GAH! Don't stop datebayo was blocked on my country by sony music!
Wh.. What?
Human torch dying? ow, tragic, in his prime after 60 years…
GAH! Don't stop datebayo was blocked on my country by sony music!
Wh.. What?
Human torch dying? ow, tragic, in his prime after 60 years…
Another issue with American superhero comics is they are really confusing, and you need to use the wikipedia, but they have the advantage when it comes to being adapted becasue you have so many stories to adapt from.
I'll think I'll make an American comics vs Japanese comics thread for the hell of it.
That's probably why adaptations of superhero stuff seem to feel better than the original source: they cut to the chase and generally have a smaller corp of people working to create a set amount of stories for the big or small screen.
And I just have to give props to the F4 mostly because…well, in a way, without them, modern Marvel wouldn't be what it is today, let alone a lot of comic books of the hero genre. When they came along 50 years ago, most of what was out there was for the most part DC, who had essentially living gods who could get away with anything and did a lot of weird and bizarre stuff (even Batman, considering he wouldn't be back to his roots until later in the 60s) Stan Lee had the right idea of making a different kind of team book through a freakish family of heroes who went on amazing adventures akin to a fusion of the "Challenge of the Unknown" and the monster books Marvel did late in it's Atlas era with a dash of JLA which was just starting up. The problem isn't the F4 themselves...more the problem was that they were so successful that it allowed for more diverse and interesting heroes like the Hulk, Spidey, the X-Men, etc. But for the entire Lee-Kirby era, the F4 were the definitive heroes of the company. I know there probably were so few that "got" what made them special (I did hear the John Byrne run wasn't too bad among others), but I guess they were a victim of the success they themselves created for Marvel.
@RobbyBevard:
Thats actually what they did with the Ultimate line about 10 years ago. Brand new universe, complete reboot from scratch with a modern take on everything.
Of course, its been 10 years, so by this point that's starting to carry its own baggage.
And in the mid 90's they did Heroes Reborn, but the less said about that, the better.
Can I like suggest you destroy the current marvel continuity in some sort of dc crisis type of thing. Like you know destroy the current mainstream continuity I mean its worse that Jonah Jameson is no longer owner of daily Bugle and Peter is now a paparazzi…....
Torch dead.....
Joeph Loeb already murdered the Ultimate universe. Lets blow that up as well and then reboot it with a new mainstream universe.
Y'know this type this new universe death stays permanent, and get talented writers to write and cleverly reinterpret these characters especially Fantastic Four.
Can this hypothetical Marvel Crisis remove Civil War from ever happening.
Like, at all.
Human Torch is just dying so Chris Evans can play Captain America with a clean slate.
Hopefully he can do more than just that.
@Cyan:
Can this hypothetical Marvel Crisis remove Civil War from ever happening.
Like, at all.
Already happened.
Of course, Peter Parker had to make a deal with the devil to divorce his wife and abort his baby and get sent back to the 80's to do it.
Really pretty much everything has reverted to status quo since then, aside from Bucky taking over for Cap.
(Civil War was a cool idea, but the execution sucked. Mostly because Iron Man was RIGHT, and the registration act was a GOOD idea, but ALL the writers sided with Cap, and thus wrote the pro-registration side like villains because… they were shitty writers. )
@RobbyBevard:
(Civil War was a cool idea, but the execution sucked. Mostly because Iron Man was RIGHT, and the registration act was a GOOD idea, but ALL the writers sided with Cap, and thus wrote the pro-registration side like villains because… they were shitty writers. )
You can't really side against Captain America.
Especially if the side against him throws people in a dimensional prison and breaks Geneva.
@Cyan:
Especially if the side against him throws people in a dimensional prison and breaks Geneva.
Like I said. The writers were INCREDIBLY STUPID and started writing them like villains.
But for the first month I was totally pro-registration. It makes sense. Authorize them, train them, give them paychecks, hazard pay, medical and dental, put them into organized teams. If I were a citizen of the Marvel U, I'd be all about that.
But of course, that's "boring" and everyone loves an underdog, (and the vigilante status quo) so 98% of the writers sided with the underdogs and… wrote the other side incredibly out of character.
That sounds very similar to Watchman's 'Keene act'. Except for the superpowers thing.
That's probably why adaptations of superhero stuff seem to feel better than the original source: they cut to the chase and generally have a smaller corp of people working to create a set amount of stories for the big or small screen.
With the exception of some films, agreed.
When exactly did Reed become the mosted hated man in Marvelverse?
Since he became a Nerd Sue.
When exactly did Reed become the mosted hated man in Marvelverse?
That's Tony.
Reed's just the most incompetent man in Marvelverse.
Not everyone hates Tony Stark. He's just not shaking off the stank of Civil War (or his suit becoming an abusive boyfriend. Yes) off him anytime soon.
He did have the movies, though.
Just out of morbid curiousity. Where should i pick up if i wanna see where it all went wrong.
When exactly did Reed become the mosted hated man in Marvelverse?
Like Funk said he ain't the most;
Scientific Genius-Level Intellect: Dr. Richards is the most intelligent being on the planet. Reed possesses a mastery of electrical, mechanical and aerospace engineering, electronics, chemistry, all levels of physics, and human and alien biology. A visionary theoretician and inspired machine smith, he has made breakthroughs in such varied fields as space travel, time travel, extra-dimensional travel, biochemistry, robotics, computers, synthetic polymers, communications, mutations, transportation, holography, energy generation, spectral analysis and more. He is one of the few people on Earth to be an expert on other dimensions and the methods by which to travel to and through them. Reed’s patents are so valuable that he is able to bankroll the Fantastic Four, Inc., without any undue financial stress. Not only has Reed proven himself to be a genius in virtually every science native to Earth, he has shown himself to be more knowledgeable than even some of the most highly advanced alien civilizations in the known universe as well.
Why hasn't he found the cure to cancer yet?
but he's close
I hope Johny comes back as a villain for…a while.
With the exception of some films, agreed.
Luckily I didn't say "every" adaptation. For every film that does get it right, you get crap like Elektra, Jonah Hex, The Spirit, Catwoman…
I'd really only before a pure restart that allows for a writer to do what they want, including killing when they see death as necessary (sometimes a character can "die" but return later if done right or just leave a legacy for a new character with the same/similar powers and/or name) if it was a universe that was completely under the control of one writer and/or one artist. They have complete control to do anything and everything they want to do, just like the writers of a TV series or a movie (or a manga), with minimal to no editor influence. (yeah I know editors are a matter in manga and they will never go away, but somehow they shouldn't be the driving force) I'd say they have a set time to tell their entire story...but somehow with the whole soap-opera aspect of comics, that may never happen. (then again, this was the status of the whole Lee-Kirby era of F4 since they ran the whole magazine for ten years being the guys in charge...) Honestly, the title should be based on whatever the writer wants to make it about, but sadly driving market forces always seem to force certain heroes into the limelight and not others, thus why you always get ten books with Wolverine in it. (unless the writer has the clout to want to make this story about who they want and use their skills to increase their importance instead of being driven by editors or marketers)
Then again, I doubt Marvel would ever want to take a chance on my "real-style sci-fi mecha-based universe" which essentially begins with humanity abandoning Earth because they let Galactus have it for lunch.
I like the idea for a steampunk marvel universe reboot, though with marvel it is…
Catwoman.
Catwoman was easy to do right if they picked the right take, and I don't even like her.
Don't know how it got greenlighted in the first place.
They might re-do Catwoman in the newest Batman movie.. Bane and Selena Kylie are going to be in it.
So I went by the comic book store today and saw a bunch of the issues of the new Fantastic 4 (or 3, in this case) and the store only allowed people to buy a maximum of 2 of those comics. I was wondering, would it be worth a ton in the future? I was thinking of buying 2 copies, one for myself (although I don't really read much Fantastic Four, I'm curious as to how this death will go about), and keep the other one sealed for a few years and maybe sell it.
I don't plan to make a fortune, that's for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if it sold for the same price 10 years down the road, but I was wondering about that.
@Mr.:
I don't plan to make a fortune, that's for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if it sold for the same price 10 years down the road, but I was wondering about that.
You might be able to sell it for an inflated price in the next week or two.
But they'll probably put out reprints in a week or two if theres a demand for it.
And its fantastic four, which nobody cares about. And when Jonny eventually comes back, it'll be totally worthless.
The death of Captain America issue was going for 100$ for a few days when greedy collectors thought they could scalp some saps, but fell way down when the second printing hit a week later. Of course, that was CAPTAIN AMERICA, and people actually thought it'd be permanent. Same goes for Death of Superman.
The issue just came out today and its ATTEMPTING to go for 5-15 dollars on ebay, but no one is biting.
So yes, you can make some serious money short term if you feel like being sleezy and can find a sucker. Long term it'll end up in 25 cent boxes because every store will have 30 copies they can't get rid of.
Quesada really isn't any better than Bob Harras.
Quesada was an amazing EIC, did a lot to fix the company, some of the big problems series were suffering from, initated the trade program, was behind the Ultimate line, and knows how to promote and get people excited. GREAT EIC.
For the first decade.
NOW though, he's been in that spot a little too long, surrounded himself by a few too many friends and yes men.
As terrible as the Spidey/Mephisto thing was, thats the first thing I really disagreed with him on. As badly as Civil War went, it was still a great idea.
But yeah, its about time for a change. A decade is about the longest any one person should stay in charge of anything. (Look at Eisner at Disney. He totally saved the company in the late 80's and early 90's… but then started sucking after 1995 or so when the only people that could tell him no died.)
You are currently working for Marvel, right, Robby? Who would you suggest for the new EIC?
Joey Weltjens, the EIC of Antarctic Press.
I don't know who at Marvel would make a good EIC. I mean, Stan Lee is the only one that historically nobody says anything bad about, but I think he was more a figurehead than anything. And Quesada does a good job, he's just been there too long, leads to stagnation and his circle of friends deciding everything.
Joey Weltjens, the EIC of Antarctic Press.
I don't know who at Marvel would make a good EIC. I mean, Stan Lee is the only one that historically nobody says anything bad about, but I think he was more a figurehead than anything. And Quesada does a good job, he's just been there too long, leads to stagnation and his circle of friends deciding everything.
I remember Stan Lee writing a Fantastic Four story once, it was kinda really bad from what I remember.
I wonder what would happen if Oda were to be hired to do a Fantastic Four manga. Just think of what he could with it..
Some what similar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk:_The_Manga written by Kazuo Koike! The man that got you Lone Wolf Cub.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_The_Manga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:Black%26_White#Issue_.234_-_September_1996
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Child_of_Dreams
Awesome. But do to the fact the Fantastic Four is the most unwanted superhero team I doubt they are popular enough in Japan to warrant manga iterations.
I remember Stan Lee writing a Fantastic Four story once,
You mean the first 102 of them? The industry defining game changing run he did with Jack Kirby that almost no other mainstream creative team has matched?
I actually enjoyed Civil War, for a little while. Once villains were being sent to capture unregistered heroes, and Tony was STILL on the pro-reg side it became apparent that they didn't know how to keep both sides of the war in a gray morality, unregistered was good, and registered was bad. It would have been much more interesting if they kept it so that it would be the readers decision on which is bad or good.
@RobbyBevard:
You mean the first 102 of them? The industry defining game changing run he did with Jack Kirby that almost no other mainstream creative team has matched?
No I mean a recent one he did. It wasn't received well
I don't remember….
I know he revolutionized the industry and all but he hasn't really done anything relevant lately, except make small cameos in movie adaptions of his creations. He's mostly a nice, smiling public figure with an energetic spirit nowadays and he gets overlooked on may things especially
Stripperella.
He's doing those godawful NHL guardians nowadays. I could imagine that once he's writing dialogue for em and imbuing them with the patetented Lee magic they'll be fun but just going by looks they're horrible.
Makes it pretty clear why Stan Lee never really designed the characters back in the days.
Stripperella.
Now Stripperella i liked. Too bad it only ran for two seasons.
I think what he did for Marvel was great for the time, but like I said he's mostly just this smiling figure, that's willing to endorse anything to get his wallet fat. I mean he gets paid millions just to have one or two lines in a cameo… I still think Jack Kirby is awesome and better him, I think Kirby's work on the Fantastic Four was a big factor that lead to them to successful in the first place. Steve Ditko is also awesome and takes the right angle and remains reclusive and mysterious rather then the money-whore Lee's become.
He's a victim of his own fame.
The problem with Lee is simple: time caught up with him. Heck, he was in his 40s when the period he essentially pioneered with Kirby and Ditko at Marvel began in 1961. (and remember, he was a kid in the 1940s when he started with Marvel) Thing is, though, that his masterwork probably remains his work with Kirby during that F4 run in the 60s, alongside the early Spider-Man stories. Technically while he did create a lot of the major concepts of the 60s, it was others who would lead them to who they are today (talking about ones like the Hulk, the X-men and Daredevil). But on the other hand, the F4 (with Kirby) and Spidey (with Ditko) are his and forever will be.
Yeah, Stan Lee shouldn't try to write anymore he should just be a spokesman. he's amazing at that.
@mdmartin101:
I actually enjoyed Civil War, for a little while. Once villains were being sent to capture unregistered heroes, and Tony was STILL on the pro-reg side it became apparent that they didn't know how to keep both sides of the war in a gray morality, unregistered was good, and registered was bad. It would have been much more interesting if they kept it so that it would be the readers decision on which is bad or good.
Yes, this. Exactly.
That's how it was SUPPOSED to be, and what they promised at the start.
Stan Lee is no Osamu Tezuka.
Nobody else is.
@THE:
Stan Lee is no Osamu Tezuka.
Nobody else is.
Not even Walt Disney?
Or Shigeru Miyamoto?
@Cyan:
Not even Walt Disney?
Or Shigeru Miyamoto?
Close. Tezuka was pretty much like those two. Except that he also created masterpieces of Watchmen level. Like Phoenix.
However, well, that's other fields. Better compare only in comics-manga world.
@RobbyBevard:
Yes, this. Exactly.
That's how it was SUPPOSED to be, and what they promised at the start.
In fairness, I think it it'd have been pretty difficult to keep it that way with cap being on the unregistered side.
Perhaps it'd have been better if cap's death had somehow been at the beginning of the whole thing, trying to save civilians during the new warriors fight. Then they could have had Stark vowing to put the registration through so this could never happen again, and someone else stepping up against, saying that cap had a mask so they'd continue in that vein. Have both sides effectively thinking they're holding true to his memory or somesuch.
Because when it comes down to stark vs cap… cap is kinda automatically the "right side".
Harsh truth, though I think as a whole it'll get better, sucks that companies don't want to take a chance in creator owned stuff, sadly creator owned stuff will likely stay as Webcomics for the unforeseeable future.
Just saw the cover and the read summary for the next issue of Avengers: The Chidren's Crusade.
This storyline for the Young Avengers is keep getting more interesting.
Speaking of the Civil War stuff. I was recently reread the She-Hulk's Civil War stuff which lead into the Planet Hulk/World War Hulk stuff. It was so wierd seeing at one moment Jen was A okay with the registering act then switch her opinion to the other side with the sending Hulk into space.
The thing about Civil War is, I was never a Cap fan, I still can't say I am a fan of Steve Rogers as Captain America.
However, in the silliness that ensued, I can gladly proclaim I am a huge fan of Bucky as Cap and Steve Rogers as Nick Fury, it makes a lot more sense the way things have played out, and I pray that status quo does not revert them to their roles.
I was wondering where the American Comics thread went.
You just posted on it right now.
I think Robby figured since most folks were talking about Marvel and DC comics he change the title to reflect that.
Captain America has the best costume aesthetically.
Penance has the best costume :p
My favorite costume is….
!
You just posted on it right now.
I think Robby figured since most folks were talking about Marvel and DC comics he change the title to reflect that.
No room for other publishers though? Oh well.
Was real happy to see that Marko made the top 10 in the 100 Covers of 2010. I hope his company does well this year.
I haven't read Red Robin, is he intentionally supposed to look generic?
And thanks Refii, because no one agrees with me. Steve is okay but Bucky, unbelievably, works better. I'm gonna hate the big event when Steve is Cap again. Maybe I fear it, har har