Logic is Juju's greatest nemesis, he shuns it as he shuns the plague.
Bart Simpson Thread XI: The Movie - The Manga Adaption - The Animation
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@Cyan:
good post by cyan
Why are you quoting yourself?
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Yea whatever you say. Anyways you still didn't tell Me the moves Naruto pulled out of his ass.
Oh ho ho now you're getting pissy about it when YOU wanted to end it?
You were almost rid of me and you had to bring me back. I was willing to let ya go but nope.
Anyways, onto the moves he keeps pulling out of his ass yes Juju, I have a problem with the countless variations of the ransengan. Ignoring for the moment it's lazy writing to have one attack used over and over again, let's look at it like this: why would you ever need something like a mini ransengan shuriken? Why, or rather, how would you ever train yourself to do that? For what use is it to know a weaker smaller version of a move you already know?
Not to mention we rarely, if ever, see him training for these variations of the ransengan. The last time I could conceivably allow that was when he was training with Killer Bee for that Tail Beast Bomb thingy, but even then that was more to train Naruto for his Kyuubi Super Sayian form shit. So yeah asspulling moves.
Seriously man you want to end this? Shut up.
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Oh ho ho now you're getting pissy about it when YOU wanted to end it?
You were almost rid of me and you had to bring me back. I was willing to let ya go but nope.
Anyways, onto the moves he keeps pulling out of his ass yes Juju, I have a problem with the countless variations of the ransengan. Ignoring for the moment it's lazy writing to have one attack used over and over again, let's look at it like this: why would you ever need something like a mini ransengan shuriken? Why, or rather, how would you ever train yourself to do that? For what use is it to know a weaker smaller version of a move you already know?
Not to mention we rarely, if ever, see him training for these variations of the ransengan. The last time I could conceivably allow that was when he was training with Killer Bee for that Tail Beast Bomb thingy, but even then that was more to train Naruto for his Kyuubi Super Sayian form shit. So yeah asspulling moves.
Seriously man you want to end this? Shut up.
I said its whatever, and changed the subject from destiny. We are on the asspull now. Huh? All the resengan variants he used this chapter he used before. He just used them creatively. Naruto can change the size of the FRS, he just made it small. Why does Ace shoot small firebslls out of his fingers when he could do way stronger ones. It's the characters personality to do this. Naruto likes to be badass, so he did a finger one. Naruto already trained for the resengan for over 100 of chapters now. Naruto doing Odama mangareader.net/93-436-10/naruto/chapter-431.html You know the one he combined with the arms to create a vacuum. Naruto with small FRS http://www.mangareader.net/93-437-1/naruto/chapter-432.html makes it grow http://www.mangareader.net/93-437-2/naruto/chapter-432.html tricks pain by making it expand again http://www.mangareader.net/93-437-6/naruto/chapter-432.html
You were saying??????
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[hide]@Outerspec:
Lol, you know what? Maybe I have been going a little nuts over this but you two can't seem to see the difference between Naruto creating his own destiny (what you all believe he has been doing all along) and Naruto being destined to do something. We're not arguing how Naruto goes about fulfilling his destiny. We all know how he goes about doing that. How would you all explain Naruto and Sasuke? Coincidence of course! LOL it boggles my miiiiiinnnnnd!
And what you don't seem to understand is the different concepts of destiny.
There's pre-determination, which you're arguing, and self-fulfilling, which we're arguing.
Both are similar but different in their concepts.
You believe that no matter what Naruto did he'd always be destined to do X
We're saying that his destiny was decided by his actions.
I'm also saying, that this is philosophical discussion, the type of which there is no right answer, yet you've been insistent on telling us that we're wrong, despite JuJu trying many times to change the topic.
However, you want me to explain Naruto and Sasuke. Hm.. They live in the same village so it's not strange that they met. They come from two rival clans so that could have some weightt if either of them realized it, but they don't. So let's throw that out.
Sasuke was forced to hate by Itachi whereas all Naruto ever wanted was acceptance. They got placed in the same team because Sasuke was top of the class and Naruto was bottom. Not uncommon. In fact, in my education courses it's recommended to try and help a student improve.
Oh, and then Sasuke gets a path towards that revenge he's wanted since day 1, he leaves and Naruto makes a promise to Sakura to get him back. He fails. But he says he will fulfill his promise, so he;s never going to stop trying to bring Sasuke back.You know. I don't see anything mystical about that at all. The fact that they're from rival clans and are "fated" to meet has absolutely no reason as to why Naruto is going after Sasuke. He's doing it because the girl he is in love with is in love with Sasuke.
Anyway, I'll just end on this because this whole argument has been rather pointless if neither side could never get their point across.
It wasn't that either side couldn't get their point across. It's that this is a personal issue. Nothing I say or you say is going to change how the other feels. I've been saying this fo a while now yet you don't seem to understand it.
Clearly since I and Outer have been telling you that the manga directly refers to Naruto as the destined child but whatever.
Yeah let's leave it here since we're not going anywhere despite the evidence we have on our side.
You have no evidence for anything.
Yes we all agree that Naruto is the destined child. JuJu hasn't denied it. All we differ on is how destiny works!
But for some reason no one in this thread can understand this.
Or maybe it's just because you all always have to argue with JuJu? Maybe it's because you guys ceaselessly harass him for no real reason. Hell back when his account was actually one of the JuJu's he was still being harassed. Yes he has said some stupid stuff, oh well. Yes, he likes Naruto. So what. You have no right to judge him on that.
I have to give him credit. You all harass him like no other yet he keeps returning to this site, why I don't know, and he keeps attempting to have a discussion about a series he likes.
I mean, if he was a troll it'd be different. But he's obviously not. Seriously, it might just be the result of a pet peeve of mine, but wen I come in here and see posts like the following it annoys me to no end.
juju's new username should have been brick wall, because that would've been the perfect fit.
Yes, despite him being the only one who's not acting like a brick wall.
But it's JuJu! Easy target number 1!
@Cyan:
Can't we just say that juju's a gibbering retard and be done with it.
I mean seriously. I won't even get into the rant about how much I hate that word. There a lot of better words to use Cyan. And especially in this situation when JuJu's not really doing anything other than arguing his point.
But once again. It's JuJu…
@Kareem:
Logic is Juju's greatest nemesis, he shuns it as he shuns the plague.
And now we have a member who's still in his toddler phase. Just a couple months here at the site and he's already attacking JuJu's logic. In a discussion based on a philosophical idea.
And you know, if I had to put my money on it, I'd say he only skimmed through some of the posts. He might have actually read one or two of the shorter ones, but I doubt he's actually read them all.
You know why he's attacking JuJu, right? Because it's the cool thing to do. I mean, all the cool kids are doing it.
Now. I'm going to post this. Then I'm going to regret doing so. Then I'm going to log off and go to bed, as I have a party I have to run tomorrow. I'll get back on tomorrow evening, then if this discussion is still going on, I'll just say screw it and stop paying attention to this thread until I'm actually caught up on the series. If this discussion is over, however…I do the same damn thing, because I mean seriously why the hell am I even here if I'm behind on the series. makes no sense I tell you. I just happened to drop by and got tangled up in this mess.
So yeah...
TL;DR:
Sorry, I couldn't resist. The moment was too perfect.
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What's sad is he's probably right.
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And what you don't seem to understand is the different concepts of destiny.
There's pre-determination, which you're arguing, and self-fulfilling, which we're arguing.
Both are similar but different in their concepts.
You believe that no matter what Naruto did he'd always be destined to do X
We're saying that his destiny was decided by his actions.
I'm also saying, that this is philosophical discussion, the type of which there is no right answer, yet you've been insistent on telling us that we're wrong, despite JuJu trying many times to change the topic.
However, you want me to explain Naruto and Sasuke. Hm.. They live in the same village so it's not strange that they met. They come from two rival clans so that could have some weightt if either of them realized it, but they don't. So let's throw that out.
Sasuke was forced to hate by Itachi whereas all Naruto ever wanted was acceptance. They got placed in the same team because Sasuke was top of the class and Naruto was bottom. Not uncommon. In fact, in my education courses it's recommended to try and help a student improve.
Oh, and then Sasuke gets a path towards that revenge he's wanted since day 1, he leaves and Naruto makes a promise to Sakura to get him back. He fails. But he says he will fulfill his promise, so he;s never going to stop trying to bring Sasuke back.You know. I don't see anything mystical about that at all. The fact that they're from rival clans and are "fated" to meet has absolutely no reason as to why Naruto is going after Sasuke. He's doing it because the girl he is in love with is in love with Sasuke.
It wasn't that either side couldn't get their point across. It's that this is a personal issue. Nothing I say or you say is going to change how the other feels. I've been saying this fo a while now yet you don't seem to understand it.You have no evidence for anything.
Yes we all agree that Naruto is the destined child. JuJu hasn't denied it. All we differ on is how destiny works!
But for some reason no one in this thread can understand this.
Or maybe it's just because you all always have to argue with JuJu? Maybe it's because you guys ceaselessly harass him for no real reason. Hell back when his account was actually one of the JuJu's he was still being harassed. Yes he has said some stupid stuff, oh well. Yes, he likes Naruto. So what. You have no right to judge him on that.
I have to give him credit. You all harass him like no other yet he keeps returning to this site, why I don't know, and he keeps attempting to have a discussion about a series he likes.
I mean, if he was a troll it'd be different. But he's obviously not. Seriously, it might just be the result of a pet peeve of mine, but wen I come in here and see posts like the following it annoys me to no end.
Yes, despite him being the only one who's not acting like a brick wall.
But it's JuJu! Easy target number 1!
I mean seriously. I won't even get into the rant about how much I hate that word. There a lot of better words to use Cyan. And especially in this situation when JuJu's not really doing anything other than arguing his point.
But once again. It's JuJu…
And now we have a member who's still in his toddler phase. Just a couple months here at the site and he's already attacking JuJu's logic. In a discussion based on a philosophical idea.
And you know, if I had to put my money on it, I'd say he only skimmed through some of the posts. He might have actually read one or two of the shorter ones, but I doubt he's actually read them all.
You know why he's attacking JuJu, right? Because it's the cool thing to do. I mean, all the cool kids are doing it.
Now. I'm going to post this. Then I'm going to regret doing so. Then I'm going to log off and go to bed, as I have a party I have to run tomorrow. I'll get back on tomorrow evening, then if this discussion is still going on, I'll just say screw it and stop paying attention to this thread until I'm actually caught up on the series. If this discussion is over, however...I do the same damn thing, because I mean seriously why the hell am I even here if I'm behind on the series. makes no sense I tell you. I just happened to drop by and got tangled up in this mess.
So yeah...
TL;DR:
Sorry, I couldn't resist. The moment was too perfect.
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What's sad is he's probably right.
Lolz, this is for you Akumu because it's funny. Just like everything you said here.
I especially loved your excellent explanation of all the coincidences that led Naruto and Sasuke to their
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! @Akumu:
! > You have no evidence for anything.Yes we all agree that Naruto is the destined child. JuJu hasn't denied it. All we differ on is how destiny works!
But for some reason no one in this thread can understand this.
! Oh so everything in the entire damn world is only a set of coincidences. From Naruto and Sasuke being distant descendants of the Sage of Six Paths and everything leading up to them fighting eachother to decide the fate of the world? Naruto being chosen by his mother and father to use the kyuubi to defeat Madara one day? All a set of coincidences and definitely not DESTINY.
! Actually your side is the one that lacks evidence. Do you have proof that Naruto's choices are the things shaping destiny? As I said to JuJu, if Naruto is making choices they are ultimately predetermined. Naruto's own feelings about destiny are irrelevant because destiny shapes everything in the entire Naruto world. Whether or not he himself believes in it doesn't matter.
! @Akumu:
! > Or maybe it's just because you all always have to argue with JuJu? Maybe it's because you guys ceaselessly harass him for no real reason.
! Psh, yeah. Why on earth would we want to call out someone on their bullshit when someone says something outright wrong? I mean, let's not get carried away guys.
! @Akumu:
! > Hell back when his account was actually one of the JuJu's he was still being harassed.
! Yeah why it's almost as if HE'S NOT LEARNING FROM ANY OF THIS.
! Why it's almost as if he keeps getting banned because of this very nature.
! @Akumu:
! > Yes he has said some stupid stuff, oh well. Yes, he likes Naruto. So what. You have no right to judge him on that.
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! YES. WE. CAN.
! We can totally hold someone accountable for what they said. That's how a debate works Akumu!
! God you're dumb.
! @Akumu:
! > I have to give him credit. You all harass him like no other yet he keeps returning to this site, why I don't know, and he keeps attempting to have a discussion about a series he likes.
! We do have discussions about Naruto. The problem is since the series is terrible our conversations are usually about how terrible it is.
! Not that we can't be pleased though. Go back a little ways during the Killer Bee and Raikage flashback chapters and you'll see we actually met it with a bit of praise.
! We want this series to be good. But unlike some people we're not going to bullshit ourselves and say it's good.
! @Akumu:
! > I mean, if he was a troll it'd be different. But he's obviously not. Seriously, it might just be the result of a pet peeve of mine, but wen I come in here and see posts like the following it annoys me to no end.
! He might as well be. He's clearly not learning from any of this.
! But if you're bugged by us calling someone out on their bullshit you can always, like, leave and stuff.
! @Akumu:
! > Yes, despite him being the only one who's not acting like a brick wall.But it's JuJu! Easy target number 1!
! …are you seriously saying JuJu isn't a brick wall?
! Yeah Akumu if you want to salvage any dignity, now is the time to leave.Now time to start writing my response to JuJu. Oh how I love insomnia.
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I said its whatever, and changed the subject from destiny. We are on the asspull now. Huh?
Oh no no no.
You don't get to play this card.
YOU wanted to end this since it's obvious that neither side was budging.
I agreed to it.
Then YOU said this:
Yea whatever you say. Anyways you still didn't tell Me the moves Naruto pulled out of his ass.
You either end things or you keep debating. You can't have it both ways.
So. Do YOU want to end it or not? Cause I'm more than happy to dissect your last post. All I need is for you to make up your mind.
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! Oh so everything in the entire damn world is only a set of coincidences. From Naruto and Sasuke being distant descendants of the Sage of Six Paths and everything leading up to them fighting eachother to decide the fate of the world? Naruto being chosen by his mother and father to use the kyuubi to defeat Madara one day? All a set of coincidences and definitely not DESTINY.
! Actually your side is the one that lacks evidence. Do you have proof that Naruto's choices are the things shaping destiny? As I said to JuJu, if Naruto is making choices they are ultimately predetermined. Naruto's own feelings about destiny are irrelevant because destiny shapes everything in the entire Naruto world. Whether or not he himself believes in it doesn't matter.
! Psh, yeah. Why on earth would we want to call out someone on their bullshit when someone says something outright wrong? I mean, let's not get carried away guys.
! Yeah why it's almost as if HE'S NOT LEARNING FROM ANY OF THIS.
! Why it's almost as if he keeps getting banned because of this very nature.
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! YES. WE. CAN.
! We can totally hold someone accountable for what they said. That's how a debate works Akumu!
! God you're dumb.
! We do have discussions about Naruto. The problem is since the series is terrible our conversations are usually about how terrible it is.
! Not that we can't be pleased though. Go back a little ways during the Killer Bee and Raikage flashback chapters and you'll see we actually met it with a bit of praise.
! We want this series to be good. But unlike some people we're not going to bullshit ourselves and say it's good.
! He might as well be. He's clearly not learning from any of this.
! But if you're bugged by us calling someone out on their bullshit you can always, like, leave and stuff.
! ...are you seriously saying JuJu isn't a brick wall?
! Yeah Akumu if you want to salvage any dignity, now is the time to leave.Now time to start writing my response to JuJu. Oh how I love insomnia.
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Oh no no no.
You don't get to play this card.
YOU wanted to end this since it's obvious that neither side was budging.
I agreed to it.
Then YOU said this:
You either end things or you keep debating. You can't have it both ways.
So. Do YOU want to end it or not? Cause I'm more than happy to dissect your last post. All I need is for you to make up your mind.
I already ended things. This is a completely different topic. I want to know the so called asspulls that Naruto did. You have yet to show me one yet.
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Lolz, this is for you Akumu because it's funny. Just like everything you said here.
I especially loved your excellent explanation of all the coincidences that led Naruto and Sasuke to their
fateconfrontation. Very nice. Hey, party hard! =)Lmao where do you find these vids. That was too funny.
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Lol, several sites of argument over a cliched naruto-topic. Not bad. While destiny can be represented as a complex theme with various hidden layers, in this case, its just the stereotypical, basic concept: Naruto was destined to be the greatest and best from the beginning, blabla, etc. It was painfully shown in the second-last chapter.
I agree, I hope we get to see Atleast a portion of Kakashi fight. I am confident he will show the Kages fight through, but I really want to see Rock Lee fight at his fullest.
Im very confident that these fights arent concluded as of yet. If these people would have been defeated, we would have at least seen their sealed bodies.
Its very likely, that while naruto fights, for example the new six paths, other secondary characters are shown defeating the Seven swordsmen of the mist, the various former kages and the rest of the akatsuki-zombies (pein, itachi). It would have been very studid to show lesser fights in great detail and totally skip all the interesting fights. -
I already ended things. This is a completely different topic. I want to know the so called asspulls that Naruto did. You have yet to show me one yet.
Hahahahaha! Would you and Akumu stop arguing this? I'm tired of reading it because it's kinda wrong Juju. Look, this is the post that tried to end it.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=32452&p=2296234&viewfull=1#post2296234
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Post history! After this you pull that crap "I guess we agree then"! Lol, this is why you and Akumu are so funny and I can't help but laugh at any of your posting attempts at this point. You 2 pull this "let's end it guyyzzz1!1" and then continue to argue about it anyway, or at the end say ok, "so we all agree with me right!?"
Pfffffffffft. After I corrected you on us "agreeing" I wasn't debating you, I was debating Akumu who jumped in. You started up with me again.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=32452&p=2296951&viewfull=1#post2296951
Yes, it's that easy to go through old posts. They're only like…2 pages back. Oh, and Jay already pointed out the asspulls. Do you want me to find that post for you too? I'm serious, do you want me to find that post for you to? I will. :)
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Lmao where do you find these vids. That was too funny.
I'm glad you liked it Juju! Your sense of humor is da best! Here's another, a video I think about whenever I read your posts! :D
I hope you enjoy like the others! ^_-
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Outspec what is wrong with you? I am not even talking about it anymore which is why I said " I already ended things". I am trying to change the subject and you guys just won't stop. Let it go, we agree to disagree right?
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lol, tunak tunak tun.
i always thought those guys looked like indian power rangers.
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Lol, several sites of argument over a cliched naruto-topic. Not bad. While destiny can be represented as a complex theme with various hidden layers, in this case, its just the stereotypical, basic concept: Naruto was destined to be the greatest and best from the beginning, blabla, etc. It was painfully shown in the second-last chapter.
Im very confident that these fights arent concluded as of yet. If these people would have been defeated, we would have at least seen their sealed bodies.
Its very likely, that while naruto fights, for example the new six paths, other secondary characters are shown defeating the Seven swordsmen of the mist, the various former kages and the rest of the akatsuki-zombies (pein, itachi). It would have been very studid to show lesser fights in great detail and totally skip all the interesting fights.Exactly, and I think Madara is headed to KB through.
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So you are assuming that Kakashi spent a whole day fighting the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist in which nothing happened? Because that would be bullshit as well. Kishi's written himself into a corner with that. Its far too late for the Seven Swordsmen fight, and far too late to expect anything good of the rest of the secondary characters like Rock Lee as well. Unfortunately, Kishi has shown time and time again that he doesn't care and now that Naruto's entered the scene I doubt the focus will be off him for any significant length of time with the possible exception of Sasuke joining in
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I wonder if the undead Jinchuuriki still somehow have the tailed beasts in them
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So you are assuming that Kakashi spent a whole day fighting the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist in which nothing happened? Because that would be bullshit as well. Kishi's written himself into a corner with that. Its far too late for the Seven Swordsmen fight, and far too late to expect anything good of the rest of the secondary characters like Rock Lee as well. Unfortunately, Kishi has shown time and time again that he doesn't care and now that Naruto's entered the scene I doubt the focus will be off him for any significant length of time with the possible exception of Sasuke joining in
He hasn't written himself in a corner. Naruto chakra will be drained soon. He won't be able to fight the Top rank ninjas. They retreated back because it was dark. I say rock lee gets his fight.
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Outspec what is wrong with you? I am not even talking about it anymore which is why I said " I already ended things". I am trying to change the subject and you guys just won't stop. Let it go, we agree to disagree right?
Juju, I have no idea what you're talking about. why are you pestering me this argument we ended so long ago? It's time to move on man. Hey, didn't you see my video? It was hilarious wasn't it? Well, I thought it was. Silly Juju.
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"Destined Child"
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Juju, I have no idea what you're talking about. why are you pestering me this argument we ended so long ago? It's time to move on man. Hey, didn't you see my video? It was hilarious wasn't it? Well, I thought it was. Silly Juju.
Finally, just calm down and listen. Good boy, your videos are funny. Show me another trick.
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@Badass:
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I new they were destined for something.
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Juju, I have no idea what you're talking about and I don't know why you continue to pester people about this argument we ended so long ago. It's time to move on. Hey, didn't you see my video? It was hilarious wasn't it? Well, I thougt it was. You need to loosen up and just enjoy the videos. They sum everything up quite nicely if you'd look closely. Silly Juju.
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Outspec I am not even responding to anything about that subject anymore, so how am I pestering anyone. I really like the vids, so be a goodboy and fetch another. Ill give you a bone.
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Yes Juju, I'm sure Naruto will get his Chakra drained after achieving nothing and be put out of the fight right after finally entering it. Riiiiiiiiight. This is another stupid way of making things happen. He's written himself into a corner so many times with this war
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Yes Juju, I'm sure Naruto will get his Chakra drained after achieving nothing and be put out of the fight right after finally entering it. Riiiiiiiiight. This is another stupid way of making things happen. He's written himself into a corner so many times with this war
I never said he won't do anything. I said he not beating top rank ninjas just identifying the Zetsu so everyone doesn't get sneak killed.
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The whole direction of this war is painfully obvious at this point. Naruto willb eat down the Zetsus for a while longer, then Madara will monologue a bit on why he wanted Naruto to fight the zetsus or something like that. Then the scene will cut back to Naruto and the Zetsus will use Mokuton to immobilize Naruto, because nobody in the alliance was smart enough to realize that the reason they had Yamato with Naruto in the first place was to control the kyuubi, and Zetsus have the same ability and even dna as Yamato and thus would have the same ability. Naruto gets beat up for a while and then one of two things happen.
1. Naruto gets up and manages to beat them through some asspull explained by his "strong will" or the power of friendship or some shit like that
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2. Someone or some group (likely the konoha 11 ninjas and maybe a few noteworthy people from other villages) come and get a few moments of focus to destroy the Zetsus and clear the path for Naruto since he is the only one who can beat Madara, being Ninja Jesus and alledit: Also, he should be instantly drained and probably dead with that many clones, so even doing something small like identifying the zetsus is stupid. Although it'd be pointless anyways since unless he can kill all the zetsus in a short amount of time they can always sneak in while he's down
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Outspec I am not even responding to anything about that subject anymore, so how am I pestering anyone. I really like the vids, so be a goodboy and fetch another. Ill give you a bone.
Is this anyway to treat a guy who summed up all of your arguments into a series of laughable and ridiculous videos? Juju, is this anyway to treat a guy who has made you laugh? No Juju, you're getting agitated which is in turn making you rude so I suggest you move on and quit pestering me already. I believe you've seen enough of the videoes from me for today. You can thank me later or…hey, you should show me something funny just as long as it isn't another one of your arguments! :D Ok thanks Juju, oh, and remember to keep partying hard!
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Outerspec, stop posting. Your post went through. Its there three times now.
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Can we discuss trying to figure out what Kishi means to adress, if there is any sense to be made out of his storyline now, or any kind of potential moment kishi has forgotten all about?
Aaronrules380, I unfortunetly doubt the zetsus will be all that important as you point out. The Zetsus, are not much of villains since they are being treated the same as most of the characters. They will only pose a threat until Naruto overpowers their supposed "Anti-Bijuu" abilities, which wont really happen more than once I believe. At best, it might trap Bee. And then they'll be out of the picture, only there for the purpose of giving the rest of the characters a reason to be offscreen.
The currently important alliance characters will only be important until they defeat a zombie, like Kakashi and Zabuza, or Raikage and his Father. Maybe then also to display their trust to Jesus- I mean Naruto. Then its right to offscreen for them. I approve never ending each respective battle properly either.
(And ofcourse, dont we all miss Suigetsu and Juugo? They just dissapeared off the list of potential characters with the snap of the fingers.)Question nr.1:
Naruto really just shines out some "warm chakra" exscuse, and his "believe in me but I wont believe in you" logic. This… thing could not even stay where his friends wanted him to be. He couldn't trust them to handle the war that was meant to protect him and began spouting crap about being alone again. He's not anywhere near Luffy wanting to save Ace, he's more like Ace wanting to save everyone else from dying for his sake, spitting on their determination (Ace did object, but from entirely different reasons because he can actually trust in his friends. Naruto cannot).
Ninjas looking for peace in a world of political power play is okay, But why is it that they all just approve of Naruto's methods?Question nr.2:
Now that he's brought out a holy peace destiny for naruto to save the world, do you think Kishi will bother to continue the story once the arc finishes?Question nr.3
If I recall, the world in naruto started out as a political power game between villages, striving for superiority. Which now has been cut down to everyone vs a big baddy.
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Are you kidding me? This chapter made it so abundantly clear the trap Madara was using with the Zetsus that the only way to make it more obvious was to say it
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Yup, and im plainly agreeing with your point there. Would you happen to know any manga that has a serious attitude btw? Im not demanding a major manga with deep story, sharp characters and interesting character developments. Just a story that can take itself seriously and keep its characters consistent.
On the Naruto topic however, there's little point discussing what is known because the manga chapters clearly admit they have no depth. x)
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Everyone should use this to respond to Juju:
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So, Naruto's ability to sense hatred is one of the stupidest things ever. Its not a technique or anything he just does it… somehow. Especially since it only seems to sense hatred from the enemy. Why the hell isn't Naruto sensing it from EVERY single person on the battlefield. The guys on his side hate Madara, they hate some guy on their side who is a jerk (which is extremely likely given the whole animosity between an alliance who had warred with each other for years killing family members and loved ones. And the idea that Gaara's speech could really stop all that hate is even more idiotic), hell maybe they even just hate war. Hatred is far too broad an idea. Even if we accept that Naruto can sense it, that he can take anything from it at all makes no sense. The only way to be free of hate is to just not care about anything and have no opinion on anything. Also, like how an emotion like hatred is portrayed as inherently bad when its really only bad when misdirected, just like any other emotion.
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Agreed. It would have made alot more sense if Kishi had instead of using a hatred detection ability, to using something in this direction:
The Zetsus are compromised of the same DNA as Yamamoto's, and are a powerupgrade to him. Making them essentially impossible to detect by any regular effort if you add in their transforming affinity.
But Naruto is capable of exposing the Zetsus by having them come into contact with his Bijuu chakra. Because it would activate their Mokuton and unveil the transformation.
Yeah, I know it sucks but it could have been a working concept with a bit of effort. Hatred is a very forced point which should in no way unmask every zetsu unless they can only think of bloody murder. x)EDIT: I can see a twist if Naruto makes mistakes with his hatred detection, and starts killing the allies that happen to be pissed off, now that half the total army is gone!
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Actually, would Zetsu's even really feel Hatred? I feel like they're more of the blindly obedient totally loyal soldier types
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Juju, is this anyway to treat someone who has summed up all of your arguments into a series of funny and ridiculous videos? Is this anyway to treat someone who has made you laugh!? I see you thank me by being rude and agitated so move along, and quit pestering about it already. I think you've had enough of the videos from me for one day. You can thank me later. Party hard Juju.
I wasn't being rude, until you went full crazy mode. When you mistakenly thought my response was agreeing with you. I didn't really expect any better behavior from you through. They warned me at the pound that you were hard to train/control, but this is ridiculous. You can't even fetch correctly. SMH I will have to return you back sadly. Here your going away gift since you asked for one.
silly outspec i tried to stop, but doesn't know when to let go. blahhh This is my last reply to you on this subject.The whole direction of this war is painfully obvious at this point. Naruto willb eat down the Zetsus for a while longer, then Madara will monologue a bit on why he wanted Naruto to fight the zetsus or something like that. Then the scene will cut back to Naruto and the Zetsus will use Mokuton to immobilize Naruto, because nobody in the alliance was smart enough to realize that the reason they had Yamato with Naruto in the first place was to control the kyuubi, and Zetsus have the same ability and even dna as Yamato and thus would have the same ability. Naruto gets beat up for a while and then one of two things happen.
1. Naruto gets up and manages to beat them through some asspull explained by his "strong will" or the power of friendship or some shit like that
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2. Someone or some group (likely the konoha 11 ninjas and maybe a few noteworthy people from other villages) come and get a few moments of focus t destroy the Zetsus and clear the path for Naruto since he is the only one who can beat Madara, being Ninja Jesus and alledit: Also, he should be instantly drained and probably dead with that many clones, so even doing something small like identifying the zetsus is stupid. Although it'd be pointless anyways since unless he can kill all the zetsus in a short amount of time they can always sneak in while he's down
Zetsus can do Mokuton? We will see if you theory is right. Just because you have his DNA doesn't mean you can do that move, but we will see.
1. I agree, Naruto will get his ass kicked and persevere for the last KO like every shonen character , but i disagree about it happening against Zetsu. This is mostly standard shonen thing. The hero must likly will get his ass beat until something gets them going.(Something always happen to the main characters to get that out for a while. For example, Luffy getting stuck in various places)
2. I disagree, I think Naruto will be MIA for a while after the zetsu situation.(No chakra) We will see the Gaara/Onooki fight the other Kages. He will also show other battles, maybe Rock Lee, until Naruto recovers. I do think he will skip some battles through. (It will take forever to cover every single characters battle. The anime should expand through)
3. You have completely ignored Kabuto/Edos in your theory. Most of the most dangerous Edos have yet to join the party.(Itachi,Pein,Kages, and Kabuto himself.
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mangastream.com/read/naruto/57765310/4
I doubt we're going to see any major fights for the supporting characters if we couldn't even see Kakashi vs the seven swordsman
I wasn't going through the whole war. Sasuke and the Edo Zombies come later, although I get the feeling that most of the edo zombies will just be ignored and they'll just say in some summary that they were all sealed or killed by friendship or whateverAlso, the DNA does mean you can use it. We knew that since Yamato's introduction, and its obvious anyway since its a technique that gets passed down through the family. Which really makes me ask why they never showed Tsunade using it, but that's probably because her being the granddaughter of the first was an afterthought in designing her character
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mangastream.com/read/naruto/57765310/4
I doubt we're going to see any major fights for the supporting characters if we couldn't even see Kakashi vs the seven swordsman
I wasn't going through the whole war. Sasuke and the Edo Zombies come later, although I get the feeling that most of the edo zombies will just be ignored and they'll just say in some summary that they were all sealed or killed by friendship or whateverAlso, the DNA does mean you can use it. We knew that since Yamato's introduction, and its obvious anyway since its a technique that gets passed down through the family. Which really makes me ask why they never showed Tsunade using it, but that's probably because her being the granddaughter of the first was an afterthought in designing her character
Yamato is the only one who uses it. Madara has the 1st cells in him and hasn't shown the ability. Zetsu hasn't showed it either, but only jutsus that have to do with the forest. I wouldn't say that's it out of the realm of possibility through. Tsaunde can't just use it because she never practice it. I think they talked about the first has soon has she was introduced.
Other people will get to fight
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@RobbyBevard:
Outerspec, stop posting. Your post went through. Its there three times now.
My fault, I was posting from my phone and it acts up sometimes so I couldn't see if my post went through.
I wasn't being rude, until you went full crazy mode. When you mistakenly thought my response was agreeing with you. I didn't really expect any better behavior from you through. They warned me at the pound that you were hard to train/control, but this is ridiculous. You can't even fetch correctly. SMH I will have to return you back sadly. Here your going away gift since you asked for one.
silly outspec i tried to stop, but doesn't know when to let go. blahhh This is my last reply to you on this subject.Juju, I didn't realize you were this stupid and rather too late I've come to understand why people demean you on this forum.After you said "I guess we agree then" I mistakenly thought you were agreeing with me? I don't know how that happened. Now you're ranting about finding me in a dog pound because that's…the best you have I suppose. You're an idiot Juju, plain and simple.–-----------------------------------------------------------
Anyway! :D Happy 4th of July everybody~
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My fault, I was posting from my phone and it acts up sometimes so I couldn't see if my post went through.
Juju, I didn't realize you were this stupid and rather too late I've come to understand why people demean you on this forum.
After you said "I guess we agree then" I mistakenly thought you were agreeing with me? I don't know how that happened. Now you're ranting about finding me in a dog pound because that's…the best you have I suppose. You're an idiot Juju, plain and simple.
Anyway! :D Happy 4th of July everybody~
Ok let's just agree to stop right here K
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Can we discuss trying to figure out what Kishi means to adress, if there is any sense to be made out of his storyline now, or any kind of potential moment kishi has forgotten all about?
Kishi means to address how peace can be brought to the Ninja World. A world of violence, revenge, deceit, and constant wars/rivalries. That's what Kishi is ultimately building up to, how to stop the cycle of revenge which is basically a ninja's way of life.
Question nr.1:
Naruto really just shines out some "warm chakra" exscuse, and his "believe in me but I wont believe in you" logic. This… thing could not even stay where his friends wanted him to be. He couldn't trust them to handle the war that was meant to protect him and began spouting crap about being alone again. He's not anywhere near Luffy wanting to save Ace, he's more like Ace wanting to save everyone else from dying for his sake, spitting on their determination (Ace did object, but from entirely different reasons because he can actually trust in his friends. Naruto cannot).
Ninjas looking for peace in a world of political power play is okay, But why is it that they all just approve of Naruto's methods?Truth be told it was good and convenient Naruto came out to fight because he's the only one who could root out the disguised Zetsu's. Without Naruto the alliance would have fallen apart soon enough. No matter how dumb and selfish Naruto may act he's a good and powerful asset to the Allied Force.
Question nr.2:
Now that he's brought out a holy peace destiny for naruto to save the world, do you think Kishi will bother to continue the story once the arc finishes?Well, it depends on when Kishi wants Naruto to save the world and fulfill his destiny. It could be at the end of the war but the final battle has to be between Naruto and Sasuke. I can't see the manga ending anyway else. If Kishi decides to keep the manga going after the war, which strangely I can see him doing, then the final Naruto vs. Sasuke confrontation probably won't happen at the end of this war. Kishi will probably make up some new badguys and plot for Naruto to fight and yada yada yada.
Question nr.3
If I recall, the world in naruto started out as a political power game between villages, striving for superiority. Which now has been cut down to everyone vs a big baddy.
What could have been worse about this war now that we've come to this basic battle of good vs evil?Lol, yeah it kinda started out like that and with years of deep seated hate and blood running between villages. It was a lot more interesting that way. That was all changed though when they found a common and very real threat though. What could have been worse about this war? I don't know, Kishi is screwing it up pretty badly. I guess if Kishi resurrected a bunch of old characters turning them into lifeless zombies and started to mishandle them throughout this entire war ruining any good memory we had of them. Oh wait…
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Ok let's just agree to stop right here K
Happy 4thYou know what? Now I feel bad. I'll take back calling you stupid because it's such a good day and you didn't say anything stupid in response. But damn you are annoying!!! Lol, yeah happy 4th.
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Yamato is the only one who uses it. Madara has the 1st cells in him and hasn't shown the ability. Zetsu hasn't showed it either, but only jutsus that have to do with the forest. I wouldn't say that's it out of the realm of possibility through. Tsaunde can't just use it because she never practice it. I think they talked about the first has soon has she was introduced.
Other people will get to fight
Did you look at the link? It specifically says he can use mokuton as well.
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Did you look at the link? It specifically says he can use mokuton as well.
The link didn't work, but I found it. I still think they could be referring to his forest theme jutsu. I don't think they have control like the first did to control it. You have a good point through. I could see something like that happening, but I doubt it.
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Ah, sorry. Heres a working link http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/57765310/4. read the middle panel
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Kishi means to address how peace can be brought to the Ninja World. A world of violence, revenge, deceit, and constant wars/rivalries. That's what Kishi is ultimately building up to, how to stop the cycle of revenge which is basically a ninja's way of life.
Well yeah I suppose I already knew he was going to show us the morals of bringing peace to a multitude of villages that had previously been in a power game with each other become forced to ally against a common foe and get a lecture about world peace from a person that would not listen to them in return.
Question nr.1:
@Outerspec:Truth be told it was good and convenient Naruto came out to fight because he's the only one who could root out the disguised Zetsu's. Without Naruto the alliance would have fallen apart soon enough. No matter how dumb and selfish Naruto may act he's a good and powerful asset to the Allied Force.
Good and Convenient it might be for you, I myself would have doubts. If Kishi is any sort of a consistent writer (which he now starts to show he lacks in), the Zetsus were already baiting Naruto out by using a transformation that would copy the person in every way. I still place my bets Naruto just doomed the alliance by showing up, even if he's the "last resort nuke" from a line wars game.
I mean, Sakura and Tsunade were already inspecting a Zetsu they had discovered. given a bit of time, they would have developed their own anti-zetsu disguise methods. Naruto showing up simply made it easier for them, not necessarily saving their asses.
Whatever happened to Kakashi's lecture about "dead bodies holding valuable information"?Question nr.2:
@Outerspec:Well, it depends on when Kishi wants Naruto to save the world and fulfill his destiny. It could be at the end of the war but the final battle has to be between Naruto and Sasuke. I can't see the manga ending anyway else. If Kishi decides to keep the manga going after the war, which strangely I can see him doing, then the final Naruto vs. Sasuke confrontation probably won't happen at the end of this war. Kishi will probably make up some new badguys and plot for Naruto to fight and yada yada yada.
According to my feel, the order will go down "Madara, Sasuke, Madara (End)". Sasuke is just a tool of pain that madara is exploiting, Dohohoho.
Really though, I dont want to see kishi continue to degrade his once powerful concepts with a jesus model trying to bring peace to the world. Ninjas struggling for peace is just not the most inspiring concept to me.Question nr.3:
@Outerspec:Lol, yeah it kinda started out like that and with years of deep seated hate and blood running between villages. It was a lot more interesting that way. That was all changed though when they found a common and very real threat though. What could have been worse about this war? I don't know, Kishi is screwing it up pretty badly. I guess if Kishi resurrected a bunch of old characters turning them into lifeless zombies and started to mishandle them throughout this entire war ruining any good memory we had of them. Oh wait…
Yeah, like I thought. I loved Naruto's storyline because it was essentially a power game between the villages, it made the corresponding village hard to understand and follow, which in turn made them much more interesting. But sadly, Kishi decided to develop Sasuke and Naruto instead of the power game the story was fueled by, and I believe thats where the series started to go downwards from. Especially since Ninjas and peace dont exactly go hand in hand either.
Naruto: Im a ninja, but im wearing an orange jumpsuit, never shuts up, always tells people to believe in me but I cant trust them in return, I want to save Sasuke, protect the village and bring peace to the world of shinobi by beating the crap out of hateful leftovers who's hate I can feel because of Plotkai (Madara and Zetsu).
Yeah, he's the epitome of a ninja and a peace bringer isnt he?Looking at it this way on the other hand, shows that ninjas live in a world where peace is impossible because, I did not forget that their jobs as ninjas rely on missions provided by clients and this can include assassinations. In another meaning, unless the Ninja villages all disband, these people will never see peace because of their role as a ninja. The lifestyle of a ninja brings war and hate to begin with, so just aiming for a simple peace conviction will not work at all.
Its the same as saying the people of Earth can just forget their current political standings and discard the military and dance hand in hand with each other. its not really as simple as having a jesus variation tell us the importance of peace, because it cant be attained in the political sense. Naruto cannot bring peace in any consistency right now, because he isn't doing anything about the political structure of the ninja world he lives in. Infact he is aiming to become Hokage, which really clashes with his stated intentions of bringing peace. Better just realize Peace cannot be achieved until the political situation decrees it.Everyone allying against a common foe does not mean that political struggle can just be forgotten and disregarded. If that is what Kishi aims for, then he really has a twisted sense of peace. Which in turn makes Naruto a hypocrite that does not want to bring peace at all, just have everyone's faith for a short duration.
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Hope we get an explanation for Naruto using his bushin while in fox mode but anyway it seems like he is falling into Madara's trap… looks like they all are as a matter of fact... to me it look like Tobi could end this war now if he wanted to
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do we have a version of that for Madara?
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Well yeah I suppose I already knew he was going to show us the morals of bringing peace to a multitude of villages that had previously been in a power game with each other become forced to ally against a common foe and get a lecture about world peace from a person that would not listen to them in return.
Question nr.1:
Good and Convenient it might be for you, I myself would have doubts. If Kishi is any sort of a consistent writer (which he now starts to show he lacks in), the Zetsus were already baiting Naruto out by using a transformation that would copy the person in every way. I still place my bets Naruto just doomed the alliance by showing up, even if he's the "last resort nuke" from a line wars game.
I mean, Sakura and Tsunade were already inspecting a Zetsu they had discovered. given a bit of time, they would have developed their own anti-zetsu disguise methods. Naruto showing up simply made it easier for them, not necessarily saving their asses.
Whatever happened to Kakashi's lecture about "dead bodies holding valuable information"?Question nr.2:
According to my feel, the order will go down "Madara, Sasuke, Madara (End)". Sasuke is just a tool of pain that madara is exploiting, Dohohoho.
Really though, I dont want to see kishi continue to degrade his once powerful concepts with a jesus model trying to bring peace to the world. Ninjas struggling for peace is just not the most inspiring concept to me.Question nr.3:
Yeah, like I thought. I loved Naruto's storyline because it was essentially a power game between the villages, it made the corresponding village hard to understand and follow, which in turn made them much more interesting. But sadly, Kishi decided to develop Sasuke and Naruto instead of the power game the story was fueled by, and I believe thats where the series started to go downwards from. Especially since Ninjas and peace dont exactly go hand in hand either.
Naruto: Im a ninja, but im wearing an orange jumpsuit, never shuts up, always tells people to believe in me but I cant trust them in return, I want to save Sasuke, protect the village and bring peace to the world of shinobi by beating the crap out of hateful leftovers who's hate I can feel because of Plotkai (Madara and Zetsu).
Yeah, he's the epitome of a ninja and a peace bringer isnt he?Looking at it this way on the other hand, shows that ninjas live in a world where peace is impossible because, I did not forget that their jobs as ninjas rely on missions provided by clients and this can include assassinations. In another meaning, unless the Ninja villages all disband, these people will never see peace because of their role as a ninja. The lifestyle of a ninja brings war and hate to begin with, so just aiming for a simple peace conviction will not work at all.
Its the same as saying the people of Earth can just forget their current political standings and discard the military and dance hand in hand with each other. its not really as simple as having a jesus variation tell us the importance of peace, because it cant be attained in the political sense. Naruto cannot bring peace in any consistency right now, because he isn't doing anything about the political structure of the ninja world he lives in. Infact he is aiming to become Hokage, which really clashes with his stated intentions of bringing peace. Better just realize Peace cannot be achieved until the political situation decrees it.Everyone allying against a common foe does not mean that political struggle can just be forgotten and disregarded. If that is what Kishi aims for, then he really has a twisted sense of peace. Which in turn makes Naruto a hypocrite that does not want to bring peace at all, just have everyone's faith for a short duration.
Political standings will remain, even if faith is bought temporarily by inspiration.Imo Naruto can only bring peace for a few years or however long he lives. Humans are naturally violent creatures. It will only take a disagreement on a subject that could start another war. Also new Kages who replaces the current ones could have an agenda to cause conflict. Even in real-life when we formed an alliance, it only lasted so long after defeating Germany. Peace is impossible in the real world, so I dont know how long it would last for a bunch of killing machines.
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Imo Naruto can only bring peace for a few years or however long he lives. Humans are naturally violent creatures. It will only take a disagreement on a subject that could start another war. Also new Kages who replaces the current ones could have an agenda to cause conflict. Even in real-life when we formed an alliance, it only lasted so long after defeating Germany. Peace is impossible in the real world, so I dont know how long it would last for a bunch of killing machines.
You are right, but only about half right. Humans are not naturally violent creatures, because we are in basic social pack animals with intelligence to use tools. But like most pack animals, we can get violent when our social ranking is at stake, or when we want to rise in power. Humans naturally strive for power and influence because its our instinct to do so. Giving that up would be giving up your desires, and giving up your desires would mean giving yourself up.
In this sense, peace is at best a verbal agreement to lay down arms and rest. What Naruto is trying to establish is a forced peace through forced plot development through forced characters and through a basic battle of good vs evil. This Alliance is no different. Its a verbal agreement to lay down arms between one another and work against a common enemy. Naruto simply wants everyone to give up their desires and bow down to his idea of peace, because he refuses to believe in anyone else who opposes his notion.
Anyhow.
One thing I definitely think could make this whole story worse, is if we see Gaara stand face to face with his dad, and he'd start talking crap like this:
Kazekage: Gaara, I just put that sand incarnate on you to protect you from the elders that wanted you dead. I Love you as father, believe in me!
Gaara: Dad! tearsIf that happens, you know you can expect me to be laughing loud enough to get kicked out of my apartment. x)
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You are right, but only about half right. Humans are not naturally violent creatures, because we are in basic social pack animals with intelligence to use tools. But like most pack animals, we can get violent when our social ranking is at stake, or when we want to rise in power. Humans naturally strive for power and influence because its our instinct to do so. Giving that up would be giving up your desires, and giving up your desires would mean giving yourself up.
In this sense, peace is at best a verbal agreement to lay down arms and rest. What Naruto is trying to establish is a forced peace through forced plot development through forced characters and through a basic battle of good vs evil. This Alliance is no different. Its a verbal agreement to lay down arms between one another and work against a common enemy. Naruto simply wants everyone to give up their desires and bow down to his idea of peace, because he refuses to believe in anyone else who opposes his notion.
Anyhow.
One thing I definitely think could make this whole story worse, is if we see Gaara stand face to face with his dad, and he'd start talking crap like this:
Kazekage: Gaara, I just put that sand incarnate on you to protect you from the elders that wanted you dead. I Love you as father, believe in me!
Gaara: Dad! tearsIf that happens, you know you can expect me to be laughing loud enough to get kicked out of my apartment. x)
I don't think its a good vs evil thing because the other villages have been doing things that could be evil for a while including the leaf. They just don't want to die, so they teamed up. Naruto doesn't really know how to achieve peace either. Look at the pain arc, but peace sure isnt killing someone. Kishi tried to show that when Pain killed everyone Naruto cared about, but Naruto looked the other way. Naruto says he will try to bring peace. Naruto still can't answer Nagatos question, but he is stubborn and will never give up.
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That's honestly the most painful thing about this series. Naruto and Sasuke need to die at the end of this, I don't see this working out any other way.
Sasuke is irredeemable, I know Kishi is probably going to try and make us feel sorry for him. I can't though, his logic was stupid, and his blatant disregard for Kakashi's warning is why he's in this mess. I'll never understand why he wants to kill the people who care about him, and not just the people responsible for his clan's demise. You can't go back being buddy buddy after this, or it will just seemed forced and silly IMO.
Naruto would end up getting Konoha killed unless he has the advisor of a god (whom he wouldn't listen to anyway).