I concede most of that, but I guess when it comes to final forms, we all have different tastes. I found Sephiroth's final form more as 'I am your god', whereas Zeromus was more as 'I'll bite your head off.' Generally, I find that the more frightening forms in games to be cooler (a picture of Giygas himself makes me want to try out Earthbound), but the 'god' forms strike me as nothing more than narcissism. Not that that's bad (especially when they're in character), but it's during those points that I find their powers more impressive than their looks.
SQUARE ENIX - Single Player RPGs are dead?
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The "god" form suited Sephiroth more, though, since he spent the entire game in Enel mode, what with his "I am superior," "I am a higher being," "I shall be reborn as a god" stuff. Plus, Safer Sephiroth was more of a bizarro-angel than anything. The freaky multi-winged cloud, the dark and angular nature of his winged arm, etc. Fit perfectly with him; insane and god-like.
Zeromus was cool, but just looked too random. Like they just slapped some monstery metroid-lookin' stuff together, threw a couple of arms in really wierd positions, and called it a day. I think a good balance between the two was Exdeath's forms. First form made sense; he was a demon-infested tree, and he looked like it. Second form was basically all the demons within him partially spewing out, making him this nasty amalgamation.
Worst FF final boss? 10. I like 10, but "large monster" followed by "your summons" followed by "dark metroid" was laaaame.
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7's been my favorite FF thus far. Fun to play, for starters, and I really liked the story. One of the biggest reasons, though, is the cast. Best cast in FF yet. I mean, for god's sake, it's got a big burly Mr. T-like black guy with a huge gun for an arm, a genetically altered pseudo-vampire who blows enemies away with a shotgun and turns into monsters, and CID FUGGIN' HIGHWIND! And don't forget the huge remote controlled plush doll!
…you forgot to mention how BRILLIANT the BLEACH manga is, schmekie...
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Oh no, Ao Kiji doesn't approve of my opinion! My self-esteem will never recover. If an over-opinionated internet troll doesn't like me… Well... Whatever will I do?!
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Oh no, Ao Kiji doesn't approve of my opinion! My self-esteem will never recover. If an over-opinionated internet troll doesn't like me… Well... Whatever will I do?!
I've heard burning bridges work; they're practically incapable of living anywhere else.
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lol Ao Kiji for a forum person, you're really plugging your ears when people say anything that's challenging your opinion, man. Shame on you.
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Quina was here.
FF7 cast is a bunch of pussies.
this post just makes the thread. this is awesome
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like I said before. FF7 is serious fucking business. And don't you forget it!
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@Ao:
clearly YOU are the unbiased voice of reason here.
@Ao:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/Keiichi-chan/fail.jpg
…you forgot to mention how BRILLIANT the BLEACH manga is, schmekie...
Wow. It's like you deliberately went out of your way to prove my point for me.
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Eyes on Me was a good main theme music, regardless of any other stregth/weaknesses the game may have had in the magic system or the story..
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@robbybevard:
Eyes on Me was a good main theme music, regardless of any other stregth/weaknesses the game may have had in the magic system or the story..
That's Final Fantasy VIII, not VII. o_o
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I always end up forgetting to steal the Warrior Bangle anytime I've ever made a file on Final Fantasy VII.:ninja:
But yeah anyway overall the game is pretty underwhelming. At least with VIII it's for the most part better when one plays it years later sans the poorly done Squall/Rinoa romance.
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Ao, you have issues man.
I don't know what's making you this much of an angry video game nerd, but I doubt it's conflicting opinions of FF7.We all share this forum, love of OP, heck I even love the same Admiral you do. You don't need to start bashing people for their opinions.
No, most of us aren't being unbiased, but by shoving your opinion down your throats you're not exactly being the voice of reason either.FF7 was not a bad game, varying degrees of fandom will give it varying degrees of preference, much like Fight Club, Smash Bros etc.
But at the end of the day, the inception of this thread, and your horrible responses to nonchalant opinions makes you sound like a jerk to the rest of the forum. -
If an over-opinionated internet troll doesn't like me… Well... Whatever will I do?!
i'm a troll? over-opinionated? possbily, but…troll?
also, the poster above me did the exact same thing, but you're only taking issue with me.
shame on you, schmekie. and you had been slowly becoming cool, too.Wow. It's like you deliberately went out of your way to prove my point for me.
saying someone has failed is "flipping the fuck out and going batshit crazy"??
@refii, it was a non-chollant topic and you responded with bashing and a serious reply insulting anyone who doesn't like ffvii. you responded to a biased video with an even more myopic, biased reply and i responded to it in the same vein and now you post as if i just sideswiped you or something out of the blue.you were the one who 'took the thread seriously' and shifted the mood
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@Ao:
saying someone has failed is "flipping the fuck out and going batshit crazy"??
That the haters are more rabid than the fans and that you're easily the most biased one here. Seriously, "different opinions=fail"?
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@Super-Franky:
That the haters are more rabid than the fans and that you're easily the most biased one here. Seriously, "different opinions=fail"?
this is false. claim ffvii is a bad game in any videogame forum and see if fanboys just smile and nod and go 'oh, well i liked it.' green v red already proved that with the link:
http://retro.ign.com/articles/963/963068p1.htmland saying 'ffvii had the best cast of characters' is slightly different from saying 'ffvii had my favorite cast'. yes, clearly i am the sole biased person:
@Captain:ANyone who does deny it is a fool, or some kind of anti-fanboy desperate to diminish FF7 for the purposes of their ego trip.
i made a single rant on the issue in all of 3 pages and then dropped it. i think you're overreacting here out of defensiveness.
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@Ao:
this is false. claim ffvii is a bad game in any videogame forum and see if fanboys just smile and nod and go 'oh, well i liked it.'
No clue what you're talking about. Most game forums that I visit utterly despise it.
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check out the link posted then?
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IX is the best because it has the most Orko in it.
If you claim this in any videogame forum people will smile and agree.
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But yeah anyway overall the game is pretty underwhelming. At least with VIII it's for the most part better when one plays it years later sans the poorly done Squall/Rinoa romance.
I dunno.
I finally got around to playing VIII a while ago and…I gotta say, I thought that now I'm older I'd be able to get a better grasp and make better use of the Junction system, but I find myself still having the same feeling like alot of it is just overly complicated and unnecessary as I did about ten years ago. And drawing magic just feels like a chore.
I'm at "assasinate the Sorceress" chapter of the game on the first disc, so I'm sure theres plenty of room for the game to pick up. But still....:ermm:
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Drawing magic will always be hell, but refining is usually the best way to go regarding that.
It's less time-consuming and you're not limited solely on enemies in the current area; especially once you build the AP and learn Mug from Diablos.
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@Ao:
and saying 'ffvii had the best cast of characters' is slightly different from saying 'ffvii had my favorite cast'.
If FFVII doesn't have the best cast (not that I would dare think such a HORRID thing), which one does? I probably already know the answer.
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Chrono Trigger had the best cast out of any Final Fantasy game.
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Yea until you realize Chrono has no personality and Marle well she just isn't likeable.
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Ao Kiji is hilarious.
And Chrono trigger also had abadass evil sorceror, a crazy caveman chick who would probably be very hot if she were real, a robot with a shit-ton of personality, and a god damn knightly frog!
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Yea until you realize Chrono has no personality and Marle well she just isn't likeable.
The awesome robot, the knightly frog, the hot cave chick, the Bulma-esque mad scientist girl, the evil badass mage, are all great. And then, for the two you actually mentioned, Marle was sweet and loved Chrono and constantly stood against injustice and sacrificed to save Chrono and the end of the world. Long as you had her in the party she was great.
As for Chrono himself, most great main protagonists in RPGS are silent. Its a character trait in and of itself that allows you to inject your own personality into the character and their questions. Chrono only lacked a personality if YOU lacked a personality. So thats your own personal failing.
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@robbybevard:
As for Chrono himself, most great main protagonists in RPGS are silent. Its a character trait in and of itself that allows you to inject your own personality into the character and their questions. Chrono only lacked a personality if YOU lacked a personality. So thats your own personal failing.
I would think that Chrono's lack of spoken dialog and emotion is the reason why he doesn't have much personality going for him,and why to me he ultimately comes off as unlikeable as opposed to the other characters but Whatever Will Be Will Be.
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Chrono Trigger does have a pretty strong cast, but I hate the protagonist.
There are very few games/movies/animes where the protagonist is deeper than the sum of the anti-heroes, antagonists, and supporting cast.One Piece comes to mind, at least every boss fight, and especially in the earlier chapters, I was amazed that I liked Luffy more than Zoro, Ussop, Sanji, Mihawk etc. As the story stretched to 500 chapters, sure, my liking of him has lessened, but damn if I don't cheer when he punches some bad dude in the face.
FFVII was also one of these cases. Strong Anti-hero protagonist made me like him more than Cid (who is the best Cid) and Vamp goth, the classic popular support. And I was always more into Cloud than Sephiroth. I dislike characters that are super perfect like him.FFVI characters that were memorable are honestly limited to Locke and Sabin, Terra was ok but I can't even remember the rest of their names. I was never into Kefka because I defeated him in the high 20 levels (on snes) an I could never take an end boss that seriously if I beat him with characters that weak.
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@Super-Franky:
If FFVII doesn't have the best cast (not that I would dare think such a HORRID thing), which one does? I probably already know the answer.
see, now you're being totally biased.
i can think of 3 ff games which had main casts i found more interesting than ffvii. there actually wasnt a member of the vii cast i found especially interesting or likable, which is probably why it felt like a chore to play sometimes. i didnt care what happened to any of them.As for Chrono himself, most great main protagonists in RPGS are silent. Its a character trait in and of itself that allows you to inject your own personality into the character and their questions. Chrono only lacked a personality if YOU lacked a personality. So thats your own personal failing.
i dont feel that way. sometimes 'silent hero' is used to avoid creating a hero at all, and other times the silent thing is used BRILLIANTLY to make you actually feel like the hero is your avatar. like in the dragonquest games or persona 3-4. chrono trigger was kinda in the middle imho with the way they used the hero. they didnt give you a ton of options to shape his personality, but the cast's personalities were a bit broad, so it didn't stick out much in the game, i think..
FFVI characters that were memorable are honestly limited to Locke and Sabin, Terra was ok but I can't even remember the rest of their names.
you're the first person i've seen to rank sabin higher than edgar on the memorable character list.
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@Ao:
see, now you're being totally biased.
i can think of 3 ff games which had main casts i found more interesting than ffvii. there actually wasnt a member of the vii cast i found especially interesting or likable, which is probably why it felt like a chore to play sometimes. i didnt care what happened to any of them.I never said VII had the best cast. I was just asking a question: Which FF game has the best cast?
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yeha, but you said you probably know the answer, because you're lumping me in as this ardent vi fanboy it would seem.
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@Ao:
i would say VI, IV, and X in that order. although i havent played I-III or XII yet.
Fully agreed. I'd add IX too, but VI cast is easily the best.
Except maybe for a couple uninteresting ones like Gau, they all get some kind of strong development through the game, which isn't usual, moreso when it's a big and varied main cast of 12. Heck, Celes alone put every female from Cloud's adventure to shame.
The way the relationships develop, including her little "love story" with Locke, has a kind of subtleness almost unexistant in the following two games. Same for the dramatic aspects.And of course, Square is still trying to come up with something as remarkable as the Opera House scene.
X has a good cast too. Not amazing, but good enough. My favorites being Auron and Lulu.
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in IX, i LOVED vivi and beatrix, but there were characters like eiko, that were completely forgettable. i like gau, though. he had that awesome secret scene a lot of people missed in the world of ruin with the reunion of him and his dad.
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Zeromus was cool, but just looked too random. Like they just slapped some monstery metroid-lookin' stuff together, threw a couple of arms in really wierd positions, and called it a day. I think a good balance between the two was Exdeath's forms. First form made sense; he was a demon-infested tree, and he looked like it. Second form was basically all the demons within him partially spewing out, making him this nasty amalgamation.
Exdeath was really creepy indeed, he looked like some Eldrich Abomination that came out of your scariest nightmares.
However, I really liked Kefka's boss fight, when you had to first fight with a random amalgamation of monsters and at the end against Kefka's angelic form. It was a fitting end.
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I think you guys are forgetting something.
Robo shares musical interests with Rick Astley:
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Some people are funny. Some funny people are the ones that get into endless discussions about a 12 year old game they claim to hate. I understand that not everyone likes every game, but there seems to be an undying breed that refuses to stop grasping for straws and coming up with a "FF7 sucks" video. Or thread. Or blogpost, or any other format that lets them get on the topic of the game. Because it sucks.
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Gau is hilarios. definatly memorable XD
@2:50
'cyan, you mad me? puppy dog eyes… Mr Thou.... shiny shiny shiny!!!"
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@Ao:
yeha, but you said you probably know the answer, because you're lumping me in as this ardent vi fanboy it would seem.
i would say VI, IV, and X in that order. although i havent played I-III or XII yet.Not you in particular. I've just noticed that most VII haters claim VI and/or IX as the best. And that's perfectly fine with me; it's their OPINION.
And let me ask this– What do you think the most hated FF games are? This is how I see it:
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@Super-Franky:
Not you in particular. I've just noticed that most VII haters claim VI and/or IX as the best. And that's perfectly fine with me; it's their OPINION.
And let me ask this– What do you think the most hated FF games are? This is how I see it:
1.VII
2.XII
3.VIII2 is the most hated, easily, due to the leveling up system. 1 is the most forgotten. 3 is the most never-played in the US until last year. 5 had Butz as the lead character.
The franchise existed before the playstation, but discussion always ends up boiling down to the games from 6-10.
Part 8 mostly has the distinction of coming between parts 7 and 9, and so is forgotten, due to the fact 7 is the iconic one and 9 was really good, and a lot of people didn't like the drain and junction system. (But I loved its custimization.).
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@robbybevard:
2 is the most hated, easily, due to the leveling up system. 1 is the most forgotten. 3 is the most never-played in the US until last year. 5 had Butz as the lead character.
The franchise existed before the playstation, but discussion always ends up boiling down to the games from 6-10.
Part 8 mostly has the distinction of coming between parts 7 and 9, and so is forgotten, due to the fact 7 is the iconic one and 9 was really good, and a lot of people didn't like the drain and junction system. (But I loved its custimization.).
Maybe I should've been more specific: "Most hated FF game with an actual fanbase."
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You've leveled up!
You're weaker now.
That is all.
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Bumping just to remind people that this thread already exists, since its what the "FF7 review" thread has turned into. (Not to mention the Dissidia topic….)Can we get a merge?
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Well, there IS already a worst/most hated FF game thread. Which has been posted in at length. (I had a long long ass post in there before. I bumped it to make it easy to find. But also… http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?p=1180877
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2 or X-2. .
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You've leveled up!
You're weaker now.
That is all.
Tellah is the worst character I think.
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It's nice when you're trying to conserve magic and one of your characters is losing attack points at a steady rate.
Almost as if he doesn't really matter.
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Though ten is the one that killed the FF series for me, ten 2 butchered the series from the grave to beyond.
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FFVIII sucked. Graphics and FMV's were awesome for its time. Some character designs were pretty cool. Gun swords were pretty cool. Story, for the most part, was pretty good. Junction system was gay. Finding parts to make crappy weapons was gay. Jet was awesome. Space aliens were weird. Secret bosses were ridiculously hard. World was expansive, but confusing. The whole flashback thing was interesting, but annoying. Sand prison torture. Rinoa. A dog. Frisbee. Trains, planes, and automobiles. Rockband? I just can't get myself to play it for a third time…
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Viii was the one where the bosses got stronger depending on your level, right? That game was hilarious, Squall seemed like a parody of cloud. I took it as writ that I was supposed to be laughing at the story.
Diablo was great though.