I think only Sanji is going to have a disadvamtage becase as long as Franky finds a way to get to Heavy Poiny he can just use Franky Boxing whereas Sanji can't use any of his attacks.
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I think only Sanji is going to have a disadvamtage becase as long as Franky finds a way to get to Heavy Poiny he can just use Franky Boxing whereas Sanji can't use any of his attacks.
And what about Chopper ? How can he fight in Sanji's body?
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Good reasoning guys, but you get my point a bit wrong (guess I wasn't clear enough):
If Sanji is pitted against Monet, in his current situation, he would violate his principles. He has no other choice but to.
Why?
- If he fights Monet with full power he violates his rules.
- If he doesn't fight Monet with full power, Nami's body gets obliterated - thus violating his rule.
Now we can spice this up a little. Lets say Monet "guards" the captured Franky (Nami) and Sanj is the first to her rescue?
What now? No matter what he does, he will violate his rule.
Who said he needs to fight? Sanji's not a dumbass. He can very well try to outsmart Monet instead of fighting her should they ever meet.
As for the body swap transferring strength, well maybe not, but I don't think skywalk requires strength. By that logic Sanji could have done it 2 years ago, since his leg strength was (without a doubt), more than twice as strong as Kalifa's.
So I agree there, it seems more like a technique.
Have you ever thought that maybe Sky Walk requires both strength and knowledge of how to do it?
As for Law swapping the members according to strength, I don't think that is the case . For one, Law doesn't know who is powerful and who isn't. He only ever met Luffy (Saobody doesn't really count, he didn't make contact with the other SH's)
Second, there is no monster trio anymore since the TS - every SH can pull his own weight, everyone is a monster in his own regard (re-read the fight against the NWP, Chopper even literally claims to be a "monster") . The times of Sanji/Zoro/Luffy doing everything by themselves are over - that was the point of the TS, and the final fight against the New Fishmen Pirates showed that.
The only thing that sets them apart now is what I call "warrior personality". Franky was always extremely strong, and so is Robin. So strong that there is constant arguing about them being at least on par with Zoro and Sanji. Heck, Robins DF is so powerful that it almost resembles a Shichibukai hax-level ability. Some even argue that she could be the perfect opponent for Law because of that.
Still, I think we will never see her or Franky on the front lines, simply because their personalities won't "allow it".
Doesn't mean they are weaker than the others tho.
First of all, Law witnessed the Strawhats kicking ass inside and outside the Auction House. He should at least have a grasp about their individual strengths.
And second, the Monster Trio still exists. While everybody did develop during those 2 years, Luffy, Zoro and Sanji were the only ones that actually went through harsh training. By logic, the gap of strength between the M3 and the others should be even bigger.
And sorry, but this "warrior personality" stuff is BS. Sanji isn't more aggressive than Franky, for example. Hell, the latter is a former street thug.
And what about Chopper ? How can he fight in Sanji's body?
Well, Chopper knows Kung Fu.
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You think wrong, it's a matter of biology, not your best wishes.
You've been reading too much manga, LOL.
Now, as for the power levels. I personally think you're going to get nowhere, because these things are so arbitrary.
Sanji said it best back at Enies Lobby, "I'll do whatever you cannot do, and you'll do whatever I cannot do."
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I think this body switch is what they need to really fully understand the strengths and weaknesses of both their own and the persons body they're in, so that when they're back to normal, they'll be even more aware of each other and utilize new strategies in battle.
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Good reasoning guys, but you get my point a bit wrong (guess I wasn't clear enough):
If Sanji is pitted against Monet, in his current situation, he would violate his principles. He has no other choice but to.
Why?
- If he fights Monet with full power he violates his rules.
- If he doesn't fight Monet with full power, Nami's body gets obliterated - thus violating his rule.
Now we can spice this up a little. Lets say Monet "guards" the captured Franky (Nami) and Sanj is the first to her rescue?
What now? No matter what he does, he will violate his rule.
Isn't that theory kinda flawed? Why wouldn't Sanji just block/dodge all of Monets attacks like he did with Kalifa? That way he avoid breaking neither of his rules.
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Isn't that theory kinda flawed? Why wouldn't Sanji just block/dodge all of Monets attacks like he did with Kalifa? That way he avoid breaking neither of his rules.
Not really, Sanji did block/dodge Kalifa's attacks, but look where he ended up. He also wasn't able to simply "outsmart her".
Means if he really doesn't want to hurt Nami he simply has to fight. Also, consider the reason for him to fight isn't only to not get Nami's body hurt, but also to free her from CC. What is he supposed to do? "Sorry Nami, I'm out of here since I don't want to get your beautiful body hurt and hitting a women is a big no no. I hope CC isn't too rough when he dismantles you step by step".
I think it would be an interesting scenario, at least I wouldn't be able to predict what he would do.
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Not really, Sanji did block/dodge Kalifa's attacks, but look where he ended up. He also wasn't able to simply "outsmart her".
Means if he really doesn't want to hurt Nami he simply has to fight. Also, consider the reason for him to fight isn't only to not get Nami's body hurt, but also to free her from CC. What is he supposed to do? "Sorry Nami, I'm out of here since I don't want to get your beautiful body hurt and hitting a women is a big no no. I hope CC isn't too rough when he dismantles you step by step".
I think it would be an interesting scenario, at least I wouldn't be able to predict what he would do.
Wouldn't getting into a fight actually rise the chances of Nami's body getting hurt? Think about it for a second. Do you actually expect him to go into a fight in a body that he's not familiar with and expect him to leave unscathed? That would be retarded.
It's not impossible for Sanji to do anything while avoiding fights as much as possible.
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I kinda don't feel any of the characters that got swapped are going to be able to use special moves at will. At least I feel it wouldn't make sense to be able for Nami to use Franky's weapons she shouldn't have any idea how he's wired up to do what. Sanji couldn't use his techniques through Nami as mentioned before because she wasn't developed and trained the way his body was. Franky to use Chopper's would be difficult cause he would have to try and figure out the methods a DF Zoan user would have learned over time to change. The same would go for Tashigi in Smoker I would think because their minds aren't necessarily tied to the host body. Suddenly being in a Logia body would probably be very difficult to control, even more so because of the type of element he is. I would think that would take a bit of focus to not accidentally drift away.
They are aware of what they can do, but they don't have the muscle memory or thought process on how to trigger the abilities. Even Chopper in Sanji would have it a bit difficult I think because Chopper even in his most basic fighting techniques uses his hands. He would have to be mindful of throwing punches as Sanji's hands are important to him.
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You misunderstood my argument. Technically, Sanji should have been able to do the Skywalk 2 years ago - but he wasn't. He had the leg strength, way more than necessary (thats why I compared him to Kalifa), but apparently technique is required, not excessive strength.
Also, Sanji's fighting style isn't all about physical power, I thought you would know better as the forums top Sanji supporter.
Diable Jambe is his defining skill now, and while Hell Memoires wasn't quite clear (we didn't see the attack connect), setting people on fire doesn't strike me as a physical ability.
Now lets say Hell Memoires is a form of haki, like many speculate, nothing would stop him from using it in Nami's body.
As for the power ranking crap, don't provoke "the door" Kishido. You know, the panel where Franky told Sanji to gtfo so someone can get the job done :D
the concept for sky walk/ CP9's technique as told by oda is to have super human speed with your feet, kick the air so fast that you can actually generate enough force to walk on it. Well first of all you need something super human to do sky walk and nami's body is just human
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I kinda don't feel any of the characters that got swapped are going to be able to use special moves at will. At least I feel it wouldn't make sense to be able for Nami to use Franky's weapons she shouldn't have any idea how he's wired up to do what. Sanji couldn't use his techniques through Nami as mentioned before because she wasn't developed and trained the way his body was. Franky to use Chopper's would be difficult cause he would have to try and figure out the methods a DF Zoan user would have learned over time to change. The same would go for Tashigi in Smoker I would think because their minds aren't necessarily tied to the host body. Suddenly being in a Logia body would probably be very difficult to control, even more so because of the type of element he is. I would think that would take a bit of focus to not accidentally drift away.
They are aware of what they can do, but they don't have the muscle memory or thought process on how to trigger the abilities. Even Chopper in Sanji would have it a bit difficult I think because Chopper even in his most basic fighting techniques uses his hands. He would have to be mindful of throwing punches as Sanji's hands are important to him.
well this should answer all the questions now move on to something else guys >.>
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Wouldn't getting into a fight actually rise the chances of Nami's body getting hurt? Think about it for a second. Do you actually expect him to go into a fight in a body that he's not familiar with and expect him to leave unscathed? That would be retarded.
It's not impossible for Sanji to do anything while avoiding fights as much as possible.
Of course everything is possible, but look at this specific situation:
- Sanji enters the facility, alone (the rest is occupied with the cool brothers or whatever).
- His aim is to get Nami out of prison in order to get the re-swap done, or simply save her from getting dismantled.
- He enters her room and finds her bound to a table, Monet is already preparing the scientific research (she is CC's assistant after all)
- We assume that Monet is capable of putting up a (more or less) decent fight. Lets say she is on Pell's level. Lets also assume that she is rather smart, as she appears to be responsible for intel-gathering.
- Nami is awake (but disabled). Naturally she would scold Sanji for not beating the crap out of Monet. She basically allows him to do whatever is necessary to free her.
Now Sanji has 3 choices.
1. He immediately rushes out of the facility because he wont hit a women, leaving Nami to the freak that is CC.
2. He just stays there, at best dodging/blocking while having a mental breakdown because he doesn't know what to do. Eventually Monet will beat the "§$% out of of him, thus hurting Nami's real body. Badly.
3. He starts to fight, making an exception like he did against Wanze. Fighting will hurt Nami's body to a degree, but beating Monet ultimately prevents even greater harm.
What would he do?
I think it would be an interesting scenario (and an even greater cliffhanger).Edit: Well, Franky is able to mess with Choppers body, noting that it is quite unstabile. It would be interesting to see the SH's slowly adapt to their new bodys. Obviously they wouldn't perfect it, but maybe enough to properly defend themselves against sub-par opponents.
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Of course everything is possible, but look at this specific situation:
- Sanji enters the facility, alone (the rest is occupied with the cool brothers or whatever).
- His aim is to get Nami out of prison in order to get the re-swap done, or simply save her from getting dismantled.
- He enters her room and finds her bound to a table, Monet is already preparing the scientific research (she is CC's assistant after all)
- We assume that Monet is capable of putting up a (more or less) decent fight. Lets say she is on Pell's level. Lets also assume that she is rather smart, as she appears to be responsible for intel-gathering.
- Nami is awake (but disabled). Naturally she would scold Sanji for not beating the crap out of Monet. She basically allows him to do whatever is necessary to free her.
Now Sanji has 3 choices.
1. He immediately rushes out of the facility because he wont hit a women, leaving Nami to the freak that is CC.
2. He just stays there, at best dodging/blocking while having a mental breakdown because he doesn't know what to do. Eventually Monet will beat the "§$% out of of him, thus hurting Nami's real body. Badly.
3. He starts to fight, making an exception like he did against Wanze. Fighting will hurt Nami's body to a degree, but beating Monet ultimately prevents even greater harm.
What would he do?
I think it would be an interesting scenario (and an even greater cliffhanger).Edit: Well, Franky is able to mess with Choppers body, noting that it is quite unstabile. It would be interesting to see the SH's slowly adapt to their new bodys. Obviously they wouldn't perfect it, but maybe enough to properly defend themselves against sub-par opponents.
The most plausible outcome to your situation, is Sanji copping out like he did at Enies Lobby, and Nami having to use the strength of Franky's body to both get her self out and take Monet out for Sanji because neither of them want her Body to get mangled/ Sanji won't hit a woman.
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Of course everything is possible, but look at this specific situation:
- Sanji enters the facility, alone (the rest is occupied with the cool brothers or whatever).
- His aim is to get Nami out of prison in order to get the re-swap done, or simply save her from getting dismantled.
- He enters her room and finds her bound to a table, Monet is already preparing the scientific research (she is CC's assistant after all)
- We assume that Monet is capable of putting up a (more or less) decent fight. Lets say she is on Pell's level. Lets also assume that she is rather smart, as she appears to be responsible for intel-gathering.
- Nami is awake (but disabled). Naturally she would scold Sanji for not beating the crap out of Monet. She basically allows him to do whatever is necessary to free her.
Now Sanji has 3 choices.
1. He immediately rushes out of the facility because he wont hit a women, leaving Nami to the freak that is CC.
2. He just stays there, at best dodging/blocking while having a mental breakdown because he doesn't know what to do. Eventually Monet will beat the "§$% out of of him, thus hurting Nami's real body. Badly.
3. He starts to fight, making an exception like he did against Wanze. Fighting will hurt Nami's body to a degree, but beating Monet ultimately prevents even greater harm.
What would he do?
I think it would be an interesting scenario (and an even greater cliffhanger).Edit: Well, Franky is able to mess with Choppers body, noting that it is quite unstabile. It would be interesting to see the SH's slowly adapt to their new bodys. Obviously they wouldn't perfect it, but maybe enough to properly defend themselves against sub-par opponents.
Where's the "Sanji tries to rescue Nami while avoiding a direct fight against Monet" choice? Monet could make things tricky, but she doesn't need to be defeated in order for Nami to be saved. Sanji would go with this option.
You know what, this situation is so specific that I won't even bother discussing it anymore.
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They were clearly interrupted, so he's obviously not dead. See, there's a difference between "mostly dead", and "all dead".
Well he is a character that I can imagine surving and being in a cover story, regardless he seemed pretty useless even when we met him pre-timeskip. As he was telling his sap story I had a smirk on my face because I knew he was being used because CC had to be some type of sadistic and evil bastard, and I'm glad he is.
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So what is it then?
1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Sanji
4. Robin? (She's been a badass for quite awhile.)
5. Franky? (Mostly robot now.)
6. Brook? (We haven't really seen fight much more than a couple of swift and accurate moves.)
7. Chopper? (He may have a low bounty, but he packs a wallop.)
8. Ussop
9. NamiChopper in Sanji: Should be fine. Sanji's body is plenty strong.
Nami in Franky: Also fine. She beats the hell out of all the characters often and has a strong intuition with how things work.
Franky in Chopper: Totally fine. He's used to being a transformer. Chopper is plenty strong.
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I honestly don't think we have to worry about Sanji fighting in Nami's body. Yes, Sanji won't fight a woman, but he is in Nami's body, so if he fights a woman, it's just a catfight.
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I honestly don't think we have to worry about Sanji fighting in Nami's body. Yes, Sanji won't fight a woman, but he is in Nami's body, so if he fights a woman, it's just a catfight.
:DWith a potential mythical zoan…
As unlikely as the situation is (borderline fanfiction), I think Sanji would infiltrate the facility secretly to rescue Frami instead of barging in, knowing he is putting Nami's real body in danger.
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luffy, law and cc triple theart match for the title of the island with smoker as the ref. calling it now
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Chapter 667 today? :D
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No chapter yet? sigh…
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667 is still not out :(
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Yeah, I'm a little confused as to what's going on myself.
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blast, its usually out by noon!
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16 chars of… :sad:
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I bet they're all going about their day normally because they think it got uploaded hours ago, but really there was an error and no one noticed.:ninja:
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@nodensuke:
I bet they're all going about their day normally because they think it got uploaded hours ago, but really there was an error and no one noticed.:ninja:
Oh god, that could take forever to notice D: I need my One Piece, I need my One Piece or I'll explode!
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I need something to wash the bad taste of naruto and mediocre taste of bleach out my mouth. :/
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I need something to wash the bad taste of naruto and mediocre taste of bleach out my mouth. :/
Didn't your mother ever tell you not to drink bleach
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I need one piece!! Sanji Dance
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Bah, full day at work, looking forward to coming back and reading all the new releases and One Piece isn't out :( It's hard enough when it takes a one week break, but when I know it should be coming out and it's not released, I die a little inside…
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Damn this is so cruel!!! Is there no god at all???
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Man, you guys are spoiled. Have some patience.
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I'm calling it now… MangaPanda got pissed about everyone complaining about their OP translations and just stopped.
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@nodensuke:
I'm calling it now…Everyone who was up for that award got pissed when Oda won and conspired to pay to have everything OP related delayed to piss everyone off..
Edit: ....No, that's just stupid....
Or is it…....?
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I'm calling it now… MangaPanda got pissed about everyone complaining about their OP translations and just stopped.
Which in turn would prevent ms from uploading 3 hours later..
I rely Dont wanna read the spoilers…
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If you guys are willing to read through a whole lot of awful, http://www.mangabird.com/one-piece-667 has the worst translations ever, but they're translations nonetheless
Canadians are like the hipsters of One Piece. They've known about Haki for years, and most of them know two types (Ice and Roller), some even know Field.
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If you guys are willing to read through a whole lot of awful, http://www.mangabird.com/one-piece-667 has the worst translations ever, but they're translations nonetheless
Lol that's like google translate translations. I'm not that desperate… Yet.
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Rumble balls translates as Blue balls in it, which of course can not end well
I really don't get that, why do they wait for the others to put up their scans?
Legal reasons I believe
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"gomu gomu no random shoot" ….:wassat:
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@nodensuke:
"gomu gomu no random shoot" ….:wassat:
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@nodensuke:
I'm calling it now… MangaPanda got pissed about everyone complaining about their OP translations and just stopped.
Do I dare to dream?
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Rally ever told me something. :)
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ahahah, I liked "bullet gifts".
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Do I dare to dream?
Well, they've released 8 other series after bleach today, and usually OP comes before bleach..I just don't understand..Also, where I am it's now 2:50pm, and it usually comes out around 6-9am…
