Felch Discussion Part 4

IceBorg

Ok I don't know if many people heard of this manga but i gotta say its pretty good. Here is a small summary:

"Ichigo Kurosaki has always been able to see ghosts, but this ability doesn't change his life nearly as much as his close encounter with Rukia Kuchiki, a Soul Reaper and member of the mysterious Soul Society. While fighting a Hollow, an evil spirit that preys on humans who display psychic energy, Rukia attempts to lend Ichigo some of her powers so that he can save his family; but much to her surprise, Ichigo absorbs every last drop of her energy. Now a full-fledged Soul Reaper himself, Ichigo quickly learns that the world he inhabits is one full of dangerous spirits and, along with Rukia–who is slowly regaining her powers--it's Ichigo's job to protect the innocent from Hollows and help the spirits themselves find peace."

I find it pretty good, the main character is a bit boring but i bet he gets better. My favorite character is Chad, he is such a badass, he will do awesome stuff in the future. But i like all the main characters. Kubo appears to be a really good author.

So if anybody has read this series whats your thoughts and favorite character? If you have one of course.

Sea

First.
My favourite character is Aizen.

Chrissie

Mine is that butterfly dude.

MetaMario

Nuts, I wanted to make the thread.

Ah well. Here's to another successful thread of Bleach hijinxs and Aizen tomfoolery.

Sammsy

@Sea:

First.
My favourite character is Aizen.

woa dude spoilers please. he doesn't know aizen is faking his death yet, lol

IceBorg

Is the Aizen guy some future character? I haven't read that far ahead. I bet he is a great character then.

And a butterfly character sounds a bit retarded and stupid, but since Bleach has a bit of humor I figure its a gag character like Kon and that should be funny..

I hope to read more so that I experiece the best of this manga.:happy:

Shandian

Chad! He was awesome! Didnt say much but he was so cool, I think he died during Soul Society against that lazy captain because I havent really seen him since…

Ulquirra was awesome too, but how could he predicted that Ichigo would pull something random as super hollow out of his arse when his chest got blown out?

MetaMario

For anyone who wants to take a peek at the past….

Part 1:http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=13261
Part 2:http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=15538
Part 3:http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=25199

Hisoga

my favorites are zoom and shoracehawk… they are truly bleach fans... and now i want to go back to my corner and eat dust and rain..

Chrissie

@IceBorg:

And a butterfly character sounds a bit retarded and stupid, but since Bleach has a bit of humor I figure its a gag character like Kon and that should be funny..

He is hilarious that guy! ^^ You are going to adore him~ :D

And you are gonna be impressed by the detail in his wings. Kubo-sama is such an excellent artist!

Sammsy

i notice so many people being super F*ing pissed and bitching about butterfly theme for aizen.

i'm fine and all with you guys making fun of butterfree aizen, but at least realize his design is a seraph (six winged, highest ranked angel) theme and not a butterfly.

Hisoga

@Chrissie:

Kubo-sama is such an excellent artist!

Yeah… that's why bleach is very interesting and successful manga..

Renegadesoul

@Sammsy:

i notice so many people being super F*ing pissed and bitching about butterfly theme for aizen.

i'm fine and all with you guys making fun of butterfree aizen, but at least realize his design is a seraph (six winged, highest ranked angel) theme and not a butterfly.

I think we had been on this road before.

caterpillar –- Cocoon--- Butterfly = Aizen.

IceBorg

@Renegadesoul:

I think we had been on this road before.

caterpillar –- Cocoon--- Butterfly = Aizen.

Sammsy

@Renegadesoul:

I think we had been on this road before.

caterpillar –- Cocoon--- Butterfly = Aizen.

In Numbers and Deuteronomy the "seraphim" are snakes/serpents - the association of snakes as "burning ones" is possibly due to the burning sensation of the poison. Seraphim are a class of celestial beings in Judaism and Christianity. Literally "burning ones", the word is normally a synonym for snakes when used in the Hebrew bible, but they are mentioned in the Book of Isaiah as fiery six-winged beings attending on God.

Gin refered to himself as a snake and tried to kill Aizen using poison from his blade. And Aizen has six wings now.

Yes i know the whole him being in that cocoon and hatching seems like a butterfly process, so really Kubo just kind of mashed both things together

Renegadesoul

Based on what you stated, I conclude.

Gin is the seraph.

Aizen is still a butterfly.

Sammsy

ha well i'm sure your just bullshitting, just is annoying seeing people truly believe he is supposed to be a butterfly.

i'm fine and will myself mock butterfly aizen, but i know that kubo was intending and mean him to be a seraph, the highest form of angel in the christian religion

Airflow

Aizen's great, I really don't know how Kubo manages to make him funnier and funnier every week. Man's got talent.

IceBorg

@Sammsy:

ha well i'm sure your just bullshitting, just is annoying seeing people truly believe he is supposed to be a butterfly.

i'm fine and will myself mock butterfly aizen, but i know that kubo was intending and mean him to be a seraph, the highest form of angel in the christian religion

But he made him look like a butterfly, so whats your point?

Renegadesoul

His just mocking butterflies all through out the world with Aizen having wings sprouting out of his ass.

Cyan D. Funk

Aizen is the pinnicle of eastern fictional characters.

Sammsy

hell just look at first google image when you type seraphim in it.

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six wings, the whole cross thing aizen has going on now

only thing is that kubo gave him f*ing butterfly type wings and not angel type wings.

IceBorg

@Sammsy:

only thing is that kubo gave him f*ing butterfly type wings and not angel type wings.

So he is a butterfly then.

Chrissie

…Are we really going to have a discussion what species Aizen is supposed to be?

Bucephalus

BLEACH IS SHIT BLEACH IS SHIT BLEACH IS SHIT

bleachhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

my favorite character is Syazel

he's the only character in the series capable of pulling off Aizen's trolling style as good as the master himself

Sammsy

we have kubo attempting to go all biblical battles on us

i mean ichigo is totally the lucifer and aizen is now the michael.

hell look at ichigo's attack names even. like heaven peircer and stuff like that. he gets horns in his mask and so on.

just another attempt from an artist to twist the religion around and make the seemingly typical demon/devil be the one fighting for good instead of the angel

kmohyudin

I still think felch is a stupid thread name…

maxterdexter

But.. Each Butterfly has 4 wings, that means that aizen has 12 Wings! He's beyond a Seraph!

Bucephalus

I just think the title of the thread should be Discussion Part 4.

As the series goes on, the chapter titles have been losing a letter. At this point there should be no letters left at all

MetaMario

@kmohyudin:

I still think felch is a stupid thread name…

Its meaning fits the quality of current Bleach.

IceBorg

@kmohyudin:

I still think felch is a stupid thread name…

Do you know what felch is?

Tokoro Ataru

Honestly I thought we were going to change the name already (at least continue de-evolving it to "Bleh" from "Blech") but people like the Felch so who am I to complain.

Honestly the last chapter I read had this "Aizen guy" claim there is something strange going on in SS to Renji…honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he was tied to it considering he was cut off before finishing up. Oh...and I really hope there are no shota-characters in this so called Gold Saint ripoff they called the Gotei 13...it should be 13 badasses, no shrimpy shota allowed! (oh yeah...that idiot Byakuya...on the other hand, give me more of that fluffy-pillowed Kuukaku...preferably together with that ditzy Orihime)

Daz

@Sammsy:

hell just look at first google image when you type seraphim in it.

! http://images.elfwood.com/art/a/e/aeternus/seraphim.jpg

six wings, the whole cross thing aizen has going on now

only thing is that kubo gave him f*ing butterfly type wings and not angel type wings.

And that the number of wings don't match up.
And that butterflies are supposedly symbols of life/death in japan or something, and have a history in Bleach as well, Whereas angels and that kind of stuff doesn't to my knowledge.

I'm just dropping by for a quick visit inbetween travelling, in a weeks time summer ends and I can devote more time to analyzing this compelling work of fiction.

Oh wait, in the past month the author has gone on record admitting that he invents stuff on the fly when he "feels like it" an may or may not actually explain it later, and has also resorted to "Haters gonna hate if you dont like it dont read it Id like to se YOU do better you CHILD" argumentation.
Seriously, with that interview declaring that Bleach and sense are in parralel dimensions, and Kubo basically giving us a diasshow of evidence for anyone arguing that Bleachs art is repetitive and bland this week, an anti-Bleach fan like myself should be overjoyed.
But instead, I feel the hate again.

Just imagine people, the next time you are at an anime convention.

There will be people reusing their black shinigami uniform for the Nth time, only with black gloves, long haired orange wigs and chains.
And people dressed all in white, with funky contact lenses, brown hair extensions, and butterfly wings.

They will think they are the pinnacle of coolness.

And the worst part:
Other people might agree with them

Pass me some damn haterade

Renegadesoul

@Sammsy:

hell just look at first google image when you type seraphim in it.

! http://images.elfwood.com/art/a/e/aeternus/seraphim.jpg

six wings, the whole cross thing aizen has going on now

only thing is that kubo gave him f*ing butterfly type wings and not angel type wings.

If you compare that to this. One would certainly think of the butterfly to represent Aizen.
WHO's THIS TROLLMON?

Majority: AIZEN!!!!

y2kyle89

So are the chains there so he doesn't drop his sword?

IceBorg

@y2kyle89:

So are the chains there so he doesn't drop his sword?

Its to look "badass".

Those chains are so cool, its so metal.

Chopperrules

I heard this manga will revolutionize the way authors write manga. I have not read a chapter of this masterpiece. Would you charming young lads and ladies tell me about the extravagant work I'm missing so far?

IceBorg

Bleach is so unique.

RBoar

@y2kyle89:

So are the chains there so he doesn't drop his sword?

About that:

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It's not very easy to tell. With all the black on Ichigo's uniform, the chain doesn't stand out much and isn't all that distinct. It would be unrecognizable if it weren't for the little breaks down the middle, which makes it impossible to know whether it's attached to his glove or his sword or both. The original page isn't that much better, either.

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Though it at least shows some of his hilt. Seriously, this is some bad shading and positioning. I can't even see if Ichigo's shoulder is supposed to be covered there - it's like Kubo decided to use Photoshop and put the layer with Isshin under Ichigo's armless body.

His Zanpakuto still looks like a billy club in the original, by the way.

Bucephalus

so why is his dad even unconscious

is it because his SOUL ENERGY was so DEEP that he passed out, or something generic and played out like that?

RBoar

@Bucephalus:

so why is his dad even unconscious

is it because his SOUL ENERGY was so DEEP that he passed out, or something generic and played out like that?

It's because he used up his energy in helping Ichigo train. However, I believe this is the sort of thing that kills someone. Isshin might be dead for all we know.

IceBorg

@Bucephalus:

so why is his dad even unconscious

is it because his SOUL ENERGY was so DEEP that he passed out, or something generic and played out like that?

Because Kubo loves one on one fights.

Tokoro Ataru

@Chopperrules:

I heard this manga will revolutionize the way authors write manga. I have not read a chapter of this masterpiece. Would you charming young lads and ladies tell me about the extravagant work I'm missing so far?

It's some series named after the first Nirvana album (before "Nevermind") about some redheaded poser who becomes a death god. Think YYH's spiritual concepts, St. Seiya's structure and DB's flashy fights…only second-rate.

Hiroy

Prediction-
-Flashback of training
-Ichigo will lose
-OR He'll win only to see another Aizen hax he has to fight somewhere else.
-125 chapters later
-Ichigo trains agian
-More Aizen trolling

No Maam

@MetaMario:

For anyone who wants to take a peek at the past….

Part 1:http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=13261
Part 2:http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=15538
Part 3:http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=25199

Thanks . Prety bloody sad the old thread had to get closed though . So much lulz in there :(

@RBoar:

It's because he used up his energy in helping Ichigo train. However, I believe this is the sort of thing that kills someone. Isshin might be dead for all we know.

Depends , how popular is he with the fans ?

RBoar

@No:

Depends , how popular is he with the fans ?

That's a question I don't have an answer for. The last time I checked in on any popularity polls, Isshin was sitting there are #49, and the vote count was laughable. This was before his reappearance with Aizen going over Ichigo's life story however, so it might have changed. Someone with the data will have to clear it up.

IceBorg

Japenese people have horrible taste when it comes to character populary polls.

No Maam

Well Ichigo was not number 1 recentish so that counts for something .

Yeah I know who was , stil amusing if you realise he beat the main fucking character :P

RBoar

@IceBorg:

Japenese people have horrible taste when it comes to character populary polls.

The problem with this is that everyone always seems to overestimate the reading material and the readers of that material when it comes to Shonen Jump and other related magazines. For the most part, they're still catered to kids who can't be more than twelve or fourteen. You can't expect them to make well-thought decisions when it comes to a poll found in a weekly or monthly comic book at that age, even more so if we take it as a majority. Especially important is remembering how much emphasis there is on 'action', and I don't necessarily mean 'fighting' like in battle manga. A great part of appeal found in graphic works is that we can see what people are doing and thinking, taking less focus on inquisitive thought during a read. Obviously, a book would need to maintain a sense that something is happening, but a good deal of allure in illustration is the sense of immediacy conveyed by having the elements right in front of you and in your hands.

It doesn't help that getting a job in the industry, especially if you're making a serial, requires a lot of fantastic or out of the ordinary elements. That in mind makes it a given that most people have a predetermined desire to get involved in aforementioned fantasy. Sure, there's Slice of Life, Romantic Comedy and such. More often than not there's still going to be some surrealistic and quirky thought put in. It's all part of High Concept: in the case of Shonen, emphasizing the excitement and thrill aspects by taking, say, Table Tennis and doing something weird like putting it in space. This is how people get hooked, so it shouldn't come as any surprise if popularity polls seem strange or off in the case of certain characters. It's just young boys and girls wanting a fantastic escapist magazine to fill up a part of their daily life; the rest are looked upon with as much scorn as the great neckbeards of Marvel and DC.

It's no Golden Age for Japan or America.

[hide]tl;dr: Jerks aren't reading Mark Millar for Terry Pratchett.[/hide]

GetsugaZoro

@IceBorg:

Japenese people have horrible taste when it comes to character populary polls.

They can say the same about you, tastes.

(dunno if you were jkg)