we're still too early into it, so we can still get much more characters introduced, but from the ones we have so far, zero crewmate appeal so far.
I think that if we get a Raizo with a cool design, then we can talk crewmate likeness.
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we're still too early into it, so we can still get much more characters introduced, but from the ones we have so far, zero crewmate appeal so far.
I think that if we get a Raizo with a cool design, then we can talk crewmate likeness.Doubtful. If we get a new nakama from Wano, they'll be introduced at the start, not halfway thru or toward the end of the arc.
So they should be appearing soon if not already present.
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Doubtful. If we get a new nakama from Wano, they'll be introduced at the start, not halfway thru or toward the end of the arc.
So they should be appearing soon if not already present.
but from the ones already in it, only Batman is cool
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but from the ones already in it, only Batman is cool
Well we haven't seen Kiku do anything yet.
Just wild speculation here but I wonder if her, Orochi, and others turn out to be snakenecks?
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she's out the game, one Robin is enough.
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Doubtful. If we get a new nakama from Wano, they'll be introduced at the start, not halfway thru or toward the end of the arc.
So they should be appearing soon if not already present.
Water 7 started in chapter 322. We heard of the Franky family almost immediately, and Franky first appeared in chapter 329… but didn't get his REAL debut until chapter till 335. So that's still pretty early in the arc, but not completely immediate. And arcs are longer now.
But yes, we should be meeting most of the central players of the arc within the first 15 or so chapters.
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@S.C.:
True. Though if Oda does want a third swords-person, perhaps using a really big sword would be unique enough.
Like unrealistically big
I think Franky Shogun kinda fits this role.
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Well we haven't seen Kiku do anything yet.
Just wild speculation here but I wonder if her, Orochi, and others turn out to be snakenecks?
Wha…? We've seen some half-breed snakenecks and Kiku's neck's not that long.
Charlotte Amande's neck was shorter than the twins Mascarpone & Joscarpone. But Amande's neck is nearly twice as long as Kiku.While it would be nice to have a snakeneck ally to the Strawhats, Kiku is not a snakeneck.
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True. Though if Oda does want a third swords-person, perhaps using a really big sword would be unique enough.
Like unrealistically big
thats called Ōdachi
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There's still plenty of time to introduce that one unique character we're looking for. Just thinking about the aesthetic, personality, and abilities of the next nakama is fun. Kinemon, Kanjuuro, and Raizou have such unique designs, so whoever they may be has me excited.
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None of the three females shown this arc have a chance in hell of joining the straw hats
outside of that how many headliners do you think there are in total?
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In a Japan arc, the most likely candidate would have the most western design possible. A cowboy. You could say Robin has that covered but she abandoned it when she went basic.
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In a Japan arc, the most likely candidate would have the most western design possible. A cowboy.
I'm not sure I get the logic here. Brook was a spooky skeleton in a spooky ghost island arc. Chopper, the reindeer, was well at home in his snow island. They were perfectly congruent with their settings.
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You know one piece fanbase is filled with virgins when everytime a new cutie girl appeared , that girl is voted as new nakama
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I like Tsuru's design and think Kiku's is lackluster.
Oh, sorry, I misread your comment, I thought you were talking about Kiku. (All these names starting with O- gets kind of confusing).
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Well I'm pretty sure Monet is still alive and she poisoned babies so I doubt she will join
Well if she's dead and her DF gets recycled, who's to say someone else won't have her ability at some later point?
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Well if she's dead and her DF gets recycled, who's to say someone else won't have her ability at some later point?
That all hinges on her actually being dead though, and I know that a spike through the heart can (should) obviously do that but c'mon it's oda were talking about here, plus someone needs to piece together vergo so they can break doflamingo out of prison, my money is on Monet
But if she does turn out to actually be dead I'm tots down for a logia on the crew
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That all hinges on her actually being dead though, and I know that a spike through the heart can (should) obviously do that but c'mon it's oda were talking about here, plus someone needs to piece together vergo so they can break doflamingo out of prison, my money is on Monet
They're dead. I don't understand why is that so hard for some to accept… There's logically no way they could have survived the predicaments they were in nor is there any indication they survived. "It's Oda" isn't a solid enough argument to believe they somehow still survived when-
A) Oda has been more lenient about killing characters
B) The reason he gave for why he didn't usually kill of characters is so he could draw parties at the end which he did anyways
C) If they really did survive then the best time to reveal that would have been when Doflamingo arrived on Punk Hazard. If they were alive surely they would have participated in the only other arc their crew would be relevant in...I remember the naysayers being confident that they'd get a cover story lol
And Vergo & Monet wouldn't be able to break anybody out of impel down. I highly doubt they could get anywhere near it let alone go to Doflamingo's (whom Magellan is personally guarding) level and successfully get him out.
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And all the members of CP9 were killed by the buster call explosions. And they never got a cover story either. Oh wait, that's not at all what happened.
Buggy got a cover story before Coby did. Baroque Works got their covers stories after Ace, and after Gedatsu (a Skpypeia character). And Enel got his after them! There's plenty of precedent for cover story characters being out of story sequence.
And there's been two deck of the world cover stories!
Oda doesn't kill characters when leaving them unconscious serves the same purpose. In this case, leaving them incapacitated kept them out of the next arc (which was the next day) so the villains didn't repeat too much. (He already turned Ceaser into a joke.) But if they're up and about two or three days later, then the story isn't affected in any way.
Oda introduced Monet's sister, Sugar, and then never had her say a single word about it? No revenge on the strawhats, no milking her sadness that her sister was gone, no Ceaser or Law mentioning her, no conversations with Dolfa saying he regretted doing that? That's not Oda. On those super rare occasions when he kills a character, he milks it, even when he botches the execution like with Pedro.
Unless we get a Smoker and Tashigi cover story, or a Reverie cover story, Dofla's group will almost certainly be getting the next, after the fleet is done. Heck, Ceaser has earned his freedom after the Big Mom arc, maybe the story will follow him returning to his lab.
So another 4 chapters for Bellamy, then 11-15 playing with animal covers, a few color spreads… we should know in a few months.
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You will take your cover story about Im cartoonishly stabbing pictures of people and you will enjoy it damn it.
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That all hinges on her actually being dead though, and I know that a spike through the heart can (should) obviously do that but c'mon it's oda were talking about here, plus someone needs to piece together vergo so they can break doflamingo out of prison, my money is on Monet
But if she does turn out to actually be dead I'm tots down for a logia on the crew
Well, as far as we can tell, Pedro's dead, so there's hope for Oda to start killing folks in real-time and not just flashbacks.
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Oda introduced Monet's sister, Sugar, and then never had her say a single word about it? No revenge on the strawhats, no milking her sadness that her sister was gone, no Ceaser or Law mentioning her, no conversations with Dolfa saying he regretted doing that? That's not Oda.
Was it ever actually said in the story that Monet and Sugar are sisters? Because I think we only learned that in an SBS. It might ultimately just have been something Oda wrote in the initial outline but he didn't really decide to do anything with it because there was so much stuff going on. Its still canon, but it ended up on the cutting-room floor, like Viola and Doffy's relationship, like the reason Dellinger dresses like a girl, and like Señor Pink's backstory almost was.
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Does it matter? If its in the SBS Oda comes back to around to eventually, be it Buggy's hair or super floaty wood or random vice admirals that a fan made up.
Oda wouldn't just have his third AND fourth major real time deaths in the series and NOT play it up at least a little. Even Pedro, who he did a terrible job in selling the death of, he still had characters mention it repeatedly until the arc was over and he officially put his foot down on the matter and actually addressed the exact problems inherent in the character dying then (sanji being blamed).
Vergo might be out of it because we found out later he's a parent figure killer and that's basically the one thing Oda doesn't forgive, but given his habits I can't believe him killing two named characters and then not once following up on that, not even a little, when he hasn't been able to kill even one panel nameless fodder since Alabasta. Dude had problems killing a boat, and even there he had to bring it to life and pass its soul onto the next boat. And Ace had a convenient brother to get his devil fruit and inherit his will.
Oda does not kill that lightly. I'd love it if Monet and Vergo were dead, it would more readily allow stakes to seep into the series… but they're not. Awkward out of place icepick and all.
(And even with Pedro, I won't be the least surprised if Pedro shows up okay when Big Mom is all said and done and he's just temporarily officially dead for drama.)
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If Monet is dead, she and Vergo would be the first villains to die in One Piece and, IMO, that's too heavy of a topic to be addressed in the story considering the overall tone of the series. It would be ackward to have Sugar bringing a grudge against the Strawhats for "killing" her sister.
Anyway, if they never show up again, it's up to each reader to understand if they survived or not.
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It's bad enough oda is doing it for Bb pirates or Sabo, but I dislike recycled fruits. The snow one fit monet perfectly, actual straw hat can find something else. Lol btw did anyone tell sanji about pedro even now? I don't remember it.
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@uniaka:
It's bad enough oda is doing it for Bb pirates or Sabo, but I dislike recycled fruits. The snow one fit monet perfectly, actual straw hat can find something else. Lol btw did anyone tell sanji about pedro even now? I don't remember it.
Sanji figured out he was dead and had some encouraging words for Carrot.
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I like Tsuru's design and think Kiku's is lackluster.
We've just met Okiku. She's apparently named after a haunted doll in Japan that grows hair. Tenguyama was waiting for someone and he also happened to be a "doll collector" which was an oddly specific detail, so I'd wait to see where it goes. Maybe Okiku will turn out to be a yokai or something?
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If Monet is dead, she and Vergo would be the first villains to die in One Piece and, IMO, that's too heavy of a topic to be addressed in the story considering the overall tone of the series. It would be ackward to have Sugar bringing a grudge against the Strawhats for "killing" her sister.
Anyway, if they never show up again, it's up to each reader to understand if they survived or not.
Oda isn't even willing to let ARLONG be dead. Mother murdering, irredeemable, so nasty he has to stay in jail and doesn't get to be an anti-hero, Arlong. Even with him, where it could have easily been left to our imaginations that he was dead, Oda eventually had Hachi, a decade later, specifically decree "Yeah, he's alive and in jail."
Then he's letting potential mass murder Crocodile be an anti-hero, he's letting CP9 get to continue, Enel got his dreams to come true, and even child poisoner Ceaser is getting a free pass.
If Oda hasn't drawn that line before now, with the most truly evil characters in the series, why would he randomly start now by letting minions die?
There's a shot at Kaidou dying, because he was introduced as bored with life and having a death wise, but he won't die because of Luffy. And Shanks is almost certainly doomed. Why would Oda weaken those world changing events now by killing mooks for something that doesn't actually further the story or develop the characters in any way?
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Sanji figured out he was dead and had some encouraging words for Carrot.
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We've just met Okiku. She's apparently named after a haunted doll in Japan that grows hair. Tenguyama was waiting for someone and he also happened to be a "doll collector" which was an oddly specific detail, so I'd wait to see where it goes. Maybe Okiku will turn out to be a yokai or something?
There's like three different connections to the name OKiku/Kiku. So I'm kind of interested in her role in the arc.
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Oda isn't even willing to let ARLONG be dead. Mother murdering, irredeemable, so nasty he has to stay in jail and doesn't get to be an anti-hero, Arlong. Even with him, where it could have easily been left to our imaginations that he was dead, Oda eventually had Hachi, a decade later, specifically decree "Yeah, he's alive and in jail."
Then he's letting potential mass murder Crocodile be an anti-hero, he's letting CP9 get to continue, Enel got his dreams to come true, and even child poisoner Ceaser is getting a free pass.
If Oda hasn't drawn that line before now, with the most truly evil characters in the series, why would he randomly start now by letting minions die?
There's a shot at Kaidou dying, because he was introduced as bored with life and having a death wise, but he won't die because of Luffy. And Shanks is almost certainly doomed. Why would Oda weaken those world changing events now by killing mooks for something that doesn't actually further the story or develop the characters in any way?
Do you think Oda's storytelling would be different if he had Pell die?
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Dude had problems killing a boat, and even there he had to bring it to life and pass its soul onto the next boat.
I don't understand why you assume Sunny has Merry's soul.
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I don't understand why you assume Sunny has Merry's soul.
I think it's been stated one way or another that Merry's soul lives on in Sunny.
Although maybe that was Episode of Merry, so the canonicity is debatable.I don't think Oda is ever going to spell it out for the readers. I like to think that Merry's soul/klabautermann was reincarnated into the Sunny. So it's kind of both the same and different entities.
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There's like three different connections to the name OKiku/Kiku. So I'm kind of interested in her role in the arc.
I'm waiting for the matchup between the headliners. If someone from Wano is joining they'll be introduced near the start. Having a fight early to show off the new members abilities seems likely.
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Oda isn't even willing to let ARLONG be dead. Mother murdering, irredeemable, so nasty he has to stay in jail and doesn't get to be an anti-hero, Arlong. Even with him, where it could have easily been left to our imaginations that he was dead, Oda eventually had Hachi, a decade later, specifically decree "Yeah, he's alive and in jail."
Then he's letting potential mass murder Crocodile be an anti-hero, he's letting CP9 get to continue, Enel got his dreams to come true, and even child poisoner Ceaser is getting a free pass.
If Oda hasn't drawn that line before now, with the most truly evil characters in the series, why would he randomly start now by letting minions die?
There's a shot at Kaidou dying, because he was introduced as bored with life and having a death wise, but he won't die because of Luffy. And Shanks is almost certainly doomed. Why would Oda weaken those world changing events now by killing mooks for something that doesn't actually further the story or develop the characters in any way?
That reminds me, I never asked: since Sanji has clarified Pedro's fate for the audience, can we finally agree that his death might very well be real deal?
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I think it's been stated one way or another that Merry's soul lives on in Sunny.
Although maybe that was Episode of Merry, so the canonicity is debatable.I don't think Oda is ever going to spell it out for the readers. I like to think that Merry's soul/klabautermann was reincarnated into the Sunny. So it's kind of both the same and different entities.
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I'm waiting for the matchup between the headliners. If someone from Wano is joining they'll be introduced near the start. Having a fight early to show off the new members abilities seems likely.
So you think she's joining? Her Robin-like appearance throws me off, but if it's a disguise, then that'd be more interedting.
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Do you think Oda's storytelling would be different if he had Pell die?
Absolutely. It'd obviously be different. But the factors that made him change from his casual "let em die" attitude at the start of the series are his readers. He realized more implicitly by that point that he had a young audience, and that every character could end up being someone's favorite. Plus, he loves all his characters, and he had a bad experience watching Fist of the North Star when his favorite character in that died, so…
The work would probably overall be stronger if we could actually believe anyone was in danger ever, and things like Pedro's death or Sabo's obvious fake out death or Bon Kurei's sacrifice or Monet's elaborately staged fake out would all have way more impact if we actually believed anyone could die.
But then, it also wouldn't be as special as it is currently when Oda lets a character go once every 8 years or in flashbacks.
@Kaptayn:I don't understand why you assume Sunny has Merry's soul.
Because the crew explicitly commented on it at the start of Thriller Bark. Franky's work and love saved Merry's spirit. We haven't explicitly seen the Klaubterman again, and Sunny hasn't moved on it's own or anything, (but it IS starting to make facefaults!) but Oda was about as clear and reassuring as he could be without blatantly saying all that fuss over Merry was for nothing. Merry died, but the spirit lives on. I'd be willing to bet we'll get explicit confirmation by the end of the series, but… it's pretty much been cleanly stated.
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I'm of the same opinion as you, which allows me to have much deeper respect for Oda as well.
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That reminds me, I never asked: since Sanji has clarified Pedro's fate for the audience, can we finally agree that his death might very well be real deal?
Pedro is officially dead for the moment, Oda went well out of his way to make that clear at the end, while NOT mentioning Pekoms or Pound or any of the other sacrifices. So for the sake of discussion for the near future I accept him as dead.
But I won't be surprised in the least if he isn't when we wrap up Big Mom several years down the road.
Considering Oda was going for the unusual downer ending, with Pudding crying and the Fishmen pirates sacrificing themselves and all, that might have just been another piece. We STILL didn't get a body or a real farewell speech with his dying breath or resolution with Pekoms.
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Because the crew explicitly commented on it at the start of Thriller Bark. Franky's work and love saved Merry's spirit.
I don't remember that bit of dialogue. I reread chapter 442 (where they're on the ship, playing around until they find the barrel and Brook) but there's no mention of Merry's soul (/spirit). So, what scene(s) are you referring to exactly?
We haven't explicitly seen the Klaubterman again, and Sunny hasn't moved on it's own or anything, (but it IS starting to make facefaults!) but Oda was about as clear and reassuring as he could be without blatantly saying all that fuss over Merry was for nothing. Merry died, but the spirit lives on. I'd be willing to bet we'll get explicit confirmation by the end of the series, but… it's pretty much been cleanly stated.
The Klabautermann phenomenon is difficult to define because it's mystical and will certainly never be developed any further (and that's fine). But from what has been explained by Franky and Merry's farewells, it looks like one boat = one spirit, that sometimes manifests itself.
Merry "becoming" Sunny spoils his story-arc (Merry only came to life because he was "dying", but wanted to take his friends a bit further, as in until they could find a new ship), diminishes Franky's creation (the soul that would inhabit his ship wouldn't even be the soul of his own ship), and even (although to a much slighter extent) diminishes Usopp's incredible development during W7/EL. His whole rebellion was at the same time motivated by the "burden" of his relative weakness, the discovery of Merry's soul, and the realization of its fate, that naturally didn't have as much of an impact on the other characters since they didn't see the Klabautermann.
I'd push it even further by arguing that Merry technically didn't die since it wasn't alive in the first place, so Oda's fear, or rather unwillingness, whichever is more appropriate, of killing off characters isn't justified.
(It isn't canon but since fapfapfap mentioned it: in his special episode, Merry appears on Sunny (in front of Usopp) one more time before fading. This scenario is fine.)The "death" of Merry is one of my favorite scenes in the whole series and I'd be really disappointed if it went to waste.
Instead, Sunny can start having its own spirit, shown subtly with the faces he makes (as you said). When there's no reason to go through the Klabautermann plot one more time, why even bother making it explicit that Sunny = Merry's spirit?Ideal scenario for everyone is to leave it to interpretation. Those that want to feel like Merry is still tagging along can because Sunny now shows facial expressions; those that prefer him leaving the crew can assume Sunny has its own spirit. For now this is how it unfolds and I hope it will stay this way.
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That reminds me, I never asked: since Sanji has clarified Pedro's fate for the audience, can we finally agree that his death might very well be real deal?
Sanjo also mentioned that: it was not his place to die.
Which was obvious although people thought he accomplished his goal by being the sacrifice.
So, like Robby said, I would not be surprised if he comes back with the many ways Oda has set up for that comeback to be.
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So you think she's joining? Her Robin-like appearance throws me off, but if it's a disguise, then that'd be more interedting.
I wouldn't say that she's joining, just a person of interest. We don't know how that fight will go down, if it even does at all. But if she does face off against a headliner, I do think that'll make her more likely.
Robin-face is a problem but maybe part of her design is hidden. Who knows?
I'm of the minority opinion that we're getting 2 more members after JInbe. Carrot is probably one of them. No idea about the other.
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Sanjo also mentioned that: it was not his place to die.
Sanji said, "I never would've thought this would be your resting place." The other translations follow suit in that he had no idea Pedro was prepared to die in Totland, not that he's rejecting/in denial over the the action itself.
Also earlier in Ch. 878, Pedro clearly stated that despite getting 50 years taken from him, as he still at least gets to choose where he dies, which is exactly what he did.
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Lol btw did anyone tell sanji about pedro even now? I don't remember it.
Yes. There was a whole emotional scene between Carrot and Sanji.
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While I don't think Pedro is dead, it sure feels wierd to leave him out of wano if he is alive, it makes sense more for pekoms as BM pirate, but he was mink living on zou until jack plot happens. If he will not show up now, then He is saved for elbaf, pekoms and him follow BM there. He still has his unfinished fight with tamago, since he didn't get to fight his final form.
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Do you think Oda's storytelling would be different if he had Pell die?
Its funny that Pell became the symbol of Oda never killing anyone, when he's in the same arc as the Duck Guardians that kill themselves against Crocodile.
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Its funny that Pell became the symbol of Oda never killing anyone, when he's in the same arc as the Duck Guardians that kill themselves against Crocodile.
That's actually an interesting point. Have we seen anyother ducks besides Carue since then?
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That's actually an interesting point. Have we seen anyother ducks besides Carue since then?
No, not the other ducks. I'm talking about these guys:
They took a potion that makes them stronger, but then kills them. Vivi cried about them, and then they're never seen again.
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No, not the other ducks. I'm talking about these guys:
They took a potion that makes them stronger, but then kills them. Vivi cried about them, and then they're never seen again.
How terrible of me to forget them…..
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someone needs to piece together vergo so they can break doflamingo out of prison,
Bon Clay would be more capable to do so, he lives there, knows the ground and participated in a huge prison break, tho Vergo attacking Impel Down from outside might increase Bon chances to escape releasing Doula for his benefit.
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@K.:
Sanjo also mentioned that: it was not his place to die.
Which was obvious although people thought he accomplished his goal by being the sacrifice.
So, like Robby said, I would not be surprised if he comes back with the many ways Oda has set up for that comeback to be.
Like Blissed said (missed it at first, sorry :b), the quote as translated by Stephen was, "I never would have thought this would be your resting place." He was feeling guilt that Pedro died there helping him, but he wasn't in doubt about it.
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Pedro is officially dead for the moment, Oda went well out of his way to make that clear at the end, while NOT mentioning Pekoms or Pound or any of the other sacrifices. So for the sake of discussion for the near future I accept him as dead.
But I won't be surprised in the least if he isn't when we wrap up Big Mom several years down the road.
Considering Oda was going for the unusual downer ending, with Pudding crying and the Fishmen pirates sacrificing themselves and all, that might have just been another piece. We STILL didn't get a body or a real farewell speech with his dying breath or resolution with Pekoms.
Wild card revivals notwithstanding, okay, I'll take it.
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@uniaka:
While I don't think Pedro is dead, it sure feels wierd to leave him out of wano, it makes sense more for pekoms as BM pirate, but he was mink living on zou until jack plot happens. If he will not show up now, then He is saved for elbaf, pekoms and him follow BM there. He still has his unfinished fight with tamago, since he didn't get to fight his final form.
It shouldn't feel weird to leave a dead character out of an arc.