I'm almost positive that this will be better, consider this one is directed by David Ayer and not Zack Snyder, even though I did like BvS, I will admit it was a mess.
DC Movies Thread - Shazam saves the day
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This particular quote got a chuckle out of me:
"Warner Bros. appears to be taking steps to make sure Justice League doesn’t suffer from the same issues. Whatever the case, it sounds like we can bet on Eisenberg’s Luthor resurfacing at some point in the film—assuming he doesn’t end up on the cutting room floor, of course."
I suppose you're damned if you dump Eisenberg and damned if you don't. Pretty much they shot themself in the foot by casting him in the first place.
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Ugh. I hope it's a very small role. He's the worst part in BvS. I really didn't want more of him. I can't imagine him spending time in prison and being less loopy.
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valiantt pretty much summed it up perfectly. I hated Eisenberg as Luthor and was thoroughly annoyed by the character's antics…but at the same time, the movie would become even weaker if the (badly presented) set-up for a collaboration between Luthor and Darkseid would never come to pass in the future. So yeah, that's what you get for completely messing up an important character, lol. Stupid DC.
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Luthor shows up for two minutes to be immidiately evaporated by Darkseid.
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Only if Darkseid disentegrates him by way of a jar of piss
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Darkseid pisses acid?
Darkseid pisses acid.
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Here we go again.
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Im hype, more stuff to discuss!
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Feeling like watching DC animated movies? Any recommendations beyond the animated version of BvS?
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Feeling like watching DC animated movies? Any recommendations beyond the animated version of BvS?
Relevant thread here: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=32632
FWIW, personally I'd suggest Mask of Phantasm (filled my heart as the Definitive Batman Movie after my praise for Nolanverse has slowly ebbed off over the years), Under the Red Hood (better than the comics!) and Gods and Monsters (SNYDER THIS IS HOW YOU DO 'Dark and Edgy')
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aye thanks was not aware we had that one my bad.
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Feeling like watching DC animated movies? Any recommendations beyond the animated version of BvS?
New Frontier. Its THE Justice League movie.
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/06/justice-leagues-new-title-revealed
so the JL movie official title will simply be "Justice League"
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/06/justice-leagues-new-title-revealed
so the JL movie official title will simply be "Justice League"
Let's not try to copy off Avenger's while still copying off Avengers.
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Let's not try to copy off Avenger's while still copying off Avengers.
Wait, how is that copying Avengers?
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Avengers Infintity War Part 1
Justice League Part 1Now instead it's just Justice League the same way the first Avengers movie is just plainly named "The Avengers".
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Avengers Infintity War Part 1
Justice League Part 1Now instead it's just Justice League the same way the first Avengers movie is just plainly named "The Avengers".
Hm, I don't see it as copying it, but I could be wrong. Either way, I prefer it just be called Justice League, no subtitle required.
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Avengers Infintity War Part 1
Justice League Part 1Now instead it's just Justice League the same way the first Avengers movie is just plainly named "The Avengers".
no no according to the article it's dropping the "part 1" extension too
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no no according to the article it's dropping the "part 1" extension too
Yeah incidentally that was decided upon sometime before they made the same decision with Justice League.
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MUH GOD! Gym Gordon. xD The hell does he need to be this jacked for?^^
Especially being a comissioner and not a regular cop anymore. Oh, maybe this will be also for the upcoming batman solo movie where he will kick some major ass?
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Good for him. I mean I doubt he'll be getting a ton of action scenes as that's never really been Gordon's place, but good for J.K.!
…and also for us because we got these
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Holy sh**
Commissioner Gordon is adding 2 extra guns for backup.
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Holy sh**
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Now that's the Gym Gordon I know.
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The J in JK Simmons apparently stands for Jacked.
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Ultimate Cut added scenes
! You sure you want to get spoiled?
! Ok….
! * Bruce saves more than one kid at the Black Zero event. He’s the BatDad we deserve.- More violence shown in the village. More dialogue from the African man Lois was interviewing.
- The KGBeast burns the bodies of the men he shot to frame Superman for the killing. An actress hired by Lex confirms that Superman was the one who did it.
- Jimmy Olsen say “I’m Jimmy Olsen”. Him and Lois’ first exchange is funny.
- The CIA attempts to bomb the village with Lois still held captive. Clark intervenes.
- Insignificant: When Clark first starts his investigation in Gotham, there’s male couple kissing in the background on the ferry.
- Clark goes investigating in Gotham, he’s supposed to be there to write his article on the football game, but instead goes to interview the actress Lex hired. She’s not there, but his investigation in The Batman begins here.
- We see 2 different opinions on Batman. A woman claims the only reason to be frightened of Batman is if you have a reason to be. A man says implies that Batman has changed, now everyone should be afraid. “He’s angry and he’s hunting.”
- More Clark/Lois interaction. He’s worried about her investigation into the bullet. He says it’s too dangerous. She says that’s why she didn’t tell him about it.
- Lex has more of a background presence. Clark is assigned to the library benefit because ‘someone requested Clark Kent cover the event’. So clearly Lex already knows who he is from the beginning. Meaning he wanted Clark and Bruce to meet.
- Insignificant: Perry calls Clark a nerd.
- More Lex dialog with Finch. “Maybe if I keep everything the same Dad will come back.” He talks about his Dad almost as if he’s not dead.
- There’s a quick Bruce Wayne shower scene. Yes, we see Ben’s ass. Yes, it looks good.
- Clark calls his mom after the watching the Senator Finch interview. He asks why his dad never left Kansas and ask why can’t life be more simple. Martha responds nothing was ever simple.
- We see Lex pulling the strings more and more. He has the man Batman branded kill while in prison. Then he has the pics sent to Clark.
- There’s a new scene with Jon Stewart roasting Superman.
- Jena Malone plays an unmade forensic scientist.
- Extended scene with Diana she’s talking with a Curator about the sword on display.
- The Knightmare scene is longer. We see all the trucks arriving at the compound Batman is at. There’s a longer shot of Batman walking to the truck. Also an extended scene of Batman fighting the Superman soldiers.
- There’s a scene with Clark trying to find out what happened to the man who was killed. He talks with his girlfriend outside of the GCPD. She tells him words won’t stop Batman, only fists.
- Longer moment between Clark and his mom, she’s giving him advice.
- The actress Lex hired sees the KGBeast waiting outside her apartment as she gets off the bus. She stays on the bus.
- She goes to see Senator Finch to tell her the truth before the senate meeting. The pieces of the African plot line start slowing falling into place.
- Lois realizes the entire thing was a setup. She tells Perry to run the story. Lex set the whole thing up, it was an ambush for Superman.
- Senator knows everything. Lex threatened and coerced that actress into lying about Superman. She realizes Lex has been using the senate, playing them like puppets.
- The KGBeast pushes the african actress in front of a subway car to silence her.
- When Finch says “Today is a day for truth.” she was talking about Lex setting up Superman. That’s when she sees ‘granny’s peach tea’. In the context of the UE at that moment she realizes she’s been played when she sees Lex’s empty seat.
- After the senate explosion, victims are being treated on the steps outside. Superman is flying victims out of the wreckage. He’s helping. He’s saving people. He sees all the damaged caused, of the dead bodies and blames himself. He locks eyes with Lois, and flies away. (Ok so I legit teared up bye)
- There’s a scene with Alfred chopping wood. Out side the Wayne residence. He goes inside looking for Bruce and sees what happened at the senate meeting. The returned checks from Wallace sit on a coffee table. He seems to realize that Bruce is about to do something reckless. He turns to face the lake, worried.
- We see Lex watch footage of Batman breaking into Lexcorp to steal the Kryptonite. He smirks. All according to plan.
- Longer montage of Bruce weaponizing the Kryptonite and a little bit longer of him working out. (God…)
- We see people blaming Superman for the attack on the capital. News outlets are saying if he’s so powerful, why couldn’t he stop a bomber a few feet away from him? There’s a protest where they hang and burn a Superman doll in frustration.
- Longer scene of Clark in the mountains. He walks by a group of men by the base of the mountain. As he walks by they say “He knows the mountain is not passable. He’s come to die.”
- Lois is watching the news. Lex apparently planted bomb materials for investigators to find in Wallace’s apartment. Superman has not been ruled out as a co-conspirator. We cut to Lex on the helipad as the news channel still talks about evidence pointing to Superman being involved. He smirks.
- Lois goes to Wallace’s apartment. It’s completely changed from the scene where we see Lex give him the wheel chair. Anti-Superman graffiti everywhere. Bomb making material on the desk. Lois realizes that Wallace had just bought groceries. She conclude he didn’t know he was going to die that day.
- She calls Jena Malone’s character again. That bullet from the desert? Wallace’s new wheel chair? Both made from the same metal. The same metal Lexcorp manufactures. Also the wheelchair was lined with lead. So even if Clark checked, he wouldn’t have known it was a bomb.
- We see the full Lois kidnapping scene. (Her being dragged out to a truck)
- After the BvS fight, Alfred tells Bruce where Martha Kent is. Bruce says “I don’t deserve you Alfred.” “No, you don’t.” is Alfred’s response.
- When Clark goes to confront Lex he says “You lose.” Lex says “I don’t know how to lose.” Clark says “You’ll learn.” Lex mockingly says “I’ll learn! I don’t hate the sinner, I hate the sin. And yours, my friend, is existing.” So basically this whole scene is like 2 minutes longer.
- There’s a scene of Martha getting rescued by the GCPD after Batman saves her from the warehouse.
- There’s a scene with Lex in the Kryptonian ship communicating with what is presumed to be Steppenwolf, 3 mother boxes, and an outline of Earth’s solar system. This scene was also released on YouTube back in March.
- The end montage is longer. Metropolis is shown to be empty, leaves blow through the street. Business’ are closed. The Daily Planet shut down. Why? Because everyone in Metropolis is attending Superman’s funeral.
- The Daily Planet staff attends Clark’s funeral in Kansas. Pete Ross and Lana Lang from Man of Steel are also there.
- The priest presiding over Clark’s funeral reads a passage about resurrection and the “Earth giving birth to the dead”.
- BRUCE PAYS FOR CLARK’S FUNERAL BYE I’M GONE
- In the prison scene, Lex makes it abundantly clear that he knows Batman is Bruce. Lex says “Look at us. This is how it all caves in. Civilization. Wayne Manors. Out the window. But who would believe me? I’m insane. I’m not even fit to stand trial.” He laughs. Bruce says “That’s right, we have hospitals to treat and heal with compassion. But that’s not where you’re going. I arranged for you to be transferred to Arkham Asylum (Suicide Squad cameo confirmed?) in Gotham.” Lex quickly stops smiling.
! For the last line, info is floating that it's "Civilization on the wane, manners out the window.".
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Okay….sounds like we totally got screwed out of a decent movie.
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We should have most of that stuff in the movie. So they basically butchered the movie with the editing? Those were all scenes filmed before the movie's launch right?
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Unless a film is super tightly boarded and scripted at the start, most films end up running about 3 hours on a first pass edit, and then get trimmed down for pacing reasons to fit into a 2 hour or less run time.
Usually its a few seconds here, a line there, something that turns out to be redundant once you see it all together, something that kills the pace, a scene that just wasn't needed and it doesn't hurt the film at all to have it gone.
If a film that is already 2.5 hours long needs an extra 30 minutes to explain itself, then it still has problems, and generally adding in a little more expositiory dialogue isn't going to wholecloth fix the problems.
See also the Hobbit films… where in the theatrical they cut out some important stuff from the books that should have stayed in, while leaving in goofy filler that could have been much more readily cut. You can soooort of say with those that they always knew there would be extended editions so they didn't put the full effort into the theatrical edition... but really, those were a case where they could have cut a lot more for a more rewarding experience.
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The turnaround opinion on this movie because of a bunch of extra scenes is baffling to me. The movie had much more problems than just a shoddy plot. Having Superman save a handful of people and Jena Malone play some ARGUS flunkie doesn't change that. Plus it's Snyder's own damn fault for AGAIN making way too long a movie with an endless amount of filler plots.
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The turnaround opinion on this movie because of a bunch of extra scenes is baffling to me. The movie had much more problems than just a shoddy plot. Having Superman save a handful of people and Jena Malone play some ARGUS flunkie doesn't change that. Plus it's Snyder's own damn fault for AGAIN making way too long a movie with an endless amount of filler plots.
My opnion still stands, the extra scenes just make the movie less of a mess.
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The turnaround opinion on this movie because of a bunch of extra scenes is baffling to me. The movie had much more problems than just a shoddy plot. Having Superman save a handful of people and Jena Malone play some ARGUS flunkie doesn't change that. Plus it's Snyder's own damn fault for AGAIN making way too long a movie with an endless amount of filler plots.
That and no one told them to not make this into a straight up sequel to MOS.
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The problems of the movie ran far deeper than a few extra scenes can fix.
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My opnion still stands, the extra scenes just make the movie less of a mess.
That remains to be seen, still got a month left to go.
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That remains to be seen, still got a month left to go.
Hmm… I'd say that little summary is about enough to see how it all fits into the movie.
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My opnion still stands, the extra scenes just make the movie less of a mess.
I agree. After reading that summary of what's been added it definitely makes it less of a mess, but the mess is still there.
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I highly doubt my opinion of this movie is going to be dramatically swayed by the extended cut. I'm gonna check it out of course, but unless a tonal shift is gonna happen in it as well, I highly doubt they're gonna be able to do much more than possibly have the plot make a little more sense.
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Lot of people just couldn't wait before hating this movie. I know I'm late, the movie isn't in theater anymore but whatever.
The movie had much more problems than just a shoddy plot. Having Superman save a handful of people and Jena Malone play some ARGUS flunkie doesn't change that.
Actually, this
! In the prison scene, Lex makes it abundantly clear that he knows Batman is Bruce.
isn't just Superman beating the crap out of some villains, but it is some very important shit. The " who knows my identity" between Superman/Batman/Lex was very very fuzzy in the movie.
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I also didn't get it from the theatrical cut at all that it was actually Lex who got those people in prison with the bat mark killed, to make Batman look even worse. So yeah the ultimate cut will smooth some stuff out, but in the end the weak script will stay the same. I thankfully can still enjoy bvs same way I look past the shody transformers scripts and just have fun, but hopefully justice league will be actually great.
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The " who knows my identity" between Superman/Batman/Lex was very very fuzzy in the movie.
Not really.
Lex on Superman - "The shortest distance between any 2 points is a straight path. And I believe the swiftest path to Superman…...is a pretty little road called Lois Lane."
Lex on Batman - "Ripe fruit, his hate. 2 years growing. But it did not take much to push him over actually. Little red notes, big bang. You let your family die!"Looking back on "You should, not pick a fight with this person.", back then Lex already knew, even offered partnership to Bruce "Maybe we could, be partner on something. My R&D is up to all sorts of no good."
Plus for many the problem with the movie lies in tone and the characters not adhering to built headcanon.
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@Lef:
Looking back on "You should, not pick a fight with this person.", back then Lex already knew, even offered partnership to Bruce "Maybe we could, be partner on something. My R&D is up to all sorts of no good."
Maybe the extended version will establish that he figured out who Batman was after that scene?
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Guys, raking a few tires off the top of a garbage fire doesn't put it out. It just makes for less smoke and slightly less odor.