Sorry if this has been pointed out already, but apparently the lawyer filing this suit is the guy who's been suing pron downloaders recently too.
http://torrentfreak.com/producer-sues-bittorrent-users-but-doesnt-own-copyright-100924/
Funi Files Lawsuit
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the lawyer filing this suit is the guy who's been suing pron downloaders recently too.
…..Good to know.
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@Zach:
No, they really can't. They have no cause of action against FUNimation to form any sort of countersuit. FUNimation is suing for breach of a U.S. federal law, which all 1,337 of these people breached.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
What makes you think you have to have just cause to file? There are tons of insane cases that try to get into the federal docket that are usually used as a delaying tactic but there are some people who make a living filing them hoping one will stick and they will get a payday.
Playing devils advocate, I can even see what an individual user would argue against Funimation. Are you going to sue individuals because they choose (at least in their opinion) a superior product that you are giving out for free? Are they using Funi's translation or do they do their own? Is the video product of a higher quality? Are people downloading it for their own private use? It would make a lot more sense if Funi went after someone who actually remaking/downloading episodes they have already put on DVD.
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It just comes down to, "ILLEGALLY Downloading something that can be VIEW for FREE LEGALLY, Is WRONG, PERIOD."
anything else is just bickering, and I address this to the US fans, who can view the Funi stream, not the foreign fan base that has no other option then fan subs.
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I actually fully believe that it is within funi's to sue them for that, when it comes to torrents not only are you downloading it you are also sharing it, no im not going to lie and say i dont watch fansubs as i do, but i watch it due to having no other option, and the fact that its available to americans on the funi website. I for one would gladly pay up to a fiver a month to watch or download to own one piece legally where i live.
But i dont agree with sueing for any more than the cost of one episode as i dout they are loosing any more than that, mores to the point its on there website to watch for free so they would still be making a profit. -
THEY WILL NEVER TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDOM!!! Just because funimation suck balls and want a monopoly over all anime's doesn't mean we will let them have it. SUE THEM BACK FOR BEING UPTIGHT DOUCHE BAGS AND DESTROYING THE MEANING OF 'FUN'.
I wasn't aware that Mel Gibson was entitled to One Piece fansubs.:getlost:
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But i dont agree with sueing for any more than the cost of one episode as i dout they are loosing any more than that, mores to the point its on there website to watch for free so they would still be making a profit.
I don't see how charging an extremely minor fee is going to discourage further piracy. I mean you'd be looking at a few bucks a person, and that's not exactly going to scare other illegal fansubbers to watch it the legal way. They're also losing ad revenue from this, which a minor penalty fee would not compensate for.
There's just no good reason for anyone in the states to download fansubs, and any excuses like disliking translation choices or a general dislike of Hulu is grasping at straws.
/self-righteous jackass rant :U
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It just comes down to, "ILLEGALLY Downloading something that can be VIEW for FREE LEGALLY, Is WRONG, PERIOD."
+1.
FUNi stream the latest episode on their site not long after the episode has aired. They don't have to do this, technically they could just pull the plug on the whole operation and stick with their DVD releases. Even though they do this without obligation, and they are comitted to a dub that sticks true to the series and is censor-light, some people still bitch and moan that FUNimation is the evil corporate Grinch out to pinch everyone's fun.
Fansubs are generally better, marginally, at least I can read and enjoy FUNi's sub. There really isn't this canyon of difference some people think there is, it doesn't exist, no spoon, Neo! I'm really sick of this whole 'FUNi is the devil' crap I see (not around here as much) when they are practically bending over backwards to please both the dub watchers and fans who are currently caught up with the latest episodes.
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Here's the One Piece Podcast discussion with some insights on the actual complaint:
http://onepiecepodcast.com/blog/2011/01/25/after-dark-seven-the-1337-and-the-entitled/
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@Zach:
Here's the One Piece Podcast discussion with some insights on the actual complaint:
http://onepiecepodcast.com/blog/2011/01/25/after-dark-seven-the-1337-and-the-entitled/
Wow, I'll be checking this out tomorrow. Fast reaction, dudes.
And… well honestly, I'm pretty damn surprised about this whole thing. I'm all for it, but at the same time I just have more of a neutral opinion. There are some things I still download (not One Piece), but in the end, is it really worth it?
What I mean is, if you are one of those 1337 people having to sit in court because of a cartoon (granted a freaking awesome cartoon, but a cartoon nonetheless), that would probably be pretty embarrassing. It would for me, anyhow. It's just not worth subjecting yourself to and maybe it's time the higherups start scaring people a bit more.
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I have a quick question, how many of the of the outraged by people downloading episodes read One Piece scanlations?
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I have a quick question, how many of the of the outraged by people downloading episodes read One Piece scanlations?
I do. And personally, I buy Volumes as they are released. As of Viz's on shelve Volumes, I am only missing four. I can't speak for everyone, but I do buy the english volumes, so even if I am reading illegal scanlations, no one is making money, except Viz when I purchase the legal volumes.
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I have a quick question, how many of the of the outraged by people downloading episodes read One Piece scanlations?
I don't feel outraged, but it's ridiculous when people download "One Piece" when you can watch new episodes legally right after they come out in Japan. If something like that existed for the manga I'd feel similarly with scanlations.
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I have a quick question, how many of the of the outraged by people downloading episodes read One Piece scanlations?
I don't think many people are "Outraged" by the simple act of downloading One Piece episodes, it's a bit more than that.
It's not the act of downloading them, but the mentality some people have about it. Like the Downloading of them is perfectly within their rights, like they're entitled to have these episodes for Free.
The fact of the matter is, you don't. Downloading the episodes is illegal. Regardless of who owns the rights, or who punishes you for it, it's illegal.
FUNimation and Toei make money for this. Pirating it causes them to lose money on it. They logically would want to at least TRY to stop that.So cursing FUNimation's name because they, god forbid, decided to at least try to do something about it, is really conceited.
It ESPECIALLY rubs some people wrong when said complainers are in the US, and are perfectly capable of viewing a version of the show that is 100% free and legal for them to watch, that we get literally ONE HOUR after Japan.
If everyone who downloads their illegal episodes would just shut the fuck up and realize that what they're doing is illegal, and thus, someone might try to stop it, then these arguments might not happen.
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What I don't get is why their suing for the episode that aired the week before and not episode 482 which aired on the 9th which is apparently when they started monitoring.
On a side note, anyone think that funimation would go easy on one of those people if they had every one of their sets released so far and and some other OP merchandise?
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I have a quick question, how many of the of the outraged by people downloading episodes read One Piece scanlations?
Same as Rin and Firecrouch said. We Americans have the privilege to watch a subtitle episode that comes out an hour after it comes out in Japan yet people in the US are still getting fansubs. The thing is that us American One Piece fans are lucky since Hetalia fans have to wait a WEEK to get a new 5 minute episode. In my eyes Funi (and Toei) has done all that they can to make sure to take people off the 'streets' and now they are trying to make an example of what could happen.
Also I recently posted a question on my site concerning this and I would appreciate it if some people could answer it: http://www.onepieceatatimeblog.com/2011/01/question-corner-does-funimation-have.html
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@MashimizuI am guessing because they have had time to pull the data on who downloaded and uploaded the subsubs. If they didn't do file the lawsuit for Episode 481 and instead for 482 then my guess is that we would have seen this next week.
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Yeah but someone said that they started monitoring on the 9th, so why not monitor that weeks episode instead?
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@Zach:
Here's the One Piece Podcast discussion with some insights on the actual complaint:
http://onepiecepodcast.com/blog/2011/01/25/after-dark-seven-the-1337-and-the-entitled/
^This is required listening. The argument for fansubs grows ever more irrelevant by the day.
By the way Zach, do you have the contact information for Toei, to see if they will license a stream for New Zealand? I'd really like to watch the stream without going to some shoddy proxy first.
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Yeah but someone said that they started monitoring on the 9th, so why not monitor that weeks episode instead?
yibis 481 was released on 8th and they started next day
EDIT: I looked at list. There are actually 1082 people not 1337. rest are duplicate entires
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I have a quick question, how many of the of the outraged by people downloading episodes read One Piece scanlations?
I imagine everyone of this site reads One Piece scanlations.
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I don't think many people are "Outraged" by the simple act of downloading One Piece episodes, it's a bit more than that.
It's not the act of downloading them, but the mentality some people have about it. Like the Downloading of them is perfectly within their rights, like they're entitled to have these episodes for Free.
Yes but how many people complaining about these "entitlement whores" spend a large part of their week waiting for spoilers and scanlations that are usually released days before Jump actually hits the streets? It is completely disingenuous for one set of thieves to criticize another.
I also don't understand Funi not just handing Yibis a C&D letter and putting on the dog and pony show instead.
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@dan: I don't read the manga, and just follow the simulcast. I can't be the only one.
@Kingloser: I would think that by putting on said dog and pony show it sends a message to the end user that downloading fansubs comes at a risk. Sending a C&D would just transfer hosting responsibilites to a number of other groups that would come in to replace them in that respect.
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There is no legal alternative to scanlations, as well as the fact that ENGLISH scanlations aren't hurting the JAPANESE manga market.
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IDK. But this certainly is big news.
lol, no it isn't, at the very most in the extreme spectrum, public torrents of this file stop existing and people gotta start looking through IRC and private Torrents
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Yes but how many people complaining about these "entitlement whores" spend a large part of their week waiting for spoilers and scanlations that are usually released days before Jump actually hits the streets? It is completely disingenuous for one set of thieves to criticize another.
AGAIN, it's not the act of downloading the episodes, but the entitlement that comes with it. Like they somehow have the "Right" to free Anime.
Nobody has the right to free media, it's fucking illegal either way. If you are viewing something that you were meant to pay for for free without viewing it on some kind of official, ad-based website, it's illegal.
Downloading Scanlations is Illegal. I know this. If, somehow, Shueisha and Viz ever got my IP address and decided to include ME in some kind of a lawsuit, I'd just TAKE IT Because I understand how this whole situation works. I'm the one stealing media, I'm the bad girl in this equation. And that's what sets me apart from these complainers. I'm not entitled to free manga, I'm lucky to get free manga. And I do it illegally. The difference is that I UNDERSTAND This fact and don't believe for a second that my reading of One Piece every week is some god-given right.
But those are REALLY two different situations.
If Viz offered a "Simulchapter" of some kind where we get the chapter like, the day after Japan or something, then it'd be the same situation, but as it stands, it's not.
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Though you're absolutely correct, Demon Rin, in the end, do they care if you're acting entitled about it or not? Does that make you any better than the people who act entitled? Well, it would, but you feel the need to talk as though you're above those people. Come on. WE'RE PIRATES.
She is above those people because she's not downloading the damn episode when a legal stream is right in front of her. The same applies to anyone else in the same position on here, including myself.
Even if most of us have downloaded in the past and some, including myself, still download things not available around here, we are still better than people who download something that is available legally in which there is no need to download. And more than anything, we actually care about how the series is selling and we actually buy the sets when the come out.
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Nobody has the right to free media, it's fucking illegal either way.
That's exactly my point, the pot should not pelt the kettle with stones while sitting in a glass house. This posturing and morally superior chest beating over some 13 year cold complaining on a forum is ridiculous.
But those are REALLY two different situations.
No it's exactly the same, we are all stealing someones IP which is taking money out of someones wallet.
If Viz offered a "Simulchapter" of some kind where we get the chapter like, the day after Japan or something, then it'd be the same situation, but as it stands, it's not.
If they did that do you think people would wait and not read spoilers or look at scanlations released up to a week early? I certainly don't think many people would change their habits.
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I think it's pretty obvious that if you give people a convenient, legal way to consume said manga then your average consumer will be less likely to go the illegal route. Yes, it won't entirely eliminate OP scanlation piracy, but reducing the amount of people going that route will just lead to more money back in their pocket via ad revenue. I don't think your typical scanlation reader would bother with illegal methods if they had an easy legal way to read them that won't stick them with legal repercussions (ala Funi's filing).
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That's exactly my point, the pot should not pelt the kettle with stones while sitting in a glass house. This posturing and morally superior chest beating over some 13 year cold complaining on a forum is ridiculous.
Are you selectively reading my posts on purpose, or do you keep legitimately missing the part where I say "The part that irks me is Not the 'illegal downloads' part, its the apparent attitude that the illegal downloads are somehow a right, and FUNi/Toei are in the wrong for fighting it". part?
How do you keep missing that?
I know full well that dling or reading scanltions are illegal and know that if Viz/Shueisha want to try to stop scanlations, that is perfectly within their rights to do so, and would NOT complain if I ever somehow got caught.
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No it's exactly the same, we are all stealing someones IP which is taking money out of someones wallet.
I don't really have any moral opposition to pirating and I hope the 1,337 that are being sued get off as easy as possible (If not avoid punishment outright), but I don't think reading scanlations is exactly the same thing. Whose money are you taking away, exactly? The current chapters won't be released until the mid or late 2010s, at the moment there's no wallet to give the money to, and if they buy the manga volumes whenever they're released I don't see how they're causing any financial loss at all. They're buying everything that's possible to buy.
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It really bugs me that yibis doesn't mention anything on their homepage. :/
Quick question, is the only way to see the IP addresses is by purchasing that document?
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Your only legal option is to import the tankobons/Jump volumes and then either attempt to read Japanese or get txt translations of the internet.
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This whole thing is just messed up imo. I mean I understand their well within their rights but why aren't they going after horriblesubs? Its like funi is angry because we don't like their subs.
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Funny how i just deleted this episode a few days ago because i didn't feel i was going to go back and rewatch it.
I tried watching Funi's stream but its terrible. The bottom part of the screen has a mirror effect and they have tons of ads. I mean, its tolerable but i prefer downloading the episode and being able to resize the window, rewind and fast forwad as i see fit.
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There's one thing I don't understand. If fansubs are illegal, what of AnimePrivate.com which regularly distributes them under paid membership? Is that illegal too?
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There's one thing I don't understand. If fansubs are illegal, what of AnimePrivate.com which regularly distributes them under paid membership? Is that illegal too?
What do you think?
Considering how easy it is to get free fansubbed episodes i can see why no one is giving that site any attention. It probably doesn't make any profits.
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@Joe:
I tried watching Funi's stream but its terrible. The bottom part of the screen has a mirror effect and they have tons of ads.
Mirror effect?
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Are you selectively reading my posts on purpose, or do you keep legitimately missing the part where I say "The part that irks me is Not the 'illegal downloads' part, its the apparent attitude that the illegal downloads are somehow a right, and FUNi/Toei are in the wrong for fighting it". part?
I understand that you are saying "My stealing is better than your stealing because I realize it is wrong!" It does not change the fact that your being duplicitous about it. I also have an issue with people's how dare they not take something for free when they can get the better product for the same price with better quality a few days later. Is it really that shocking that people would do that? Also what happens if they watch on Funi then download afterwards? This would be a lot more clear cut if they went after people torrenting stuff they have released already on DVD.
Meanwhile all the people who get their fansubs through IRC are laughing.
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Even so, I thought at the very least it might support the Japanese market (but I wasn't entirely sure since they're very vague about it). And not get any viruses in the process, or sued etc.
@KL Uh… I think the point is people don't have a right to act illegally, but the people who throw in the towel and accept are worlds above those who don't give a toss. Or worse, actually cause a ruckus about it.
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I understand that you are saying "My stealing is better than your stealing because I realize it is wrong!" It does not change the fact that your being duplicitous about it. I also have an issue with people's how dare they not take something for free when they can get the better product for the same price with better quality a few days later. Is it really that shocking that people would do that? Also what happens if they watch on Funi then download afterwards? This would be a lot more clear cut if they went after people torrenting stuff they have released already on DVD.
Meanwhile all the people who get their fansubs through IRC are laughing.
Your sense of entitlement is staggering.
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lol
'Entitlement' is starting to become the new buzzword on Arlong Park.
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I understand that you are saying "My stealing is better than your stealing because I realize it is wrong!" It does not change the fact that your being duplicitous about it. I also have an issue with people's how dare they not take something for free when they can get the better product for the same price with better quality a few days later. Is it really that shocking that people would do that? Also what happens if they watch on Funi then download afterwards? This would be a lot more clear cut if they went after people torrenting stuff they have released already on DVD.
Meanwhile all the people who get their fansubs through IRC are laughing.
Wow you certainly live up to your username.
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It really bugs me that yibis doesn't mention anything on their homepage. :/
how about we make our next poll: did you know downloading fansubs is illegal?
Yibis One Piece Fansubs
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Your sense of entitlement is staggering.
You obviously have no idea what sense of entitlement is. I don't feel I am owed anything from Funi, Toei, Viz, or Shueisha in fact I know stealing is wrong, it does not stop me from reading scanilations. I am not the one trying to create a moral difference between stealing manga and stealing anime, I just point out they are both wrong and people should get off their preachy high horses.
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Wow you certainly live up to your username.
That so adorable, I get the full on recessive special needs poster trying to hurt my feelings. Would you like some chocolate or a balloon?
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Well damn. I believe I see my IP on that list…
I will say this: the reasons I have never bothered with watching the stream is because access to YIBIS was very easy and fast. And the quality is also very good. But most likely because I didn't really know about FUNI's stream. Had I known, i would of certainty watched the stream rather than get sued for downloading the YIBIS fansub.I hoping that the reports of of a 100-200 dollar fine is true because I simply cannot manage otherwise.
