@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Something you completely made up. At what point was this provided by Oda?
When he drew the two things himself; once again, this is about whether or not it acts as a constant…
I don't complain about how other ppl post unless it's completely unreadable. You're just a hypocrite. You complain about what I call you and turn around to do the same in the very same post. You do it in this post as well. A hypocrite of your level can't play the victim.
Do I deny the HYPOCRITE stuff? No.
Of course, I can do whatever I wish even if it was as you say…
The ship exists.The ship does NOT act as a constant in the way you say it does.
Prove that it doesn't act as a constant, when the emphasis was arguable to be classified as exactly that. Dream ship says some dramatic stuff, no?
When it comes to what you're talking about the ship is a variable until you provide the measurements and dimensions for it.
It isn't like we need to know that when you can noticeably see the differences, for instance the size comparison of Jinbei and the ship..?
If you can see it without any problem, why must you even need the measurements? After all, this is what you consider true common sense: "object A is bigger than object B because it is…"
You seem to not be reading my posts and are just stuck in to responses you think you're reading. Doors do not even to be widened (not fixed). Simply alter the entire proportion of the ship or that specific area in Oda's art.
Come on, this ought to be obvious on its own: Jinbei's comparison to Luffy and Luffy's pictures of how he walked around the ship; his comparison to other characters; etc. Do you need to actually have this spoonfed to you?
Again: "character A is bigger than character B, which is a certain height and it doesn't seem like a certain number of "character B" could fit through door A… solution is that door A needs to be expanded to fit character A."
Even if Oda took the route of having Franky make alteration it doesn't need to cause the problems you think it will.
Of course, it's obviously over-the-top. Nonetheless, the potential to have that happen isn't "zero" because this is a common sense situation again; it'll happen if it needs to.
If Oda avoids addressing such an obvious flaw, then why does he consider himself a "professional" if he cannot even understand the dimensions of his own drawings? Is he a retard? I mean, I'm not an artist or anything, but that'd be pretty pathetic to just forget two different things.
No it isn't.No there isn't.
No he hasn't.
Yes, the answer is yes to all of these.
The ship isn't a constant. The proportions can be changed by Oda and he does't even need to take the route of having Franky address it.
That's a stupid idea, "Oda change the ship somehow!!"
It just doesn't even come off as "professional" in any sense, just laziness. Yes, the ship is a constant.
The things which you consider pathetic are meaningless so you saying it can't happen for w/e reason you don't like doesn't matter.
Do you even think that it is acceptable to alter the entire ship and magically make it like you assume?
Has nothig to do at all with Oda's writing style, him planning ahead, or how he's structured the story and the characters in it.
It does… If it doesn't, prove it.
Oda's smart enough not to care and just change them.
You mean, he isn't smart enough to pay attention to details and fuck up whatever he originally made because he can't fit it into his work?
So you don't read the manga? He's done it with the shichibukai, and other tall or large characters and Nami.
Ha ha ha… Prove it. Show the reference you speak of.
So you're not even reading your own posts? Several times in that quote you said Jinbei was bigger than the ship.
No, you misread it… I'm not being specific as to what I mean by it... I feel I don't need to do all that specification nonsense since we've been debating over this topic already. Grasp what the conversation is talking about...
So you have one half of the equation. This is why this is meaningless. It's not worth briging up. It's not whether Jinbei can fit in a barrell it's whether or not he can fit on and in the ship.
It is worth the discussion that Oda did this all intentionally to implement a constant to be used in the future; or is this stupid to you?
I've stated this several times already, the question and argument is about whether or not Oda created a constant and it is to limit future characters, not if Oda can fix the ship to fit any character– we know he can, but we don't know if he did it all purposely...
The door can change just like the size of aything else on the ship.
No. This has nothing to do with it; however, since you seem to suggest a "can" change, the idea that it needs to change is impressive… Does it need to change, and if so it would mean that there's a potential for Oda to have created a constant-- finally we may start a debate.
By the way, I'm trying to lead you here... Follow, please.
No he's not.
Dull…
Far to unimportant for me to bother to take this seriously let alone to attempt to think like you especially if you call that rational thought. You have no measurements of the ship.
It doesn't matter… The SHIP is a fixed craft created, no? It was already made by the writer and illustrator, therefore, it acts as a constant regardless. The question is whether or not it is in fact a constant, not about solutions. YOU cannot change a constant by law.
I'm tired of you playing denial. If you wanna act like you didn't w/e.
Once again, I didn't state it. Do you really have a lack of reasoning when it comes to this?
Unfortunately that doesn't matter.
No.
again, why make these distinctions when the post were made by you?
Does matter.
Yes.
Because I know what I said, and there's differences…
So now you never had a link in your post to your perona theory? LMAO.
Which is the one you wish to talk about; neither of them are unreasonable…
They are the following:
Perona Theories
Perona Information!!
Perona's Temporary Voyage!!
Coming from you the word doesn't have the same connotation.
Alright… Read as you wish.
So you indirectly calling Oda a dumbass? It's not my fault you went on and on about that being foreshadowing that she would join.
Once again, no. You are just mistaken beyond possibility. In other words, you clearly do not understand me.
Proportions that can be changed.
Obviously, that's not what I'm talking about…
So this is you predicting what Oda will do again? Then I don't need to respond to this again.
Hmmm? No, I'd label it more as "common sense" than anything else.
Thought those were words of a dumbass?
Go back in time and find those…
Something you just made up and have no way of proving is actually what Oda is doing.
It is rather obvious, and self-explanatory… However, it must be my mistake or something since you don't seem to understand what the conversation is about...
No reason to take heed of what you think Oda won't do especially if the consequence is you seeing him as a dumbass.
No. They won't.
Funny.
Yes, they will.
The minor alterations that you've been saying Oda's been foreshadowing it since he's brought her back in to a sub plot of the story.
The real "argument" is not impotant it isn't a constant.
There are various parts to it.
It is a constant.
Yeah a pretty boring prediction void of all the variable Oda constantly uses. I'll pass.
Once again, name those or shut up.
]quote]Robin joined before he used her for a future arc and already had a connection to the poneglyphs and ancient weapons before she joined.
Sure, but you didn't see the connection she had to any of those.
Perona has nothing tying her to the NW that would cause a whole arc to revolve around it.
Prove it, show us what you know of unknown information…
Wishful thinking.
Speculation…
I don't see how you could be so stupid to think Oda would let that happen. This is what makes you a dumbass.
Incredible…
I read and didn't sense any playfulness but if you want to use that an excuse go ahead nobody's really buying it though.
Do as you wish.
@tigerlilly:
I know it's a fictional story, so of course everything is possible if the author wants it to happen. But we're reading the story for, what, a couple of years now, and so should know how Oda handles his stuff. And that there are things that are just out of the possible to happen since they equal really really shitty writing. Which is not like Oda at all.
Since this is about the Ace being revived stuff, the idea that I think it will happen is practically invisible. What I mean is that I really don't expect it to happen, but if it did then I would understand. Would it have been a mistake? Unknown at this stage in time and will only be important in the future.
If Oda introduces some "event" that allows Ace to survive, then it ought to stand as a future plot development which will change everything in the future– something that is extremely important. Oda has done this sort of "resurrection" routinely, however, for less-important minor characters. Fodder A gets slashed hard, etc... They live at the end. Skypiea is a prime example of this.
So, you cannot really claim that Oda will automatically leave Ace dead; it's difficult to consider. If Oda wishes to have Ace alive in the future, again, then he could easily fit in anything he wants during the massive two week time skip and so on. It's something he can "bluff" and joke around with, or a popular term to describe it would probably be "troll."
Ace being revived, after everything that happened up to this point, would be really shitty writing. Nothing has been foreshadowed to explain a revival at this oint.
It depends on how you look at the context, and what may happen… You could theoretically make a claim that there are various examples of foreshadowing towards that conclusion, and there are speculations that could arise from the lack of definite detail after we were removed from Marineford. To be honest, the message that it would leave to the story and what could come of reviving him leads to an unlimited potential-- we cannot judge his writing until we see it. If Oda has something incredible in store for this event to coincide with, then when that secondary event comes, we'll be pleased and forget about the death in the same sort of way that we treated the Bentham sacrifice one.
Really, it is completely up to the writer whether or not he wants it to happen. What we are aware of is that Ace is given to Shanks, and then it blacks out-- was there a funeral, or was there something else?
Oda can do as he pleases during the two weeks, it is entirely his choice to decide if he wishes to save Ace, because of some lame excuse which I don't want to come up with-- fill it in if you like-- or if he wants to provide closure and give him a funeral off-panel. Regardless of the outcome, until we are provided the answer, we can conclude anything in theory and the curious case of Portgas D. Ace is that we've never seen the end result that would confirm Ace as completely dead, there's a magical blanket that covers him during the last time that we saw him-- whether this is supposed to act as a sign or not, we don't know.
I really wouldn't be surprised if Oda revived Ace, nor would I be angry with it-- I would just expect Oda to make full use of this revival, not waste it.
And you just seemed to mention this theory for the sake of mentioning it.
On this site, some user just asked about it and I nonchalantly replied to their demands, and gave the link. OMF, however, I created a thread to even consider it as a possibility.
I don't care about it that much on this site, due to various skeptics that would needlessly ruin the point.
If you want to talk about the idea, I'm here ready to debate it… However, the idea isn't really much since we don't know what future Oda is planning, nor do we know what point these flashbacks happen to give, storywise.
@Sammsy:
no its like saying there are toilets in one piece world.
Oda confirmed toilets in the OP world… However, I haven't seen this unique and specific BABY BIRD that you mentioned... Where is that bird that does what you say he does, all of a sudden?
Note: toilets were mentioned in the SBS, on the TS blueprint and possibly shown when Nami was in the TS shower. I think on TB also, can't remember though... I really wasn't paying attention to the whereabouts of toilets during the TB part.
just cause we don't see a toilet or a baby bird doesn't mean they don't exist. how did they big giant birds come to be?
We see toilets. However, I don't see this specific baby bird that you speak of– I'm not arguing over whether or not the group exists, just whether or not that specific one exists.