The first thing I did when my dad got cancer was to recall my grandpa getting cancer. I felt so much better.
No wait that's really dumb.
Chapter 588 "Sabo's Ocean" Discussion
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1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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@JERK:
ahahaha omg what a bad avatar
You are jealous.:silly:
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ahahahahaha, look at dat fukkin thing
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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@JERK:
ahahahahaha, look at dat fukkin thing
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Your previous avatar was better
Well, at least you didn't change the sign -
Sabo being alive just so that Luffy still have a brother sounds like something they would use in a Series TV Show when an actor is not gonna work anymore in the series, but they need to substitute his character with another to take his place, and they make these cheap developments, making one character die and another character suddenly and conveniently appear to take his place…
But this isn't a series TV show, if Oda just needed to make Luffy still have a brother, he could just have made Ace stay alive instead of killing him and creating another brother to take his place.
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@JERK:
ahahahahaha, look at dat fukkin thing
I think the main problem is still the name…
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Forget about Sabo, what about Bluejam's fate? Is he dead? Is he alive and plotting revenge? He never got any closure…
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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Sabo being alive just so that Luffy still have a brother sounds like something they would use in a Series TV Show when an actor is not gonna work anymore in the series, but they need to substitute his character with another to take his place, and they make these cheap developments, making one character die and another character suddenly and conveniently appear to take his place…
But this isn't a series TV show, if Oda just needed to make Luffy still have a brother, he could just have made Ace stay alive instead of killing him and creating another brother to take his place.
Go back to your TV set, I think Gilmore Girls is on.
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He got defeated, and Ace ran away from the fire that was in that area or he would've died
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@robbybedfart:
Ace backtracked to basically the start of the grand line to hunt for BB. If Sabo, who left before Ace, kept going, he would have gotten to the new world and had no real need to backtrack. Ace was made an effort to meet up with Luffy, but only because he was in the general vicinity anyway.
Of course, Ace also gained fame on Whitebeard's crew, so Sabo not meeting up with him after that is a little odd, but there's thousands of reasonable and plausible explanations for why he wouldn't, being part of the revolutionaries being an incredibly fitting one.
As for why he didn't attend the execution? May have simply been too far away. Luffy only made it with a day to spare through the love of a shichubukai, access to a special government current, and sheer fluke of timing and access. If Sabo was any further away, (like… the new world) well, making it in time would be, not only incredibly difficult, but possibly... impossible. Even if he was trying his hardest to get there.
Also, I prefer Ace's mispelled tattoo be an artist's mistake, that was far more hilarious and character building and said something about Ace's attitude. A symbolic gesture? Meh. But between the flag and the letter, its definatley being driven home, so thats probably what it is.
Considering Nojiko and Nami already had that sort of sybolism with tattoos, I don't care for it, even if its where it seems to be going.
Like the one Igaram was in that Robin blew up? Or like Going Merry when it was smashed upon the rocks?
Like when Luffy fought Crocadile? Or when Ace fought Blackbeard? Or while Jimbei was carrying Luffy away from Akainu?
Its symbolism, sure. And its suggestive of death. But its Oda-cheat style sybolism.
You don't have to show the body to the readers for a character to see it with their own eyes. Also. Silhouettes are useful for that sort of thing.
Robin not being a totally evil character possibly aided Igaram like she did Luffy but even if that isn't the case Igaram's death wouldn't have as much meaning as this death directly affecting the main character, besides how many times do you expect Oda to play the "He survived the explosion" card? So many people believe that Oda will go the cliché route just because they didn't see a body when there was nothing around to even hint that he could've survived and the citizens cleaned up the wreckage.
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Imo, Sabo is dead. The whole point of this flashback was character development and to build on the whole "World Gov. needs to die" thing. It explains why Luffy wants to be freer than anyone else and gives him a reason to keep going now that he is the only brother left. On the other hand, if Sabo is alive, I'm sure it will be very interesting, but until that happens….
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Robin not being a totally evil character possibly aided Igaram like she did Luffy but even if that isn't the case Igaram's death wouldn't have as much meaning as this death directly affecting the main character, besides how many times do you expect Oda to play the "He survived the explosion" card? So many people believe that Oda will go the cliché route just because they didn't see a body when there was nothing around to even hint that he could've survived and the citizens cleaned up the wreckage.
Not even Oda is perfect, he overused the explosion, but it wouldn't make any sense if Sabo died
Even if we don't see him by the end of the flashback, he will be back, for sure -
@ultimateclima:
Forget about Sabo, what about Bluejam's fate? Is he dead? Is he alive and plotting revenge? He never got any closure…
Wasn't he seen somewhere with a wooden leg drinking alcohol, before he was ever introduced in the flashback? Someone post that pic again, please and the corresponding chapter!
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@JERK:
The first thing I did when my dad got cancer was to recall my grandpa getting cancer. I felt so much better.
No wait that's really dumb.
This would be Luffy recalling the emotional pain that he and Ace felt after Sabo's death (like Luffy feels now) but also recalling the vow that he and Ace will make next chapter and using these memories to strengthen his resolve and not dwell on his grief. Also I told you so, even down to the Tennryuubito's involvement
.The explanation alone for Sabo surviving would have to be ridiculous.
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This flashback so isn't over.
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Go back to your TV set, I think Gilmore Girls is on.
What is with this answer?? Nothing constructive to say??
Btw, I do watch a bunch of TV series, Gilmore Girls isn't one of them though, I'm more into action and scifi, and I watch all of them in the computer, not in the TV.
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This would be Luffy recalling the emotional pain that he and Ace felt after Sabo's death (like Luffy feels now) but also recalling the vow that he and Ace will make next chapter and using these memories to strengthen his resolve and not dwell on his grief. Also I told you so, even down to the Tennryuubito's involvement
.But if that's the only thing Oda wants, wouldn't it be more effective to have the flashback before the war? And I think Sabo is useless, Oda could have achieved the same feelings without using Sabo, so unless Sabo was made for Oda to give us the emotional flashback you speak of while also giving us a reason to show Dragon, I think that's not true
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those celestial dragons are real ass wholes . they kill people without a thought . they hair is stupid and they were that bubble thing to stay pure but they're the dirtiest pieces of trash on the seas
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Go back to your TV set, I think Gilmore Girls is on.
What is with this answer?? Nothing constructive to say??
Btw, I do watch a bunch of TV series, Gilmore Girls isn't one of them though, I'm more into action and scifi, and I watch all of them in the computer, not in the TV.
You can always ignore the trolls:ninja:
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The explanation alone for Sabo surviving would have to be ridiculous.
Yes, it's really ridiculous for people to survive small boats sinking from fire and small explosions when not far off the coast.
Actually it's literally the opposite. This is a highly likely scenario for someone to survive from.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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@Cyan:
Wait, did we just see a Noble that's mildly badass?
You consider killing small kids as being badass?
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@Green:
You consider killing small kids as being badass?
Akainu also killed a lot of small kids
Are you implying Akainu isn't a badass?
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What is with this answer?? Nothing constructive to say??
Btw, I do watch a bunch of TV series, Gilmore Girls isn't one of them though, I'm more into action and scifi, and I watch all of them in the computer, not in the TV.
Your post was an extremely poor analogy banking entirely on Sabo serving as nothing more then a replacement Ace.
Which is dumb and being backed by very few people, and not the "Sabo is alive" crowd to whom you're addressing.
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damn man… luffys flashback is indeed harsh... also aces too.. also sabos too...great chapter !RIP Sabo.. for the time beeing..
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@JERK:
Your post was an extremely poor analogy banking entirely on Sabo serving as nothing more then a replacement Ace.
Which is dumb and being backed by very few people, and not the "Sabo is alive" crowd to whom you're addressing.
Still one could have just said ''í disagree''. Why the instant harsh criticism? Im not talking about u but that Tv watching post.
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@Aka:
damn man… luffys flashback is indeed harsh... also aces too.. also sabos too...great chapter !RIP Sabo.. for the time beeing..
also Dadans… also Garp... also the celestic dragon... also cpt jellybean or w/e his retarded name is...
@Furnace:
You can always ignore the trolls:ninja:
whats a troll?
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@JERK:
Yes, it's really ridiculous for people to survive small boats sinking from fire and small explosions when not far off the coast.
Actually it's literally the opposite. This is a highly likely scenario for someone to survive from.
Boat was on fire then blasted again at point blank blasting the boat to pieces and sending his hat flying and not too long after the citizens began to clean up the wreckage because Dogra had Sabo's hat, so in that time I'd love to know how he managed to not only survive but make it back to shore unnoticed while the ceremony was going on in the area and how he was unnoticed whilst they picked up the debris. Plus I would imagine that he'd atleast be gravely injured further slowing down his movements.
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Do they eat pwngoats?
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Do they eat pwngoats?
If black-bearded ogres can't, a mere troll cannot even fathom the thought.
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http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1633841&postcount=8024 Too bad that I forgot that explosions don't do the job in One Piece, amirite?
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Everyone saying that Sabo = Law; or Sabo = Kaidou; Sabo = Pwngoat; etc… Are obviously blind.
Sabo = Narrator! :ninja:
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also Dadans… also Garp... also the celestic dragon... also cpt jellybean or w/e his retarded name is...
way to go …are u capable of understanding those thinks???? really impressed...
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@ultimateclima:
Forget about Sabo, what about Bluejam's fate? Is he dead? Is he alive and plotting revenge? He never got any closure…
he lost one leg, there is a pict of him with a woden leg somewhere in some past chapter
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I actually agree with some of your statements troll buddy !
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Flashback in the Flashback ..nice.I hope Sabo is alive.I like that kid :sad:
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I don't know why anyone would think Sabo ISN'T dead.
It's a flashback- whenever those black borders come out you should already be expecting a death.
People say they don't believe it because we haven't seen Sabo's body. In case you didn't notice his ship kind of got BLOWN UP. I doubt they would ever put in JUMP a picture of a little boy's charred (possibly missing arms or legs) body floating in a pool of his own blood into the sea.
Nico Olivia, another flashback death character, is never actually shown dying. Hers is much more ambiguous- you just know that she stayed on the island (and same with saul) but people aren't constantly saying they are alive.As for people saying Sabo is too involved in the story to be dead….
He's not involved enough in the current story to be alive. Luffy specifically said when they were going to rescue ace "ACE IS MY ONLY BROTHER IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD." implying Sabo's dead (or that Luffy has memory loss).
When ace died, he told Luffy say thank you to dadan. He didn't mention Sabo.
Yes, this could mean that Luffy and Ace still think Sabo to be dead but he's actually alive but... what could Sabo really do in the current storyline that would be useful? If Luffy meets Dragon again and Sabo is a revolutionary there's "OOMGSABOYOUALIVEISOHAPPY" reunion....then what? I don't see Sabo joining the crew (if Sabo's already part of the revolutionaries. You can't say just because they're brothers they'd want to be in the same crew. Ace never joined the straw hats).
Sabo is shown to be strong then but not to have any real special powers so he has no real value to the main story.Sabo's really only important as a character if he's dead.
I personally had been expecting Sabo's death since his first appearance was just waiting for when and how. The only thing I was surprised by in this chapter was the fan response to it.
Also, we've known about ace's tattoo being for sabo since last week when we saw it on Sabo's flag. Though Ace hadn't seen the mark yet I think it was pretty clear that it was Sabo's symbol and that since Ace had the same thing tattooed on him that the two were linked. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/587/19/ oh look there's even a special panel just for the flag to put emphasis on it. How people missed this is beyond me.
Oda never said that ASCE was a spelling error gag. Fans assumed this.
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Sabo was saved by a Merman and brought to fishman island. Everyone of the Strawhats is going back to the Sabaody Archipelago, they will then go to fishman island, find Sabo and boom goes the Dynamite.
Umad?
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@Del:
Everyone saying that Sabo = Law; or Sabo = Kaidou; Sabo = Pwngoat; etc… Are obviously blind.
Sabo = Narrator! :ninja:
This is either extremely clever or a failed attempt at cynicism
I'm gonna go with the clever for 50, Bing. I like this idea. Nice twist.
However, Sabo seems to know too much about what went down. So, while it'd be an interesting twist, more likely than not, it's not Sabo.Plus, for now, my stance is that Sabo is "dead".
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Maybe Sabo is the leader of legendary Smiles? :>
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The reason people think Sabo is still alive is because we didn't see his dead body. There's a chance that he's alive. And surely he can't of died in such a boring way (killed by a fucking cannon shot by a Celestial Dragon).
Sabo keeps getting more and more likeable. Those that say he's definately dead have to understand that until we see his dead body, or other proof that he is dead, then there's a chance he survived the blast. How he survived and what happened to him after is the biggest mystery, assuming he's still alive. I'm still unsure whether I think he died or not.
I bet Dragon is still nearby and Sabo ends up in his hands again. It would be more meaningful to have Sabo live if he plays a big role in the Government actually being taken down physically (after or just before Luffy become PK).
So Ace used Akainu's insults to Whitebeard as an excuse to help Luffy escape?
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@JERK:
Your post was an extremely poor analogy banking entirely on Sabo serving as nothing more then a replacement Ace.
Which is dumb and being backed by very few people, and not the "Sabo is alive" crowd to whom you're addressing.
For what we have seen this character was created to die, and to show that his death strengthened the bond between Luffy and Ace, forged some of the characteristics of their personalities, and made them stronger.
On a plot developing point of view he being shown alive now would mainly serve as a replacement of the sibling character that was represented by Ace, this is a fact, lets not forget that this is a story about Luffy and his adventures, the other reasons (being a revolutionary, or fighting agains the nobles around world, etc) would just be additives to make him a character complete, having his own objectives and personality.
If I write something wrong, excuse my english….
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So Ace used Akainu's insults to Whitebeard as an excuse to help Luffy escape?
nope, he simply did that because Akainu insulted his most beloved one, exactly like what Roger used to do back then when someone talks badly about his friends, read page 14.
this flashback will add more and more points of respect for Ace.
and Luffy was so damn cute playing with beetles:wub:
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@Das:
The execution was announced one week in advance and Marinford is pretty near the end of the first half. So Sabo would have to sail the whole first half to reach marineford.
And I said in my previous post that this was just speculation. And Sabo being the guy from the cover-story was speculated before. Of course it could be some random Revolutionary and Sabo is dead but it is possible that Sabo is alive. He just didn't have the "satisfaction" other FB-Characters like Hiluluk or Saul had. until there is confirmation everything is speculation.EDIT: I'm not claiming the absolute truth here. I'm just overthinking a few possibilities.
Maybe you're confusing what I'm saying. I never suggested that Sabo went to Marineford, or anything at all like that. The only thing I suggested is that he's dead.
I'm going with Sabo being dead (like freedom) until further evidence supports (and I mean actually supports) the contrary.
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Sabo's acted as a third wheel to the Ace and Luffy brotherhood and a bit of fuel to Dragon's fire (which had already been lit), but that's it. If he is dead then his character was completely pointless. The story would have advanced all the same without him.
So either Oda's dabbling in some terrible writing or Sabo is really alive.
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Sabo's acted as a third wheel to the Ace and Luffy brotherhood and a bit of fuel to Dragon's fire (which had already been lit), but that's it. If he is dead then his character was completely pointless. The story would have advanced all the same without him.
So either Oda's dabbling in some terrible writing or Sabo is really alive.
Maybe it would have advanced the same, but it offers more characterization to Luffy, the protagonist, which may lead to other things in the story, no?
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Sabo is alive!!!!!!!
ALIVE I TELL YOU!!!!!!!!
Great chapter by the way.
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