Chapter 709: King Punch
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You know, it isn't impossible to tell sarcasm in words.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but are you not one of the posters who come out of the cave and complain every single time there's a break?
It's always the same set of posters. I believe I've seen them bitch about Oda's work over and over and over, it's getting really old and predictable.Also, the bolded part is not true.
I have two full weeks of vacation time a year, as well as two weeks of sick days, and nearly a week of personal days.Oda takes an average of 4~6 weeks off, including sick times. When he has to work on a movie, which happened twice in the last several years, it was 8 weeks.
That is more than most WSJ manga artist, but not significantly more than an average worker.
Not to mention the latter doesn't fucking count, because he wasn't actually OFF WORK.You said it man!
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Ahh, and this is why I keep coming back here~
Names Shuhan, resident Brony and apparent troll that shows up whenever a break comes around. Nice to meet you~
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Oda takes an average of 4~6 weeks off, including sick times. When he has to work on a movie, which happened twice in the last several years, it was 8 weeks.
That is more than most WSJ manga artist, but not significantly more than an average worker.But does the average worker do as many hours a day as Oda does? I think his work schedule is pretty fucked up.
With the kind of success he has had, he should take a month long break every year. If it helps his health and family life, that would be a pretty sensible thing to do.
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Someone more knowledgeable will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure, but as far as the 'why not use the reserves!' discussion goes, the answer is because there is no such thing.
Bear in mind that I don't really have any knowledge of these things first hand, but this is what I recall from the last time there was a break and this exact same issue came up. As I said, if I mis-remember anything, I'm sure Blue or someone else can correct me. At any rate, as best I recall, yes, Oda completes a chapter roughly two weeks before it is released, but he is not 'ahead' of anything. It simply takes that long to go from completed chapter to being in print.
It's not as though WSJ simply grabs the latest chapters and gets tossed together the night before going into circulation. The very fact that we spoilers – the very fact that we get the chapter itself, before it is ever released in Japan -- is enough to show that, if common sense isn't. Getting an issue of a magazine to the point of distribution is an involved process.
Anyway, in short, Oda finishing a chapter two weeks before it is officially released does not mean there is a two week backlog of chapters. It is a completely false equivalency, and so asking why the backlog is never used in situations like these is a trick question.
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Man I just hope he recovers well from this.
2 weeks without One Piece is going to be an ordeal during Dressrosa, but I'd rather have him take off a month or two to fully recover his health than have him die off a heart attack, or drop One Piece due to burn-out or something terrible like this. Let's be realistic, Oda has two little girls and more than enough money, the fact that he's still spending his life as slave to his manga is really only due to his love for One Piece (Japanese mentality might also play into it, though). We should be thankful for every single chapter we're getting and stop bitching. People that are comparing him to Togashi should go fuck themselves, seriously… I swear, most of those ingrates probably read his stuff for free on the internet and don't own single One Piece volume. Fucking assholes.
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The magazines are printed approximately 1 week ahead of release.
The time it takes to collect, sort, and check the submissions for errors (especially text), taking them to print house, printing, finishing, all takes minimum of a week.Due to these timelines, the deadlines are approximated at least 3 weeks ahead.
Some artists, such as Akimoto, does "stock chapters", but vast majority of the manga artists are on week to week basis.What you're READING is over two weeks old, that does not mean they have two more chapters ready. Does that make sense?
Sure they could use those two chapters. It doesn't fucking matter, because all that means is you STILL will have two weeks of break after them.
EDIT: So yeah, pretty much what panda said.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but are you not one of the posters who come out of the cave and complain every single time there's a break?
It's always the same set of posters. I believe I've seen them bitch about Oda's work over and over and over, it's getting really old and predictable.Also, the bolded part is not true.
I have two full weeks of vacation time a year, as well as two weeks of sick days, and nearly a week of personal days.Oda takes an average of 4~6 weeks off, including sick times. When he has to work on a movie, which happened twice in the last several years, it was 8 weeks.
That is more than most WSJ manga artist, but not significantly more than an average worker.
Not to mention the latter doesn't fucking count, because he wasn't actually OFF WORK.You are wrong. I am not one of those. I did however defended them on multiple occasions in a sense that people don't need to bash at them right back because there is some kind of "logic" behind their complaints.
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Have a good recovery Oda! Rest well.
Well.. For mad people.. I advice you to chill and find yourself a girlfriend or something. Let the man have some rest.
I, myself gonna miss One Piece but i have no choice but wait..
Cheers up :happy:
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Oda needs to take several months off to write the details of One Piece story until its very end. Then at least we can be a little bit at ease. :cruel:
Get well soon, Oda! And quit sucking that tobacco sticks!
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You are wrong. I am not one of those. I did however defended them on multiple occasions in a sense that people don't need to bash at them right back because there is some kind of "logic" behind their complaints.
Anyone that bitch and whine about not being able to read their little comic books because the artist is sick can fucking burn in hell, and deserved to be bashed.
Because you know, that's as pathetic as you can possibly get.
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Also, the bolded part is not true.
I have two full weeks of vacation time a year, as well as two weeks of sick days, and nearly a week of personal days.To this I will reply like this
1. yes a lot of people have about 2 weeks of vacation time or more (depending on their status - kids, age and so on) However.
a) I for instance have only 1 DAY a year I can use for vacation WHENEVER I want, the rest needs to be talked over with the employer. You cannot just leave whenever you want, you need to look at the company and when there is less work and other people take vacations as well and so on. For majority of people it is like thatb) Oda can take a leave whenever he wishes and if you count up the times he does in a year this comes to a lot of days off "duty"
But like I said. People like Oda are working even when they take their time off. But that is beyond the point I was trying to make. Which is, that you can understand why it annoys people
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b) Oda can take a leave whenever he wishes and if you count up the times he does in a year this comes to a lot of days off "duty"
What the fuck? And you know this how? Quote a source goddamnit.
Every mangaka talks over with the editorial when they want to take a vacation or a break.
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The last time Oda was ill was especially great because there was this one guy who said that it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to write a chapter and the rest could be done by the assistants. That was hysterical.
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Anyone that bitch and whine about not being able to read their little comic books because the artist is sick can fucking burn in hell, and deserved to be bashed.
Because you know, that's as pathetic as you can possibly get.
I agree with that Aohige, so with you on this one. But there are also some people who just express their disappointment of a break and perhaps mention that he does take a lot of them and so on. (but once again. Illness and alike are a whole different story… I hope no one here actually begrudges someone for something like falling ill)
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The last time Oda was ill was especially great because there was this one guy who said that it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to write a chapter and the rest could be done by the assistants. That was hysterical.
I remember that. Wasn't that Formation Y / samurai flex, the same guy who said Zoro was weak and made a thread about how he would die in Wano?
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What the fuck? And you know this how? Quote a source goddamnit.
Every mangaka talks over with the editorial when they want to take a vacation or a break.
Yes of course he does. But you know as well as I do (by common sense with 95%+ accuracy) that it probably goes like this.
ODA: I would like to take a break and do some research on some stuff I will use in the next chapters
Editor: SureDo you think the Editor actually said NO to him in any of the previous cases?
Thus - yes he has to consult but he is pretty much free to take his leave when he wishes so. Once again it is the "luxury" he can afford for being a really good mangaka.
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I remember that. Wasn't that Formation Y / samurai flex, the same guy who said Zoro was weak and made a thread about how he would die in Wano?
He was hilarious too.Well, his official title is SAMURAI DIAPER (all caps for impact?), but yeah those are some nick names he went by for a short time.
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Yes of course he does. But you know as well as I do (by common sense with 95%+ accuracy) that it probably goes like this.
ODA: I would like to take a break and do some research on some stuff I will use in the next chapters
Editor: SureDo you think the Editor actually said NO to him in any of the previous cases?
Thus - yes he has to consult but he is pretty much free to take his leave when he wishes so. Once again it is the "luxury" he can afford for being a really good mangaka.
In other words, your own ass is the source?
Yes, Oda's request would be considered and probably pass, but he CANNOT just drop out.
What part of what we have been explaining do you not get.. publishing has a publishing fucking schedule.
Unless of emergency such as this, mangaka do have to request ahead of time, they can't just fuck with magazine print schedule and pages FFS.I can take a vacation anytime I want as long as I consult my boss (plenty) ahead of time.
Mangaka has to give ample notice for the magazine schedule to flow smoothly.blue… if you have a source for your stuff, quote it. If it's completely out of your ass, please, don't present it as factual info.
You wanna talk common sense, TALK it.
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Battle of the Blues. Only one will come out on top.
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I remember that. Wasn't that Formation Y / samurai flex, the same guy who said Zoro was weak and made a thread about how he would die in Wano?
He was hilarious too.No, I think he's called saturnchild or something. The Wano fanatic was also brilliant.
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Battle of the Blues. Only one will come out on top.
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@The:
Yeah. Oda smokes too much, and it seems to be catching up to him.
I mean… He has a pretty bad throat condition right now. Pus pockets in his throat, 100-103 fever, hacking cough and terribly soreness etc. Oda... You need to stop smoking so much, not only for the sake of your fans, but, your family too.
It's got nothing to do with smoking though, does it … ?
Though he should definitely stop smoking . . .
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In other words, your own ass is the source?
Yes, Oda's request would be considered and probably pass, but he CANNOT just drop out.
What part of what we have been explaining do you not get.. publishing has a publishing fucking schedule.
Unless of emergency such as this, mangaka do have to request ahead of time, they can't just fuck with magazine print schedule and pages FFS.I can take a vacation anytime I want as long as I consult my boss (plenty) ahead of time.
Mangaka has to give ample notice for the magazine schedule to flow smoothly.blue… if you have a source for your stuff, quote it. If it's completely out of your ass, please, don't present it as factual info.
You wanna talk common sense, TALK it.
Could some just-published mangaka get a week off just because they give advance notice? This is what you are implying.
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It's got nothing to do with smoking though, does it … ?
Though he should definitely stop smoking . . .
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Could some just-published mangaka get a week off just because they give advance notice? This is what you are implying.
They'd have to have a good reason for it if they hardly put any work on the print.
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They'd have to have a good reason for it if they hardly put any work on the print.
Can you get a vacation a week into your new job? I didn't think so.This is exactly the sense of what t'other blue was saying but you disagreed, vehemently.
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This is exactly the sense of what t'other blue was saying but you disagreed, vehemently.
So are you going to provide me this source of info that Oda takes a break whenever the hell he wants?
Or are you guys going to keep jabbering about without any proof.
Because what it sounds like you're talking about is him getting more breaks, which is not the same thing.
If you have a proof that Oda breaks are not editorial scheduled, show me.
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So are you going to provide me this source of info that Oda takes a break whenever the hell he wants?
Or are you guys going to keep jabbering about without any proof.
Because what it sounds like you're talking about is him getting more breaks, which is not the same thing.
If you have a proof that Oda breaks are not editorial scheduled, show me.
Do you mean that you suspect that the breaks are ordained by the editorial department, or that Oda requests them and they are put in where the editorial department is happy with them? because those are different, and it's not clear which you mean.
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Do you mean that you suspect that the breaks are ordained by the editorial department, or that Oda requests them and they are put in where the editorial department is happy with them? because those are different, and it's not clear which you mean.
The point is, we don't know.
It may be on Oda's request, it may be an editorial decision based on his health, or co-decision based on his non-manga related works they bring him.The fact is, you don't make a criticism quoted like a fucking FACT when you have no way of knowing.
How hard is that for you people to grasp?
I'm saying "stop saying shit like fact when it's completely out of your ass".Christ, does that REALLY need an explanation???
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The point is, we don't know.
It may be on Oda's request, it may be an editorial decision based on his health, or co-decision based on his non-manga related works they bring him.The fact is, you don't make a criticism quoted like a fucking FACT when you have no way of knowing.
How hard is that for you people to grasp?
I'm saying "stop saying shit like fact when it's completely out of your ass".Christ, does that REALLY need an explanation???
Nobody is saying we actually know how it goes for sure. We're making (reasonable) speculation. I've always felt that One Piece's breaks in particular seem quite well-timed in relation to cliffhangers and whatever, which suggests to me that either those are shaped by vaguely when such breaks are going to happen or the opposite. The latter has always seemed more probable to me.
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Battle of the Blues. Only one will come out on top.
There is only one Blue One
StarGateWars knows which one is that.
And there is only one Aohige ;)
Also Aohige, relax. No need to go searching off for some proof of something which is "normal".
Other mangaka take hiatsu are off for several months so surely Oda can take 1 week off if he wants to. And naturally because he is not a total asshole he will say it in advance.
But I would bet that if he just went off and leave without telling someone in advance, they would still keep him in Shonan's jump. Because the guy is just too big and his manga too popular.
Perhaps there is a clause what happens if he doesn't meet his deadlines or behaves like that (fines or whatever) but like I said the guy is just too important.Please don't tell me to go look for a proof about that Aohige-san ;)
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So in other words, you're just gonna bullshit more?
You're going to assume and believe your assumpation is fact, and bash Oda with this "fact".
That's dumb as all hell.
Nobody is saying we actually know how it goes for sure. We're making (reasonable) speculation.
LOL. No.
It looks like he's convinced as hell to me. (look above)Let's look at his post in question.
b) Oda can take a leave whenever he wishes and if you count up the times he does in a year this comes to a lot of days off "duty"
He's stating this as a fact.
This is not a fact.
He cannot provide a source.
= This is, completely and entirely, out of his ass.
It's very simple kids.
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One Piece should be boycotted until Oda quits smoking.
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You can laugh at people, yell at them, bash them to crap, you can even criticise the one piece manga.
But when ODA'S BREAKS come into the discussion shit goes DOWN, brotha.
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it wasn't stated, I just calculated the time it took the King to charge his punch, which is an hour plus the time at the start of the fight and at the end of the fight
except i think he started warming up before the block even started… but who knows
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Yay…..2 whole weeks of arguing whether or not Oda's "entitled" to breaks.....
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This disease related to tonsils, is it due to excessive smoking?
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Yay…..2 whole weeks of arguing whether or not Oda's "entitled" to breaks.....
It's not even that. That's entirely up to opinion.
This guy is arguing about something he has no way of knowing, somehow convinced that he knows the truth.
That's not an opinion. That's stupidity.
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So in other words, you're just gonna bullshit more?
You're going to assume and believe your assumpation is fact, and bash Oda with this "fact".
That's dumb as all hell.
LOL. No.
It looks like he's convinced as hell to me. (look above)Let's look at his post in question.
He's stating this as a fact.
This is not a fact.
He cannot provide a source.
= This is, completely and entirely, out of his ass.
It's very simple kids.
First of all, he's not bashing Oda, which is clearly evident. Actually, more clearly evident than that he is presenting his opinion as fact.
Secondly, presenting your opinion as fact is a manner of communicating/arguing, it doesn't mean you necessarily believe you know it beyond doubt or expect others to do the same. (<– that was my opinion, but I didn't write it as such. I'm not going to provide proof that that is all true . . . )
Also, observe the language of the later post:
Also Aohige, relax. No need to go searching off for some proof of something which is "normal".
Other mangaka take hiatsu are off for several months so surely Oda can take 1 week off if he wants to. And naturally because he is not a total asshole he will say it in advance.
But I would bet that if he just went off and leave without telling someone in advance, they would still keep him in Shonan's jump. Because the guy is just too big and his manga too popular.
Perhaps there is a clause what happens if he doesn't meet his deadlines or behaves like that (fines or whatever) but like I said the guy is just too important.Please don't tell me to go look for a proof about that Aohige-san ;)
There are plenty of qualifiers in there which suggest that these are assumptions and that the writer knows he cannot be sure of them. Also, in some other post he said we can be 95% sure blah blah or w/e
Eating opinions with an aggressive assault of dozens of unnecessary question marks, angry capitalisation and raging (and multifarious) curses won't make them change.
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This disease related to tonsils, is it due to excessive smoking?
I don't know anything about it but what I read on wikipedia, but no. It's caused directly or indirectly by an infection … if you can relate that to contaminated cigarettes, I suppose. But I don't think so.
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First of all, he's not bashing Oda, which is clearly evident. Actually, more clearly evident than that he is presenting his opinion as fact.
Secondly, presenting your opinion as fact is a manner of communicating/arguing, it doesn't mean you necessarily believe you know it beyond doubt or expect others to do the same. (<– that was my opinion, but I didn't write it as such. I'm not going to provide proof that that is all true . . . )
No.
Presenting your opinion as a fact is one of the worst terrible argument you can possibly make.
Also, observe the language of the later post:
Backtracking is also one of the worst things you can do to save face.
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This disease related to tonsils, is it due to excessive smoking?
Not a disease. It's an infection.
"Peritonsillar abscess (PTA), also known as a quinsy or quinsey, is a recognized complication of tonsillitis and consists of a collection of pus beside the tonsil in what is referred to as Peritonsilar space (Peri - meaning surrounding)."! [h=2]Causes[/h] PTA usually arises as a complication of an untreated or partially treated episode of acute tonsillitis. The infection, in these cases, spreads to the peritonsillar area (peritonsillitis). This region comprises loose connective tissue and is hence susceptible to formation of abscess. PTA can also occur de novo. Both aerobic and anaerobic bacteria can be causative. Commonly involved species include streptococci, staphylococci and hemophilus.
[h=2]Treatment[/h] Treatment is surgical incision and drainage of the pus, thereby relieving the pain of the pressed tissues. Antibiotics are also given to treat the infection. Internationally, the infection is frequently penicillin resistant, so it is now common to treat with clindamycin.[1] Treatment can also be given while a patient is under anesthesia, but this is usually reserved for children or anxious patients. -
No.
Presenting your opinion as a fact is one of the worst terrible argument you can possibly make.
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That's an opinion?
It's not necessarily good style, but whether or not it makes a good argument depends on what argument you give.
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oh god make it stop! SOGEKING! HEEEEELP !
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Not a disease. It's an infection.
"Peritonsillar abscess (PTA), also known as a quinsy or quinsey, is a recognized complication of tonsillitis and consists of a collection of pus beside the tonsil in what is referred to as Peritonsilar space (Peri - meaning surrounding)."! Causes
! PTA usually arises as a complication of an untreated or partially treated episode of acute tonsillitis. The infection, in these cases, spreads to the peritonsillar area (peritonsillitis). This region comprises loose connective tissue and is hence susceptible to formation of abscess. PTA can also occur de novo. Both aerobic and anaerobic bacteria can be causative. Commonly involved species include streptococci, staphylococci and hemophilus.
Treatment
! Treatment is surgical incision and drainage of the pus, thereby relieving the pain of the pressed tissues. Antibiotics are also given to treat the infection. Internationally, the infection is frequently penicillin resistant, so it is now common to treat with clindamycin.[1] Treatment can also be given while a patient is under anesthesia, but this is usually reserved for children or anxious patients.Infections and diseases are not mutually exclusive. This is an infectious disease.
That or I don't know what a disease is . . .
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More on this thrilling semantical bullshit to come
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That's an opinion?
It's not necessarily good style, but whether or not it makes a good argument depends on what argument you give.
Holy jesus halleluja NO.
Accusing an action of another person, without any facts to back it, simply based on your own opinion, is utterly indefensibly terrible argument.
@wolfwoof:
More on this thrilling semantical bullshit to come
It's seriously driving me fucking insane.
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Holy jesus halleluja NO.
Accusing an action of another person, without any facts to back it, simply based on your own opinion, is utterly indefensibly terrible argument.
That's not the same as presenting an opinion as a fact.
Moreover it's also not what was done here; there was no accusation, merely a statement (of an opinion as fact).
It's seriously driving me fucking insane.
Isn't this like…. really simple? I feel like being buried in mass of horse dung.Horse dung is one of the nicest smelling dungs.
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[h=3]"Preventive measures[/h][h=1]Tobacco:[/h]
- Patients should be advised to give up smoking"
Oda Please stop smoking.
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I feel like being buried in mass of horse dung.
Sorry about that, I get startled easy…especially around idiots...
But seriously Aohige, this isn't worth popping a blood vessel, let them be ignorant...otherwise you'll end up in a hospital bed yourself.