It would be way cooler if the Timeskip was at 601
Then there would be precisely 500 chapters at the Grand Line…
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Yeah, I probably have a minor OCD
Luffy's Message
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@JERK:
596: 3-4 crewmates
597: 3-2 crewmates, maybe some stuff
598: message revealed, Luffy & Ray
599: Haki introduction, and send offTIMESKIP
600: A year later…
I'd prefer:
596 - 597: crewmates + supernovas or some insight on kuma in SA
598: message revealed, Luffy & Ray + Haki introduction
599: crew begins to move (someone tipping off wg, or they could just find out)TIMESKIP
600: REUNITED (ready to kick ass and show off some new moves)
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maybe they will defend fishman island
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@JERK:
Next few chapter should have remaining Strawhats. Ending with Luffy and Rayleigh plus a formal explanation of what the message actually meant.
Maybe one final cameo Oda wants to throw in to whet our appetites, probably something big.Like this.
596: 3-4 crewmates
597: 3-2 crewmates, maybe some stuff
598: message revealed, Luffy & Ray
599: Haki introduction, and send offTIMESKIP
600: A year later…
That sounds proper,
The only major characters to be updated are Kizaru (who I don't think needs any development) and Garp who I guess will probably be shown with Coby either explaining Haki to him or continuing the training regime.
I don't think we will see Luffy's training at all but will simply get a hint about it being Haki related. It will be interesting to see who takes up the responsibility. Ray is the obvious choice but Jimbei could be involved too, how awesome would it be if Luffy learns some Fishman Karate…
I don't think Hancock despite being strong has a 'teacher' streak in her. She's far too arrogant at the best of times, and goes to pieces around Luffy so I don't see her doing much other than fawning over him. If they do go and train on AL I expect people like Margaruite to help in the training. They seem to be helpful and have been sufficiently fleshed out for some role to play.
I think the one big mystery to be resolved Pre-Timeskip is what happened with Kuma and the gang in SA with the Sunny. The outcome of this will have a profound impact on the crew's reunion plans. I don't think we can expect Sunny to be lost, not when its been built up the way it has, but IF what Doflamingo says is true and Kuma has indeed become a mindless robot, what's to stop him? Especially if there is a 1 year or more timeskip this issue has huge bearing on the crew.
Interesting stuff to look forward to as always.
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These are all good ideas and could all very well happen. I don't know what Kuma is going to do but it will probably blow my mind like Oda always does.
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@JERK:
Maybe one final cameo Oda wants to throw in to whet our appetites, probably something big.
Kizaru and Sentoumaro. Are the only we're still missing, perhaps Oda will present us Vegapunk with them, that would be the only way to surprass the Aokiji and Akainu cameos.
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Trying to figure out this message has been such a fun experience after reading 15 pages of these forums I decided to make my own account to give an opinion ^^.
And yes I know no one gives a crap about that ^
I got a theory on his message though I might need a little help from someone who can speak jap fluently to make more sense out of it.
Now first of all the message had to be delivered from a newspaper through their actions and this points towards a possible play with words.
The message would have to be mix between his actions and a play of words.
"ring" or "circle", "16", "Flower bouquet" and "Silent prayer" maybe just "prayer"
Looking up some of these words on a dictionary I came out with
"Nakama juuroku ikebana shizukana inori"
I found out that circle can actually be translated to Nakama as in "A circle of friends".
Juuroku is 16, tsuyoku means stronger (I know tsuyoi means strong not sure what difference the "ku" makes but i heard luffy saying tsuyoku when he was referring to becoming stronger) this would be a perfect example of playing with words.As for the flowers and prayer I'm thinking its more of a symbolic way of saying he's got over his emotional state after Ace's death. There might be a hidden play with words on there as well but I couldn't find anything with my limited japanese knowledge.
So to me, If I was reading the paper like any of his nakama, the message would be:
"I am not alone, I currently have Rayleigh and Jimbei with me." Because they just freaking busted back into Marine HQ and stole a ship
"I will sail after you my friends" the ring around HQ (im really not sure about this part)
"Meanwhile I will be getting stronger" This would be when he rushes to the bell alone and rings it 16 times for a clever play with words. The reason only his crew would understand is because they understand very well how their captain felt when kuma tossed everyone off SA. Not just that it means something completely different WG and other pirates… Or maybe I'm just overthinking all this o.o
"Don't worry about me I got over Ace's death" I would assume this has something to do with the bouquet and quiet prayer those 2 last actions have more possibilities imo I just couldn't think of anything myself :/
As for the tatoo... it would be just dumb to have a written message when you're doing your best to send out a hidden message only those close of you would understand might as well just write down everything on a piece of paper and let them take a picture of it :/
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The problem is that the two years estimate comes from the lame "SA2Y" theory (seriously, look at Oda's English - he's not going to use abbreviations; besides, it really doesn't look like that at all to me.) Also, that's awful long for a bunch of people who've been out at sea for less than a year. The longest I can see it lasting is until the New Year (one possible interpretation of the bells.)
It looks more like
3D2Y to me. So meet not in 3 days but 2 years. -
It looks more like 3D2Y to me. So meet not in 3 days but 2 years.
…how does that address what I said? It's still a horrible English abbreviation and it still can't be seen clearly (it looks like S-O-Omega-Y to me.) If the message were in the tattoo, everyone would have a different interpretation, like everyone here in the forums.
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I feel Law somewhat understood the message and is timing things accordingly. If this is true then he is not about to wait around 2 years to enter the NW.
During this supposed 2 yr time skip the rest of SN that are already in the NW will only advance more in that world. That amount of time works more against Luffy getting stronger. Part of getting strong is the environment and the NW is the only place that more real strength can be gained.
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@JERK:
596: 3-4 crewmates
597: 3-2 crewmates, maybe some stuff
598: message revealed, Luffy & Ray
599: Haki introduction, and send offTIMESKIP
600: A year later…
600 would be a great marker, but Oda's timing never seems to work out right, so who knows. I agree with the general outline of the chapters though, but with the inclusion of the Five Elder Stars, Doflamingo, and now Blackbeard, I'm thinking Oda might cycle through all the big players and not just the rookies and new entries of the New World. Robin and Zoro's stories will cover Dragon and Mihawk respectively, so that should just leave Marco and the Whitebeard remnants, Shanks, and perhaps a silhouette of Big Mom and/or Kaidou. I suppose it is possible Oda will touch on Moria's status, but given Doflamingo's scene that might be too soon. I suppose the same could be said of Kaidou because of Drake's scene.
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…how does that address what I said? It's still a horrible English abbreviation and it still can't be seen clearly (it looks like S-O-Omega-Y to me.) If the message were in the tattoo, everyone would have a different interpretation, like everyone here in the forums.
Every different interpretation of the armband/text is the result of people not reading it clearly and characters within the fiction are much better at making out symbols from blurry images than the readers are.
There's no question regarding how many times he rung the bell, how many laps they travelled around the island, how long he stood in "prayer" or what have you, but the hypothesizes based on these actions are all over the place.
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612 would mark 100 chapters since zoro vanished.
But that feels quite a bit too long.
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…how does that address what I said? It's still a horrible English abbreviation and it still can't be seen clearly (it looks like S-O-Omega-Y to me.) If the message were in the tattoo, everyone would have a different interpretation, like everyone here in the forums.
omega Y could work, omega-end y-year, wala end of the year.
I do not really think that though, I think the tatoo has significance, but I doubt we will be able to figure it out.
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Every different interpretation of the armband/text is the result of people not reading it clearly and characters within the fiction are much better at making out symbols from blurry images than the readers are.
There's no question regarding how many times he rung the bell, how many laps they travelled around the island, how long he stood in "prayer" or what have you, but the hypothesizes based on these actions are all over the place.
what? Why do you think that.
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We could have:
596,597:crew and Luffy
Timeskip
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601 would be better, but it's whatever.
I just want one more badass colorspread from Part I for the final chapter, although what we just got now is probably the last one.
I didn't see any animals, just the Straw Hats.Don't y'all even dare say Chopper.
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In regards to when and where the Straw Hats will meet, I think that Kuma told Rayleigh and Shakky where he sent the Straw Hats, and part of his plan was that after Luffy and Rayleigh were done training, that they would grab the Sunny and go get the others, instead of them leaving to wherever, which explains why Chopper went back, and also why Nami called Luffy selfish, because he was telling them to stay where they were but as we all know, Nami is currently on the run. The only flaw I see in this is that Nami is in a Sky Island and Brook was taken who knows where.
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Oh yea, and the people of Future Island are probably clamoring for Franky's arrest right now.
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That's the one thing I can't figure out right now. What the deal with the Kuma/Shakky scene is.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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@JERK:
That's the one thing I can't figure out right now. What the deal with the Kuma/Shakky scene is.
That's a scene nobody can work out right now. We'll just have to wait and see what Oda is gonna do.
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@JERK:
That's the one thing I can't figure out right now. What the deal with the Kuma/Shakky scene is.
I figure we'll get more answers about that when we see Robin next, since it should include Dragon. If not… who knows.
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I do not think the message was telling the SH's "Get stronger," because Luffy has never once put the responsibility for doing that, in all of these past 594 chapters, on the crew. He himself has always taken that burden upon himself, and that is supported was his reaction to losing the crew at SA and his reaction to losing Ace–I am weak–not WE are weak.
I think that the message was telling them to wait to meet up–that it's too dangerous now, that he isn't alone and is sad about but not crushed under Ace's death, and somehow a reasurance to them that he intended to get stronger so the utter defeat they experienced wouldn't happen again. To me that would explain why the crewmates we have seen are so determined to help him and think about how he's consistantly supported them and that now they need to return to favor.
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That's possible. Looking at the way Chopper and Sanji are acting it's almost like they're deciding to become better on their own out of devotion to Luffy.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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@JERK:
That's possible. Looking at the way Chopper and Sanji are acting it's almost like they're deciding to become better on their own out of devotion to Luffy.
Yeah that's the way it read to me. Especially Chopper–but Sanji too--it's notable that he's never said anything like that before (I mean specifically about supporting Luffy in his quest), really, (that I can remember, lol) other than when he was one upping Zoro on TB when they were both willing to give their all to save Luffy's head from Kuma.
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Hmmm maybe the message is something like "this is the last time i loose someone important to me". At the same time he´s showing to be okay and in good care with two powerfull allyes protecting him. So for the first time Luffy is asking for the crew to become a lot stronger, he playing that bell 16 times is a sign of a new start for his crew. "We end being rookies and now be prepared for the NW".
Pretty much this is what i understand. (fuck that tattoo)
Sorry for my english :P
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@I:
I do not think the message was telling the SH's "Get stronger," because Luffy has never once put the responsibility for doing that, in all of these past 594 chapters, on the crew. He himself has always taken that burden upon himself, and that is supported was his reaction to losing the crew at SA and his reaction to losing Ace–I am weak–not WE are weak.
I think that the message was telling them to wait to meet up–that it's too dangerous now, that he isn't alone and is sad about but not crushed under Ace's death, and somehow a reasurance to them that he intended to get stronger so the utter defeat they experienced wouldn't happen again. To me that would explain why the crewmates we have seen are so determined to help him and think about how he's consistantly supported them and that now they need to return to favor.
That's seems about right, is what a fan of one piece that isn't distracted by red herings will get, that plus Zoro's analisys.
About Kuma vs Shakey, I'm kind of worried for that development, and I'm anoyed that probably we won't know untill we got back to shabody, and even LONGER if they get there and nothing wrong happened.
My personal opinion? Either Kuma "Pacifista x-00" status is actibable, or Vegapunk is not completely on the WG's side, Total defeat of FFRiders, Shakey and Tako8 team seems too evil, and even if we don't personaly know Shaky's strenght as a pirate of old she could possibly defeat kuma but she can't be strong enough to guarantee the safety of everyone involved, specialy against the PX0.
Even if she manages to defeat, the WG will know that he was beaten, and that where they sent him there are people strong enough to take down the prototype pacifista, and send someone stronger.
So, I think is more possible the peaceful solution.
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@I:
I do not think the message was telling the SH's "Get stronger," because Luffy has never once put the responsibility for doing that, in all of these past 594 chapters, on the crew. He himself has always taken that burden upon himself, and that is supported was his reaction to losing the crew at SA and his reaction to losing Ace–I am weak–not WE are weak.
I think that the message was telling them to wait to meet up–that it's too dangerous now, that he isn't alone and is sad about but not crushed under Ace's death, and somehow a reasurance to them that he intended to get stronger so the utter defeat they experienced wouldn't happen again. To me that would explain why the crewmates we have seen are so determined to help him and think about how he's consistantly supported them and that now they need to return to favor.
Great point.
I have no clue what the message is, but if we pay attention to what the SH's goals are it is clear they are taking their job on the ship into account before anything else. Sanji is learning new cooking techniques, Chopper is researching more medicine. They seem to have taken the concept of getting stronger on their own initiative.
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I've thought it more carefully, and I think on Luffy's tattoo it's written de following:
3D2Y
The first two are crossed out. I think it means "3 days", wich was something Luffy said at Shabondy:http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-511/page009.html
But now things have turned out very complicated, and since with just 3 days it would be impossible to survive The New World, he decided their meeting won't take place till 2 years later: 2Y
If it's something only the crew would understand, it can only be this.
3DS FC: 0087 - 2971 - 9910
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That's actually the best theory about the tattoo i've seen. Good one.
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3DS FC: 0087 - 2971 - 9910
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That's epic right there. If this happens, we need to give that guy a couple stars.
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I notice noone has mentioned the places where Sanji and Chopper made some sort of comment about "If we see you again" or the like when thinking about their answer to Luffy's message. Makes me nervous. Anyone have any ideas about that?
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There's no way that's a tat if it really is meant to say "Not 3 days but 2 years".
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Thanks, and take a look at this. I found it in 2ch:
http://www.kochino.com/up/download/1280823730.png
The meeting can't take place in "3 days" anymore, so till "2 years".
Genius. If it's not that, then it has to be some random thing Oda thought of.
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I guess we will be told the meaning of the message with full detail by one of the crewmembers, particularly by the smartest one in the crew.
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@Zik:
There's no way that's a tat if it really is mean to say "Not 3 days but 2 years".
Maybe he just wrote it with a pen :/ Kinda like the X mark back in Alabasta.
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I guess we will be told the meaning of the message with full detail by one of the crewmembers, particularly by the smartest one in the crew.
Either Nami or Robin then.
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i dont think the tattoo will look as its depicted in that photo at all. it might just be some distant scribble to represent his new tattoo.
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I have see the 3d2y thing before, and I am skeptical. Based on what we think the tatoo is it is rather clever, but I really think the message is going to be something that we cannot guess completely because we do not have all the information. Sort of like how no one knew that Chopper would learn to do some new doctor stuff, because no one knew about the library on that island. We have been given probably about 40 percent of the puzzle and I doubt we can really figure out what it means.
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Trying to figure out this message has been such a fun experience after reading 15 pages of these forums I decided to make my own account to give an opinion ^^.
And yes I know no one gives a crap about that ^
I got a theory on his message though I might need a little help from someone who can speak jap fluently to make more sense out of it.
Now first of all the message had to be delivered from a newspaper through their actions and this points towards a possible play with words.
The message would have to be mix between his actions and a play of words.
"ring" or "circle", "16", "Flower bouquet" and "Silent prayer" maybe just "prayer"
Looking up some of these words on a dictionary I came out with
"Nakama juuroku ikebana shizukana inori"
I found out that circle can actually be translated to Nakama as in "A circle of friends".
Juuroku is 16, tsuyoku means stronger (I know tsuyoi means strong not sure what difference the "ku" makes but i heard luffy saying tsuyoku when he was referring to becoming stronger) this would be a perfect example of playing with words.As for the flowers and prayer I'm thinking its more of a symbolic way of saying he's got over his emotional state after Ace's death. There might be a hidden play with words on there as well but I couldn't find anything with my limited japanese knowledge.
So to me, If I was reading the paper like any of his nakama, the message would be:
"I am not alone, I currently have Rayleigh and Jimbei with me." Because they just freaking busted back into Marine HQ and stole a ship
"I will sail after you my friends" the ring around HQ (im really not sure about this part)
"Meanwhile I will be getting stronger" This would be when he rushes to the bell alone and rings it 16 times for a clever play with words. The reason only his crew would understand is because they understand very well how their captain felt when kuma tossed everyone off SA. Not just that it means something completely different WG and other pirates… Or maybe I'm just overthinking all this o.o
"Don't worry about me I got over Ace's death" I would assume this has something to do with the bouquet and quiet prayer those 2 last actions have more possibilities imo I just couldn't think of anything myself :/
As for the tatoo... it would be just dumb to have a written message when you're doing your best to send out a hidden message only those close of you would understand might as well just write down everything on a piece of paper and let them take a picture of it :/
I have no idea whether your theory is true or not given that my Japanese vocabulary is highly limited, but if the translations / puns are true then this would make perfect sense.
Not only is the message itself bang on target but the sneaky way its delivered makes it fit perfectly into why only the crew would understand. The multi layered approach to a simple message would make sense since its Ray who came up with it anyway.
I think most people on this forum have been wondering if the message was hidden in words and gestures but instead of looking at the whole picture people have been focusing on single aspects like the tatoo.
Heck in the end, it might be that the tattoo WAS the only important part, but till then your theory is the best explanation so far.
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@I:
I do not think the message was telling the SH's "Get stronger," because Luffy has never once put the responsibility for doing that, in all of these past 594 chapters, on the crew. He himself has always taken that burden upon himself, and that is supported was his reaction to losing the crew at SA and his reaction to losing Ace–I am weak–not WE are weak.
I think that the message was telling them to wait to meet up–that it's too dangerous now, that he isn't alone and is sad about but not crushed under Ace's death, and somehow a reasurance to them that he intended to get stronger so the utter defeat they experienced wouldn't happen again. To me that would explain why the crewmates we have seen are so determined to help him and think about how he's consistantly supported them and that now they need to return to favor.
Maybe Kuma told Rayleigh that he sent the Straw Hats to these places on purpose, and Rayleigh told Luffy that they can get stronger there etc…
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take a look at this. I found it in 2ch:
http://www.kochino.com/up/download/1280823730.png
The meeting can't take place in "3 days" anymore, so till "2 years".
This was my first thought when I saw the tatoo. Imo this is the right interpretation.
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The the person who wrote that fucking novel a few pages back. I read the whole thing, and I just got one thing to say mostly…
You need a girlfriend if you have time enough to write all of that, you could be gettin laid. Just sayin
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Personally i really like the theory that A.M.Zinthos! purposed cuz i don't want a time skip,i hate time skips! But if u look at all of it u can see that he rings the bell 16 times and 16/2 = 8 and ringing it 8 times is saying a year has gone by. Im thinking he rang it 16times for 2 years and got a tattoo saying 2Y,kinda makes sense.
In fact i think its a combination of both theory's , 16bell rings for the times (2years) and the lap around marine ford to tell them they "died" at SA ,he's telling them to get stronger and that they only have 2 years,i hope its not though,cuz i hate time skips.
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Personally i really like the theory that A.M.Zinthos! purposed cuz i don't want a time skip,i hate time skips! But if u look at all of it u can see that he rings the bell 16 times and 16/2 = 8 and ringing it 8 times is saying a year has gone by. Im thinking he rang it 16times for 2 years and got a tattoo saying 2Y,kinda makes sense.
In fact i think its a combination of both theory's , 16bell rings for the times (2years) and the lap around marine ford to tell them they "died" at SA ,he's telling them to get stronger and that they only have 2 years,i hope its not though,cuz i hate time skips.
8 rings for the year ending, and 8 ring for the new year is the explanation we were given in the chapter.
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@AMS:
8 rings for the year ending, and 8 ring for the new year is the explanation we were given in the chapter.
oh i thought it was 8 rings for the end of a year, well my bad if im wrong
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Thanks, and take a look at this. I found it in 2ch:
http://www.kochino.com/up/download/1280823730.png
The meeting can't take place in "3 days" anymore, so till "2 years".
If you're right, then I love you! :wub:
2 years for some reason seems too long though. I mean the only thing that's missing from this secret message is the tattoo. So hopefully we'll see what it really means next chapter.
And let's all pray to god aka Oda the timeskip doesn't ruin the series ala Naruto (even though it was crappy already).
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Why do so many people think there's even the tiniest chance Oda will suddenly become a crappy author and botch the coming timeskip? I get the feeling everyone saying that was raised on Naruto and is under the delusion that the timeskip before the Saiyan arc somehow ruined Dragonball (imo Cell arc is where DB went bad, but Buu kinda fixed things).There're plenty of examples of good timeskips in comics and literature, it's just that everyone's so hung up on the bad ones done by crappy authors, but is Oda a crappy author? Do you really believe he'll screw things up?
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