I called it, There is Yokai on this island Mother f***ers
Not disagreeing with you, but I don't think Koma-Inus are really Yokais.
They are more like Japanese Gargoyles.
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Not disagreeing with you, but I don't think Koma-Inus are really Yokais.
They are more like Japanese Gargoyles.
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"So this is what those Mink tribes can do" Dude, it's LITERALLY right there.
Oda has YET to give Carrot a feat that is her own thing and not something that is used as a tool to establish what the Mink tribe in general can do.
Oda using one character to establish entire group of characters is different from him establishing that character and her own individual skills. And as shown time and time again, she is a standard fair for Minks. Nothing unique, or totally different.
We haven't seen any other Mink do something remotely like this, and it's understandable for Franky to say this since it was his very first encounter with a member of the Mink tribe. Please, keep a minimum standard to your arguments.
Because "Minks just wanna have fun" is kind of a weak dream for a strawhat. I see her as the most driving founding members of the new Nox pirates though.
If you convince me that creating a new Nox crew holds more meaning to the character's dreams, goals and prospects than joining the Straw Hats, sure, why not. Other than that, I wouldn't call founding an entire new crew, let alone one with the significance of the Nox pirates, something that requires a weaker dream than joining Luffy's.
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If you convince me that creating new Nox crew holds more meaning to the character's dreams, goals and prospects than joining the Straw Hats, sure, why not. Other than that, I wouldn't call founding an entire new crew, let alone one with the significance of the Nox pirates, something that requires a weaker dream than joining Luffy's.
Well if they go to chase the stones she would exploring the whole world rather than the second part of the grand line only. She also continue Pedro's legacy which is the person she was linked to.
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Because "Minks just wanna have fun" is kind of a weak dream for a strawhat. I see her as the most driving founding members of the new Nox pirates though.
I don't consider it much worse than Brook's. She could want the greatest of the world and she can only have those with the best crew. Like Usopp becaming the bravest by facing the crazy adventures of the crew.
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Well if they go to chase the stones she would exploring the whole world rather than the second part of the grand line only. She also continue Pedro's legacy which is the person she was linked to.
Except going to chase the stones is a useless effort now that Robin exists and is actively searching and deciphering the stones herself, as part of her own stated dream. This has been brought again and again and I don't know why it doesn't just die. Pedro chasing the stones made sense because nobody could find a better way to track them. Robin can track them herself much more easily.
Meanwhile, Carrot is not even connected to that part of Pedro's journey. Is Nami a marine just because Belle-mère was one?
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Except going to chase the stones is a useless effort now that Robin exists and is actively searching and deciphering the stones herself, as part of her own stated dream. This has been brought again and again and I don't know why it doesn't just die. Pedro chasing the stones made sense because nobody could find a better way to track them. Robin can track them herself much more easily.
Carrot's dream is exploring the world. The stones are the pretense for it. Also the scholars have existed much longer than Pedro has and Roger even had Oden and the VOAT.
Meanwhile, Carrot is not even connected to that part of Pedro's journey. Is Nami a marine just because Belle-mère was one?
Well no. Nami is following her own dream she isn't trying to honor some promise she made to Bellemere or fufill her legacy.
I mean she is is suppose to join the strawhats or the nox because she wants to honor Pedro right?
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Carrot's dream is exploring the world. The stones are the pretense for it. Also the scholars have existed much longer than Pedro has and Roger even had Oden and the VOAT.
You can't make something as relevant in story as the stones a mere pretense, though. Having to find the stones alone is a big responsibility that ties her with the Straw Hats and forces both sides to keep a constant flow of information.
Well no. Nami is following her own dream she isn't trying to honor some promise she made to Bellemere or fufill her legacy.
I mean she is is suppose to join the strawhats or the nox because she wants to honor Pedro right?
I see what you mean here, but Pedro didn't know the Straw Hats when he was looking for the stones. His perspective on the Dawn of the Minks changed because he met Luffy. It's this new perspective what he tried to pass onto Carrot, not his aimless search for poneglyphs when there wasn't a clear use for them except finding, keeping and hoping that somebody would make a good use of them one day. Pedro knew that the stones were relevant, but he didn't have a way to make them relevant himself.
Now that Luffy exists, and specifically for the poneglyphs now that Robin exists, this scenario changes. And Pedro noticed that, and that was his speech to Carrot. Not "you need to search for the stones", but "you need to help Luffy because he's going to bring the Dawn".
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Also, I'd like to point what Luffy said in the last chapter, that they would visit their old friends after they finish their sailing around the world, which kind of affects the prospects on their journey. I mention this because there is this common idea that once the Straw Hats get to Raftel their journey and the series will end, and therefore they will need to solve their own goals before reaching that end. That may not be the truth, and nothing prevents other members of the crew from chasing their own dreams after that event. It's not like Robin won't be able to search for more poneglyphs if needed, or like Nami would stop wanting to explore new corners of the world to draw maps, or like Sanji won't look for the All Blue, or Brook won't make his journey back to meet Laboon.
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There's a difference between not having an answer for "Luffy willingly ate a bucket full of poison I've never seen before" and not being able to see objects larger than the ship before they are on top of it. Including a giant landmass.
I'm not the one that keeps declaring Lookout is Carrot's given role. For someone that lived in the crow's nest for like 30 chapters, she hasn't managed to see much of anything before it was actually on top of them. Not a single scene of her being good or adept at it, just… her doing it. ANd also sharing the role with Pedro, Chopper and Brook.
All while the designated "see long distances" guy isn't around.
If the point is "Oda will ignore responsibility for the sake of a joke or a surprise"... then isn't he as an author almost always going to prefer the "surprise" route?
You're allowed to fail at your job when facing something never before seen. But when your job is, literally, to see five feet in front of you with no expertise or knowledge needed, when the ONLY thing you need to do is say "big thing ahead" you can't mess that up too many times without seeming completely incompetent or inconsequential at it.
Carrot was literally staring right at that Octopus, and Nami who was standing with her back to it, still noticed it first. ANd the giant swarm of fish. And the giant mountain.
Carrot, the "expert lookout" couldn't manage one of those things in the course of a chapter?
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People are still debating Carrot despite her total lack of screen presence? Like, the damn Kabuki Octopus had as much interaction as she did last chapter.
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There's a difference between "Luffy ate a bucket full of poison I've never seen before" and "hey look, there's a whole bunch of giant things bigger than the ship coming up."
And there's a difference between interpreting Oda's panelling literally and assuming that there's obvious narrative ellipsis because it would kill the tension to have Carrot spot the danger and spend the subsequent panels drawing a void horizon before the danger is shown in front of the reader.
If what you want is to include two or three of these panels of "nothing happening and nothing being visible for the reader" to emphasize that Carrot could notice them in advance, you may want to tackle the consequences this would have for the narrative tension and the immersion of the reader. Assuming that there is an ellipsis and that Carrot, in fact, spots the danger before it fully reveals itself to the rest of the crew is much easier than what you are trying here, and also much less counterintuitive since the Straw Hats could anticipate and respond adequately to the threats she spotted and reported.
You can reduce it to absurd as well: if Carrot's role was useless, she wouldn't be the one who first sees and reports the threat. Because seeing and reporting the threat first is her role.
Also, it's interesting that you believe that Carrot didn't notice the octopus. I thought just the contrary. That she processed it as a completely normal event.
"The designated to see long distances guy" - Oh boy, this is going to be hard. Poor Usopp having his skills misinterpreted for freaking decades.
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And there's a difference between interpreting Oda's panelling literally and assuming that there's obvious narrative ellipsis because it would kill the tension to have Carrot spot the danger and spend the subsequent panels drawing a void horizon before the danger is shown in front of the reader.
If what you want is to include two or three of these panels of "nothing happening and nothing being visible for the reader" to emphasize that Carrot could notice them in advance, you may want to tackle the consequences this would have for the narrative tension and the immersion of the reader. Assuming that there is an ellipsis and that Carrot, in fact, spots the danger before it fully reveals itself to the rest of the crew is much easier than what you are trying here, and also much less counterintuitive since the Straw Hats could anticipate and respond adequately to the threats she spotted and reported.
And… that is going to happen EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Oda will always prefer to go for surprise over spotting in advance. He will always prefer concise getting into the action rather than having 3 or four panels of setup that a lookout spotting and reporting would require. If the nature of the story itself, if the pacing and the adventure is bogged down by a role getting in the way of the story, so that the author actively skips it and makes it inconsequential?
Also, it's interesting that you believe that Carrot didn't notice the octopus. I thought just the contrary. That she processed it as a completely normal event.
So she's worthless at doing the job then, just like the example of when Robin was doing it and failed to be helpful that kept being brought up as an example of why they needed someone dedicated? Anyone in the crew can fail to be lookout for the sake of a gag.
"The designated to see long distances guy" - Oh boy, this is going to be hard. Poor Usopp having his skills misinterpreted for freaking decades.
Yes, the guy who we have repeatedly seen on camera sniping targets from further away than anyone else could even see, who wears sniping goggles as a regular part of his design, who unlocked a haki powerup last time he had focus.
Yes, Usopp is the member of the crew that has been emphasised to be able to look far regularly as a special unique trait.
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And… that is going to happen EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Oda will always go for surprise over spotting in advance.
Are you then telling me that the lookout role is useless overall? Well then I'm speechless xD
I have said however, and so did Avocado, that the SHs had time to maneuver and counter various of these threats because Carrot spotted and reported them in advance. So if that's the problem…
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Yes, the guy who we have repeatedly seen on camera sniping targets from further away than anyone else could even see, who unlocked a haki powerup last time he had focus.
Yes, Usopp is the member of the crew that has been emphasised to be able to look far regularly as a special unique trait.
Oh, dear. Let's explain this again.
Usopp doesn't have further eyesight than a random marine. Source: Enies Lobby. Usopp could snipe and shoot from the tower, a very long distance. But he used magnifying goggles. And a random marine using binoculars could spot him. Their feats regarding this are the exact same.
What Usopp has is huge aim and precision as a sniper. Like, something out of this world. That's why he's a sniper. But being a sniper is not about looking further ahead, it's about being able to set your eyes in a specific point, aiming and hitting, no matter how far it is as long as you can spot it or you have enough information on where your target is given by another character. Nowhere in the manga it has been stated that he can see further than any other regular character, that is a misconception on his role and on the way he performs it.
Also, I'd like to know how do you use observation haki, which in Usopp's case allows him to visualize shadows of people, to spot islands or ships in an open sea, which will be the most common events a lookout will need to report.
PS: I love how you call her "worthless" for a single scene where everybody had the octopus in front of them and processed it as something normal and therefore chose to ignore it. You have a bit of a soft spot for her, don't you?
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There's a difference between not having an answer for "Luffy willingly ate a bucket full of poison I've never seen before" and not being able to see objects larger than the ship before they are on top of it. Including a giant landmass.
There is no difference. Like I said, the plot dictates how characters respond. In OP, you can dissect just about anything and see how little sense it makes when the plot takes hold. Remember that bird cage nonsense? Not a single person on the entire island (including Zoro, whose goal is to be the strongest swordsman alive) could cut the stupid thing. Carrot would see only what Oda wanted her to see. Just like Chopper can heal other SHs only when Oda wants them to. You're projecting reason into series that takes it very lightly.
I'm not the one that keeps declaring Lookout is Carrot's given role. For someone that lived in the crow's nest for like 30 chapters, she hasn't managed to see much of anything before it was actually on top of them. Not a single scene of her being good or adept at it, just… her doing it. ANd also sharing the role with Pedro, Chopper and Brook.
Weren't you the same one saying how useless a helmsman would be at this point in the story when a lot of us were saying Jinbe could have that role? I recall you saying (or maybe it was someone else) that his most likely role would be "lifeguard." The bottom line is, just like with other SHs, her role will only become important when Oda wants it to.
All while the designated "see long distances" guy isn't around.
A sniper and a lookout are two different roles, just like a shipwright and a helmsman roles are different. If Carrot (or any lookout) saw a target in the distance, they'd function much the same as Viola did when Usopp was trying to target Sugar.
You're allowed to fail at your job when facing something never before seen. But when your job is, literally, to see five feet in front of you with no expertise or knowledge needed, when the ONLY thing you need to do is say "big thing ahead" you can't mess that up too many times without seeming completely incompetent or inconsequential at it.
Carrot was literally staring right at that Octopus, and Nami who was standing with her back to it, still noticed it first. ANd the giant swarm of fish. And the giant mountain.
Carrot, the "expert lookout" couldn't manage one of those things in the course of a chapter?
Would you say any SH (save maybe Robin) was the best at their role when they first joined? She's only been doing it a couple of weeks in-universe and she obviously has room to grow. We know that there will be a huge naval battle during this arc and that's likely where a lookout's role becomes pivotal. All the stuff you're mentioning now will be quickly forgotten once she accepts the responsibility and gets a chance to shine.
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You can't make something as relevant in story as the stones a mere pretense, though. Having to find the stones alone is a big responsibility that ties her with the Straw Hats and forces both sides to keep a constant flow of information.
The relevant stones are the road and the history one(s). So one unknown and one in Raftel. The strawhats will get to them. I didn't invent that distinction. Oda suddenly did recently.
The other stones are the pretense for travel. Like the random one Jimbei got while traveling under the sea. She won't find the important ones. She will just find the random ones that are only interesting to Robin as a scholar rather than important to the actual story.
I see what you mean here, but Pedro didn't know the Straw Hats when he was looking for the stones. His perspective on the Dawn of the Minks changed because he met Luffy. It's this new perspective what he tried to pass onto Carrot, not his aimless search for poneglyphs when there wasn't a clear use for them except finding, keeping and hoping that somebody would make a good use of them one day. Pedro knew that the stones were relevant, but he didn't have a way to make them relevant himself.
Now that Luffy exists, and specifically for the poneglyphs now that Robin exists, this scenario changes. And Pedro noticed that, and that was his speech to Carrot. Not "you need to search for the stones", but "you need to help Luffy because he's going to bring the Dawn".
The last Road stone is unknown. How about they travel and manage to find the right rumors to let the strawhats find the stone? I'm not saying sailing with Luffy is the worst thing that could happen to Carrot but that the nox route is pretty much the same for her. Luffy already explored a lot and is moving forward. Carrot just started discovering so I can see why a less straightforward path is better for her discovering.
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Well, Inuarashi sure can't now. :ninja:
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We haven't seen any other Mink do something remotely like this, and it's understandable for Franky to say this since it was his very first encounter with a member of the Mink tribe. Please, keep a minimum standard to your arguments.
Oda is not going to show every single Mink jumping up to prove that point. He literally spelled it out in that dialogue by making it about the minks rather than Carrot.
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her role will only become important when Oda wants it to.
Nope.
If Oda wants to place emphasis on something, he will regardless.
Carrot being absolutely incompetent, and lacking any real quality that would qualify her as the special lookout that crew needs, isn't helping Carrot side at all.
This chapter would've been one of the greatest example of her lookout expertise IF Oda wanted that. Instead, she was barely visible and failed to notify the crew of everything. Whether she is there or not doesn't change how this situation plays out and THAT right there is the biggest evidence that she isn't good at her job, nor is Oda pushing her to be a strawhat.
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PS: I love how you call her "worthless" for a single scene where everybody had the octopus in front of them and processed it as something normal and therefore chose to ignore it. You have a bit of a soft spot for her, don't you?
Which should've been a scene where she, you know, does her lookout job and actually notifies the crew.
Her reaction being the same as everyone shows that she is just like the crew when it comes to looking out and therefore is completely irrelevant.
Not that hard to understand.
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Nope.
If Oda wants to place emphasis on something, he will regardless.
Carrot being absolutely incompetent, and lacking any real quality that would qualify her as the special lookout that crew needs, isn't helping Carrot side at all.
This chapter would've been one of the greatest example of her lookout expertise IF Oda wanted that. Instead, she was barely visible and failed to notify the crew of everything. Whether she is there or not doesn't change how this situation plays out and THAT right there is the biggest evidence that she isn't good at her job, nor is Oda pushing her to be a strawhat.
The lookout position is basically a spoiler position. If she calls something out it would likely take away from the awe-inspiring panel that Oda wants to surprise the reader with. Again, Oda can make the position meaningful when the plot requires it and all of these other instances of "Why didn't she see that?" will go away (just like the dozen times Chopper's been useless). Oda has drawn her in the crow's nest around a dozen different times. He's the king of detail, so there's a reason why he's done that so consistently. She wanted something to do and she's been doing. Regardless of how well she's done, she's doing the job she asked for. Wano will feature a huge naval battle, so if she proves useless there, then I'll concede. Until then, the plot dictates that she not spoil anything that Oda doesn't want her to.
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The lookout position is basically a spoiler position. If she calls something out it would likely take away from the awe-inspiring panel that Oda wants to surprise the reader with.
So what you're saying is that… that is going to happen EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Oda will always prefer to go for surprise over spotting in advance. He will always prefer concise getting into the action rather than having 3 or four panels of setup that a lookout spotting and reporting would require. If the nature of the story itself, if the pacing and the adventure is bogged down by a role getting in the way of the story, so that the author actively skips it and makes it inconsequential?
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So let me make it clear: You argue for Carrot´s position because she is apparently very good at it but she can´t do a good job anyway since she would spoiler stuff?
This is getting into Perona level twisted logic right there, just stop.
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So what you're saying is that… that is going to happen EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Oda will always prefer to go for surprise over spotting in advance. He will always prefer concise getting into the action rather than having 3 or four panels of setup that a lookout spotting and reporting would require. If the nature of the story itself, if the pacing and the adventure is bogged down by a role getting in the way of the story, so that the author actively skips it and makes it inconsequential?
No. You're saying that. I've said repeatedly that she would only excel at that position when the plot allowed it. Chopper failed to cure sick kids and he failed to cure his poisoned captain. The plot required both of those failures, so we just accepted them despite knowing how dumb they were. Zoro failed to cut haki strings from the bird cage despite wanting to be the strongest swordsman in the world. The plot required that failure, so we just accepted it despite knowing how dumb it was.
Carrot at this point has just been sticking to the job that she wanted to do. That job can obviously grow to a very important role, again whenever the plot requires it. Like I've said, there's a full scale naval battle coming up. I can't think of a better time for the plot to make that position very important.
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Purely coincidence
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I'm still wondering how people are thinking of Nox Pirates 2.0 when there's no reason for them to exist in the present narrative.
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How about they travel and manage to find the right rumors to let the strawhats find the stone? I'm not saying sailing with Luffy is the worst thing that could happen to Carrot but that the nox route is pretty much the same for her.
The Nox pirates route does not mesh that well with Pedro's instructions to keep the strawhats safe, and his unfulfilled ambition to sail with the previous pirate king.
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I'm still wondering how people are thinking of Nox Pirates 2.0 when there's no reason for them to exist in the present narrative.
Because Carrot's love for adventure prevents her from just going back home after all this, and there's no other conceivable way to explain why Oda shoved her into the story like he did without giving her something important to do. No other way, that is, except for her joining the strawhats in the position that she has been shown filling a dozen times now in order to fulfil the will she inherited from her dead mentor.
But it can't possibly be that for some reason.
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No. You're saying that. I've said repeatedly that she would only excel at that position when the plot allowed it. Chopper failed to cure sick kids and he failed to cure his poisoned captain. The plot required both of those failures, so we just accepted them despite knowing how dumb they were. Zoro failed to cut haki strings from the bird cage despite wanting to be the strongest swordsman in the world. The plot required that failure, so we just accepted it despite knowing how dumb it was.
Carrot at this point has just been sticking to the job that she wanted to do. That job can obviously grow to a very important role, again whenever the plot requires it. Like I've said, there's a full scale naval battle coming up. I can't think of a better time for the plot to make that position very important.
Difference being is, all of the Strawhats have been established as incredibly good and special in their specific field, and when they then ran into problems, it was to highlight how dire and unusual the circumstances are, not to downgrade any of the Strawhats.
Chopper has been established to be the only student of a legendary doctor who comes from an island world famous for their doctors, so he is the crème de la crème. And then when he failed, it was to show how immensely dire the situation was.
Chopper not being able to completely cure the children, a feat only a guy who is said to be 500 years ahead of his time is presumed to be able to, is not by any means even remotely comparable to Carrot failing to do the basic things a lookout is supposed to do.And Chopper not being able to cure the children has no plot relevance, not really.
And Zoro not being able to cut strings? Well the strings just happened to be coming from a legendary pirate who is one of the strongest characters in the entire One Piece world.
Once again, has really nothing to do with "i am a lookout, can´t see things and can´t warn the crew", there is something called context and another thing called degree.And regarding the naval battle, we had the biggest naval battle in 900 chapters in the arc that featured Carrot, she failed to the end.
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When did we learn this?
One Piece Magazine Vol.2 (according to sandman), but Oda did say that he might change his mind.
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One Piece Magazine Vol.2 (according to sandman), but Oda did say that he might change his mind.
Well shit! I'm looking foreward to that now.
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People are still debating Carrot despite her total lack of screen presence? Like, the damn Kabuki Octopus had as much interaction as she did last chapter.
Go back and read chapter 155. It's somewhat analogous to this chapter. Its the first chapter after Drum island and it features the characters talking about what they know about the upcoming arc. Chopper, the newbie, doesn't know anything about Crocodile or Alabasta, and thus can't really participate. He's given the same amount of panel-time and lines as Carue.
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And regarding the naval battle, we had the biggest naval battle in 900 chapters in the arc that featured Carrot, she failed to the end.
How did she failed ? She warned the other when there was a fleet and big mom behind them and when there was a fleet in front of them, she warned them when Sanji was coming to the sunny carrying Luffy.
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How did she failed ? She warned the other when there was a fleet and big mom behind them and when there was a fleet in front of them, she warned them when Sanji was coming to the sunny carrying Luffy.
You know the task of a lookout, right?
Warn the crew from dangers in their surroundings and hence giving the crew the opportunity to react to it.
Not mentioning the opponent´s movement when it´s already too late and everyone else has already noticed it.Oda had several opportunities to showcase a supposed special talent regarding being a lookout, but either she completely failed to fulfill that task, or simply was accompanied by the other Strawhats bar Jinbe, whose actual talents were undeniably shown, who were looking in all four directions, which once again highlights the lack of anything special regarding that position, since the other three Strawhats present, Nami, Brook and Chopper, were doing the exact same thing without being a lookout.
In the one moment Oda chose to illustrate Carrot in a good light, it was about her Sulong ability, arguably a very entertaining and impressive skill, but once again, like with everything else regarding Carrot, it was a preview for the fighting style of the entire mink race and especially the two big boys, who we will see in Wa No and logically, whose Sulong and Electro abilities will trump anyone else´s.
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How did she failed ? She warned the other when there was a fleet and big mom behind them and when there was a fleet in front of them, she warned them when Sanji was coming to the sunny carrying Luffy.
Pretty much, and they had time to react, but this is going to be ignored, of course, because people can't interpret basic panelling and narration.
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You know the task of a lookout, right?
Warn the crew from dangers in their surroundings and hence giving the crew the opportunity to react to it.
Not mentioning the opponent´s movement when it´s already too late and everyone else has already noticed it.Yeah I know the task of a lookout, and in all the exemples I gave, the rest of the crew hadn't noticed anything yet.
Just like here : https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/879/page/7 when Jinbe is reacting to what Carot says. Or here : https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/888/page/7
And in the second exemple, because Carot warned them there was a fleet in front of them, they had time to react and think about what to do to save the day.
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This is the dance that never ends, the dance of ropes and snakes, and rabbits and roosters, and somehow kid killing scientist and rapeface mud kidnapers, the nakamate dance. Horohoro
Shuffle around, change your place, look out for the lookout or clean up for the cabin boy.
Will she join? Won't she join? Did he join? He won't join?
From Wicca to Shirahoshi, from East blue to outer space, big and small, far and near, everybody do the nakamate dance.
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Also I'm not sure why people keep saying that Carrot didn't notice the octopus when she clearly did before Brook or Nami.
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Also I'm not sure why people keep saying that Carrot didn't notice the octopus when she clearly did before Brook or Nami.
Because…. she didn't say anything about it.
She also didn't notice the giant school of fish larger than the boat or the mountain.
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Also I'm not sure why people keep saying that Carrot didn't notice the octopus when she clearly did before Brook or Nami.
I'd be all into saying that this was a failure of her for not reporting if it didn't happen that everybody could notice the octopus easily (Carrot is to be blamed as much as Brook, Chopper, Luffy and Nami) and reporting an event that happens inside the ship is not even the job of a lookout.
Carrot did fail as a lookout once, by the end of Whole Cake right after Sanji boarded the ship. Not sure why people have to stretch to find examples that clearly don't apply.
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Why do people have to be that much certain about the impossibility of Carrot joining the crew though ? Is that because "the good old respectable members of ArlongPark Forum" agree with you ? Is that because Greg and Robby share your opinion ?
Anyway, if she joins the crew, it's not before the end of Wano. She still has hundreds of chapters to be developed. And it's not because the last crew-mate is a former shichibukai, that the next one has to be even stronger.
"This is the NewWorld, we need men with experience– look at Jinbei. It has been set in stone that Jinbei is a standard for any other new crewmates! " This is as much foolish as saying that anyone after Zoro had to be famous throughout EastBlue for–-- somethingI think there isn't enough material yet too. But there is still a lot to happen, there is still a lot that can be done to move her closer to the SHs
Also, I'm expecting her to have a conversation with Pekoms in Wano. I don't know. It might be useful
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I just find it hard to believe that anyone thinks Carrot won't join if she sticks around with the SHs for all of Wano arc.
Her being prominent for WCI arc + Wano arc is way more than any other character has gotten thus far without joining.
If she disappears for most of Wano arc then I'd concede that she's probably not joining but that doesn't look like thatll be the case.
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If she disappears for most of Wano arc then I'd concede that she's probably not joining but that doesn't look like thatll be the case.
she already disappeared tho.
plus with the huge amount of characters supposed to play a role here, she's so gone by now.
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Replace "baratie + arlong park" for Jhonny and Jusaku
Replace "Whiskey Peak + Little Garden + Drum + Alabasta" for Vivi
Replace "Jaya + Skypea" for the south bird
Replace "Arlong Park + Shabody + Fishman island" For hachi, Just "Shabody + Fishman island" for Camie
Replace "Punk Hazard + Dressrosa + Zou" for Law
Replace "Water 7 into Eines Loby into Water 7 again" for Paulie
Replace "Thriller Bark and <that island="" with="" the="" humandrils="">" for Perona
Replace "Amazon Lily + Impel Down + The war + Back to Amazon Lilly + Shabody" for Hancock
We had a ton of traveling companions.
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She hasn't done anything above and beyond the other traveling companions, and the arc where she supposedly joins is only remotelly tangential to her tribe, not herself.</that>
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Every single pro & con of Carrot for NN has already been discussed to death that it is kinda moot to discuss further. There is like 200+ pages of discussing the same point over & over again. Lol
This is the dance that never ends, the dance of ropes and snakes, and rabbits and roosters, and somehow kid killing scientist and rapeface mud kidnapers, the nakamate dance. Horohoro
Shuffle around, change your place, look out for the lookout or clean up for the cabin boy.
Will she join? Won't she join? Did he join? He won't join?
From Wicca to Shirahoshi, from East blue to outer space, big and small, far and near, everybody do the nakamate dance.
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she already disappeared tho.
plus with the huge amount of characters supposed to play a role here, she's so gone by now.
Contrarily to fapfapfap here I don't believe that her being with the Straw Hats in Wano should mean something definitive, it's up to the character and the kind of relationship she builds with the crew in the end, but so far Luffy is the one who strayed away from the crew as it happens in pretty much every arc, we don't know what happened to the rest.
About her not having a relevant role… we could say the same for every other character using that excuse. I'm sure Oda won't struggle to give spotlight to all the factions he intends in this arc. It seems ambitious enough for that and more.
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She hasn't done anything above and beyond the other traveling companions, and the arc where she supposedly joins is only remotelly tangential to her tribe, not herself.
To say that Wano is remotely tangential to the Minks is quite perplexing (if you mean Wano, of course, because she didn't join the crew in Whole Cake). As members of an old alliance with the samurai, the Minks have a lot more personal and emotional reasons to fight Kaido than the Straw Hats and Law ever will. Not to mention that Jack destroyed their hometown.
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Yeah, that comment was victim of a missedit.
What I tried to say was: "An arc that is remotelly tangential to Her, conected only throught her tribe"
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Yeah, that comment was victim of a missedit.
What I tried to say was: "An arc that is remotelly tangential to Her, conected only throught her tribe"
Fair enough then
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Replace "baratie + arlong park" for Jhonny and Jusaku
Replace "Whiskey Peak + Little Garden + Drum + Alabasta" for Vivi
Replace "Jaya + Skypea" for the south bird
Replace "Arlong Park + Shabody + Fishman island" For hachi, Just "Shabody + Fishman island" for Camie
Replace "Punk Hazard + Dressrosa + Zou" for Law
Replace "Water 7 into Eines Loby into Water 7 again" for Paulie
Replace "Thriller Bark and <that island="" with="" the="" humandrils="">" for Perona
Replace "Amazon Lily + Impel Down + The war + Back to Amazon Lilly + Shabody" for Hancock
We had a ton of traveling companions.</that>
How are you complaining about this thread going in circles when you're bringing up this old and completely debunked argument again?
Unlike all of those, Carrot isn't there for exposition, plot reasons, or as a red herring.
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Carrot is there for exposition. First with Sulong. And soon with her questioning about the Dawn.
She is the epitome of red hareing.
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This is the dance that never ends, the dance of ropes and snakes, and rabbits and roosters, and somehow kid killing scientist and rapeface mud kidnapers, the nakamate dance. Horohoro
Shuffle around, change your place, look out for the lookout or clean up for the cabin boy.
Will she join? Won't she join? Did he join? He won't join?
From Wicca to Shirahoshi, from East blue to outer space, big and small, far and near, everybody do the nakamate dance.
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Replace "baratie + arlong park" for Jhonny and Jusaku
Replace "Whiskey Peak + Little Garden + Drum + Alabasta" for Vivi
Replace "Jaya + Skypea" for the south bird
Replace "Arlong Park + Shabody + Fishman island" For hachi, Just "Shabody + Fishman island" for Camie
Replace "Punk Hazard + Dressrosa + Zou" for Law
Replace "Water 7 into Eines Loby into Water 7 again" for Paulie
Replace "Thriller Bark and <that island="" with="" the="" humandrils="">" for Perona
Replace "Amazon Lily + Impel Down + The war + Back to Amazon Lilly + Shabody" for Hancock
We had a ton of traveling companions.</that>
Don't really plan on jumping into "Carrot Will (Not) Join!" debate at the moment, as I want to see more of her thoughts and actions over the coming arc before planting my flag in one camp or another, but I do think you're stretching the concept of "traveling companion" a bit here…
Johnny and Yosaku, sure. Vivi, absolutely. Hancock, a bit debatable but why not. Law and Momonosuke/Kinemon/et al., you bet. But the South Bird? Let's be honest, that was a plot device and a gag, at best.
Beyond that, Hachi was one of the villains in the Cocoyashi arc and was barely in Fishman Island by virtue of it being his home island and having a personal connection to relevant past events. The only arc where he interacted with the Strawhats in any meaningful way was Sabaody, and even then he was basically just their tour guide. Same with Camie. While the Strawhats certainly formed a friendship with both and their involvement ended up triggering the events that led the crew to be scattered by Kuma, I wouldn't called them "traveling companions" any more than I would Conis, Shirahoshi, or Rebecca/Viola - along for the ride and definitely involved, but more limited in the scope of their actions.
Given the heavily intertwined nature of the Water 7 and Enies Lobby arcs, I would say the same for Paulie (or any other member of both Galley-La and the Franky Family). They teamed up with the Strawhats to achieve different, though related goals and ended on good terms, but calling them "traveling companions" is a lot like saying Crocodile or Buggy is Luffy's "traveling companion" because they made the trip from Impel Down to Marineford and all participated in the war together.
Carrot, whatever you may think about her chances of joining on a more permanent basis, joined up for an arc that had basically nothing to do with her for no reason other than a thirst for adventure, but the death of Pedro (and some of the things he said to her beforehand) adds some additional weight to the Strawhats' journey for her. Not going to say it will push her to join the crew, but the people who think it might aren't entirely wrong.
That's why I think what she does (or does not do) in Wano will be necessary before we can rule her in or out completely.
