! I was much the same; during the episode itself, the Watermelon Steven portions really didn't do much for me, and I just kinda sat through it (didn't help that the vid I was using to watch had buffering issues throughout), but in hindsight, I don't mind it so much. I also had to lol at that random burst of black comedy in there where the watermelon bird tried to fly away, fell out of the tree, and splatted into pieces on the ground.
! I've actually been wanting to get a glimpse of our pals on Earth to see how they're doing, so I never minded that premise at all. It would have been great if the whole episode once Steven mind-traveled to Earth was about that so we could have seen them for longer (and it's a shame that Lapis and Peridot are still poofed), but I guess they were probably saving money on the VAs and/or not able to schedule them, and so if we were only gonna have Bismuth and Greg for that very short time, I loved the way they did it, with no dialogue and just the background song (which was gorgeous!). Loved it when they did that back in "Bubbled" with "Love Like You", too.
! Lion continues to be wonderful. :wub: (So do Greg and Bismuth, for that matter, of course.)
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Who would have thought the person to sing "Escapism" turns out to be
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! Though, for those who didn't already know this (which included myself; the voice in the episode sounded familiar, but I didn't know whose it was until reading about it after the episode), while Rebecca Sugar sang the original version of "Escapism", in this episode it was sung by AJ Michalka, Stevonnie's VA, with Steven's and Connie's VAs providing backup singing during the "Free"s. -
It was okay. One of those watch it once and never again episodes.
! Of course, I've never been much of a fan of side story episodes. But, I did get a kick out of Steven drawing pictures instead of just explaining with words from the start. The problem now is how is Team Bismuth getting the Homeworld. Sure, Bismuth probably could build a ship but Lars should be arriving soon and it'll tie perfectly into the usual side story block that happens between the main story stuff (Me guessing, I'm avoiding spoilers/promos best I can).
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They've got Lion. They can get to Lars instantly, if he doesn't get to them first.
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They've got Lion. They can get to Lars instantly, if he doesn't get to them first.
Can they use Lion without Steven, though? Can Watermelon Steven enter Lion?
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Can they use Lion without Steven, though? Can Watermelon Steven enter Lion?
Unclear, since its never been demonstrated one way or another. Other people can certainly go through the portal, but may need Steven as an anchor, we dunno.
Lion also has teleporting abilities, but that may be limited to Earth.
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Definitely limited to earth, he gets super tired by going to the moon.
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Well, that very much felt like a series finale, but now I guess we've got the movie to look forward to.
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Yeah, if that was the series finale in my opinion it was a good way to end the series. I can't wait for the movie.
! I like new outfits for both Pearl and Amethyst.
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I'm satisfied.
! Obsidian is scary cool.
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Well I'm satisfied, if this is the end, I'm ok. The series had it's problems but if every pork chop was perfect we wouldn't have hotdogs.
Still believe the the show ain't over, but that's up with the suits at CN.! Obsidian as metal af. White was a phenomenal antagonist. Some things could have used more time, like Lars arrival felt awkward as hell. The animation was amazing. Embarrassing WD into submission, brilliant. And I don't know what more to say.
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Well I'm satisfied, if this is the end, I'm ok. The series had it's problems but if every pork chop was perfect we wouldn't have hotdogs.
LOL. I don't think I've ever heard that saying.
And I don't believe there's a perfect series/book/movie ever.
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LOL. I don't think I've ever heard that saying.
And I don't believe there's a perfect series/book/movie ever.
I also don’t believe any thing can be perfect, but as far as animation goes, SU did an outstanding job.
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Haven't watched the episodes. Gonna have to wait for my wife to get home.
Is it a finale or are we still in the limbo of CN won't say a damn thing about whatever they've ordered even three years later?
LOL. I don't think I've ever heard that saying.
Thats because the show invented it. It was really early on, in the first couple of episodes.
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Didn't really appreciate the Trigger end with a song and things getting solved without the dramatical punch they deserved, but overall cool episode. Just wish the fusions were better used, and that WD didn't got
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Is it a finale or are we still in the limbo of CN won't say a damn thing about whatever they've ordered even three years later?
I mean, CN still hasn't officially said that it's over, but I really don't know where else they could take the show after this.
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Haven't watched the episodes. Gonna have to wait for my wife to get home.
Thats because the show invented it. It was really early on, in the first couple of episodes.
sniff I miss CU.
And yeah, I haven't seen the whole series. One reason I'm debating getting Hulu.
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A few weeks ago they posted Shelby Rabara (Peridot's VA) recording lines for something new, so if it's not for the movie then we should be getting maybe a wrap up season going over the aftermath and stuff.
Or it could be the movie. Who knows.
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sniff I miss CU.
And yeah, I haven't seen the whole series. One reason I'm debating getting Hulu.
Doesn't netflix have it over there as well?
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sniff I miss CU.
And yeah, I haven't seen the whole series. One reason I'm debating getting Hulu.
https://www.thewatchcartoononline.tv/anime/steven-universe
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And I'll tell her you said so. She doesn't post here anymore since basically everyone that talked to her left.
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sniff I miss CU.
And yeah, I haven't seen the whole series. One reason I'm debating getting Hulu.
Ummm…who is CU?
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A real person. Poster of arlong park of old.
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Wasn't a new season greenlit.
I mean I know that means we're getting nothing until 2023 but still.
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The reddit acts like it has been anounced, without producing any link or tweet, or reference.
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Quick Review
! I can see how to milk another season, this one's after the first diamond clash went into "I think we are canceled guys" territory.
! But the fact that we went over "I'm not real, because I'm my mom" core issue of Steven, the "I'm my mom and I must fix her mistakes", and his "I'm not my mom because I can't be better than her", what is left for a possible climax? Can we have a climax-less season?
! Maybe a per-character epilogue, seeing the healed gems, homeworld or our characters adapting to the new status quo, or filling in the blanks of the off colors and reserve crystal gems were doing before they showed up.
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Sunstone is the best gem.
Prove me wrong.
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Whelp, that was a finale. Definitely rushed the last 8 or so episodes, and really rushed the last couple minutes, but a finale is definitely better than a cliffhanger. Not a bad ending overall.
There's absolutely room for more epilogue stuff and more checking in on the townspeople, and they've obviously announced the movie… but that really feels like it was the end, movie aside.
We never did get back to that pink haired girl Pearl was interested in. That's unusual for this show.
@Cyan:
Wasn't a new season greenlit.
I mean I know that means we're getting nothing until 2023 but still.
Nope. Nothing official from cartoon network, outside of the movie announcement last summer.
Reddits and fanpages have extrapolated what they wanted to hear, but its variation on "the brazillian voice actress for character X tweeted they were recording dialogue on future stuff so that means season six confirmed!" that's gone back and forth in this thread the least two or three years.
At a guess just from how things paced out, I'd say the wedding was their original season ending, and they couldn't really negotiate an actual full length season 6 but were able to get okayed to do a 8 episode finale. So we got a 32 episode season (after many many delays) instead of 25 or 26. Under the show's normal pacing, Blue and Yellow on Earth would have been a handful of episodes by itself and it would have taken two or three episodes to get the legs working, but they just crammed like crazy and did the entire White arc really, REALLY fast.
And somehow they still found time to waste on another watermelon episode before the climax. Truly this show is this show
Or maybe tomorrow they'll announce there's another 20 episodes coming and we've been in season 6 for the last eight episodes already.
Ummm…who is CU?
CaptainUsopp. Someone from the forum's olden days.
That I married.
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The watermelon episode aparently was because a guest animator or something like that. My guess is that it was done for a while outside normal schedule and they said "go".
About fusions, and miscelaneous gems:
! Pink Quartz: Loved the design, even though is outside what I'd like, I guess after smoky quartz and her weird double arm, a symetric fusion just clicks.
Sunstone: eh- on the design, loved the sanitized-wholesome-90's-tude
Obsidian: A little bland on colors, but desing, powerwise and the such was just as I dreamed. And steven finally made it, he turned himself into a giant Woman. If we get Franky (on Sunny) vs San Juan Wolf, it will be like this, but with beams.
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"Change your mind" was epic, it was even worthy be the series finale.
But the question remains:
Is this really the end?
What about the movie and Season 6?
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Doesn't netflix have it over there as well?
Nope.
https://www.thewatchcartoononline.tv/anime/steven-universe
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Eh, there's more on Hulu than just Steven Universe that I'd watch, it's just an element of my decision.
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Netflix spain has at the very least 2 seasons.
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! And steven finally made it, he turned himself into a giant Woman.
LOL. Yes, so he did. So he did.
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Sunstone is the best gem.
Prove me wrong.
Wtf I wanted to post this. The fusion Marathon was just a great bit of last second fan service, and I appreciate that we got it.
A satisfying conclusion either way.
! Though I do wish we got some dialogue from Jasper, considering her weird part in this story. However, I guess the expressions and interaction with Amethyst did say a lot, so I'm not exactly unhappy with it.
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No doubt in mind this is the original ending before CN greenlighted another season.
! I would say everything happened a bit too fast but that's typical SU. It still worked brilliantly. We hit all the major plot points. My favorite moments are Blue and Yellow. I love their character arcs and relationship with each other. They really only had each other all this time. Their fear of WD and how it ties into a dysfunctional family works well. The show dropped the parallels, they're a screwed up family, period. Many people can relate.
! Learning once and for all Steven IS Steven was a shocker. Guess the memories were echos of PD. WD's embarrassment was strange at first but I get it now. The desire to be perfect only to feel/do something you thought you'd never do. That's an image breaker. Still, it was quick, but I'm satisfied. Everything else was icing. The new forms (not crazy about them except for Pearl), the fusions (love Rainbow Quartz), Lars. Great stuff. -
So from today's podcast:
[hide]Interviewer: The season ends with a song, "Change Your Mind", so what does that song. to you guys express the theme of the episode and just of the show in general.
Rebecca: That song was not actually written for the show. That was a personal song that I wrote while fighting for the wedding. And at first I wasn't sure if I wanted to include it, because I knew I would feel exposed, but over the course of making the show, it was the thesis that I had arrived at, in order to keep functioning as a show runner. And I didn't want to half say it. I wanted to actually say what I'd learned and what I meant.
Ian JQ: "Change Your Mind" isn't the end of the franchise Steven Universe, but "Change Your Mind" is the end to this particular story that we started writing back in 2011. And "Change Your Mind" is sort of like, almost even though it's something that you wrote during the process, it's kind of an encapsulation of sort of the whole thing. Do you have any thoughts about like it being like the finale to this part of Steven's story?
Rebecca: The thing about Steven Universe is that it's a coming of age story. And this is something that he had to figure out in order to start making decisions for himself. And throughout the show it's actually been very difficult to write Steven, because he puts others in front of himself, and his motivations are so tied in with what he thinks other people want, what he thinks his mother would have wanted, what he thinks the gems want, who he thinks he's supposed to be, and this is where we finally break that all that down, he can't be distracted by any sort of "supposed to", it doesn't exist for him, and he doesn't have to be what other people want or expect him to be, that's what he needed to find.
Ian JQ: I don't think it's a spoiler to say that this specific arc of Steven, 'Change Your Mind' definitively makes a definitive statement on Steven and who he is and what he thinks he is. And how he feels about it. And moving forward from now, it's going to be different.
Rebecca; Everything will be different.
Ian JQ: Everything will be different. I really hope that if you're the kind of person who is waiting to watch like more stuff, is that you don't think of the break between "Change Your Mind" and what comes next, as like, you're waiting for more of THIS show, because this version of it is done, there's going to be more, but it's going to be different and it's going to be something new. There's a lot more to do. But, we're not coming back here, because Steven has really figured something out about himself. So this part of the story, you know, that's it.
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This show is a goddamn achievement.
! the resolution to the "is Steven Rose" question was the most satisfying thing. And though it was quick, I love that it also is what triggered Whites meltdown: She was so sure she had pink figured out. That she was just acting out as a spoiled brat again. That she couldn't really have been serious about her problems with White, and homeworld. But she was. And she's never coming back. For the first time, White has to truly reckon with the fact that maybe…she was in the wrong. Which can be a terrible thought to some people...but thankfully, you are allowed to Change Your Mind
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also... a tie between this, Gravity Falls, Adventure Time and Bojack Horseman for best Western animated series of the '10s?
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I'd put it first. I love Bojack extremely dearly, but the ambition and the sheer scope of what Steven Universe achieved with its format is utterly staggering to me. For a 10 minute Cartoon Network show to handle these themes this well and be this emotionally mature? I honestly think it might be the most important TV show I've ever seen. Bojack also encourages introspection and reckoning with toxic behavior, but by targeting kids, Steven Universe might help making them good people in the first place. Its existence legit brings me hope.
Plus, razor sharp writing and pacing, great art direction and music, elegant and non-intrusive worldbuilding, and astounding character work. Its just a damn, damn well told story.
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I don't know in what world Bojack stands alongside the others. Or what world Adventure Time isn't just super far ahead of the rest because it was a monolithic series that shaped western animation through the decade (and was even directly responsible for the existence of Steven Universe).
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Well if you judge it just on "impact" sure, but "best" is a hard thing to quantify. I personally tapped out of Adventure time a few years back, but Bojack I eagerly await every year; It packs emotional wallops unlike any show I've ever seen, as well as delighted belly laughs. The sheer craft that goes into shaping the character arcs and comedy while still keeping things episodic impresses the heck out of me, but I'm slightly biased since the shows overall messaging is much in line with my own personal beliefs and values. To me, Bojack is one of the best shows on air because it engages me more than other shows, both in terms of its comedy, its characters, its drama and its themes…But Steven Universe even more so.
(Not saying you can't like Adventure Time more BTW, thats just my perspective on it in comparison to Bojack)
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For impact, yeah, Adventure Time clearly wins. But impact isn't the same as Best.
Its pretty clearly the influential daddy of the current crop of animation and the 10 minute format, that Regular Show and Steven and Gumball all borrowed from, and it ran the longest but that's really kind of a negative… it ran too long. The creator and most of the writing staff left after season five ,(many of them to go onto Steven) and while the show carried on, it wasn't the same and took a very, very long time to get its mojo back. The last episodes that really left any impact on me and did anything truly special were Do You Remember Me, which shook the entire show to it's core... and then Simon and Marcy, which has apparently permanently altered the Cheers theme in my brain. And wow, what moments. And that was around episode 120.But then... the show ran for another five years and 150 episodes. And sure, there were moments here and the million plot threads kept spinning and going forward (and then ultimately stalling so everything could wait till the finale) and there but nothing anywhere near as strong as the first time they fought the lich, or Jake surprise having kids, or PB's brief stint as a child, or the flame princess arc or the surprise of Fiona and Cake. It just sort of... kept going. Finn grew up some but Jake never really changed or grew and the show mostly repeated itself and spun its wheels and held a bunch of plot threads years longer than it should have just so it could save them till the very end and just... eh. I can tell you what happened in the second half of the series but I can't tell you fondly or with any real reaction to it.
(And lest you think I'm being unfair to the show, even Gargoyles, which I'll probably defend as the best american animated show ever for decades to come, had a super crazy weak second half where they went around the world at random that was boring, and a bad stretch of episodes when they got back and I hold that stretch of nearly thirty episodes against it almost half the show... they hurt the show as a whole. But they pulled it back around at the finale.)
Gumball was okay but I only caught it sporadically, and havent seen at all since I moved a few years ago, so I have no idea how that has held up.
My Little Pony, revelation as far as "shows made for girls goes", good music and memorable characters, but has also absolutely gone on too long, they've had no idea what to do with any of the characters for the last couple years and I'm glad its coming to an end.
Gravity Falls... never did anything for me. I don't know why, but it just didn't. I know its much beloved by others, but it just... didn't click for me.
Bojack... should not be a contender. It's well written but its a completely different thing and a completely different audience and a completely different goal. It could be a live action show if you take out the animal stuff, and most of the scripting and direction wouldn't change much. Brilliant writing, and it won me over forever during the season with the spaghetti strainers and its eventual payoff. But it's playing in a different category and shouldn't be compared with the bright colorful kid action adventure shows.
Avatar Last Airbender is from all the way back in 2005-2008, so it's not a contender, (probably the winner of the 00 era though) but Korra.... is also not a contender. Korra had some good stuff but was super flawed and had an awful second season.
Venture Brothers started all the way back in 2003 and is still going, sort of, so not technically a contender.... but I think when the dust is settled and its all said and done it'll definitely be one of the greats.
Ricky and Morty is fun and all, but it's... Rick and Morty.
Mysteries Inc was the best version of Scooby Doo we're ever gonna get. But... its still Scooby Doo at the end of the day.
Netflix's Voltron is surprisingly solid, good character work, animation, action stuff, overall plot. Outside of the early thing with Pidge I don't think anything is going to stick with me as a super memorable moment, it was kind of just a straightforward action series mostly.
Bob's Burgers is fantastic. It's sitcom-ey, but the quality has remained solid since the start. It's not super deep though and the characters don't really grow, but its a great show.
Ducktales... it's good. It's fine. It's probably exactly what it should be. But it's also not exactly amazing, particularly when its up against its original version and the comics.
Steven... pretty much nailed it. ALl the characters had arcs and growth, beautiful animation, great music, so much raw emotion and relationship on display. It maybe dwelled too much on some of the town episodes (we could have lost every single Ronaldo epiosde and lost nothing) and rushed at the end some, but it's very very solid. I'm pretty sure I'll revisit it at some point.
Though I think deep down secretly we all know that the Untitled Clifford the Big Red Dog reboot is the show to look out for.
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There has to be more sentient life out there, as the diamond autority was afraid of being "the laughingstock of the universe", but I feel that to avoid the more serious moral quandries, the only colony with sentient life was earth.
The way that the kindergardens work imply that they are taking life force, but it could very well be escential minerals or the like, making the taking of life sustaining planets unnecesary, but I can't asume that earth was the first planet with organic life encountered, (besides the existence of the forest moon, and Pink's zoo) as they didn't react with any form of surprise to it.
My current interpretation is that gem production requires extracting the same minerals that life needs, leaving the chance for some of the colonies to be "earthlike" planets outside their goldylock zone, so a colony without victims. But that can't mean completely clean hands, as them turning earth into a colony, without any justification, but one more of the bunch, means that they have ended biospheres before.