Chapter 650 : Two changes you need to know.

NewWorldSanji

@Sharkz1:

I can't remember, but didn't Lola give them a vivre card to the SH for her mom?

Absolutely, and it was Nami to be specific.

FireFistAce 0

@Sharkz1:

I can't remember, but didn't Lola give them a vivre card to the SH for her mom?

Yep. To Nami, specifically.

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2596-14/one-piece/chapter-489.html

zachri

Holy sh-
[/just in a state of slight awe ; wasn't expecting most of that ; thought we were gonna see some Bonney though ; oh well]

Shift

That settles it. I'll be much more surprised if B.M. ISN'T Lola's mom than if she is.

dasia

@RomanceDawn:

Besides the Revolutionaries do cause chaos but for the greater good apparently. You seem to view the Revolutionaries as normal citizen of the world government when you should be viewing them as a reader of this story. Just think about how Dragon felt about all the injustice and the corruption during Luffy's flashback. They want to over throw a government that generaly wants to take care of it's people, but still very much allow super shady things to go down.

-Yes that's from our point of view but I think from Aokiji's who remains a marine at heart this will not make him join the revolutionaries. He held his 'lazy justice' views well before leaving the marines they just came out in the open in the face of Sakazuki (absolute justice)'s ascendance to power. It's not like he discovered something new about the WG which made him quit so I dn't think his attitude (which we actually hvn't seen yet but can assume to be the same 'lazy justicey') towards revolutionaries will change to the point of joining them as a result. If he decides to get involved at all in these affairs it will be as an ally/key informant to Dragon, he will keep his independence in terms of ideas and be his own team on his bike, riding the seas.

A key informant especially if the upper tiers of the marines know about the true history but do they? Did Aokiji really know what he was 'protecting' at Ohara or were admirals told another version of history by the World Government? Perhaps they know the truth but believe it to have been the right course to take for history rather than whatever was going pre 800 years ago. The brutality of the repression then made Aokiji soften his stance and reconsider?

-As for Lola's Mum I like the idea of her not being Big Mam herself but her first mate,right hand etc but either way's cool. Just thinking about the Shs possibly possessing a vivrecard to a Yonkou's hideout is hilarious.However BigMam's messengers plot device are here. So if the Shs were to get into contact with Big Mam they wouldn't need a vivrecard, Which makes me think that perhaps Lola's mum's not even connected to BM.

-With Haki they will catch up in an instant but Big mam's messengers/the dojo's discovery/ something will distract the boys allowing Caribou to escape & report about what's been lying under the depths all this time. FI has/knows too much oh boy the 5 elders will go mad. Perhaps this will be FI's ticket for 'joining' the Reverie.

ps:Talking about knowing too much: possessing the third weapon legends passed down the royal family would explain Neptune knowing about the other two weapons but how on earth does someone like Crocodile know about Pluton? Makes you wonder what/who he had access to before retreating to Paradise.

NewWorldSanji

@Shift:

That settles it. I'll be much more surprised if B.M. ISN'T Lola's mom than if she is.

Theory:Bonney is Lola's sister, that give you something to think about.

King Cannon

@RomanceDawn:

Considering his whole out look on life was changed during the Ohara incident it isn't impossible. He went from "blazing justice" to "lazy justice" in a day, and a huge part of that was due to Akainu himself. He did let Robin go and wants her accomplish her dream, he knows there may be something to Robin's discovery of the true history.

Besides the Revolutionaries do cause chaos but for the greater good apparently. You seem to view the Revolutionaries as normal citizen of the world government when you should be viewing them as a reader of this story. Just think about how Dragon felt about all the injustice and the corruption during Luffy's flashback. They want to over throw a government that generaly wants to take care of it's people, but still very much allow super shady things to go down.

It's not my view that matters, but Aokiji's view. Aokiji obviously doesn't read One Piece, so he has no way to know that the Revolutionaries are working for the greater good because he has been serving the Marines for +20 years. Aokiji seems to want to change the way the Marines work, but I doubt he would turn himself into a criminal just to do so. Taking a neutral stance just seems like the right thing to do.

Essam Ismail

@Shift:

That settles it. I'll be much more surprised if B.M. ISN'T Lola's mom than if she is.

Ya I call it long ago , I believe her mother will be an officer under her command or even her first mate but a younko come on

NewWorldSanji

@Essam:

Ya I call it long ago , I believe her mother will be an officer under her command or even her first mate but a younko come on

Do you say this because you believe Lola herself is pretty insignificant ?

rubia_ryu

@redon:

Weekly Shonen Jump #03-04 2012 cover HQ, really nice ^^

http://img24.imagehaven.net/img/thumbs/66517Y91TO_JOJO_Xmas.jpg

CCC or rubia, could you translate the text about OP on the upper area of the cover?

One Piece Exhibition starting from March 2012. But Jump Festa is a different date… It doesn't say where the location of this exhibition is. The reason why I took so long was because I went off searching Jump's site, but it didn't have anything in particular on it.

Someone get me the Raw so I can judge which site has done a better job translating. So far, MS's new translator has been holding up well enough.

BuryBury

I'm surprised Robin didn't have eyes and ears planted all over the place to make sure no one was eavesdropping on such an important discussion. You'd think she would be even more careful about things like that after spending two years with the revolutionaries!

I always liked Aokiji and now I can't wait to see what he's up to. It's frustrating enough to see all these moderate leaders resign in protest and leave all the power in the hands of the hardliners, so I'm hoping they're at least doing something outside the marine forces.

Aside from all the holy-shit information and all, I really got a kick out of the comedy in this chapter: poor Jinbe finding out just what kind of captain Luffy is, Zoro passed out on the floor, the monster trio appearing behind Caribou and his reaction, Nami's greed punch and oh God Zeo you're still amazing. I've enjoyed this whole arc so much and things just keep getting better.

O baba

@Kylor:

Decision making in the Marines: Forget voting or political discussion, that's for wimps. The only true way to solve conflicts is through fistfights.

politicians were having duels not that long ago ( well still less than one century ago) and OP is happenning in lets say "an alter past time" so it's not so wtf after all

CommanderPepper

I was sort of shocked that the Marines would let two powerful logia types just duel it out. I imagine the island they fought on is completely destroyed now due to their actions.

Demonicpoodle

Man Caribou looks like Uboa from one of the games I've played in the first panel he shows up in this chapter. Creepy as hell…

What can be said that hasn't already? Perfect, awesome chapter.

And little things like "Blackbeard!! The one who destroyed my home island once!!" just make OP so much better.

And I would love to have an alternate trans from Rubia or CCC of this chapter if they're up to it; it has very important details that if misunderstood could lead to petty discussion.

MetaMario

Holy crap @ this chapter.

1. So another Legendary Weapon is named Uranus. Cool.
2. Akainu and Aokiji got into a duel to decide who gets the Fleet Admiral, and Akainu won. Ouch, things aren't going to be easier for the Straw Hats Marine-wise. And Aokiji left? Hm…..interesting. My main question is.....who will fill in the two Admiral vacancies?
3. Blackbeard is now a Yonkou. Well, plenty of people here (including myself) predicted that, but it's good to see it be explicitly stated.

And to top it off, freaking Caribou overhears the truth about Shirahoshi (lol at how easily Luffy knocked him away). Goddamn. (I also have to laugh at Jinbei's reaction to Luffy not paying attention).

But seriously, what a good chapter.

NewWorldSanji

@MetaMario:

(I also have to laugh at Jinbei's reaction to Luffy not paying attention).

I think that Oda warping Jinbe's personality a bit so he'll be more fit for the strawhats. Sure as hell didn't want to be the MALE ROBIN OF THE CREW.

GJardim

@MetaMario:

2. Akainu and Aokiji got into a duel to decide who gets the Fleet Admiral, and Akainu won. Ouch, things aren't going to be easier for the Straw Hats Marine-wise. And Aokiji left? Hm…..interesting. My main question is.....who will fill in the two Admiral vacancies?

I've been thinking about this. Anyone would say Smoker or Coby, but I guess a vice-admiral like Momonga would replace one of the admirals. But for other one… Maybe someone that just joined the marines but is really strong and competent?

dark knight

COO would help as it predicts attacks before they are used so u dont have to be speed of light fast to be able to hit him. and secondly wasn,t this mentiond before kizaru cannot react at the sped of light he can travel at the speed of light and has a specialized move that allows him to kick at the speed of light he cannot constantly attack at the speed of light that be ridiculous.
The same with enel he wasnt constantly moving attacking in speed of lightning.
I really hope that blackbeards crew only has one devil fruit each and that they are trying to steal devil fruits for people in his crew who dose not have them. P.S luffys crew has a long way to go to match that power and a long way to go to be one admiral level strength.

RomanceDawn

@King:

It's not my view that matters, but Aokiji's view. Aokiji obviously doesn't read One Piece, so he has no way to know that the Revolutionaries are working for the greater good because he has been serving the Marines for +20 years. Aokiji seems to want to change the way the Marines work, but I doubt he would turn himself into a criminal just to do so. Taking a neutral stance just seems like the right thing to do.

No one said anything about Aokiji viewing the story as a whole. I am specifically talking about you. Dragon wants to change the world for the better, though chaos and war may come about when he is liberating a country, it is undoubtedly in the benefit of everyone. You make it sound as if he just goes around destroying countries just for the heck of it.

I'm not saying Aokiji is going to join the revolutionaries, but he has questioned the government and the marines before, so I don't think of it as an impossibility like you.

Aokiji's set Robin free, twice, a criminal who was allied with some of the most notorious people in the One Piece world. His last words to Robin:

Aokiji: I don't know if it was right or wrong for Saul to let you live. But maybe you can answer that for me… ?
Robin: I intend to.
Aokiji: Then live your life and prove to me that Ohara is still alive.

There is some interest there for him with the true history and all. It isn't impossible that he could look elsewhere to reignite his burning justice.

What happened at Ohara changed his entire being and he knew everything wasn't so cut and dry as it was supposed to appear. Now with Akainu running things, he obviously knows that it is going to take a turn for worse. And the only one taking a neutral stance on things would Kizaru, that's basically his motto.

As a matter of fact i'm surprised that no one theorized about Aokiji defecting from the Marines a long time ago.

King Cannon

@GJardim:

I've been thinking about this. Anyone would say Smoker or Coby, but I guess a vice-admiral like Momonga would replace one of the admirals. But for other one… Maybe someone that just joined the marines but is really strong and competent?

I believe Onigumo and Doberman are the best candidates as their views of Justice come the closest to Akainu's.

Skadi

@Shift:

Now, here's a question: Decken didn't eat any ES, right? So where'd he go? Could Skadi have been right? Oy…

Yus, i hope is what i said. To me he definitely was freed by his nakamas who disguised themselves as soldiers (that would also expain why we didn´t saw them lately)

Urouge

Yes! A plot chapter! It's been a while.

Tonjit and Sherry… had kids? D: Hopefully not! I guess we're up to Kokoro and Chimney next ~~week~~ chapter.
Robin, the Strawhat's world class spy, just spouts out the biggest secret in the world without noticing that someone is eavesdropping. You know, Caribou has issues and all, but the Strawhat crew are total enablers for him.
Akainu is fleet admiral. Check. I never saw a death match between Akainu and Aokiji coming, though. Good to know that Aokiji held his own and stood up for his principles. A lot to digest with this news really. The location of Aokiji could be several different things. Revolutionary or possibly a bounty hunter seem most likely to me. But if he was a bounty hunter, it probably wouldn't be much of a secret. So I think I'm leaning with him joining under Dragon, mostly because I can't envision many other avenues for him, since I'm sure he's not retiring. There's also the question of Garp and Sengoku. They're retired, but I can't imagine they'd want to hang out the same marines that Aokiji couldn't even stomach. There's also the question of Coby, who we all know doesn't share the same values as Akainu. I'm also curious how the marines are a stronger and more dangerous force without Aokiji, and what the new roster of admirals looks like, since Kizaru is the last one left. So many questions arise from a single answer. And that answer was important enough for even Luffy to pay attention.
Jinbe's still learning Luffy's personality I see in all this Blackbeard mess. So Blackbeard is hunting users of strong abilities and killing them to steal their powers. That's simple enough, leaving the huge question that nobody will agree on about what he's actually doing with these abilities. I think I'm of the opinion that the abilities are either being given to the other crew members or put inside of weapons and and other objects. I really don't like the idea of Blackbeard himself being an encyclopedia of fruit powers. The duo of darkness and quakes seems just about right to me, and seems more suitable to a "unique body" approach.
Hey look at that, Sanji and Zoro both have mantra. Check, doing good lately. Caribou lost a lot of his potential by getting discovered, but his crew showed up so he still has that going for him. He knows Shirahoshi's secret and he has that tamatebako as well, so I think this saga still has a lot of life in it. I'm sticking with my prediction that the crew goes to Mariejoa and back, as I'm seeing the foundations behind a reason to go beginning to form.
Luffy's and Zoro's reactions to the first moment Nami finds out treasure was stolen is just priceless to me. "Ahhhh crap, she's going to make us do stuff." I think we all knew that the Strawhats would end up with all that treasure, but I didn't expect Nami to pick up the scent of it so quickly.
Bravo Oda, I was beginning to think that you weren't going to show the drawback of the drugs. It's hilarious that they still haven't lost their confidence, though.
I like the cliffhanger. It's too early for the crew to fight an emperor, but I don't think it's too early for the appearance of one. She could sympathize with the situation and not show up, but I doubt Oda would use a red herring as a cliffhanger. Sympathizing after she shows up would be a different story.

Nycprodigy

I got really excited about that Aokiji part, maybe he'll be on the SH's side legally now. I wouldn't say that he would join the revolutionaries because jimbei said that Ao quit because he didn't want to serve under Akainu. And wow and 10(or was it 7?) day battle!! That must either be because their DF powers are like enemies. I mean if Ace's fire did such a poor job against Ao's Ice then magma must be the next best thing right? Now I wonder how tough it will be for Luffy to fight Akainu. speaking of which I like how luffy reacted to the scar Akainu gave him when Akainu's name was mentioned like with Shanks talking to Blackbeard

MetaMario

@GJardim:

I've been thinking about this. Anyone would say Smoker or Coby, but I guess a vice-admiral like Momonga would replace one of the admirals. But for other one… Maybe someone that just joined the marines but is really strong and competent?

The reason why a choice like Momonga doesn't sound half-bad to me is because the typical answer (Smoker/Coby) seems unfair. It'd be a huge jump to have one of them be at Admiral level now.

As for someone new joining the Marines….hm, that could be a possible answer. I'm curious to find out here. Meanwhile, leadership under Akainu? I think all the pirates of the world muttered a collective "aw shit" when it was announced he was the new Fleet Admiral...

Psywar1

@Thatanas:

So the candy factory was for Big Mom, like many of us suggested. Nice, wonder how the messagers look like and how things will develop from here :D

Wasn't this explicited stated earlier or did I miss something? Either way, good chapter.

rubia_ryu

@Urouge:

Tonjit and Sherry… had kids? D: Hopefully not! I guess we're up to Kokoro and Chimney next ~~week~~ chapter.

What in the worf gave you the idea that Tonjit had kids with Sherry? That is just sick.

On another note, seeing them again reminded me of Tibet, at least of a village like those in Tibet. They really love their horses, yep. And this time, it's NOT 10-year-old cheese… I hope.

Nycprodigy

I wonder ifOda will thrown in a funny joke and make Uranus a small black hole that only someone as smart as Vegapunk would know how to construct or bring to reality

black-leg jex

Despite all the amazing stuff that happened this chapter like Akainu vs. aokiji i think the 2 best parts for me were Luffy punching caribou away and then luffy, zoro and sanji being punched away by nami for doing it and jus the line 'Sanji lusted to much' XD i couldn't stop laughing at either of them

Nycprodigy

@MetaMario:

The reason why a choice like Momonga doesn't sound half-bad to me is because the typical answer (Smoker/Coby) seems unfair. It'd be a huge jump to have one of them be at Admiral level now.

As for someone new joining the Marines….hm, that could be a possible answer. I'm curious to find out here. Meanwhile, leadership under Akainu? I think all the pirates of the world muttered a collective "aw shit" when it was announced he was the new Fleet Admiral...

Or or or or or. Smoker could become an Admiral along with Momonga and Coby could become a Vice-Admiral

GJardim

@MetaMario:

As for someone new joining the Marines….hm, that could be a possible answer. I'm curious to find out here. Meanwhile, leadership under Akainu? I think all the pirates of the world muttered a collective "aw shit" when it was announced he was the new Fleet Admiral...

It can be a good thing, you know, Akainu leadership. If we get new fillers in the anime, the pirates will be atleast strong enough (or atleast, more interesting) so then we can believe they can survive more than one day in NW. :ninja:

@Nycprodigy:

Or or or or or. Smoker could become an Admiral along with Momonga and Coby could become a Vice-Admiral

I think Coby is already a vice-admiral or is really close to be prometed onto one, since he has haki.

King Cannon

@RomanceDawn:

No one said anything about Aokiji viewing the story as a whole. I am specifically talking about you. Dragon wants to change the world for the better, though chaos and war may come about when he is liberating a country, it is undoubtedly in the benefit of everyone. You make it sound as if he just goes around destroying countries just for the heck of it.

I'm not saying Aokiji is going to join the revolutionaries, but he has questioned the government and the marines before, so I don't think of it as an impossibility like you.

Aokiji's set Robin free, twice, a criminal who was allied with some of the most notorious people in the One Piece world. His last words to Robin:

Aokiji: I don't know if it was right or wrong for Saul to let you live. But maybe you can answer that for me… ?
Robin: I intend to.
Aokiji: Then live your life and prove to me that Ohara is still alive.

There is some interest there for him with the true history and all. It isn't impossible that he could look elsewhere to reignite his burning justice.

What happened at Ohara changed his entire being and he knew everything wasn't so cut and dry as it was supposed to appear. Now with Akainu running things, he obviously knows that it is going to take a turn for worse. And the only one taking a neutral stance on things would Kizaru, that's basically his motto.

As a matter of fact i'm surprised that no one theorized about Aokiji defecting from the Marines a long time ago.

I'm not talking about how I view the Revolutionaries, but how Aokiji probably views them. I view the Revolutionaries as a force that opposes the corruption and injustice of the WG through war and violence, but for the greater good. The problem is that Aokiji is not me, the reader, but a character in the story. His views are obviously going to be different.

Aokiji dislikes Absolute Justice and the WG, but not the Marines. If he joined the Revolutionaries, he would have to go against them. How would he feel about that? Especially after serving for them for +20 years? That's why I think he's not joining the Revolutionaries. He could act as an informant of sorts for the Revolution, but I don't think he'll directly fight for their cause, as much as he questions the WG and their Justice system. That's what I believe, anyway.

NewWorldSanji

@Nycprodigy:

Or or or or or. Smoker could become an Admiral along with Momonga and Coby could become a Vice-Admiral

Smoker:
Vanishing Justice or Unseen Justice or a better suggestion
Coby:
Careful Justice or Nice Justice or a better suggestion

Nycprodigy

@GJardim:

It can be a good thing, you know, Akainu leadership. If we get new fillers in the anime, the pirates will be atleast strong enough (or atleast, more interesting) so then we can believe they can survive more than one day in NW. :ninja:

I think Coby is already a vice-admiral or is really close to be prometed onto one, since he has haki.

Yeah Oda hinted to him becoming a vice admiral when he was receiving medical attention after the war.

CCC

@Demonicpoodle:

And I would love to have an alternate trans from Rubia or CCC of this chapter if they're up to it; it has very important details that if misunderstood could lead to petty discussion.

I'd be happy to if someone can provide a raw script or the actual raw pictures.

MetaMario

@Nycprodigy:

Or or or or or. Smoker could become an Admiral along with Momonga and Coby could become a Vice-Admiral

@GJardim:

I think Coby is already a vice-admiral or is really close to be prometed onto one, since he has haki.

Eh….even with Haki I still think him being a Vice-Admiral is a little too high. Then again, there's a fine line between being a Vice-Admiral and being an Admiral, so it's not like Coby would be too powerful. Who knows, maybe he's trained really hard these past two years.

Nycprodigy

What happened to Franky? :o

Baou Zakurga

This goes great with my head cannon: after the Ohorah incident,Aojiki confronted Akainu about ordering the destruction of the civilian ship,and were on the verge of fighting eachother full out,and Garp stoping then before they nukes Marineford.

Sonic Youth

Oh man, I love how Aokiji left the Marines.

I knew that would happen! And I knew he would fight Akainu for the Fleet-Admiral position.

Things are going according to plan…

NewWorldSanji

@Nycprodigy:

What happened to Franky? :o

He probably preparing the Sunny for departure, now that they don't have to leave in a hurry.

Nycprodigy

Now that I think about it. The marines were granted "unprecedent power" after Akainu recaptured or just captured Bonney. Hmm I wonder what they have up their sleeves

rubia_ryu

@Demonicpoodle:

And I would love to have an alternate trans from Rubia or CCC of this chapter if they're up to it; it has very important details that if misunderstood could lead to petty discussion.

If it helps, the Left Minister in the last panel isn't asking a question. He tells the soldier to somehow work out an excuse. And Big Mam is rather aggressive, so it's not just "taking" a country.

The lack of script really hinders my efforts, unfortunately.

@Nycprodigy:

What happened to Franky? :o

~~Blame lack of raw/script~~ With Den, I guess.

Edit: Or with Decken.

King Cannon

To the people suggesting Smoker/Coby as a new Admiral/Vice-Admiral: Do you really think Akainu would let a punk that constantly disrespects orders while telling his superiors to eat shit and a kid that stood up against his beliefs hold such high ranks?

Akainu and the WG most likely favors those that share his view of Justice, which is why I think Doberman and Onigumo are the best candidates.

Nycprodigy

@MetaMario:

Eh….even with Haki I still think him being a Vice-Admiral is a little too high. Then again, there's a fine line between being a Vice-Admiral and being an Admiral, so it's not like Coby would be too powerful. Who knows, maybe he's trained really hard these past two years.

Well Blackbeard jumped from an unknown pirate with no bounty to yonkou so there is no reason to be surprised.

MetaMario

@King:

To the people suggesting Smoker/Coby as a new Admiral/Vice-Admiral: Do you really think Akainu would let a punk that tells the WG to eat shit and a kid that stood up against his beliefs hold such high ranks?

Huh, I didn't think of it like that…...

Nycprodigy

@King:

To the people suggesting Smoker/Coby as a new Admiral/Vice-Admiral: Do you really think Akainu would let a punk that tells the WG to eat shit and a kid that stood up against his beliefs hold such high ranks?

Akainu and the WG most likely favors those that share his view of Justice, which is why I think Doberman and Onigumo are the best candidates.

Well they need a more interesting position. we can't just have everyone dropping out of the marines. Also Akainu is probably unaware of what happened with Smoker and if Coby and Smoker show great results, especially on the battlefield then he has no real reason ot keep them behind

GJardim

@MetaMario:

Eh….even with Haki I still think him being a Vice-Admiral is a little too high. Then again, there's a fine line between being a Vice-Admiral and being an Admiral, so it's not like Coby would be too powerful. Who knows, maybe he's trained really hard these past two years.

Well, if Akainu remembered that Coby was that marine that called him "idiot" (sorta of) in the war, then Coby had a hard time to become a vice-admiral, maybe even to still be a marine.

Czechmate

@Nycprodigy:

Well Blackbeard jumped from an unknown pirate with no bounty to yonkou so there is no reason to be surprised.

That's an entirely different situation. Like, no similarity whatsoever.

MetaMario

@GJardim:

Well, if Akainu remembered that Coby was that marine that called him "idiot" (sorta of) in the war, then Coby had a hard time to become a vice-admiral, maybe even to still be a marine.

Sounds about right.

Again, I am curious to see Coby's current progress and all….

Nycprodigy

@Czechmate:

That's an entirely different situation. Like, no similarity whatsoever.

Not to me it isn't jumps in popularity or power have been shown plenty of times in the series and I don't expect it to stop soon.

Czechmate

@Nycprodigy:

Not to me it isn't jumps in popularity or power have been shown plenty of times in the series and I don't expect it to stop soon.

Blackbeard's "jump in popularity" is almost solely due to the fact that he ate the Yami Yami no Mi. Physically he's still pretty underwhelming; he'd be an absolute nobody without his Devil Fruit powers. Oda isn't going to pull something like that with Coby, and as people have said, Sakazuki as the new Fleet Admiral is hardly gonna stand for the punk that told him off during the war shooting up the ranks like that.