Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

Monquito

Yes? What does not having two fishmen on the crew have to do with the previous pages of discussion about women in One Piece?

not about that.

just at the fact that the exact same reasoning as to why there cannot be two fishmen in the crew applies the same for furries.

AvocadoInTheRain

@Monquito:

not about that.

just at the fact that the exact same reasoning as to why there cannot be two fishmen in the crew applies the same for furries.

Fishmen come from the same island and share a common history. Their place in the world of one piece is essentially the same. Meanwhile the only similarity between Chopper and a mink is that they have fur. Chopper was an outcast from his pack who gained sapience through eating a devil fruit while minks are a proud and mysterious warrior race who hold secrets of the void century. Those fall into two completely different niches in the narrative of one piece whereas two fishmen would both have the whole persecution thing going for them.

Monquito

@AvocadoInTheRain:

Fishmen come from the same island and share a common history. Their place in the world of one piece is essentially the same. Meanwhile the only similarity between Chopper and a mink is that they have fur. Chopper was an outcast from his pack who gained sapience through eating a devil fruit while minks are a proud and mysterious warrior race who hold secrets of the void century. Those fall into two completely different niches in the narrative of one piece whereas two fishmen would both have the whole persecution thing going for them.

they both are still the same thing, talking furries.
its really simple math, if we go to living skelleton island, cyborgs island, multiple limbs island, etc. it would all be already covered by Brook, Franky, Robin
it just happens that we went to furry island and oh, its already in the ship.
the 'proud warrior narrative' goes in line with the upcoming war that requires massive back up. Nothing in there points out in the slightiest that we're going for another crewmate. The Shandians and Elbafs are proud warriors as well, nothing unique either.

FelRes

Stop calling Chopper a furry before I take you all down the FurAffinity tunnel. They're both talking animals, but Chopper is more mascot than furry.

theackwardstation

Chopper is a plushie.

Monquito

though anything with fur could be called furrie…

also, correct me if I'm wrong but ever since we entered the NW, neither Nami or Robin have gotten proper 1 vs 1 fights with villains team.
the current arc seems promising to finally make it happen.
however, the thing is, at some point the SH's will be facing Teach with this 1vs1 dynamics, and to think that there would be 3 females in Luffy's side all having successful fights against 3 of Teach's titans, well honestly, who can actually picture such thing happening in this series, I mean like for real.

Shift

@AvocadoInTheRain:

Nope.

I think Oda is making a lot of this up as he goes along. Famously, Vivi was just going to be a Baroque works officer and it was only on the way to Whisky peak that Oda thought up the whole princess plot, that's why her design looks so villainous when we first see her.

But in terms of the crew, as you said Robin was a last minute addition. Franky was designed with Mr 2's voice actor in mind, so too much of his design can't have been set in stone from the start. Especially since the original shipwright was a small fishman. The plant guy got dropped completely and turned into a powerup for Usopp. Brook's original design involved a cowboy hat, so when that was changed, Yorki had to be invented out of thin air in order to explain who the guy with the cowboy hat was in Crocus' flashback. Jimbei just wasn't present at all in those crew sketches, and his original sketches (along with what Yosaku tells us about him) made him out to be more villainous than he turned out to be. Also I doubt that Oda would have two fishmen on the crew.

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So I think Oda sketched out a few initial ideas but left himself a lot of leeway for crewmates that would strike his fancy later on.

The little fish’s design was later used for a whole underwater village of catfish shipwrights, who aren’t the same biologically as fishmen or mermaids, who all show traits of different species. They’re closer to Pappagu, sea creatures who happen to be sentient.

That’s not to say the catfish’s story was always like that, but then again, we don’t know whether Jinbe was always considered a fishmen himself, if fishmen were originally planned to be called that and actually related to fish, or even if Jinbe was always called that name and related to whale sharks. Like you said, details can be changed, but the main picture has remained the same: Brook was always meant to be a skeleton, Robin was finalized before the story began, and Franky was likewise confirmed to be a large robotic shipwright at that time. I do think Monquito has a point; if we can accept that Oda could have more than one animal-inspired crewmember, then that should apply to both land and sea animals.

Moreover, I simply can’t accept the idea that some version of Jinbe wasn’t a part of Oda’s first sketch, much less that he wouldn’t be in the second one from right before serialization. There’s clear evidence that there were characters erased from both sketches: broken lines, gaps in the lineups, and again, the fact Oda confirmed 11 people were planned from the start. That implies Oda made it clear which two characters would really be joining and needed to be erased. Jinbe was one of them, 100 percent.

.access timeco.

From where exactly are you people drawing the conclusion that small guy is a fishman?

Shift

@.access:

From where exactly are you people drawing the conclusion that small guy is a fishman?

Yes, I made it clear that the catfish villagers are not fishmen according to the story, since there's a whole village of them and they look the same. There's no way to know if that crewmember one would have had the same story, but there you go.

Kitsune Inferno

@FelRes:

Stop calling Chopper a furry before I take you all down the FurAffinity tunnel. They're both talking animals, but Chopper is more mascot than furry.

Chopper is literally an anthropomorphic reindeer.

Johnny B. Decent

Did Luffy even care about Carrot when he got separated from the others?

Shift

@S.C.:

Did Luffy even care about Carrot when he got separated from the others?

When, at Wano? He didn't mention anyone by name, and he knew Sanji had taken them to safety.

FelRes

@Kitsune:

Chopper is literally an anthropomorphic reindeer.

Technically sure, but he fits more into the same category as Pappugg, ie a walking talking toy and not fetish fuel like the minks and certain zoans like Pell, Lucci, etc. Closest Chopper gets to that is modern horn point (his human form is more like a yeti).

MasterKingJC

Someone post that 20%, 50%, 100% furry image

Kitsune Inferno

@FelRes:

Technically sure, but he fits more into the same category as Pappugg, ie a walking talking toy and not fetish fuel like the minks and certain zoans like Pell, Lucci, etc. Closest Chopper gets to that is modern horn point (his human form is more like a yeti).

What does this even mean? I don't understand your argument at all.

FelRes

@Kitsune:

What does this even mean? I don't understand your argument at all.

Pappugg and Chopper resemble happy meal toys and not attractive fetishy furries like your signature and thus should not be lumped into the category of "furries" like minks because they're clearly on opposite sides of the talking animal spectrum

Shift

@FelRes:

Pappugg and Chopper resemble happy meal toys and not attractive fetishy furries like your signature and thus should not be lumped into the category of "furries" like minks because they're clearly on opposite sides of the talking animal spectrum

Great, so we're in agreement that Chopper and Carrot don't clash with each other on that front. XD

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

Choppers whole character establishing thing was he didnt want to be a monster and was worried he never would fit in with anyone. His throughline was that it didnt matter what he was but who he was. While carrot has possible relevance as a character from a seperate race.

Calling them two talking animals and thus redundant, its not like having two fishmen on the crew because chopper has no fuzzy pride or anything that woukd clash with carrot if oda wants to go in that direction.

Johnny B. Decent

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MasterKingJC

Reaching 1300 Pages has to be some type of milestone.

Johnny B. Decent

@MasterKingJC:

Reaching 1300 Pages has to be some type of milestone.

And still no official new crewmate since it was made.

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

Itll probably be at least 1500 before we get an answer for sure

Johnny B. Decent

@Long:

Itll probably be at least 1500 before we get an answer for sure

What a depressing prospect.

YoiYoi

@Long:

Itll probably be at least 1500 before we get an answer for sure

At that point, would it even matter? It does seem like we would be approaching the end of this manga once the Kaido arc concludes.

BattleFranky69

@YoiYoi:

At that point, would it even matter? It does seem like we would be approaching the end of this manga once the Kaido arc concludes.

True dat. Once you topple one of the world's strongest pirates, it seems like the Revolutionaries' big plot will be going down and present the next logical step in challenge, that being whole armies rather than pirate crews. And then probably a race to Raftel against Blackbeard where the big square-off will take place.

That said, it feels like the Kaido arc will be one of the biggest and most epic and will encompass Elbaf and other places we're looking forward to seeing, if it does indeed involve the ultimate Supernova alliance. Big Mom seems like she'll stick her ugly nose back into things at some point too, probably to kick off an evil pirate alliance and create the leadership of a third party in the upcoming big conflict with the Revolutionaries, Marines and pirates all vying for control. That would mean the end of the big arc is a long way off, so if we get someone soon, maybe it'll feel more right, otherwise dragging his feet this long before adding a new nakama isn't the best move on Oda's part.

choperman

@MasterKingJC:

"Maru" is usually used in boy names.

Shutenmaru could be a reference to the demon, Shuten-douji

Hey thanks for that!

I hope he is based off Shuten-douji because it would be awesome to have a king of Yokai, and a whole Yokai faction on the straw hats side

Now I'm more excited than ever to see this character (still wish it was a girl though:cwy:)

Drake_Cloud

@S.C.:

And still no official new crewmate since it was made.

IIRC, No official new crew-mate has joined since the previous 1000+ page thread was made either, and possibly the one before that. But that's a function of the most recent new member having joined back in 2006-ish I think? We've been running on 9 for well over a majority of the series's run time.

Kishido

I do not give a single damn about the next Strawhat that much but I’m still mad as fuck that Jinbe’s joining was postponed the 2nd time.

I’m at the point that I do not care anymore if he finally jumps on the Sunny as full time member

Kitsune Inferno

@FelRes:

Pappugg and Chopper resemble happy meal toys and not attractive fetishy furries like your signature and thus should not be lumped into the category of "furries" like minks because they're clearly on opposite sides of the talking animal spectrum

Um sure. I don't disagree with your point but maybe I take issue with your definition of "furry" and you calling it "fetishy". I guess by my definitions Chopper is absolutely one million percent a "furry" character but I suppose your definition is a little more restrictive. It's just a weird topic for me, partly because I really don't like being cast into the "furry is a fetish" pile. I dunno. I don't really have anything else to add to this.

theackwardstation

One could definetely argue that Chopper is a "furry" by definition, but why does it matter in the context of this discussion? If the argument is that all that is furry fall under the same umbrella (Chopper and Carrot), that's a pretty gigantic umbrella in regards to character design (all furries here: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/209/720/813.jpg). The extremes are so far apart that it hardly even matters design-wise, since visually they can differ in concept, silhouette, appeal etc.

Carrot's design is very human-like, much closer to the design of a woman than of a female non-human animal.
Chopper's main form is hardly an animal (just a cute mascot), and his form that is closest to a human is even less human-like after the time skip (and very different compared to Carrot).

When you also take into consideration that it's not only their concept-designs that are different, but also their nature (Carrot is a mink and Chopper is a reindeer that ate a devil fruit), I can't see how it matters that both are furries.

And yes, Chopper and Carrot are also very different from each other personality-wise. Carrot's behavior is closer to Luffy's.

MasterKingJC

And yet, when Luffy saw the minks this is what he had to say

theackwardstation

As if an artist's understandment of concept and design should be the same as Luffy's perception of reality, the guy that simplifies or misunderstands everything at first sight.

Monquito

whats really fun about all this, is that a character whos main feats and characteristics are shared by the entire population of a nation but somehow, she's unique!!!

Shift

Just got the go-ahead from Steven to shut 'er down. Feel free to continue any and all crewmate-related conversations in Vol. 7!