Maybe Arlong took a while to hit his growth spurt?
Chapter 621: Otohime and Tiger
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Yeah…do we know for sure that Arlong is there with them? I mean...maybe that's just Chu, Kuroobi, and Hachi. The fourth sillhouette could very well be someone else. I mean...like there was Sabo who we didn't know about.
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Oh so the Sunny Pirates formed 15 years ago then? So it was just a year after the start of the chapter...I see
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Yeah, I don't think that 16 is young enough to be called a "young boy" - especially when he appeared as a child in StrongWorld. 16 is old enough to join a pirate crew. Maybe he was ten, and was 16 when he joined the sunnies, but that still makes it a big difference between him and Arlong. There was no way he could have been 25 or close to that 16 years ago.
Alright, so even if he was a boy 24 years ago– Strong World was 24 years ago, right? Timeskip and all?– if he was a boy 24 years ago, 10 or 11 years old, whatever, then when he joined the Sunny Pirates he could easily be 18 or 19 years old, possibly even 20. Do I have some numbers mixed up or something?
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Glad to see I'm not the only one confused by this.
Yeah, but the other issue is that Hachi joined the sunnies right from the get go (16/15 yrs ago), and Rayleigh said he only joined 12 years ago and that's when Rayleigh and Hachi cut ties.
Rayleigh said that before the time skip, right? If so you can add 2 years, making it 14 years, and it works out about right. Especially if it took Rayleigh time to hear about it.
The issue is more of the age thing. 22 years ago hachi was only a child. He didn't look past 7 or 8 to me. Yet only 6 years later he's old enough to join the Sunnies and looks Arlong's age (25)? Even in Hachi's flashback? That's what's not making sense to me.
The physical difference between an 8 year old and a 16 year old is usually pretty extreme physically, under any circumstances. The difference between 16 and 24 isn't nearly as huge, especially in a line drawing.
Doubly so with a weird looking Octopus species where we don't have much to compare against.
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Don't forget to add 2 years to any date we got before the time skip. So, Hachi rescued Rayleigh 24 years ago and 12 years easily becomes 14-15. So, then it'd be about 8-9 years in between Hachi rescuing Rayleigh and joining the Sunny Pirates, putting him at about 15-18.
I already added two years to the date though. SW took place 20 years ago pre-timeskip. I already added two years to make it 22.
Same with what Rayleigh said. He said 10 years ago pre-timeskip. Which makes it 12 now. I've already factored that in.22 years ago hachi couldn't even reach a doorknob, and 6 years later he's part of the Sunny Pirates and looks 25? Whut?
yeah there's not much difference between 16 and 25, he could have been that age when he joined the sunnies and arlong could be 9 years older than him. But that doesn't explain how in my icon he and arlong look the same age.
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Cover of the chapter 255 shows that Hachi, Kuroobi and Chu are at the same age. Arlong isn't part of their dream, so he is probably older than they are. Let's say that the only mistake Oda made was that he draw Arlong to look at the same age as the three others in the Reyairia's avatar.
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Arlong is the guy to the far right. Maybe it's just an assumption but I figure that's him - unless Oda plans to introduce that dude as a completely new character, which I doubt.
that's not the only mistake either, there's also that whole fib where Rayleigh said hachi joined the sunny pirates 10 years ago (12 post-skip) when he really joined 13 (15 postskip)
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great chapter <333
and really? all this drama about age?
they're "fishmen"…....I'd say it's safe to assume the aging and maturation process isn't on the same time scale as humans....
teenage fishmen would probably be looked at as adults.....just saying...I think it's funny when there is so much arguing about such trivial things in a fantasy manga
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Solution: Rayleigh is senile
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Alright, so even if he was a boy 24 years ago– Strong World was 24 years ago, right? Timeskip and all?– if he was a boy 24 years ago, 10 or 11 years old, whatever, then when he joined the Sunny Pirates he could easily be 18 or 19 years old, possibly even 20. Do I have some numbers mixed up or something?
Yes: there is a two year timeskip in Chapter 0. We see Hatchan as a kid 2 years after Roger's Death.
He could be 16 when he joined the Sunny Pirates, that's no problem to me. The only thing that is weird is the Sabaody picture - Reyairia's avatar :
They really don't seem to have even a 5 year difference.Reyairia, where did Rayleigh give those dates ? Isn't it among the mistranslations brennen pointed out?
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I never heard that Hachi joined the Sunny pirates 12 years ago thing either
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Rayleigh said Hachi joined the sunny pirates 10 years ago (12 post-skip) when he really joined 13 (15 postskip)
When did Rayleigh say this? I commented on it above, but the only time I remember him mentioning it he never gives a date or time, he just says "when he joined". Also, when we see Rayleigh and Hachi in the Strong World chapter (Chapter 0), Hachi already knows Rayleigh. He saved him before that, which, like I said, could have been anywhere from 22-26 years ago. That fits with the "young boy" comment. His design being young, he could easily be anywhere from 8-14 years old. Oda's never been amazing at drawing age or proportions with accuracy or consistency.
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I already added two years to the date though. SW took place 20 years ago pre-timeskip. I already added two years to make it 22.
Same with what Rayleigh said. He said 10 years ago pre-timeskip. Which makes it 12 now. I've already factored that in.22 years ago hachi couldn't even reach a doorknob, and 6 years later he's part of the Sunny Pirates and looks 25? Whut?
Its called "puberty". Kids grow fast between the ages of 10-16.
Your confusion is stemming from a SILHOUETTE… and the fact that your adding concrete dates to things that were only said vaguely.
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Arlong is the guy to the far right. Maybe it's just an assumption but I figure that's him - unless Oda plans to introduce that dude as a completely new character, which I doubt.
that's not the only mistake either, there's also that whole fib where Rayleigh said hachi joined the sunny pirates 10 years ago (12 post-skip) when he really joined 13 (15 postskip)
I meant the cover of the chapter 225 (I wrote accidentally 255 before). Arlong isn't there.
And in which chapter was that said? I can't recall that.
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Yeah, but Hatchan appears after Roger's death - so he appears 22 years ago instead of 24 years ago. We know this because Rayleigh is already living in Saobody when hachi appears as a kid to visit.
Even with a mistranslation, hachi already did appear 22 years ago as a child. We know that exact date and time. He was definitely not 16 in SW, or anything close to it. Hachi probably rescued him a couple years prior to SW, but not before Roger's death.
yeah, Oda was never good at drawing proportions, but hachi can't even reach a doorknob for earth's sake. He asks for juice. He holds Shakky's hand. How the heck is he over ten??
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Just look at Ace, Sabo, and Luffy…Ace and Sabo were supposed to be 10. Then look at Ace at age 20 when he shows up in volume 18...
Ace was pretty small for a 10 year old...same w/ Sabo. They sure grow up fast lol
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Ace and Sabo could pass for ten. hachi doesn't IMO.
if I remember correctly about the whole Rayleigh thing, he said that he's known hatchan for 20 years when Hachi rescued him, but they hadn't seen each other in ten years when hachi joined the Sunny Pirates. Or was that Shakky mentioning that?
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Even with a mistranslation, hachi already did appear 22 years ago as a child. We know that exact date and time. He was definitely not 16 in SW, or anything close to it. Hachi probably rescued him a couple years prior to SW, but not before Roger's death.
16 years ago isn't the same as 22 years ago.
He can meet Rayleigh when he is 6 or 7, be 8-10 in SW, and 14-16 in the current flashback.
Also, Fishmen can age funny. Or he could have been scrawny before puberty.
I'm not sure what the problem is?
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The confusion with Rayleigh is slightly off. It's Shakky who says she hasn't seen him in 10 years and Rayleigh says he was good friends with Hachi until he joined the Sunny Pirates.
From Stephen:Hatchan: Nyuuu, it's nice to see you again, Shackey.
Shackey: I know! How long has it been, 10 years?!
Sit down! I was just ripping these folks off by charging them illegally. (chapter 498)Rayleigh: Hachi helped me out when I was stranded at sea over 20 years ago.
Shackey: He saved this man's life… and when he was just a young boy.
Rayleigh: We were good pals, up until he joined the Pirates of the Sun. (chapter 506)
Rereading Stephen's version, it's possible that Hachi joined 15 years ago (obviously) and visited Shakky 12 years ago, but Rayleigh wasn't around because of his habit of being all over Sabaody Archipelago.
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Here's the real reason.
Maybe just maybe, your precious Oda screwed up.
I know if this was any other series, people will be ready to tear the writer up for his incompetence.
But of course, with Oda there MUST be a reason.
There most likely isn't. He screwed up. This happens a lot in these things.
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How many years did it take gold lion Shiki to escape from Impel Down? Isn't it after he escaped that hachi visited rayleigh?
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He visited Rayleigh then, but he saved him earlier than that.
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@RobbyBevard:
16 years ago isn't the same as 22 years ago.
He can meet Rayleigh when he is 6 or 7, be 8-10 in SW, and 14-16 in the current flashback.
Also, Fishmen can age funny. Or he could have been scrawny before puberty.
I'm not sure what the problem is?
he could be 16 in the current flashback, but that doesn't explain why he looks Arlong's age in my icon. Oda had an opportunity to correct it, since it wasn't the first time he showed us the "4 arlong pirates staring at the ferris wheel" (it was shown in Saobody as well) but he didn't.
Also here
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c506/9.htmlRayleigh says hatchan rescued him 20 years ago (22 postskip)
But they stopped being friends when he joined the sunny pirates
And Shakky earlier said that she hadn't seen hatchan in 10 years. (12 postskip)Maybe he came by a quick visit even after falling out with Rayleigh but still, it's kinda weird.
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Loved the cover ;D glad it's back to those~
I forgot their names, but Carrot (the one on the right amirite?) reminds me a little of Brief from PaSwG now ;D -
Maybe just maybe, your precious Oda screwed up..
I accept that it might have been a screwup (I mentioned it earlier), but it'd be the first and only time he would have. :S I can't recall him screwing up with the timeline before this.
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He might have seen Shakky without seeing Rayleigh 10 years ago.
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The confusion with Rayleigh is slightly off. It's Shakky who says she hasn't seen him in 10 years and Rayleigh says he was good friends with Hachi until he joined the Sunny Pirates.
From Stephen:Hatchan: Nyuuu, it's nice to see you again, Shackey.
Shackey: I know! How long has it been, 10 years?!
Sit down! I was just ripping these folks off by charging them illegally. (chapter 498)Rayleigh: Hachi helped me out when I was stranded at sea over 20 years ago.
Shackey: He saved this man's life… and when he was just a young boy.
Rayleigh: We were good pals, up until he joined the Pirates of the Sun. (chapter 506)
Rereading Stephen's version, it's possible that Hachi joined 15 years ago (obviously) and visited Shakky 10 years ago, right before Arlong left for East Blue, but Rayleigh wasn't around because of his habit of being all over Sabaody Archipelago.
yeah, definitely going with this.
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Here's the real reason.
Maybe just maybe, your precious Oda screwed up.
I know if this was any other series, people will be ready to tear the writer up for his incompetence.
But of course, with Oda there MUST be a reason.
There most likely isn't. He screwed up. This happens a lot in these things.
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I'm stating it how it is. It's most likely a mess-up. Oda is not impervious to such things, you know.
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.. I'm totally confused now.
Oh, look, a troll.
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I'm stating it how it is. It's most likely a mess-up. Oda is not impervious to such things, you know.
i don't disagree, I just find it strange since he's been really good about avoiding screwups in the past.
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Here's the real reason.
Maybe just maybe, your precious Oda screwed up.
I know if this was any other series, people will be ready to tear the writer up for his incompetence.
But of course, with Oda there MUST be a reason.
There most likely isn't. He screwed up. This happens a lot in these things.Or maybe Reyairia is obsessing over nothing and creating a problem where there wasn't one, since apparently the concept of growing up during puberty eludes him.
He's the one obsessing over how the characters look in a single panel and bringing up made up dates that the manga didn't actually give.
he could be 16 in the current flashback, but that doesn't explain why he looks Arlong's age in my icon. Oda had an opportunity to correct it, since it wasn't the first time he showed us the "4 arlong pirates staring at the ferris wheel" (it was shown in Saobody as well) but he didn't.
THEY ARE IN SILHOUETTE, YOU CAN'T TELL ANYTHING.
They are young, and that could have taken place at any time in their lives, both times that image has been shown its just been in the context of "growing up we liked to look at the park" without being pinned down to an exact day or the rest of the scene.
Also here
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c506/9.htmlRayleigh says hatchan rescued him 20 years ago (22 postskip)
But they stopped being friends when he joined the sunny pirates
And Shakky earlier said that she hadn't seen hatchan in 10 years. (12 postskip)MANGAFOX MISTRANSLATED IT. Stephen's translation has the key word "about" before the "20 years".
As has already been noted like a dozen times.
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Oh, ok. So I'm a troll now for saying that he messed up?
Isn't that like calling all the other forum members trolls for continually bashing on the plot-holes of the other manga?
Why does Oda get a pardon for his? That's what I wanna know.
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By the way, Hancock said that she was 12 years old when she was kidnapped, and four years from this Fisher Tiger freed her. This means that she was 16 years old at that time. Because she is 31 now, it would mean that Tiger attacked Mariejois 15 years ago, but now it was said to have happened 16 years ago. A little mistake or what?
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Oh, ok. So I'm a troll now for saying that he messed up?
Isn't that like calling all the other forum members trolls for continually bashing on the plot-holes of the other manga?
Why does Oda get a pardon for his? That's what I wanna know.
Oh, that's an easy question!
You're a troll because you came here to say "HAHA ODA MESSED UP" when there actually is no mess-up. Now go back to the Ninja or Shinigami hole you came from, kiddo.
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And I think that this time there really was A LOT in the chapter. perhaps too much. Oda didn't really tell the flashback in pictures but in text blocks. You know what I mean? Otohime's character was developed very well in pages but the whole Sun pirates thing was more telled in textblogs than pages….
This. I feel like Fisher Tiger got shafted this chapter, which would've been okay if it wasn't for the fact that I felt like we were going to start off with Fisher Tiger and his ideals before going to Otohime.
he could be 16 in the current flashback, but that doesn't explain why he looks Arlong's age in my icon. Oda had an opportunity to correct it, since it wasn't the first time he showed us the "4 arlong pirates staring at the ferris wheel" (it was shown in Saobody as well) but he didn't.
This is the only real gripe I have with the age thing. Everything else makes sense age wise. Still…sihouette.
The Macro situation...still doesn't make sense. I could understand that he sold slaves before the formation, but if it really was Fisher Tiger's ideology why continue it? He could've just joined to help Fisher Tiger but given Jinbe's feelings about slavery and FT's assumed feelings it feels wrong.
Other than Fishmen (and Jinbe assumingly) knowing about haki, the Noah ship is what interested me the most. I'm confused by how mangastream translated it, but I'm guessing Noah is the fallback for the fishmen to reach the surface? I couldn't tell if it was used as a last resort type deal or if fishmen tried it before and failed. Either way, I'm actually excited for Robin finding out the history (which I'm going to assume is on the Poneglyph. That event of the past seems really important in history).
And Otohime is pretty sweet. Shirahoshi seems to take after her mom, but is more afraid. The snot bubble gag is cute.
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By the way, Hancock said that she was 12 years old when she was kidnapped, and four years from this Fisher Tiger freed her. This means that she was 16 years old at that time. Because she is 31 now, it would mean that Tiger attacked Mariejois 15 years ago, but now it was said to have happened 16 years ago. A little mistake or what?
People have birthdays throughout the year.
And things happen throughout the year. Something that happens January 1 is still the same as something that happens December 31, but its basically a year apart.
Oh, ok. So I'm a troll now for saying that he messed up?
You're a troll cause you're being a douchenozzle about how you say it and insulting the board members to do it.
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Also, weren't Buggy and Shanks around 13 or so when they joined Roger? Could be the same with Hachi, Chuu and Kuroobi.
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By the way, Hancock said that she was 12 years old when she was kidnapped, and four years from this Fisher Tiger freed her. This means that she was 16 years old at that time. Because she is 31 now, it would mean that Tiger attacked Mariejois 15 years ago, but now it was said to have happened 16 years ago. A little mistake or what?
Nope just Hancock being around 30 and lying about her age. :)
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This was a great chapter. I like that Neptune and Whitebeard are actually best friends, I wonder when did Whitebeard protect the Island exactly.
So what do we have hear, we have Arlong forming his crew even before the Fishmen pirates which means that when Jinbe joined the Shichibukai, Arlong just took his original crew and left, which could also means that the Fishmen pirates didn't necessarily break up. The last page with Arlong and Jinbe tells me that Jinbe could be partially responsible for Arlong attitudes towards human.
The queen having COA and the fact that she was born with it was nice.
Three questions come to my mind right now:
1. What did Fisher Tiger do in the palace?
2. Candies shop = Candies factory?
And 3. Which is the most important question of them all: IS THAT CAPTAIN BUGGY?????I also like how we didn't get much ahead in the flashback with this chapter, know what I mean?
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SMH. I've been here longer than you, most likely. I'm a One Piece fan, buddy.
I'm just not blind. I'm not going to reach deep into my hat for reasons about this, when it's pretty obvious Oda screwed up.
And that's ok. It happens all the time in manga.
What I can't figure out, is why you guys aren't going all ape-shit over it like you do with the others. No, instead you're defending it. The very same people who complain about the littlest plot-holes.
Talk about bias.
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SMH. I've been here longer than you, most likely. I'm a One Piece fan, buddy.
I'm just not blind. I'm not going to reach deep into my hat for reasons about this, when it's pretty obvious Oda screwed up.
And that's ok. It happens all the time in manga.
What I can't figure out, is why you guys aren't going all ape-shit over it like you do with the others. No, instead you're defending it. The very same people who complain about the littlest plot-holes.
Talk about bias.
When Oda does shit wrong or badly, we call him on it all the time. Hell, we're harsher on OP than any other series because we have higher standards for it.
In this case its because its a member creating the plot holes by making up dates and going by bad translations, and obsessing over the appearance of a silhouette, and not something Oda actually did?
And you're still being a douchenozzle.
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I wonder if John's Candies shop in the middle panel on page 8 has something to do with Captain John.
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You keep saying that, but everything points to Oda screwing up the timeline by a few years.
And sorry, but that's just me. I'll try to, uh… keep that down. But the dilemma still stands.
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@RobbyBevard:
Or maybe Reyairia is obsessing over nothing and creating a problem where there wasn't one, since apparently the concept of growing up during puberty eludes him.
I'm a girl, for starters.
Growing up during puberty doesn't elude me. I'm just pointing out something that just doesn't quite add up.
I'm not obsessive over nothing, I'm just paying attention to details.@RobbyBevard:
He's the one obsessing over how the characters look in a single panel and bringing up made up dates that the manga didn't actually give.
SW's date was given pretty clearly compared to the present manga.
@RobbyBevard:
MANGAFOX MISTRANSLATED IT. Stephen's translation has the key word "about" before the "20 years".
It doesn't matter if it was "about" 20 years ago in one statement by Rayleigh. It's clear as day that SW was given to be 22 years before the present timeline if not outright stated. It doesn't matter what Rayleigh generalized, there's no way Hatchan was 16 in SW like you seem to think he was.
Let's just leave it that Hatchi is much younger than Arlong and Oda screwed up by making them all look the same age in a silhouette, mmkay?
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It doesn't matter if it was "about" 20 years ago in one statement by Rayleigh. It's clear as day that SW was given to be 22 years before the present timeline if not outright stated. It doesn't matter what Rayleigh generalized, there's no way Hatchan was 16 in SW like you seem to think he was.
Uhm, I never said he was 16 in SW. I've been saying he was 8 the whole time.
SW=22 years ago=Hachi is 8
Current flashback=16 years ago=Hachi is 16Why are you trying to shoehorn Hachi into being 16 during Strong World? Just because Arlong is 25 in the current flashback? Jimbei is 30 and is still part of the same peer group apparently, and Fisher Tiger as the leader is probably even older.
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And sorry, but that silhouette panel does count. You may not be able to see much, but one thing you can see is that the 4 fishman in that shot are about the same age given their relative size. And this is One Piece, almost all the kids in this series are the same size when about the same age.
Plus, Oda used it twice. You can't just dismiss it.
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@RobbyBevard:
Uhm, I never said he was 16 in SW. I've been saying he was 8 the whole time.
SW=22 years ago=Hachi is 8
Current flashback=16 years ago=Hachi is 16Why are you trying to shoehorn Hachi into being 16 during Strong World?
You're the one who brought the whole 16 thing up by making him 24 in the current flashback and only a year younger than Arlong.
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I think the silhouette is the only source of confusion honestly…in which case it could be explained in a number of ways so it's not a huge deal.
- Arlong hit a late growth spurt
- It's not Arlong
- Hatchi has a bad memory XD
- Oda just messed up by drawing a little Arlong
- Hachi smoked as a child which stunted his growth
- Arlong took a lot of growth hormone to reach his height
- idk what else most of these arent serious
Or...it just looks like they're the same age and they're not really.