. Luffy got starry-eyed over Kinemon's fart-talking ass and asked to be nakama: not possible. Luffy was super excited to see a ninja prior to meeting Raizo: didn't say a word.
I'm not saying Luffy's interest doesn't play a role here, but I wouldn't jump the gun, especially on Kiku, till she proves swordsman abilities other than hack n' slash, because that is what Zoro already does with his 1, 2, and 3-sword style.
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Luffy got starry-eyed over a zombie unicorn and tree drinking tea and asked to be nakama: not possible. Luffy got starry-eyed over Kinemon's fart-talking ass and asked to be nakama: not possible. Luffy was super excited to see a ninja prior to meeting Raizo: didn't say a word.
I'm not saying Luffy's interest doesn't play a role here, but I wouldn't jump the gun, especially on Kiku, till she proves swordsman abilities other than hack n' slash, because that is what Zoro already does with his 1, 2, and 3-sword style.
Not to forget, Rebecca.
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And "Luffy said a character's name" was somehow touted as a serious joining point at length a couple weeks back. So it should apply equally here.
Stop lying. I already addressed that but you seem to have either missed it, or ignored it:
My point was never that Carrot would join because Luffy called her name, that's ridiculous. My point was that he was including Carrot in some pretty crew-specific stuff. Things like entrusting her with the safety of the ship, or crying out for her when he thought she (and the whole crew) might be dead before even crying out for Chopper or Jimbei.
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Or maybe I hit reply to the post I replied to, and didn't scroll down any further while writing my response, since I was after all, replying to that one person, and your comment came after his? Or you wrote your response while I was writing mine?
I don't care enough about your theories to LIE about them. Misremember or not take seriously, sure. But I'm not going to make things up from nothing for spite.
But you know what, I'll just put you on ignore.
We'll all be happier that way. Don't reply to my posts ever again and I will never see yours.
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I am loving O-Kiku! I agree that even though she is getting very proeminent in the arc it could only mean she's going to be an important character in this island (like Rebecca) and not necessarily a nakama.
C'mon, let's just have fun! Think about this: the first samurai we meet at Wano is a woman! And she's already done a lot more than Smoothie in the whole Whole Cake arc.
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Not true, Smoothie juiced people, and had a much bigger slash.
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Theres no real way to determine whether or not a character is gonna join the crew based off of how luffy acts towards them so I don't understand why people are jumping the gun like this…. I mean, look at how other characters joined the crew. I cant recall a time where luffy was like "WOW USOPP IS SO COOL" back in syrup village. For a while back in drum island, luffy only really saw chopper as food. Robin joined because she asked to. Franky was an enemy to the straw hats in water 7. Unless luffy flat out says "I want this person to join my crew" its kinda up in the air so dismissing someone joining the crew or saying "they're for sure gonna join" is kinda wacky. Theres no pattern to it.
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Or maybe I hit reply to the post I replied to, and didn't scroll down any further while writing my response, since I was after all, replying to that one person, and your comment came after his? Or you wrote your response while I was writing mine?
I explicitly say that you might have missed it in my post. Why are you acting like this didn't occur to me? When I get ninja'd with an answer or correction to something I wrote, I edit my comment with an errata. I know how posts work on this site, it's hard not to notice when an extra post was made while you were writing your comment. You even later replied to someone who was quoting me, so you definitely saw it.
I don't care enough about your theories to LIE about them. Misremember or not take seriously, sure. But I'm not going to make things up from nothing for spite.
You know you're making stuff up when you say things that make absolutely no sense and literally nobody believes. That should be setting off alarm bells in your head that you might be talking bullshit.
But you know what, I'll just put you on ignore.
We'll all be happier that way. Don't reply to my posts ever again and I will never see yours.
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Unless luffy flat out says "I want this person to join my crew" its kinda up in the air so dismissing someone joining the crew or saying "they're for sure gonna join" is kinda wacky. Theres no pattern to it.
Luffy saying he wants someone to join his crew isn't really a guarantee either. Gaimon, Crocus, Vivi, Iceberg, and various one-off gag characters have all been asked to join by Luffy and he got turned down.
Purely coincidence
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I explicitly say that you might have missed it in my post. Why are you acting like this didn't occur to me? When I get ninja'd with an answer or correction to something I wrote, I edit my comment with an errata. I know how posts work on this site, it's hard not to notice when an extra post was made while you were writing your comment. You even later replied to someone who was quoting me, so you definitely saw it.
You know you're making stuff up when you say things that make absolutely no sense and literally nobody believes. That should be setting off alarm bells in your head that you might be talking bullshit.
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Luffy saying he wants someone to join his crew isn't really a guarantee either. Gaimon, Crocus, Vivi, Iceberg, and various one-off gag characters have all been asked to join by Luffy and he got turned down.
Yep thats true! I probably should have said "Unless he says he wants them to join and actively pursues them". I dont think he really pushed for any of those characters to join. Maybe Vivi(?)
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Theres no real way to determine whether or not a character is gonna join the crew based off of how luffy acts towards them so I don't understand why people are jumping the gun like this…. I mean, look at how other characters joined the crew. I cant recall a time where luffy was like "WOW USOPP IS SO COOL" back in syrup village. For a while back in drum island, luffy only really saw chopper as food. Robin joined because she asked to. Franky was an enemy to the straw hats in water 7. Unless luffy flat out says "I want this person to join my crew" its kinda up in the air so dismissing someone joining the crew or saying "they're for sure gonna join" is kinda wacky. Theres no pattern to it.
I agree with you that there is no way to determine whether or not a character is gonna join based off of how Luffy acts towards them, but he usually does manifest some entusiasm towards his future crewmates. It doesn't need to be something like "OMG, he is soooo cool! -", but there's all kinds of scenes of Luffy having different types of positive reaction to Zoro, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Brooke and Jimbe before they joined. I don't really remember Luffy and Nami's relationship in Orange Town.
Franky was a weird case, because Luffy obviously loves the cyborgue shenanigans, but their circunstances together were weird, because Franky was first an antagonist and later they didn't get much time together in Ennies Lobby, so I don't remember seeing Luffy showing any kind of admiration for Franky. In fact, Franky was only invited to the crew because Zambai requested Luffy to do that.
Robin is obviously the main exception.
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Yep thats true! I probably should have said "Unless he says he wants them to join and actively pursues them". I dont think he really pushed for any of those characters to join. Maybe Vivi(?)
Yeah, he really went fullbore trying to get Vivi to join. It's also implied that he asked Gaimon several more times off-panel, but that whole adventure only lasted one chapter.
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I agree with you that there is no way to determine whether or not a character is gonna join based off of how Luffy acts towards them, but he usually does manifest some entusiasm towards his future crewmates. It doesn't need to be something like "OMG, he is soooo cool! -", but there's all kinds of scenes of Luffy having different types of positive reaction to Zoro, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Brooke and Jimbe before they joined. I don't really remember Luffy and Nami's relationship in Orange Town.
Franky was a weird case, because Luffy obviously loves the cyborgue shenanigans, but their circunstances together were weird, because Franky was first an antagonist and later they didn't get much time together in Ennies Lobby, so I don't remember seeing Luffy showing any kind of admiration for Franky. In fact, Franky was only invited to the crew because Zambai requested Luffy to do that.
Robin is obviously the main exception.
I actually just finished my re read of water 7 and enies lobby, and luffy had kinda planned on asking franky to join before Zambai asked him to do it. Either way yeah he does show enthusiasm towards people that will eventually join. Hes not gonna have someone join if he doesnt have any enthusiasm about them joining.
And yeah Robin is an exception.
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Yeah, he really went fullbore trying to get Vivi to join. It's also implied that he asked Gaimon several more times off-panel, but that whole adventure only lasted one chapter.
And thats why everyone was so shocked that she didnt join. It just goes to show that even if you're almost 100% sure someones gonna join, oda might throw a curveball at you.
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It doesn't need to be something like "OMG, he is soooo cool! -", but there's all kinds of scenes of Luffy having different types of positive reaction to Zoro, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Brooke and Jimbe before they joined
I think what's throwing a lot of people off is that the moment where Luffy usually gets really impressed by someone new showing something cool happened at his expense when it came to Carrot. So he wasn't really in a position to go "SUGEEEEEE" while he got his ass kicked. He still acknowledged her strength though.
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I think what's throwing a lot of people off is that the moment where Luffy usually gets really impressed by someone new showing something cool happened at his expense when it came to Carrot. So he wasn't really in a position to go "SUGEEEEEE" while he got his ass kicked. He still acknowledged her strength though.
If Carrot's purpose is to join the crew, I'd like to see Luffy and Carrot share some more moments together in Wano beforehand, but I do feel them close enough right now as "nakama". I especially like that their relationship was flowing naturally up until now instead of Oda overdoing Luffy's reaction to Carrot in moments that didn't require such a thing (just for the sake of showing his astonishment), which would be contrived writing for their process of bonding together… after all, Carrot's highlights in WCI happened far away from Luffy. Most importantly, Luffy showed care and affection for Carrot at the right times (and vice-verse) and, for the most part, they were pretty much in the same beat as great friends.
For example, I don't buy Luffy's overreaction to Kiku in this last chapter (915). Honestly, even if I enjoy the her scene, she didn't do anything that would look ~amazing~ to Luffy right now, especially considering what are the things that usually fancy him. Therefore, my gut feeling was that his reaction seemed forced and contrived... basically Oda using Luffy as a shortcut to scream at the reader that we should love Kiku because she is really cool, kinda like Rebecca's scene. (Btw, I like Kiku and I'm open to see whatever Oda wants to write for her character.)
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If Carrot's purpose is to join the crew, I'd like to see Luffy and Carrot share some more moments together in Wano beforehand, but I do feel them close enough right now as "nakama". I especially like that their relationship was flowing naturally up until now instead of Oda overdoing Luffy's reaction to Carrot in moments that didn't require such a thing (just for the sake of showing his astonishment), which would be contrived writing for their process of bonding together… after all, Carrot's highlights in WCI happened far away from Luffy. Most importantly, Luffy showed care and affection for Carrot at the right times (and vice-verse) and, for the most part, they were pretty much in the same beat as great friends.
Yeah. Carrot's involvement so far has been her slowly encroaching herself into the story. She went: background character used to introduce the island –--> arc tagalong ----> literally working on the ship. Right now Oda is taking a break from the WCI group, but it'll be interesting to see what happens next with her. She's still lined up to be the catalyst for us to learn what the "new dawn" is all about.
For example, I don't buy Luffy's overreaction to Kiku in this last chapter (915). Honestly, even if I enjoy the her scene, she didn't do anything that would look ~amazing~ to Luffy right now, especially considering what are the things that usually fancy him. Therefore, my gut feeling was that his reaction seemed forced and contrived… basically Oda using Luffy as a shortcut to scream at the reader that we should love Kiku because she is really cool, kinda like Rebecca's scene. (Btw, I like Kiku and I'm open to see whatever Oda wants to write for her character.)
Don't quote me on this, but I heard that the line Kiku says before cutting the guy's hair is actually really badass in Japanese. So Luffy's reaction might be more to that.
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I actually just finished my re read of water 7 and enies lobby, and luffy had kinda planned on asking franky to join before Zambai asked him to do it. Either way yeah he does show enthusiasm towards people that will eventually join. Hes not gonna have someone join if he doesnt have any enthusiasm about them joining.
That's good to know. I don't remeber that scene. But it's not like I had anything against the fact that Zambai asked to Luffy to invite Franky, because Luffy accepted that proposal because he liked Franky anyway.
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Don't quote me on this, but I heard that the line Kiku says before cutting the guy's hair is actually really badass in Japanese. So Luffy's reaction might be more to that.
Even if Luffy was impressed by Kiku's words or maybe by the symbolism of cutting someone else's top knot, I still don't think Luffy is the most appropriate character to have that reaction. I still feel like that was Oda explaining to the reader how we should react to that scene.
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For example, I don't buy Luffy's overreaction to Kiku in this last chapter (915).
Its quite simple , first real samurai action that he has seen (he never saw Ryuma as far i remember) and the action was done with real finesse and precision ,she did it all before topknot reaching the ground.
Already saw Luffy insisting to having a sword and armor because he find it to be cool plus the adoration Ninja we already saw on Zou its obvious that likes that type of warriors, so seeing one perform an action in flesh its really cool to him.
He going to act the same way if he sees another Ninja doing something, putting a piece of wood in front of a attack for example.Doesn't need be earth shattering event to impress him.
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Okiku doesn't really standout so far in appearance or fighting style. Not saying Oda won't flesh her out but I feel she's too samey to Zoro, except maybe being more agile which Brook already has covered. And she also uses samurai swords just as Zoro does.
I really wonder what a 3rd sword user would be like. I feel like Oda could take it by adding a broadsword user or axe wielder. But even then, how would Oda diversify them from Zoro's strong hacknslash style or Brook's fast fencing style?
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Its quite simple , first real samurai action that he has seen (he never saw Ryuma as far i remember) and the action was done with real finesse and precision ,she did it all before topknot reaching the ground.
Already saw Luffy insisting to having a sword and armor because he find it to be cool plus the adoration Ninja we already saw on Zou its obvious that likes that type of warriors, so seeing one perform an action in flesh its really cool to him.
He going to act the same way if he sees another Ninja doing something, putting a piece of wood in front of a attack for example.Doesn't need be earth shattering event to impress him.
Luffy was not merely impressed, he was AMAZED. His reaction here is bigger than when Jimbe called the whales in Impel Down.
Anyway, I never said that only earth shattering events should impress Luffy, just that his fancy is tickled by the unique/whimsical things of his reality (like laser beams). Saying that this is the "first Samurai action" that Luffy has ever seen is a clever way to put it like something unique, but in reality the technique didn't look any different than the swordsmenship we've been witnessing since the inception of the manga, especially Zoro's.
Btw, Luffy never met Ryuuma, but Kinnemon was around him since Punk Hazard.
(On a side note, I actually don't understand Kiku's slash judging by her pose in the air, so maybe I'm tripping, or maybe that's what so special here… or maybe Oda just had a bad day and drew a nonsense movement.)
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Okiku doesn't really standout so far in appearance or fighting style. Not saying Oda won't flesh her out but I feel she's too samey to Zoro, except maybe being more agile which Brook already has covered. And she also uses samurai swords just as Zoro does.
I really wonder what a 3rd sword user would be like. I feel like Oda could take it by adding a broadsword user or axe wielder. But even then, how would Oda diversify them from Zoro's strong hacknslash style or Brook's fast fencing style?
He managed to do just fine with Brook as he is a musical fencing Skeleton guy. If Oda decided to do the whole 1 2 3 sword schtick, then each be different, and entertaining.
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He managed to do just fine with Brook as he is a musical fencing Skeleton guy. If Oda decided to do the whole 1 2 3 sword schtick, then each be different, and entertaining.
Oh yeah I agree. I just think Okiku's swordstyle is too generic so far when we're talking about nakama candidates.
I'm just wondering what their base swordstyle would be like. How do you specifically make their base sword style different enough from Brook and Zoro?
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Oh yeah I agree. I just think Okiku's swordstyle is too generic so far when we're talking about nakama candidates.
I'm just wondering what their base swordstyle would be like. How do you specifically make their base sword style different enough from Brook and Zoro?
I mean creat a unique two sword style or some two weapon style thats used to emphasize their own character/devil fruit.
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Luffy was not merely impressed, he was AMAZED. His reaction here is bigger than when Jimbe called the whales in Impel Down.
Anyway, I never said that only earth shattering events should impress Luffy, just that his fancy is tickled by the unique/whimsical things of his reality (like laser beams). Saying that this is the "first Samurai action" that Luffy has ever seen is a clever way to put it like something unique, but in reality the technique didn't look any different than the swordsmenship we've been witnessing since the inception of the manga, especially Zoro's.
Btw, Luffy never met Ryuuma, but Kinnemon was around him since Punk Hazard.
(On a side note, I actually don't understand Kiku's slash judging by her pose in the air, so maybe I'm tripping, or maybe that's what so special here… or maybe Oda just had a bad day and drew a nonsense movement.)
But it is unique enough to him , actual samurai doing it ,should he be less excited because it was caused by sword?
Then he should no longer feel excitement because of laser beams he already saw quite a few of them or armor.
I bet if he saw a Cowboy shot a apple off somebody's head he be amazed by it even if he saw Yassop perform similar things because it was Cowboy that did it.
Nami can already do similar things to ninja ninjutsu but he felt amazed with Raizou when he showed his techniques."Btw, Luffy never met Ryuuma, but Kinnemon was around him since Punk Hazard."
Yes but he never saw Kine'mon cut fire(only Brook,Sanji and Zoro saw) or in action against a enemy in general(only thing he saw was him getting slashed by Doffy).She was front of him then jumped , slash left to right doing a mid turn leaving her behind him.
It was fast and precise not mention what she did its incredibly humiliating for Urashima and now its possible he is going see Sumo wrestler vs Samurai. -
I mean creat a unique two sword style or some two weapon style thats used to emphasize their own character/devil fruit.
I'm specifically talking about their base swordstyle. Yeah I think could thrown in some other stuff like to a DF ability to accent and diversify their swordstyle but what would their base swordstyle do differently from Zoro or Brook?
Zoro's swordstyle is more hack n slash with emphasis on strength
Brook's swordstyle is fencing with emphasis on speedYeah I think another sword user could have 2 swords, maybe integrate it with some DF ability, elemental damage, maybe user a broadsword or axe. But what are they going to do different from the above? I'm not saying another sworduser won't happen, I'm just genuinely curious.
As an example, I can almost see something like Kyros. His swordstyle wasn't as fast as Brook's or even Zoro's but more emphasis on clashing and brute force but less on cutting. I believe some medieval broadswords were used as battery weapons except for when using the pointed tip for thrusting?
My problem with Okiku right now is that that its just another hack and slash like Zoro's except maybe more agile which Brook already covers.
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@theackwardstation:Luffy was not merely impressed, he was AMAZED. His reaction here is bigger than when Jimbe called the whales in Impel Down.
Anyway, I never said that only earth shattering events should impress Luffy, just that his fancy is tickled by the unique/whimsical things of his reality (like laser beams). Saying that this is the "first Samurai action" that Luffy has ever seen is a clever way to put it like something unique, but in reality the technique didn't look any different than the swordsmenship we've been witnessing since the inception of the manga, especially Zoro's.
Btw, Luffy never met Ryuuma, but Kinnemon was around him since Punk Hazard.
(On a side note, I actually don't understand Kiku's slash judging by her pose in the air, so maybe I'm tripping, or maybe that's what so special here… or maybe Oda just had a bad day and drew a nonsense movement.)
Maybe it's just a japenese thing. Things they would find cool just like in western world you get that ninja are cool and them throwing stuff around and making smoke is cool. It doesn't translate in this instance because it's more tied to a japenese audience on this case.
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Luffy was not merely impressed, he was AMAZED. His reaction here is bigger than when Jimbe called the whales in Impel Down.
His reaction here is bigger than whenever. He is almost in pain of how extra his reaction is. Like, is Urashima much stronger than I am giving him credit or what because I really can't see how someone overpowering him would evoke such a disproportionate reaction from Luffy. Seriously, he is so off since he stepped on Wano, it's like he is high… I wonder what was on that rice.
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But it is unique enough to him , actual samurai doing it ,should he be less excited because it was caused by sword?
First, you are deforming my argument, since I wasn't so generic as to say that everything done by a sword is the same, rather that Kiku's technique and form were more of the same style we've seen across the series from many characters, including Luffy's best buddy and one of the main characters, Zoro.
Just to make this point clearer, Samurais are essentially swordsmen with a singular set of qualities: (a) practing the Bushido, (b) fighting with katanas and
serving a Daimyo. Therefore, by all means, Zoro was written as a Samurai or at least as a Ronin (that everybody in the 20th century consider as a Samurai anyway, despite not serving any Daimyos).Anyway, we could pretend that Zoro is not a Samurai, and say that Kiku is different because she is from Wano, and then ignore Kinnemon. Even then, why are you saying that Luffy was actually fascinated by "samurai action" instead of just Kiku in particular because of her attitude (like when he fanboyed over Rebecca)? Besides that, why would Luffy become so fascinated by samurais if any characteristic that could make a Samurai distinct has already been trivialized in the series so far (as explained above)?
But let's continue in the next quote.
Then he should no longer feel excitement because of laser beams he already saw quite a few of them or armor.
I bet if he saw a Cowboy shot a apple off somebody's head he be amazed by it even if he saw Yassop perform similar things because it was Cowboy that did it.
Nami can already do similar things to ninja ninjutsu but he felt amazed with Raizou when he showed his techniques.The main difference is that there are some things that Luffy fetishizes and some thing Luffy doesn't. Obviously, people keep showing fascination for things they love regardless of how many times they had seen it before, but what fancies each person?… What fancies Luffy? I could say that Luffy fetishizes ninjas and robots. He also likes beetles and really whacky living beings, like walking skeletons, talking unicorns and legs without a body. Obviously, he loves meat.
Just look at Luffy's anticipation to meet Raizou only because he is a ninja (and, btw, his ninjutsu is nothing like Nami's shenanigans). Now compare it to Luffy's lack of enthusiam towards Kinnemon and Kanjuro, the swordsmen. So yeah, that's why I don't expect Luffy to react to swordsmanship in the same manner that he reacts to laser beams, especially when Kiku's slash was so generic to actually be worth of an exception.
In fact, I didn't even think of the "samurai factor" while reading the Luffy's reaction to Kiku, and that's why people mentioned Kiku's scene in this thread. That's because Luffy's reaction was atypical, outside of the realm of gimmicks that he would be fangasming, so people became suspicious that Oda was just pushing Kiku to the readers.
"Btw, Luffy never met Ryuuma, but Kinnemon was around him since Punk Hazard."
Yes but he never saw Kine'mon cut fire(only Brook,Sanji and Zoro saw) or in action against a enemy in general(only thing he saw was him getting slashed by Doffy).Luffy has actually seen Kinnemon using his fire technique and "playing Samurai". https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/699/11
She was front of him then jumped , slash left to right doing a mid turn leaving her behind him.
I understand her jump, but not the position of the hand that's holding the sword in the bigger panel. Looking at it as the last frame of the slash (after the cut), it would make more sense to me if her right arm was stretched to her right side (if the slash was from left to right) instead of bent to her left side (after all, if you are cutting to the right with your right hand, the movement should end at your right side). Alternativelly, if the cut was from right to left instead, it would make more sense if the palm of her hand was facing up.
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Luffy was not merely impressed, he was AMAZED. His reaction here is bigger than when Jimbe called the whales in Impel Down.
Anyway, I never said that only earth shattering events should impress Luffy, just that his fancy is tickled by the unique/whimsical things of his reality (like laser beams). Saying that this is the "first Samurai action" that Luffy has ever seen is a clever way to put it like something unique, but in reality the technique didn't look any different than the swordsmenship we've been witnessing since the inception of the manga, especially Zoro's.
Btw, Luffy never met Ryuuma, but Kinnemon was around him since Punk Hazard.
(On a side note, I actually don't understand Kiku's slash judging by her pose in the air, so maybe I'm tripping, or maybe that's what so special here… or maybe Oda just had a bad day and drew a nonsense movement.)
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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Now that's a good explanation. Thanks for the clarification! But I do wish Oda had emphasized the twisting motion in the drawings.
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I'm specifically talking about their base swordstyle. Yeah I think could thrown in some other stuff like to a DF ability to accent and diversify their swordstyle but what would their base swordstyle do differently from Zoro or Brook?
Zoro's swordstyle is more hack n slash with emphasis on strength
Brook's swordstyle is fencing with emphasis on speedYeah I think another sword user could have 2 swords, maybe integrate it with some DF ability, elemental damage, maybe user a broadsword or axe. But what are they going to do different from the above? I'm not saying another sworduser won't happen, I'm just genuinely curious.
As an example, I can almost see something like Kyros. His swordstyle wasn't as fast as Brook's or even Zoro's but more emphasis on clashing and brute force but less on cutting. I believe some medieval broadswords were used as battery weapons except for when using the pointed tip for thrusting?
My problem with Okiku right now is that that its just another hack and slash like Zoro's except maybe more agile which Brook already covers.
I'm not really defending Kiku as I don't have the vibes from her. As far two weapon style goes.
Zoro is a power hack and slash type, right? Brook is kind of a wierd speed type reinforced by his fruit.
It's just a personal preference of mine, but I'd like to see a control/inner strike type that uses dual baton/staff. -
Sanji said, "I never would've thought this would be your resting place." The other translations follow suit in that he had no idea Pedro was prepared to die in Totland, not that he's rejecting/in denial over the the action itself.
Also earlier in Ch. 878, Pedro clearly stated that despite getting 50 years taken from him, as he still at least gets to choose where he dies, which is exactly what he did.
Like Blissed said (missed it at first, sorry :b), the quote as translated by Stephen was, "I never would have thought this would be your resting place." He was feeling guilt that Pedro died there helping him, but he wasn't in doubt about it.
I am not sure how both of you understood denial from my sentence. Pedro is dead from the crew's perspective. Sanji's line even if translated as: "I never would have thought this would be your resting place", means that Pedro had more to live for. Deciding a place to die, because of his lifespan, is not a goal, is but a consequence of his current predicament. I am not saying Sanji is in denial, he only is pointing out that Pedro had a future role in the story.
Pedro never thought about getting his lifespan back. So he decided to become a suicide bomber, not even thinking of other alternatives. This was clear because how he said he was looking for a place to die, and his sacrifice.
To understand if Pedro will be alive or not moving on, we first need to understand two things:
- The Dawn
- Why Cat and Dog MUST survive until then.
I am under the impression that Pedro misunderstood what the dawn was about. Or at least, I am not very fond of the idea of Cat and Dog being some sort of unique lineage within the Minks that the Dawn necessitates their appearance. I think it might be more general as any two Minks can be there.
Then there is the fact of whom Pedro is. He is basically another Robin. In terms of trying to uncover the secrets of the world. His story is 100% sad. There was no happy thing about his story. He lost part of his crew, he lost 50 years and an eye, his country got destroyed, he committed suicide. Out of everyone in this story, I cannot think of many others whom deserve a happier ending than him. Oda is at his best when he brings back characters into the story. Just look at the reaction to Bellamy's cover story.
For how can he still be alive? Oda left many ways at his disposal.
1st. Moscato. Even though there was really no reason to bring back Moscato, Oda did. Which just translates to, you can give someone, presumably dead, his lifespan back and revive them. x+50 years old Pedro was not able to withstand the explosion. If he got those years back, would he be brought back alive? Why not? If the explosion killed him, then the only thing that would happen is: he comes back to start dying from his wounds again. Doctors could save him.
2nd. Mont D'Or. His book prison stops time. Pedro would stop dying from his wounds.
3rd. Motivation/Perospero. But why would the Big Mom Pirates bring back Pedro? From Perospero perspective, his revenge has not been enacted. He recovers Pedro's body to torture him. Yes, I think he would bring him back, just to torture him forever while licking his candy.
4. Pudding. This is more complicated. But Pudding was able to recover memories from the homies. She was also able to manipulate memories with Reiju. Pedro's lifespan has been turned into a homie, and they use Pudding to recover his memories, then edit them to slowly reconstruct Pedro's persona back.
But maybe Oda was just not able to deliver on a death. Maybe his mundane death was the intention, as to show how trivial it is to lose a comrade while dealing with the emperors. But then again, you could just have the fodder die along the way and we would get the same message.
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I am not sure how both of you understood denial from my sentence.
You said that your version of the line, it not being "his place to die", was obvious. How else was I, for one, supposed to take it besides denial that he was, in fact, meant to die there?
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Well to me both sentences mean the same.
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Well to me both sentences mean the same.
I can't see how.
In any case, Pedro's death has undeniably been given the most finality of anyone besides Ace, Whitebeard and the flashback folks. Sanji (and by proxy, Oda) spelled it out. Of course we're dealing with One Piece and fiction in general, of course anyone could be brought back somehow. But it's been made emphatically clear, I'd argue from the moment it happened, that he's to be considered truly gone like any other dead mentor figure in the story.
Whether that has a bearing on Carrot is another matter entirely, but please, can we just let the jaguar rest in peace? For at least a little while?
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