i liked it although the ending wasn't as depressing as i expected it to be. I did like the opening though
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You can smile again. :')
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They actually don't have the classic "You can smile again" in this opening. The second verse has "You just try again."
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Interesting that the opening excludes Komugi and the spiders. I figured they'd get a quick scene. I would have preferred scenes of them over the generic shot of Gon and Killua running or them playing with bugs.
maybe we'll have two openings for this arc. It is rather long. Though I think the spiders section of this arc is more during the first half of the arc rather than the second half if you were to cut into two sections
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It is not going to take long before that image of Kaito yelling in the first shot of the ending is going to become painful to look at. That's from that scene.
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I actually didn't like the fact that Chimera ants were there, Gin specifically said that they came from the dark continent, and the queen's form was supposed to be the original since we saw her first.
So yeah Madhouse will probably discard the Dark Continent and the chapter full of silent panels will be the last one.
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God, I'm soo ready for new a new story arc, Hopefully Madhouse won't let us down!
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I'm pretty sure Kite did say that they are level 1 threat quarantine which could indicate that those ants are an invasive species which would indicate that they don't belong in that part of the world.
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I actually didn't like the fact that Chimera ants were there, Gin specifically said that they came from the dark continent, and the queen's form was supposed to be the original since we saw her first.
So yeah Madhouse will probably discard the Dark Continent and the chapter full of silent panels will be the last one.
Actually no.
Ging says that the Ants that we know (giants one) are from the outside world.
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Actually no.
Ging says that the Ants that we know (giants one) are from the outside world.
But the normal size ones are definitely part of Hunter x Hunter regular world. (cf chapter 187)damn forgot about that… well scratch what I said earlier lol
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I found the ending to be alright. Considering what will be happening onscreen, such contrast ending may be a nice choice. Of course a man can dream that they will change it later, but right now it's okay. But I count on them updating opening visuals as arc progresses. Right now they are not as dynamic as I want them.
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Solid episode and it was cool seeing the ants in colour during the opening. I reckon that the opening animation will change halfway through the arc though because there was no Komugi in it. The ending theme was okay I guess but definitely my least favourite of the endings themes we've had so far
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Is Kite Shanks's voice actor?
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Yes, he is, indeed . his name is Shuichi Ikeda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%ABichi_Ikeda#Television_animation
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Kite is a Char.
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So what's the spoiler policy here now? We're going to have quite a few participants in this thread who aren't current with the manga, I'm guessing.
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I don't really think there's a lot of people here who have only seen the anime, so I'm not really sure we should worry about it too much unless someone specifically mentions it.
Just my opinion though.
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I think everyone in the thread has read the manga, so it'll probably be okay to talk freely about it for the most part.
Use tags if anything major happens or you're writing at length tho.
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Shit will start getting intense next episode.
Nothing quite like eating! children to upturn my happy go lucky mango.
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I always take it as different mentalities between countries that were forged by completely unrelated civilisations (technically they are but you get my point). What seems unacceptable to the occident is pretty normal to the orient and vice-versa.
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I always take it as different mentalities between countries that were forged by completely unrelated civilisations (technically they are but you get my point). What seems unacceptable to the occident is pretty normal to the orient and vice-versa.
I think we established that, even for a Shonen manga, and even with Japan's relatively lax censorship, Togashi went a little too far with this arc.
And regardless of culture, we're all human, and I think most of us have agreed there are certain things we don't want to show to kids (exactly what is another question).
N-No, this isn't the beginning of another argument, no…please...spare my life.
You brought it on yourself. No mercy, bitch.
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I always take it as different mentalities between countries that were forged by completely unrelated civilisations (technically they are but you get my point). What seems unacceptable to the occident is pretty normal to the orient and vice-versa.
Togashi seems to have earned free reign at this point. Toriko got nerfed and their time slot was similar iirc. It'd be vaguely like showing Hannibal (tv series) during the Liberty Kids block on pbs. It's a weird mix.
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Togashi seems to have earned free reign at this point. Toriko got nerfed and their time slot was similar iirc. It'd be vaguely like showing Hannibal (tv series) during the Liberty Kids block on pbs. It's a weird mix.
You know, I was just thinking how Silence of the Lambs is less disturbing than the Chimera Ant arc (IMO).
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You know, I was just thinking how Silence of the Lambs is less disturbing than the Chimera Ant arc (IMO).
I love how LifeTime shows Silence of the Lambs more than any other station. Cause nothing is more appropriate for that channel than a serial killer that's making a woman suit from the skin of kidnapped larger ladies lmao.
But I have to disagree. I think SOTL is more disturbing the CA arc. These aren't really "humans" eating and killing to spread. This is just an over powered infestation.
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I love how LifeTime shows Silence of the Lambs more than any other station. Cause nothing is more appropriate for that channel than a serial killer that's making a woman suit from the skin of kidnapped larger ladies lmao.
Lifetime is ass anyway.
But I have to disagree. I think SOTL is more disturbing the CA arc.
I can't stand child deaths for the most part (to the best of my memory, there aren't any in SOTL). And the idea of thousands of humans being fed on by another race so matter-of-factly just creeps me the hell out.
These aren't really "humans" eating and killing to spread.
Come again?
This is just an over powered infestation.
That again, kills tens of thousands of humans (including children!)
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Lifetime is ass anyway.
Agreed.
I can't stand child deaths for the most part (to the best of my memory, there aren't any in SOTL). And the idea of thousands of humans being fed on by another race so matter-of-factly just creeps me the hell out.
True it's creepy. But for some reason a species doing what it does naturally as opposed to a clear pychological issue bothers me much less. Regardless of what's being eaten.
Come again?
Just saying that if they were actually full on humans, not humanoids or half human bug monsters I'd be more distrubed. But they are just animals with a rapid evolution.
That again, kills tens of thousands of humans (including children!)
Well not like animals avoid children in real life. So again, it doesn't bother me that much. It's jacked up to see, but I wouldn't expect a tiger to pass up a slow chubby kid that had spilled honey on their knees…:ninja:
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I appreciate the serious and fearful atmosphere of the arc, especially because the chimare ants don't fuck around, but this is unnecessary:
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True it's creepy. But for some reason a species doing what it does naturally as opposed to a clear pychological issue bothers me much less. Regardless of what's being eaten.
I guess the problem I have with the Chimera Ants is that they're sentient. Like, they can think and later even speak like humans, and even make an organizational effort, but they still treat humans like cattle. It just scares me how dehumanizing and helpless the situation is.
Also, we really didn't need to see two kids getting eaten.
With Hannibal Lecter, however intelligent and destructive he may have been, he can only do so much and at the end of the day he's still just a nut who we know belongs in an asylum.
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I guess the problem I have with the Chimera Ants is that they're sentient. Like, they can think and later even speak like humans, and even make an organizational effort, but they still treat humans like cattle. It just scares me how dehumanizing and helpless the situation is.
Also, we really didn't need to see two kids getting eaten.
With Hannibal Lecter, however intelligent and destructive he may have been, he can only do so much and at the end of the day he's still just a nut who we know belongs in an asylum.
I still don't really see an issue with their being sentient. I figured that was the point that it was supposed to be horrifying, because humans are being treated like lifestock or labrats. I think if their evolution was slower than we would see maybe some Vegan Chimera Ants, but it was so rapid that they didn't really have too much time to dwell on their newer thought processes like the King was able to later.
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Speaking of the kids dying, I sometimes tear up when that murdered girl who lives on as a drone ant returns to her mom and her mom knows who she is regardless of how she looks and welcomes her back.
That whole couple chapters wrapping up loose ends of CA is so good. Togashi is such a mysterious eccentric
I think it's kind of neat how Jump has two geniuses that are opposite on so many levels. You have Oda who is like this total team player with Jump. He gives OP everything he has every week, he's been doing that since 97. He probably lights up that office with his energy. His series has such an incredibly rich world (I died when that one guy mentioned to Luffy that he visited Skypiea lately in that recent OP chapter, just a cool reference that shows how connected the world of OP is), gorgeous art, consistent story telling.
Then on the other end of the spectrum you have that lone wolf Togashi who just approaches his work how he wants to approach it. Outside of hiccups in art, the story telling is arguably right up there (perhaps the best at times?) with the best Jump has to offer.
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I figured that was the point that it was supposed to be horrifying, because humans are being treated like lifestock or labrats.
Yeah, that's my point. It was horrifying. Moreso than an R-rated film about a psychotic cannibal, IMO.
I think if their evolution was slower than we would see maybe some Vegan Chimera Ants, but it was so rapid that they didn't really have too much time to dwell on their newer thought processes like the King was able to later.
Doesn't change the fact that what they did in between was horrifying.
And now that we've come full circle, I must again ask the question: Was this really something that needed to be in a children's comic?
Speaking of the kids dying, I sometimes tear up when the that murdered girl who lives on as a drone ant returns to her mom and her mom knows who she is regardless of how she looks and welcomes her back.
Indeed. At the very least we got that silver lining.
Of course, it didn't work out so well for that kid Meryem killed.
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I guess the problem I have with the Chimera Ants is that they're sentient. Like, they can think and later even speak like humans, and even make an organizational effort, but they still treat humans like cattle.
You do realize that fact that the species is stuck between the instincts of nature and humanity was the entire point, right?
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And now that we've come full circle, I must again ask the question: Was this really something that needed to be in a children's comic?
I dunno. Are younger kids even the ones that keep up with Hunter x Hunter? I would have figured after certain points they would have been turned off from it. It's definitely more wordy than I've seen with some other series. Also during the exam I would think that maybe it'd be clear that it wasn't mild. I feel that it probably has an older fan base than other series in Shonen Jump.
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You do realize that fact that the species is stuck between the instincts of nature and humanity was the entire point, right?
You realize me training to decipher and explain why I found the Chimera Ant arc disturbing is the entire point, right? This is how I feel and no amount of rationalization is going to change that.
But to answer your question, yes, I am aware. But their actions during their "instinctual phase" (if you wanna call it that) still bother me.
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I dunno. Are younger kids even the ones that keep up with Hunter x Hunter?
I don't know. Are they the one's being targeted by Shonen Jump? Yes.
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You realize me training to decipher and explain why I found the Chimera Ant arc disturbing is the entire point, right? This is how I feel and no amount of rationalization is going to change that.
But to answer your question, yes, I am aware. But their actions during their "instinctual phase" (if you wanna call it that) still bother me.
I just find it funny that out of all the things in HxH that include but certainly aren't limited to cannibalism, ludicrous amounts of brutal murder long before the ants ever showed up, nuclear war, genocide, drug running, Super North Korea, torture, and lest we forget an entire nation (which also is thought to be the most populated nation in the HxH world) composed entirely of people "thrown away" and left to die in a giant trash heap somehow you draw the line at some kids getting murdered in what's far from being the most graphic means these series has ever shown.
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I don't know. Are they the one's being targeted by Shonen Jump? Yes.
Death Note .
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I don't know. Are they the one's being targeted by Shonen Jump? Yes.
Weren't JoJo and FoTNS once in Shonen Jump too? Maybe the wanted HxH to be the gateway to their more adult stuff? lol.
Oh and I'm not saying you're dead wrong for your thoughts or anything. It's graphic probably above the age that usually's aimed at kids over there. I figure that a kid would skip over HxH if they were really not liking it. Plus the art I don't personally feel would draw a lot of kids.
I'm fairly desenitized to a lot of violent stuff in fiction. And I like discussing such things like we were doing.:happy:
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I just find it funny that out of all the things in HxH that include but certainly aren't limited to cannibalism, ludicrous amounts of brutal murder long before the ants ever showed up
To be honest, I've never been a huge fan of the violence, but at least it wasn't happening to kids (or at least not shown). And a lot of it you could pass off as Rambo fanservice-y violence.
nuclear war, genocide…..and lest we forget an entire nation (which also is thought to be the most populated nation in the HxH world) composed entirely of people "thrown away" and left to die in a giant trash heap
One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. And for the most part, that stuff hasn't even been shown anyway.
I know that sounds cold, but that's just how the human mind operates (or at least mine).
drug running
Oh yeah, because that's so much worse than dead kids.
somehow you draw the line at some kids getting murdered in what's far from being the most graphic means these series has ever shown.
Yes, because Togashi took the time to introduce us to these kids, make us like and sympathize with them, and then he brutally and unceremoniously took their lives away in an instant.
I mean, do we even know how these kids died? I hope they were at least mercifully killed quick before being fed on, but they could very well have been alive and breathing as the Ant Queen dug her teeth into their flesh and eviscerated their insides. And of course, one sibling would have to watch this happening to the other before being fed on him/herself.
Death Note .
No kid deaths. And even then the deaths were pretty non-violent and offscreen for the most part. Death Note really isn't as dark as people make it out to be.
@Cyclone: JoJo was moved to a Seinen magazine (which is what they should do to HxH). Fist of the North Star…well, that was the 80's where everything was more violent.
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@Cyclone: JoJo was moved to a Seinen magazine (which is what they should do to HxH). Fist of the North Star…well, that was the 80's where everything was more violent.
Yeah, that was my point. Once in Shonen, but somehow Togashi gets to stay. I still say it's meant as a gateway lol. Honestly at this point there could be entire generations that will completely miss HxH because he goes on really long hiatus. So he can really only corrupt every other generation…
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Yeah, that was my point. Once in Shonen, but somehow Togashi gets to stay. I still say it's meant as a gateway lol.
Fuck their gateway.
Honestly at this point there could be entire generations that will completely miss HxH because he goes on really long hiatus. So he can really only corrupt every other generation…
I just hope he doesn't corrupt them with laziness.
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Fuck their gateway.
I just hope he doesn't corrupt them with laziness.
Lmao…has you avatar title always said Helen Lovejoy? If not, so fitting right now lol. "Won't somebody think of the children!?"
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You know, I have my own issues with Togashi's writing, but child death is certainly not a main.
The early Chimera Ant cruelties that Togashi has chosen to show don't really strike as something completely needless and easy to omit. He wanted to make an emphasis on how a species to come to stand on its own legs, especially in such enviroment and circumstances, and he made one. There is a theory that neanderthals might have been victims of genicide led by early homo sapiens. The situation Togashi tried to model wasn't far off from that hypothesis.
Also, although children are the target audience of Shonen Jack, in the last five years Hunter x Hunter hasn't done well in the polls at all, and most of the postcards with votes sent to the magazine are sent by the youngest part of the audience. So by any means, it is most popular with an older audience that prefers to buy volumes.
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I think you've misconstrued my post on two different accounts. One being me pointing out that despite the HxH world by intention being a horrible place to live in you somehow only take offense when it involves "to kids". Don't you find that a completely odd and really out of place point to harp on amidst everything else?
And secondly you missed why I brought up Death Note. It's not the violent content I was remarking on per se but it's overall tone and how even in relatively modern Weekly Jump you can aim your target audience being other than simply kids. Also considering how low the polls rank HxH but how high the volume sales whenever a new one is released certainly makes it appear like there's a set audience that isn't primarily comprised of kids doesn't it?
Cyclone Baroness also made a good point of bringing up JoJo considering Steel Ball Run, which originated like 5 or 6 years after HxH's conception, was running in Weekly Jump for awhile (about 5 volumes worth of chapters) before being moved to Ultra Jump. So calling something shonen or seinen only based upon what magazine it's being printed in is pretty arbitrary don't you think?
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I think you've misconstrued my post on two different accounts. One being me pointing out that despite the HxH world by intention being a horrible place to live in you somehow only take offense when it involves "to kids". Don't you find that a completely odd and really out of place point to harp on amidst everything else?
And secondly you missed why I brought up Death Note. It's not the violent content I was remarking on per se but it's overall tone and how even in relatively modern Weekly Jump you can aim your target audience being other than simply kids.
Cyclone Baroness also made a good point of bringing up JoJo considering Steel Ball Run, which originated like 5 or 6 years after HxH's conception, was running in Weekly Jump for awhile (about 5 volumes worth of chapters) before being moved to Ultra Jump. So calling something shonen or seinen only based upon what magazine it's being printed in is pretty arbitrary don't you think?
More like the terms shonen and seinen were fairly arbitrary in the first place
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Lmao…has you avatar title always said Helen Lovejoy? If not, so fitting right now lol. "Won't somebody think of the children!?"
I change it a few weeks ago. Figured it was appropriate since I've been going on these age appropriate crusades recently.
You know, I have my own issues with Togashi's writing, but child death is certainly not a main.
The early Chimera Ant cruelties that Togashi has chosen to show don't really strike as something completely needless and easy to omit. He wanted to make an emphasis on how a species to come to stand on its own legs, especially in such enviroment and circumstances, and he made one. There is a theory that neanderthals might have been victims of genicide led by early homo sapiens. The situation Togashi tried to model wasn't far off from that hypothesis.
'The fuck does that have to do with child death?
Let me just clarify I don't have too much a problem with the Chimera Ant concept (though still, pretty dark), but rather how it was shown.
Also, although children are the target audience of Shonen Jack, in the last five years Hunter x Hunter hasn't done well in the polls at all
Insert hiatus joke here.
and most of the postcards with votes sent to the magazine are sent by the youngest part of the audience. So by any means, it is most popular with an older audience that prefers to buy volumes.
Gee, it's almost like it should be in a seinen magazine or something.
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I think you've misconstrued my post on two different accounts. One being me pointing out that despite the HxH world by intention being a horrible place to live in you somehow only take offense when it involves "to kids". Don't you find that a completely odd and really out of place point to harp on amidst everything else?
It's all in how it's depicted. One Piece also inahabits a shitty world, but it's not nearly as disturbing or depressing at the HxH world.
Or here's another example: Star Wars. Despite its fame as being a light-hearted sci-fi adventure movie, it has one of the highest death tolls in cinematic history (when Alderaan blew up). I mean, that's literally billions of lives; men, women, and children, wiped out in an instant. But you don't really think about it much, do you? And you don't really feel too bad outside of a general sense of moral disapproval. Because we don't know anyone on Alderaan and we don't really care about the people on Alderaan (we don't even see them). Not that there's anything wrong with them. We can assume most of them are good decent people, but we just don't have any attachment to them. That scene is less about the tragedy of Alderaan and more about the evil of the Empire.
But then take that scene where Anakin kills those kids and….....well, actually that didn't get much of a response out of me either. But the prequels suck, so...
But if there were a kid in Star Wars whom the audience had grown attached to and then was callously murdered, then all of a sudden the movie would get pretty dark and kind of ruin the light-hearted sci-fi adventure tone. Even if, again, it's only one death compared to billions.
Anyway, I've given you reasons why those other disturbing events in Hunter x Hunter didn't bother me as much as seeing two kids get devoured. If that's not enough for you, oh well.
And secondly you missed why I brought up Death Note. It's not the violent content I was remarking on per se but it's overall tone and how even in relatively modern Weekly Jump you can aim your target audience being other than simply kids. Also considering how low the polls rank HxH but how high the volume sales whenever a new one is released certainly makes it appear like there's a set audience that isn't primarily comprised of kids doesn't it?
Then perhaps Shueisha should reassess their target audiences. My Little Pony and Adventure Time have garnered large adult followings, but they still stayed true to their underage audience and didn't insert adult material to cater to older audiences.
Cyclone Baroness also made a good point of bringing up JoJo considering Steel Ball Run, which originated like 5 or 6 years after HxH's conception, was running in Weekly Jump for awhile (about 5 volumes worth of chapters) before being moved to Ultra Jump. So calling something shonen or seinen only based upon what magazine it's being printed in is pretty arbitrary don't you think?
But…..it's CALLED Shonen Jump!
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How can one consider determining the label of "shonen" or "seinen" for a particular comic when it is CLEARLY in a magazine titled "SHONEN JUMP"? That baffles my mind…HxH may have elements found in seinen, but it is still going to fall under shonen simply due to its intended demographics within a magazine titled "Shonen Jump". Albiet, shonen is a broad demographic and could extend to 14+ year old readers.
The same goes for Death Note...even though it FEELS more like a seinin sort of narrative.
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More like the terms shonen and seinen were fairly arbitrary in the first place
Shonen - Pre-teen and teen boys
Seinen - Late teens and young adult menSeems pretty straightforward to me
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I read a few chapters of the series and despite enjoying it stopped reading. Today I just went back on my VIZ app and checked out the Kurapika backstory chapters and was really interested. What did you guys think of it, since you're more familiar with the character than I am? I hate the inconsistency in the art though but I assume that's just something that's happened only i recent years of the manga, right?
I wanna go back to reading the manga from the start and check the anime out again later too.
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It's all in how it's depicted. One Piece also inahabits a shitty world, but it's not nearly as disturbing or depressing at the HxH world.
Yeah well that's probably because HxH isn't One Piece. It intentionally and consistently set a completely different tone than One Piece.
Or here's another example: Star Wars. Despite its fame as being a light-hearted sci-fi adventure movie, it has one of the highest death tolls in cinematic history (when Alderaan blew up). I mean, that's literally billions of lives; men, women, and children, wiped out in an instant. But you don't really think about it much, do you? And you don't really feel too bad outside of a general sense of moral disapproval. Because we don't know anyone on Alderaan and we don't really care about the people on Alderaan (we don't even see them). Not that there's anything wrong with them. We can assume most of them are good decent people, but we just don't have any attachment to them. That scene is less about the tragedy of Alderaan and more about the evil of the Empire.
But if you're going to hold the "but we got to know them and like them and we saw them murdered" standard I don't hear you complaining about the fates of people like Poorhatto or Gotoh, both of whom we got to know as well if not debateably better than Pokkle and Ponzu.
You really just have this odd fixation on kids in particular being killed. I'm sorry but it's just an incongruous thing to have a big problem with considering it's on the relatively tame spectrum of fucked up things that happen in HxH.
But if there were a kid in Star Wars whom the audience had grown attached to and then was callously murdered, then all of a sudden the movie would get pretty dark and kind of ruin the light-hearted sci-fi adventure tone.
But unlike Star Wars HxH isn't a light-hearted sort of adventure. It never has been past the initial Hunter Exams.
Then perhaps Shueisha should reassess their target audiences. My Little Pony and Adventure Time have garnered large adult followings, but they still stayed true to their underage audience and didn't insert adult material to cater to older audiences.
But were they trying to appeal primarily to adults in their intent?
But…..it's CALLED Shonen Jump!
I'll be nice and say you really really don't want to pursue a "X makes Shonen and Y makes Seinen" sort of argument. It's pointless.
