The Strawhat's are going to need a cabin boy (or boys) like Roger's crew. Momonosuke would fit that position well, me thinks.
Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2
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@The:
The Strawhat's are going to need a cabin boy (or boys) like Roger's crew. Momonosuke would fit that position well, me thinks.
Why are they going to need that?
Chopper kind of already fits the "naive and starry eyed younger than everyone" role anyway. -
Well…no reason really... Just there's a lot of similarities between Roger and Luffy, and I think there should be/is a lot of similarities between their crews; a passing of the generation, so to speak (a common theme in shonen, One Piece being no exception).
Though we don't really have enough information regarding Roger's crew yet, other than him being the Pirate King, Rayleigh being the first mate/swordsman, and Buggy and Shanks being cabin boys.
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@The:
Well…no reason really... Just there's a lot of similarities between Roger and Luffy, and I think there should be/is a lot of similarities between their crews; a passing of the generation, so to speak (a common theme in shonen, One Piece being no exception).
Roger's crew had a ton of random dudes on it. There's already not a lot of similarities.
I already think Oda has twisted that theme some from the norm anyway.
In a normal shonen Roger would have somehow been Luffy's dad (or Shanks).
Instead we have DRAGON lol. Stomping all over the normal tropes.Though we don't really have enough information regarding Roger's crew yet, other than him being the Pirate King, Rayleigh being the first mate/swordsman, and Buggy and Shanks being cabin boys.
We saw them in Volume 3, didn't look much like the Strawhts. Lots of grunts.
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If Oda is still going to use the cards theme, the "Ace" card could be related to the last events.
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If Oda is still going to use the cards theme, the "Ace" card could be related to the last events.
I remember people calling that Ace was the Spade seat rep (given that he was the captain of the Spade pirates) and was affiliated with DD when people were suspicious of Mingo's card theme.
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I remember people calling that Ace was the Spade seat rep (given that he was the captain of the Spade pirates) and was affiliated with DD when people were suspicious of Mingo's card theme.
It would make sense because the name fits perfectly into Dofla's organisation (Heart pirates - Spade pirates), but I can't see Ace going into this. However Dofla is somehow related to Ace with the fire Devil Fruit so who knows (although it shouldn't be too hard for Dofla to get his hands on a DF).
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It does fit in with everything around Mingo. But its weird that during the Marinford war, the only interaction Mingo had with Ace was when he told Momonga to "let them go, it'll be funner that way".
He certainly won't think its fun when a Yonko attacks his kingdom because of Luffy and Law.
Unless the reason why Law saved Luffy was because Ace had helped Law escape from Mingo when he left the organization to challenge Whitebeard. :wassat:
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Ace was a hot blood pirate who wanted to beat the shit out of every one out there before getting stomped by Witebeard. He surely wasn't working for anyone.
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Spade Pirates was a play on Ace's name NOT on a fricking empty chair we see two years after his death. And the name, Ace, came from Roger not Mingo! We see that when Rouge say that Roger wanted his son named Ace. [hide] [/hide]
So one really wants to go far back and grasp straws, one can say the Spade Pirates got their name due to Roger NOT Mingo!When Ace entered the New World he went of to meet Shanks, then attacked Whitebeard. I doubt he worked for Mingo. Some wondered how Mingo got hold of the Mera Mera no Mi? Pretty simple, he suspected the chance of Ace surviving pretty low and had a fruit on his person on the battle field so when Ace died, the DF would go to the nearest fruit to reform…which would be on Mingo's person.
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Jinbe meets up with Big Mom, who captures him. Kidd/Apoo/Hawkins show up and attempt to take down Big Mom, but are either stuck in a stalemate or are defeated by some way Kidd calls "cheap." Luffy and Law end up freeing Jinbe and the KAH alliance, and they all take down Big Mom.
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So I had an idea about Dofla being a Celestial Dragon. Perhaps, rather than being some sort of exile or something, he was the kid of a celestial dragon but not raised as such. We've already seen the celestial dragons kidnapping women and pretty much forcing them to go with them, so the idea that something like that could lead to a kid isn't too farfetched. From there, we could say either that Dofla was abandoned at first, or that perhaps his mother (who probably hated the CDs if my theory is correct) found some way to smuggle him out of Mariejois as a baby/small child, either escaping herself, or only getting him free. From there, DOfla lives a life unaware of his ancestry (Probably becoming a pirate in this time), until at some point he discovers the truth. At this point, the world nobles cover up his identity to protect their reputation, but Dofla still gains access to the privileges of a CD.
One problem I have with the idea he might be an exile or something is that it seems odd that an exile would still have the powers of a normal world noble. TO me, this theory both explains why he has the powers of a CD without their typical traits, as well as explains that picture of him in his childhood
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He could be part of a main branch of the celestial dragon families. Would explain his privileges, i seriously doubt just any world noble could have that much influence.
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According to your theory everything in relation to Mingo somehow applies to the card game.So far it looks reasonable. I'll add to your theory since you weren't clear on where Kaido falls into.
Ok so back in PH we saw many underworld brokers some familiar and some completely new. But the one everyone is speculating on is the one referred to as "Jack".
It was said that if he were informed of what had happened (CC being defeated) then the situation would turn really bad. However we haven't heard anything else from him.
Theorizing that Kaido is in fact "Jack", than we could say that Jack is his alias or epithet.
Kaido is a Yonko that recites in the New World we know he has a deal with Mingo for SAD(synthetic zoan devil fruits) so he is already involved with the underworld affairs.
Kaido lives in a winter island, and is said to be a creature. In norse/viking mythology there is a being that is called 'Jack Frost'. He is described as an elf like creature that is responsible for the harshest of winters. He is also know to be mischievous and evil in nature.
My theory would make sense to me if he had eaten the Ice or Snow DF. However both are taken by Kuzan and Monet. Even if Monet had "died" it would take a while for the DF to be reborn and Kaido has been living in the winter island for longer than 3 years.
So whats the next best reasonable DF for Kaido? Maybe the blizzard DF , it'd be a parallel to WB's earthquake DF as both as regarded as the strongest in there class. And probably an overpowered mixture of both the ice and snow logia DFs.
Following that theory we know we will eventually be introduced to Elbaf (as someone pointed out Elbaf backwards is 'Fable',elves and fairies) the land of the giants(who resemble vikings).
And just for the hell of it, I'll predict that Kaido is a snowman that had a DF placed on him(Frosty the Snowman). Fuck you Strelok in advance
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You know, this is a great theory and I like it. But I think it fits a lot better in here: -
Well played doggy ….well played.....
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Anyone come up with a "Sabo is Dofla" Yet? Or would that be more suited for the other thread.
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@Croco~Boy:
According to your theory everything in relation to Mingo somehow applies to the card game.So far it looks reasonable. I'll add to your theory since you weren't clear on where Kaido falls into.
Ok so back in PH we saw many underworld brokers some familiar and some completely new. But the one everyone is speculating on is the one referred to as "Jack".
It was said that if he were informed of what had happened (CC being defeated) then the situation would turn really bad. However we haven't heard anything else from him.
Theorizing that Kaido is in fact "Jack", than we could say that Jack is his alias or epithet.
Why would Kaidou be a card of which there are four, and below twelve other cards, plus one if we count (and we should) Joker.
But this is silly, because Kaidou won't be a card. Because the cards are Dofla's people…
Kaido lives in a winter island,
And when did Oda inform you of this that the rest of us didn't hear?
My theory would make sense to me if he had eaten the Ice or Snow DF. However both are taken by Kuzan and Monet. Even if Monet had "died" it would take a while for the DF to be reborn and Kaido has been living in the winter island for longer than 3 years.
Kaidou isn't living in a winter island at all so far as we know.
Also you can't take TWO themes from "Jack", stick with one. Is it the cards, or the snow myth.
Which is moot because Kaidou will definitely not be a card subordinate of Dofla.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Anyone come up with a "Sabo is Dofla" Yet? Or would that be more suited for the other thread.
No one should come up with that because…
1. Sabo is a noble, not a world noble. Please tell me you realize there's a difference.
2. Doflamingo is 41 years old, in fact we saw him at Roger's execution. -
@Croco~Boy:
Kaido lives in a winter island
It hasn't been confirmed where Kaidou hangs out, only that the winter island you're talking about (with Scotch and Drake right?) is his "favorite" island.
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Kaido lives in a winter island and yes winter is coming..lol
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@zeff:
Kaido lives in a winter island and yes winter is coming..lol
What source do you have?
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True WE don't know where he "lives", but we do know he affiliates himself with the winter island that revolves around his name. For X-Drake to look for Kaido on that winter island can give some indications to his whereabouts.
Although it'd be pretty pathetic if anyone can enter the New World and easily make it onto his ground. Well anyways just a theory with some valid points, nothing to take serious.
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@Croco~Boy:
True WE don't know where he "lives", but we do know he affiliates himself with the winter island that revolves around his name.
What does that winter island have to do with his name?
And a Yonkou affiliating with an island? Goodness that's unremarkable.
One of the biggest things we know about the Yonkou is that they have large territories, meaning most likely tons of islands that they control in some way. Like pirate EMPIRES basically. Kaidou most likely has many islands, thinking Oda's already shown us the most important is silly.For X-Drake to look for Kaido on that winter island can give some indications to his whereabouts.
Look for him? People don't have that kind of choice on the Grand Line, even if the New World gives you three anonymous choices. All you know is danger levels. Unless Drake got an Eternal Pose he likely encountered that island early on. Which makes it really doubtful that it's that important to Kaido aside from him enjoying it. The way Oda wrote that scene really just made it seem like a place Kaidou probably keeps around to hang out on, not any place of strategic importance. And that Drake was declaring war on Kaidou by fucking up one of his places, and some of his henchmen.
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I knew that was coming!
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Another theory:
I think someone may have brought up a similar theory in the past, but I can't seem to remember. The theory revolves around what Kaido did to Wano, why Kinemon, his friend, and Momo were chased by Doflamingo's men/Kaido's men, and why Kinemon and Momo seem to have a past with Hundred-Beasts Kaido.
What if Kaido and his armada came and seized the land of Wano from the Shogun and the samurai? What if once they seized Wano Country from the Shogun and the samurai they, more or less, destroyed the samurai culture, and replaced it with his apparent technological/steampunk theme? There could be an underground resistance of samurai, possibly led by the exiled Shogun, who are adhering to the ancient, isolation customs of Wano (that it's said to have), and are trying to oppose the new ruler appointed by Kaido. Maybe Kaido and his armada do this to every island/nation their seize, destroy it's culture and convert its people–enslaving/killing those who resist the conversion; maybe this is the reason there's a revolution on the currently unnamed snow island he controls (we did see construction going on on the island pre-timeskip, this could have been the beginning of the conversion there).
This idea about Wano Country (etc) popped in my head, because didn't something very similar happen to Japan in the real world to the real samurai, or am I just imagining shit from the movie The Last Samurai? lol
I'm thinking Kinemon, his friend (who could be the Shogun himself), and Momonosuke fled Wano because the resistance was all-but crushed by Kaido's forces. Maybe they were sent to get help from somebody or something, and got intercepted by Doflamingo's/Kaido's forces, by order of Kaido himself, of course.
Also. I think by the end of the Wano Country arc, because one is coming up for sure, the Shogun will realize Wano Country can't remain isolationists forever, no matter how much they want to keep to themselves and their customs etc. I'm thinking after the arc, they are going to have greater contact with the outside world; for protection and other purposes. It will basically be a parallel of Japan become far less isolationist in the real world, a pretty big part of their history/the history of the world.
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@The:
What if Kaido and his armada came and seized the land of Wano from the Shogun and the samurai? What if once they seized Wano Country from the Shogun and the samurai they, more or less, destroyed the samurai culture, and replaced it with his apparent technological/steampunk theme? There could be an underground resistance of samurai, possibly led by the exiled Shogun, who are adhering to the ancient, isolation customs of Wano (that it's said to have), and are trying to oppose the new ruler appointed by Kaido. Maybe Kaido and his armada do this to every island/nation their seize, destroy it's culture and convert its people–enslaving/killing those who resist the conversion; maybe this is the reason there's a revolution on the currently unnamed snow island he controls (we did see construction going on on the island pre-timeskip, this could have been the beginning of the conversion there).
This idea about Wano Country (etc) popped in my head, because didn't something very similar happen to Japan in the real world to the real samurai, or am I just imagining shit from the movie The Last Samurai? lol
That's not very similar to reality at all. What happened in Japan in that time was basically a civil war over how to approach the facts of modernization and facing the outside world that the country could no longer ignore.
It was the Shogun's forces vs. forces trying to restore the monarchy as actual power (as opposed to just being a puppet).
The Shogun's side lost, and the new powers quickly renegotiated Japan's situation with outside powers (though they had to drop their desire to return to isolationism because reality).After that happened the new power knew Japan had to modernize and fast if it didn't want to get taken over and generally fucked by Europeans/America (China had been having the worst century ever across the sea to the west, Japan clearly noticed).
And part of modernization meant ending the samurai's station in society as basically nobility in a feudal type system. And a bunch of samurai rebelled, and got crushed. And good.
Japan went on to pretty much catch up with the world powers, and kicked Russia and China's asses on the way in.So if you're trying to draw a comparison to rl:
-The Shogunate was not anti-isolationism.
-It was pressured by outside, but all civil war and civil dispute.
-Oda doesn't exactly seem like a far-right nut job (quite the opposite) so I doubt we're going to see a GLORY TO SAMURAI TRADITIONS AGAINST MODERNITY theme.
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The only thing that makes me think Doflamingo might not be a Tenryuubito is that Law has no idea that whoever Doflamingo secretly works for had the power to lie to the world about Moria dying during the war at Marineford.
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@Croco~Boy:
According to your theory everything in relation to Mingo somehow applies to the card game.So far it looks reasonable. I'll add to your theory since you weren't clear on where Kaido falls into.
Ok so back in PH we saw many underworld brokers some familiar and some completely new. But the one everyone is speculating on is the one referred to as "Jack".
It was said that if he were informed of what had happened (CC being defeated) then the situation would turn really bad. However we haven't heard anything else from him.
Theorizing that Kaido is in fact "Jack", than we could say that Jack is his alias or epithet.
Kaido is a Yonko that recites in the New World we know he has a deal with Mingo for SAD(synthetic zoan devil fruits) so he is already involved with the underworld affairs.
Kaido lives in a winter island, and is said to be a creature. In norse/viking mythology there is a being that is called 'Jack Frost'. He is described as an elf like creature that is responsible for the harshest of winters. He is also know to be mischievous and evil in nature.
My theory would make sense to me if he had eaten the Ice or Snow DF. However both are taken by Kuzan and Monet. Even if Monet had "died" it would take a while for the DF to be reborn and Kaido has been living in the winter island for longer than 3 years.
So whats the next best reasonable DF for Kaido? Maybe the blizzard DF , it'd be a parallel to WB's earthquake DF as both as regarded as the strongest in there class. And probably an overpowered mixture of both the ice and snow logia DFs.
Following that theory we know we will eventually be introduced to Elbaf (as someone pointed out Elbaf backwards is 'Fable',elves and fairies) the land of the giants(who resemble vikings).
And just for the hell of it, I'll predict that Kaido is a snowman that had a DF placed on him(Frosty the Snowman). Fuck you Strelok in advance
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You know, this is a great theory and I like it. But I think it fits a lot better in here:I'd say this is appropriate: http://tinyurl.com/wheregoodtheoriesgo
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Wondering about Jack, he seems to be an ally of some kind to Doflamingo so maybe in the hierachy he could be Kaidou, as he seems to be the client for the SAD.
But in keeping with the card theme it may have something to do with the phrase 'One-Eyed Jack'. The only introduced character I can think of that fits is Shanks. I know he's not blinded but his scars & jolly roger suggest it. And some people say 'always bet on red'.
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Wondering about Jack, he seems to be an ally of some kind to Doflamingo so maybe in the hierachy he could be Kaidou, as he seems to be the client for the SAD.
But in keeping with the card theme it may have something to do with the phrase 'One-Eyed Jack'. The only introduced character I can think of that fits is Shanks. I know he's not blinded but his scars & jolly roger suggest it. And some people say 'always bet on red'.
Keeping with the card theme there would be four Jacks ranked under the four suits. None of whom would be Kaidou or Shanks.
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Jack, Joker… King is empty as role (pirate king perhaps?). "Ace" died but lives on (mera mera no mi). Great playing card theme in my mind.
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@Monkey:
Keeping with the card theme there would be four Jacks ranked under the four suits. None of whom would be Kaidou or Shanks.
It depends where Oda's pushing the theme. In Euchre the jack trumps everything. Euchre also introduced jokers into the game and is a variant of bridge. We have a bridge there…
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So I had an idea about Dofla being a Celestial Dragon. Perhaps, rather than being some sort of exile or something, he was the kid of a celestial dragon but not raised as such. We've already seen the celestial dragons kidnapping women and pretty much forcing them to go with them, so the idea that something like that could lead to a kid isn't too farfetched. From there, we could say either that Dofla was abandoned at first, or that perhaps his mother (who probably hated the CDs if my theory is correct) found some way to smuggle him out of Mariejois as a baby/small child, either escaping herself, or only getting him free. From there, DOfla lives a life unaware of his ancestry (Probably becoming a pirate in this time), until at some point he discovers the truth. At this point, the world nobles cover up his identity to protect their reputation, but Dofla still gains access to the privileges of a CD.
One problem I have with the idea he might be an exile or something is that it seems odd that an exile would still have the powers of a normal world noble. TO me, this theory both explains why he has the powers of a CD without their typical traits, as well as explains that picture of him in his childhood
I had a similar theory myself. Doflamingo might be the child of a tenryubito-slave-relationship and his mother fled mariejois to keep him safe(the tenryubito would've probably killed him when he was still a baby to save their reputation). Years later Doflamingo became an infamous pirate and got his bounty. I think Doffy got his shichibukai-title and his privileges in exchange for keeping his mouth shut about his ancestry. This also explains why he doesn't mind quitting the shichibukai anytime(like he told that government guy after the war).
I think there is also the possibility that his father is one of the gorosei instead of a tenryubito.
I wonder if his relation to the tenryubito has anything to do with him becoming king of dressrosa.
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This is about Doflamingo and Jewelry Bonney.
Doflamingo's past is much more deep rooted than simply being a world noble, as he said so himself on being implied by Law that he was a Tenryubito.
Remember how Jewelry Bonney has the power to change the age of anyone? She used to be under the control of the World Government, as Akainu said after he captured her when she was left behind by Blackbeard. Also from what I infer, the personality of the one affected remains unchanged, just their body and physical age changes.
Doflamingo has strong ties with the world government, as he was able to summon the CP0.
I think the two of them are connected and Doflamingo is much older than he appears to be, kept young by Jewelry Bonney.
He could be one of the world creators, which is far fetched. There could be hierarchical ranks amongst the World Nobles and he's one of the top ones. Or he's simply an old Tenryubito. This part I'm not sure of.
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Next Admirals Theory:
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@ITaeyeon:
Next Admirals Theory:
Orange Crab - Sentoumaru's dad. Exactly looks like his son. Kizaru's cousin or better yet, brother.There are three admirals. Right now we have Yellow Monkey, Green Bull, and Purple Tiger. So there's no room for an orange guy yet.
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@ITaeyeon:
Next Admirals Theory:
Orange Crab - Sentoumaru's dad. Exactly looks like his son. Kizaru's cousin or better yet, brother.Is there even a crab in the Momotaro story?
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Hi! I'm reading a lot here and find a lot of my theories written by other members. But, here are my theories which I have to share with you guys. The underworld will have 4/5 leaders (Jack(already mentioned), Queen, King, Ace and Joker(which is the greatest and most important one). It will work like the Mafia and the other four pirate captains will have four capos (the seats). I think Joker or his father ´("the old master") created the underworld and is one of the gorosei. The other captains won't be any of the yonkou, simply because they don't need to work "Underground". Law mentioned some chapters ago that Major pirate Groups work underground, so the WG can't find them. Moreover, I think that these four guys and Joker are something like the biggest pirates after the yonkou in the new world. Therefore, IMO Joker is the fith greatest pirate and itdoes not seem for me propably that he will go down in this arc. But, I think that the smile factory will be destroyed which will cause a war between DD (maybe with the suport of one/two admirals (Green Bull's first appearance)and the CP0) and Kaido. DD is too interesting and without his Connections with the WG I could see his end in this arc, but IMO DD will become among BB and Sakazuki the third main enemy in this series. While BB is the anti Luffy, DD represents both, the realistic, modern pirate and is an ancestor of the creators of the WG. Therefore, I think DD will maybe become the last obstacle to change the world in the world war at the end of the series. Yes, I know he won't be stronger than BB, but unless Luffy gets on the same Haki arnament-level like Vergo, I can't see Luffy winning against DD without loosing an arm. That's all for now guys. I hope for your respond to my theories. You are welcome to critize my english skills. I need to improve them for the work :)
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That's a big pile of words you typed there
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I'm sorry, but I could not create paragraphs… ^^
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@Monkey:
There are three admirals. Right now we have Yellow Monkey, Green Bull, and Purple Tiger. So there's no room for an orange guy yet.
Why would the marines limit the numbers of the people they could conscript to become admirals to three? There's always room. It will be fun to have more than three admirals around.
Is there even a crab in the Momotaro story?
Wiki'd it. Not based from the one that most of us are familiar with. There's even a cow shit, a bee, mortal and pestle, I think.
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^^The way DD talked about it pretty much confirms that Fujitora and Green bull are the only new admirals.
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@ITaeyeon:
Why would the marines limit the numbers of the people they could conscript to become admirals to three? There's always room. It will be fun to have more than three admirals around.
If the WG allows more than three Admirals, the balance of the world can be thrown out of order
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If the WG allows more than three Admirals, the valance of the world can be thrown out of order
I don't think the WG would mind the balance shifting towards them, in fact, they're trying hard to do that with the assignment of Akainu as Fleet Admiral and the increase in power Jinbe talked about, also the Pacifistas, all signs that they would love to increase their influence, especially in the New World.
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I don't think the WG would mind the balance shifting towards them, in fact, they're trying hard to do that with the assignment of Akainu as Fleet Admiral and the increase in power Jinbe talked about, also the Pacifistas, all signs that they would love to increase their influence, especially in the New World.
It seems that way but I don't think they are going to go play it out, that's gambling but I think that it will be safer for them to have more than three admiral in case a Shishibukai decides to play dirty on them, just like a back up plan other then that, I don't see them doing so
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It seems that way but I don't think they are going to go play it out, that's gambling but I think that it will be safer for them to have more than three admiral in case a Shishibukai decides to play dirty on them, just like a back up plan other then that, I don't see them doing so
I'm not sure Oda would put more than 3 Admirals at a time either, but I think a reason to have more than 3 Admirals (basically 4) would be to compensate for Garp, who was a powerhouse for the Marines too. This way, we would have 5 Admiral-level marines together just like pre-TS.
Doflamingo's quote from the previous chapter indicate 2 new Admirals only, but, if there is a third one (only counting new), then he would have to be already a member in the Marines and that's why Dofla didn't mention him with the new recruited Marines-turned-Admirals.
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Perhaps this is a little out of context, but this early concept of Nami took my attention.
Is she going to lose one of her feets and an arm in the future?
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I'm not sure Oda would put more than 3 Admirals at a time either, but I think a reason to have more than 3 Admirals (basically 4) would be to compensate for Garp, who was a powerhouse for the Marines too. This way, we would have 5 Admiral-level marines together just like pre-TS.
Doflamingo's quote from the previous chapter indicate 2 new Admirals only, but, if there is a third one (only counting new), then he would have to be already a member in the Marines and that's why Dofla didn't mention him with the new recruited Marines-turned-Admirals.
Good point but I don't think those Vice Admiral that were at the war are strong enough to get the title of Admiral at least in my opinion, also the new Pacifistas might compensate for the loss of Garp or any new Vice Admiral that got enlisted like Fujitora and green bull, don't know If it has been mentioned but Maynard might be one of those guys too
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Good point but I don't think those Vice Admiral that were at the war are strong enough to get the title of Admiral at least in my opinion, also the new Pacifistas might compensate for the loss of Garp or any new Vice Admiral that got enlisted like Fujitora and green bull, don't know If it has been mentioned but Maynard might be one of those guys too
Well, yeah, I'm actually very excited (from what Law said) to see what the Marines have in store after two years of not doing anything.